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MaxInDHouse:
If i'm doing my business and i know there's nothing to hide as it's legit whoever accuses me of fraud is killing himself because i will continue to turn everything into a joke.

Jesus said:

"I say to you: Do not resist the one who is wicked, but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other also to him" Matthew 5:39

So as you've known me on this forum i don't go about accusing anyone to counter their accusations i just crack jokes with whatever they say that's untrue.

Do you now see why i don't bother responding to trolls when you're calling me to respond after telling you their accusations are false?

I don't think you would continue to joke when the false accuser keeps up the tempo and refuses to relent in spite of your jokes.

I have not seen you joking with anyone here. Bring examples.

I have apologized to him. So, rest the matter.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted shows the type of person you are!

Calling his false accusation a LIE but when you also falsely accuse him you called it TROLL.

Why not call both TROLL or LIE?

Your response shows the type of person you are! Undermining my right to personal defence.

Tell me what you'll do if it happens to you? Let's hear from you!

MaxInDHouse:
You claimed the guy LIED against you making him a LIAR so you too LIED against him in return making you too a LIA....... right ?

Let me teach you wisdom. The Bible says a good name is better than riches. The guy lied and I trolled him for his lies, does that make me a liar?

I'm sure you're not a wise man, so I'll teach you some wisdom using an experience I had as a youth.

Many years ago while I was still a young chap. I visited a shop owner whom I owed some money which passed the promised repayment date. I apologized and gave her a new repayment date. I then gently told her that I didn't like the fact that he told people that I was owing her when she knew I have never owed her except on that occasion. She got angry and started abusing me. I told her that I can't join her in such nonsense exchange of words. As I was leaving, she started shouting 'Ole!!!!' at me. People came out thinking there was a real thief to lynch. I saw people coming out with dangerous things. I immediately started shouting 'Ole!!!' at her too. We both were shouting at each other. The people became confused and then understood that it was a passing disagreement between the two of us. That saved my life that day. It was just the wisdom of God. If it were to be you who found yourself in such a situation, only God can tell what your state would have been today.

You conveniently left the false accuser to attack someone who was defending his name. Hypocrite.

MaxInDHouse:
I don't know him and i don't care to know him but my concern is you who has been following my thread claiming you're a child of God.

Back to the question:

Are you saying he lied against you and that's why you also turned to a lie?

Go back and read my previous responses.

Kaido:
Guys, I couldn't find the page but check this out

https://x.com/ScienceGuys_/status/1805620714940285358

Albreezy4eva

Thank you.

MaxInDHouse:
You mean by saying:



You're just TROLLING shey?

If he didn't first say it, would I have had any reason to defend myself?

If a murderer points a gun at you and you point a gun at the murderer to deter him, does that make you a murderer? Do you really have a sense of justice to have been asking me these questions even when you're aware I apologized to him?

Kobojunkie:
I had to skip through much of the hogwash to get to the koko which is that Jesus Christ, for you, is a name behind which you hide your particular ideas and nothing more.

That best describes you. Again, what does the word 'Sign' mean? What signs did Jesus say would follow believers?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you saying your Jesus will approve lying if someone lied against you so you too should lie against the liar?





So you LIED against him too making both of you LIARS, right?

Anyone who takes obvious trolling as a serious conversation really needs help. Converting the conversation to a trolling conversation with all the evidences of trolling written all over the threads does not make me a liar.

AntiChristian:
It does. What sort of a Preacher preached for people to come back to ask him later to expatiate for them to understand. It just shows how inefficient Jesus's preaching was. The best teachers will teach the dullest student in class to grab what he teachers in the least time possible!

If your aim as a teacher is to teach for people to come back and ask you later for the explanation of your teachings then you are not fit to be called a teacher! Using that name is even deceitful!

If a teacher teaches you to stimulate your mind info deeper research, that's deception?

Where did Jesus mention them as unserious there? The Canaanite woman came asking for a sign did Jesus answer her immediately? I thinks she was unserious too!

Who told you Jesus called people unserious because they asked for signs. That's your own logic, not mine. I corrected you by telling you that the generation was an unserious generation as described by many languages Christ used to describe them.

Yes, that's why they try to stone him when they don't misunderstood what he was preaching!

False. The reasons why they wanted to stone Him are in the Bible.

Jesus never gave this your explanations! Where can we find it? A teacher is not partial to his students. He is meant to teach effectively and efficiently! As a teacher you don't use a language people won't understand for sometime and later stop using it.

The crowds were not His students okay? Only the disciples were.

You use an understandable language all the time except you are an English teacher teaching idioms!

Yes, when you're teaching your own students who have subscribed to your teaching.

jaephoenix:
Are you also aware Muslims and other religions have testimonies like these? That means their gods are legit too. And if theirs is legit, yours is fake cos there could be only one god

My God has proven Himself in divers ways. You see, the Egyptian Magicians too performed miracles but the rod of Moses swallowed up theirs when they were turned to serpents, and infact their so called miracles have limits.

See, they have their rocks but they themselves know that their rock is not like our ROCK.

Deuteronomy 32:31
"For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges."

What we do by simply issuing commands in the name of Jesus, they do by engaging themselves in lengthy incantations and rituals after spending days gathering fetish materials for a miracle that never lasts.

johnw47:
it's amazing how Talktalk2022 scams people and then accuses them of scamming
he has accused many on these forums of scamming

No bro. He didn't scam me. He falsely accused me of being a scammer on a thread I created. I had to caution him but he insisted. So, I counter-accused him too. That what was happened. The matter has been resolved as I have recently apologized to him as a Christian. Maxindhouse knows we have settled the matter but he brought it out to because he thinks by doing so, he would stop me from further commenting on this thread.

MaxInDHouse:
Please did this guy truly as in TRULY defrauded you of ₦200,00.00?



Please answer so i can have a very high regard for you and whatever you think, say or do on this forum.

May you have PEACE!

I don't want to go into matters that are already dead.

But before you asked me this question, did you first ask the guy if I scammed him before he accused me? If you never asked him that question, carry your hypocrisy away. He was the first to make a false claim, and after explaining to him, he refused to correct himself, I had to accuse him in return so that people who read our conversations would know it is a troll and not a real accusation. If I didn't accuse him in return, his accusations would be a false tag on my personality. Wisdom demands that I convert his false accusations into a trolling conversation. Otherwise I would be called what I'm not.

DeusXmachina:
Didn't really say placebo cures diseases, I only gave an example with the alleviation of symptoms such as headaches to demonstrate some of the effects of believing something and feeling of wellness. However I did primarily say general optimism does have positive effects on health outcomes. I made these points to demonstrate that I think a person can genuinely report feeling better after something like prayer, but I attribute these to the mind.

Again tho these are your claims, understand that I have no personal reason to believe you and you're evidently not an unbiased observer giving me a retelling.

It's at least good the child is doing alright.
I wouldn't blame a mother for not having documentation as she wouldn't be involved in a debate of proving the power of prayer here because that would be strange, and rather she'd just be more worried about her kid and doing what she believes is right for the child. Neither would I really blame you if it was a spur of the moment thing and you genuinely believe you're helping people by it.

However discussing anecdotes of the supernatural's existence and effects such as healing untreated illness can only go so far, what is needed is hard verifiable data, not stories. Let's not forget about the existence of actual con men that stage things and lie for attention or profit.

Like wouldn't it be awesome if someone was medically diagnosed with brain cancer, and we had that verifiable documentation, and the person went to church and had prayer, only to go back to a hospital and get checked again and we find the cancer gone with no medical treatment and we also have verifiable documentation of that also for example?
It wouldn't be complete proof for specific claims as there are some unaccounted variables, but it would be a genuine start to changing a skeptical mind. At least it would make me reexamine my current beliefs.

I do not expect you to believe me and I do not think you should expect me to believe you either. You cannot say categorically that all healings are a product of some alterations in the mind. I have given you a reason to research deeper into your current beliefs. All those who come for healings have doctors reports regarding their ailments. Pastors don't ask for such reports before laying hands on people. This is the reason why people like you could doubt such healings until you have a personal experience.

Kobojunkie:
1. I am glad you and I know how ridiculous your untimely death idea is since you are unable to offer specifics to define it. Consider the case of a 98-year-old who was murdered by his nurse. Was his case an untimely death or a natural death?

Go and rest. If you don't understand what untimely death is, ask elders around. Stop disturbing me on this. Whatsoever God does is forever. Why are you fixated on death as if it's only dead men that are raised? Are you afraid of death?

2. That is a dumbass implication in this case similar to the one you made earlier regarding what was stated in Ecclesiastes 3 vs 14. Please quit your mindless babbling at this point. YHWH is All-Powerful because He created all things in Heaven and on Earth. The rod does not have YHWH's power in it but YHWH has power over it because He created it. Again, pay careful attention to the order of things.

God has power over all things, and all powers including what other beings wield are His. He is Almighty because He is the source of all powers that exist. All those who are might were made mighty by Him. And they'll give account unto Him at the end of time regarding the power He has bestowed Upon them.

[quote[3. Stop deceiving yourself! The same Jesus Christ equally said the following in His Gospels.
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If you have ever in fact read the book for yourself, you would know this but I guess it is merely ok to create these threads that are pretty much timewasters than spend time actually reading through to get a good grasp of what is in fact written of God, right?

These signs shall follow them.... was never intended by Jesus Christ who equally said the following.... ...as a benchmark for determining those who belong to Him. You asserting, against Jesus Christ, that it serves as proof that you do not accept Jesus Christ at all. [/quote]Keep deceiving yourself. It was Jesus that tod us the SIGNS that identifies Believers. Do you know what the word 'Signs' mean?

DeusXmachina:
All I have are your claims to go off of which don't mean much to me.
Do you have medical documentation of before and after you prayed for the kid?

Placebo effect, and the impact of Mood & Optimism on health recovery are well documented.
People with headaches have been given sugar pills and told they were painkillers, and have had those symptoms go away.
And people who've had surgery, and had a positive outlook and positive support wether it was blind optimism, or a belief that their god will not let them down, have been shown to have quicker recovery over someone that's negative.
The mind has a substantial impact on the body and health, though not enough to heal an untreated disease, the immune system can't normally fight off like cancer or a parasite.
So I don't doubt a person could genuinely report feeling better after prayer, or some type of religious services.

I can't verify your story, but if true I hope the woman still got her child checked and he's doing better.

Come meet me live on the field and you'll see something. Would I be asking for doctor's report before praying for needy people? Jesus heals. I have never heard of any occasion where placebo effect healed anybody of elephantiasis.

Of course, till I left Ilorin in about 5 years later, the boy had a normal leg and was able to mix well with fellow kids. Meanwhile before I prayed for him, the mother was always backing him and wrapping his leg under clothes so it would not be seen. I prayed for him when he was about 3 or 4 years old. I didn't ask his age.

Kobojunkie:
1. Stop lying! 🤔

I've heard it many times from liars! I asked you questions and quoted scriptures, what was the lie?

Even people who lose their loved ones at age 70 equally complain of them going too early. So, be specific! There are cases where autopsies of deaths of people in their 70s/80s have shown that some were murdered or died of sickness and diseases even then. So this wooroo-wooroo no fly! Define your idea of untimely death so we are on the same page here. And where in Scripture did God of Israel or Jesus Christ specify that when a person is raised from death 🤔

I'm not defining untimely death to an adult. If you're a kid, I'll understand.

[quote[2. It is amazing that one who claims to believe in the God of Israel — YHWH — is asking me this question. YHWH is written as the one who created all things, and it is indicated He is sovereign over all of His creation, His omnipotence— All-Powerfulness—is implied as a result. Regarding scripture, YHWH is said to be All-Powerful because He wields power and control over all He created. Now, tell me, what was not created by YHWH that has power besides that which is YHWH? 🤔[/quote]So by implication, Yahweh created the rod of Moses for Moses?

3. I doubt you understand the meaning of the verse you quote or even He whose power you compare it to. Jesus Christ was not there telling His followers that the power He bestowed on them made them equal to YHWH so I am quite shocked that you would quote such as an explanation for God's All-powerfulness. 🤔

Kobojunkie, leave all the mindless babblings.

Jesus said we'll tread over all the 'power' of the enemies. God gave power in measures to all his creations including human beings.

Back to what I said earlier, Jesus Christ made clear even Judas was bestowed with the power to do signs and wonders, but Judas did not belong to Jesus Christ as he belonged instead to the devil; this much is quite clear. So to continue using signs and wonders as the yardstick for deciding who belongs to Jesus Christ and who doesn't belong to Jesus Christ proves you know nothing of Jesus Christ or the Father, YHWH, God of Israel.

Signs and wonders prove that God is real. That's why Jesus said "Jesus therefore said to him, “Unless you see signs and wonders, you will in no way believe.” John 4:18.

Then he said: "These signs shall follow them that believe..."

achorladey:
That's why we do tell them that when they see apostasy they won't know it because it must be unity at all cost irrespective of the apostasy

Where unity is more important than Truth, apostasy becomes the order of the day.

What do they even mean by the term New Light? Do the Old and New lights come from the same Bible?

Emusan:
That is why they have to coin the word NEW LIGHT"

another thing is, you will see them saying multiple time Holy spirit this, Holy spirit that... and the same time, trying to claim THEY WERE NOT INSPIRED!

Holy spirit as made this verse known...

How?

Did you hear a voice? No!
Did you see it in vision? No!
Did you see it through dream? No!
Did Holy spirit appear in any form to do that? No!

So, how did Holy spirit reveal the meaning of this verse then?

Just like their 1914.

"Jesus came to earth in 1914 inspect ALL THE RELIGIONS ON EARTH but couldn't found any but only small group of Bible study students.

Q. Who was with Jesus when Jesus was inspecting all the religions?
A. Nobody!

Q. How did watchtower know that then?
A. I'm very sure Jesus did.

Q. Did Jesus tell Watchtower by Himself?
A. No!

Q. Did Jesus reveal it to Watchtower through dream?
A. No!

Q. Did Jesus reveal it to Watchtower through vision?
A. No!

So, how did Watchtower know that?
Ans: we just know Jesus did.

Chai!

This is too hilarious.

"We just know Jesus did."

Hmmmmmm.

Emusan:
The best weapon against Watchtower it's her own publications.

Bring different publications from Watchtower together, you will the glaring contradictions, manipulations and twisting of God's word.

After reading diverse publications from them on this forum in recent times, I started having the organization in a very low esteem.

achorladey:
Their own definition of being faithful and discreet they cannot follow and yet want others to follow them.


Their religious leaders look at their subjects and just hammer it down. Obey us with no questions asked even when what we tell you are lies. Obey at all cost to maintain unity.

@The bolded, I can't stop laughing.

Unity is more important than Truth.

AntiChristian:
Where did i say or insinuate this? Jesus did encode his teachings in parables and decided to explain to his disciples who asked of the meanings later! All those he had taught who didn't understand and where not able to ask will be doomed as Jesus wanted! See the bolded and red colored verses below.

Mark 4:10-12
When he was alone, the Twelve and the others around him asked him about the parables. He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables so that," 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving, and ever hearing but never understanding; otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'

How does that translate to deception? The things of God are revealed only to those who search for it like the disciples did. A thirst and a hunger for God is all you need to receive the things of God. If you do not desire God, God would not force His knowledge upon you.

This is illogical and doesn't fit into the discuss. No one paid Jesus to teach anybody!
A teacher is to teach while he receives payment for his services!

Quiet the same! Whether a paid or unpaid teacher, once the student does not understand, it means the teacher deceived him? I fully remember that in my school days, sometimes our teachers deliberately leave a lot of puzzles to us unsolved because they want us to research deeply and find answers by ourselves. Does that mean they were deceiving us?

He didn't call all his audience such! Jesus abused some of his audience because some asked for signs! It wasn't because of unseriousness! They asked for signs and he refused to give them. Others asked for miracles and he gave them without even preaching anything!

Was it because they asked for signs or because of the character of those who asked for signs? He said "a perverse and adulterous generation a sign but no sign would be given to them but the sign of Jonah..." That is an unserious generation who hears the word for fun only but never apply their hearts to it.

Deception is the act of causing someone to accept as true or valid what is false or invalid! Whenever Jesus Preached people do not understand him and they usually understood opposite of what he preached! And this is because he uses parables.

So, by using parables He presented He presented falsehood to them?

And Jesus said a time will come he will stop using such parables again!

That was for the disciples who were seekers. Not for those who never sought after the knowledge of God. The purpose of parables is to build curiosity in the mind of the hearer so that he'll search out diligently for knowledge and find it. By this, the seekers find, while the unserious are filtered out.

achorladey:


cc: Emusan, Oteneaaron, Courz, FxMasterz

To see how they love to project their failures and failings on others is captured below....



What does the premature ideas and eager questions asked by the tourist have to do with an experienced guide in a zoo guiding the tourist to having a safe and enjoyable tour?

Someone is now saying Jesus began ruling in 1914 and that last day began in 1914



They do things without the guidance of holy spirit and what they call truth during those times are not the truth since the holy spirit didn't guide them into it.

Jesus clearly told the disciples when they were asking Him questions regarding the timing of His Kingdom:

Acts 1:7
"He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority"

Questions:

1. Who gave the authority to the so called 'tourists' (Governing body) to manufacture their own ideas and announce same as that of the Holy Spirit to the whole world?

2. How can the so called tourists who failed many times in prophecies regarding the coming of Christ be accurate about the 'Christ started ruling in 1914' nonsense?

3. Can those who cannot be trusted for the fulfillment of earthly events be trusted for heavenly events?

4. If their earthly calculations about the return of Christ has failed woefully several times, what is the guarantee that their earthly calculations that 'Christ's ruling in heaven starting in 1914' is not a failure too?

5. Would it be wrong to assert that if Christ's coming was not physically verifiable, these people would have maintained that the rapture has indeed taken place, the same way they're arrogantly shouting that Jesus started ruling in 1914 in heaven which is not verifiable?

achorladey:
Compare and contrast how they speak from both side of their mouth highlighted in the bold.





With





Emphasis on the bold part.

cc: Emusan, FxMasterz, Oteneaaron, Courz

Hahaha.

...although God’s people (aka Governing Body) sometimes try to work out details of Jehovah’s purpose before it is time for the holy spirit to guide them to such truths, it is clear that Jesus is leading them.

"They do try to work out details before the Holy Spirit guides them, yet it is clear that Jesus is leading them." Chai!

TenQ:
Thank God you now acknowledge that you'd be in the fire before Allah would remove them at a later time?
And
What matters to me is that Allah says that his slaves will enter the Fire with the evildoers!


1. Why would Allah's slaves first need to enter the fire?
2. Since the time you will spend in the fire is undetermined (10 years, 10 thousand years, 10 million years etc): doesn't it concern you that the Best of the Deceivers is just tricking you into the eternal fire?
3. Finally, why do you think Allah will use Jews and Christians as a ransom for you Muslims from hell fire?

How can any sane human being believe these loads of trash?

These promises have scam written all over them.

AntiChristian:
Don't try to cover it up. Jesus was talking to everyone with parables! Not everyone he was talking to were unserious! Nowhere in the Bible does it state that everyone he was talking to was unserious!

The logic is not applicable to me! I paid to be taught by the teacher! And that's a contract to serve!

John 16:25
"Though I have been speaking figuratively (paroimia), a time is coming when I will no longer use this kind of language but will tell you plainly about my Father.

Where did you see your unserious audience? Jesus was speaking like that and he said he will stop it at a later time. It doesn't depend on the audience!

1. So, a person does not have the right to communicate to his audience the way he choses?

2. Because you paid to be taught by the teacher, whenever you don't understand what he teaches, he has deceived you?

3. Jesus described His audience in many languages such as 'generation of vipers', 'perverse generation', etc., which shows they were not serious. Many times they even attempted to trap Him. If He talks to them in parables, is that deception?

4. Show me any dictionary where it is said that speaking in parables is deception! Do it fast!

Kobojunkie:
Again, First of all, which one is not an untimely death? Death at age 70? Age 80? Age 90? Age 100? Age 120? Which? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Again every human being knows it when someone dies young.

2. Ah! So, born-agains are not people who have left this life and have been imbued instead with Eternal Life as Jesus Christ said?

Tell me what makes you think this awkwardly.

3. Please answer the question. Third and most important of all, where in Scripture is it written that if one is raised from the dead, one will not die this untimely death?😶😶😶😶🤐🤐🤐

Answer the question, where did you and I start being specific only the raising of the dead is what God does forever.

4. So, God's statement which is that "All Power belongs to Him" is warped logic? Why not simply come out and say you don't believe in the God of Israel and Jesus Christ then? Why pretend you do when all you claim contradicts almost every one of His many claims? 🤔

When did God say that no one else has any power except Himself?

Jesus said: Luke 10:19

"Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over [b]all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you."

And how in the world did you twist the term Almighty into meaning that there are mighties but God is mightiest among them all? 🤔

If you don't understand what God's Almighty power means, see Luke 10:19 for clarity.

jaephoenix:
Telescopes, Gene analyzers, Mass spectrometers etc, for starters

When did you and I discuss those instructions?

jaephoenix:
Please which instrument did you use to check for Loch Ness, Big Foot etc?

Which instrument did you advertise to me?

jaephoenix:
Neither did you answer all of mine

That's a lie. There's none of your questions I didn't answer. Name the question.

Kobojunkie:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

First of all which one is not an untimely death? Death at age 70? Age 80? Age 90? Age 100? Age 120?[/size] Which? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Every human being knows it when a person has died young. I wouldn't bother to answer you.

Second, recall that Jesus Christ said all those who become born-again are essentially given a brand new life— an eternal one as opposed to a temporal one. Does this mean that all those among his disciples who died to the temporary life and were raised in the new with Him yet died early were not born again? Stephen, James, etc., were not born-again?

The question is unnecessary because we're not talking about being born again or the things that happen to born again people.

Third and most important of all, where in Scripture is it written that if one is raised from the dead, one will not die this untimely death?😶😶😶😶🤐🤐🤐

Did you read that verse that says "Whatsoever God does is forever?" Why are you particular about death of all things that God does for man? Are you afraid of death?

2. Interesting ideas! You believe that apart from God there are other powers out there meaning that when God declared that all Powers belong to Him — they all go through Him essentially — God fibbed? 🤐🤐🤐

This is actually warped logic. Is God not Almighty? If God is Almighty, then it means there are 'mighties' but only God is Almighty.

Kobojunkie:
So, you are saying that Jesus Christ fibbed when He instead said, right there in that passage, that He never knew these workers of iniquity?

If working miracles is iniquity, do you mean Jesus was working iniquity all the while He worked miracles?

Kobojunkie:
Again, Judas was able to heal the sick and cast out demons as well. Now if you go back to what Jesus Christ said in Matthew 7, you will see that indeed it does not matter how many miracles and signs of wonders a person does at all, these were never meant as proof of Jesus Christ just as Jesus Christ Himself said. But here you are showcasing these very same as proof and evidence for Jesus Christ. Clearly, you don't know Jesus Christ since what you assert is opposite of what He in fact taught His followers.

When you work miracles in Christ's name and He does it, that's the proof that Christ is real. The person who called on Christ may fail in his persona walk with God as Judas did. That does not mean God didn't work through him.