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oteneaaron:
Very true.

Jehovah's Witnesses are PATHOLOGICAL LIARS.

The doctrine of 1914 was initially an "end of the world" prophecy by Charles Taze Russell.

It was after the prophecy failed that they made a quick switch to begin calling it "the start of the last days".

Here are some evidences from their own publications to prove this -

"But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

"In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished by the end of A.D. 1914." Studies in the Scriptures - The Time is at Hand (1889) 1911 ed. p.99

"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October, 1914. [/b]It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874. ... [b]The Scriptures show also that the battle of the great day will begin with the church of God, and that the overthrow of the great nominal church systems will precede the overthrow of the present civil powers; for the Lord is about to shake, not only the earth (the civil organisation for society), but heaven (the ecclesiastical powers) also (Heb. 12:26), to the end that great "Babylon," falsely called Christendom -Christ's kingdom- may be completely destroyed. " Zion's Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 pp.21-23

It is no surprise that MaxInDHouse and his cohorts are known for shamelessly spreading LIES - it is a trait they all share from the Governing Body down to the rank and file JW.

Back then when I was a member of this religion and decided to do my research into the history of the religion, was when I learnt about many of their FAILED PROPHECIES.

Deuteronomy 18 VS 21 & 22 was what gave me the boldness to stand strong and reject this religion, their Governing Body and their endless LIES -

"And if you say in your heart, `How may we know the word which the LORD has not spoken?'

When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously, you need not be afraid of him." - RSV

There is no need to be afraid of the Governing Body nor to be afraid of been shunned for rejecting their false prophecies and endless LIES.

CC: Emusan, Courz, FxMasterz, Wumiwumi100, JohnW47

For more context on their failed prophecies of 1914, see this article - https://jwfacts(dot) com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

*remove the (dot)

What I've discovered is that the JW GBs have mastered the art of Words. Word art is their fort. They are very eloquent and gifted talkers and writers. That skill, they combined with another skill in deception and manipulation of words coupled with an indepth knowledge of human psychology to fleece millions of gullible souls.

achorladey:
I told you several times. He cannot make a point without lying and claiming lies on behalf of others.

Wumiwumi100 showed evidence he is an elder and still active. He cannot even show us evidence that indeed he is an elder and yet lie and claim nonsense on behalf of others to make a point.

The same MaxInDHouse said I was cursed by Brocab years ago while still a member and now that I am no longer a member of that religious organization yet insisting we are still members.


They didn't didn't even believe the last day began in 1914 that they are now saying. They believed that 1914 God is coming to pack everything up and take over everything. When what they predicted and prophesied didn't happen they start another round of mental gymnastics about setting dates on Christ return and last days

Maxindhouse, another of your lies get busted again.

achorladey:
The liar and manipulator sabi parrot lies and manipulations packed into his brains....

Colossians 1:13 He rescued us from the authority of the darkness and transferred us into the kingdom of his beloved Son, 14 by means of whom we have our release by ransom, the forgiveness of our sins.

The above scripture happened in 1914 .

They can even manipulate that Bible verse by saying that they were in darkness under babylon the great until 1919 when they were rescued and inspected by Jesus Christ. People that manipulate the parable of the talents to fit lies.

Maxindhouse, another scripture to puncture your 1914 lies. Shame on liars who lie against the Word of God.

achorladey:
The person that is still lamenting that after years of calling us mad. It has not removed the lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains as one of the worst fools on nairaland being one of Jehovah’s witness in his own words .


He knows we are no longer part of that religious organization. He even had to lie that we said he should not comment on his thread. He can use the whole space on his thread. Na im sabi. He simply cannot accept Aemmyjah saying stop responding to us. He cannot stop responding to us since he knows he has to cover up lies and manipulations packed into his madness and insanities peddling brains about 1914

Maxindhouse, at the bolded, why did you lie? I ask you again!

achorladey:
You see the liar and manipulator saying let them leave that religious organization

Something he knows long before this time. Abusing and insulting us for doing so.

1874,1878 are dates before 1914 they said Jesus Christ second return will happen. When that did not work they manufacture another date

I've put the failed dates in memory. Thanks for alluding to them.

Maxindhouse, Achorladey says you knew long ago that they've left your organization, and you've even been abusing them because of it.

Why are you lying that they're still in the organization? Should you always lie before you make a point?

TenQ:
Former Christians among Mohammed's scribes. The. Muslims will say the the Qur'an is a RECITATION

May God open their eyes.

TenQ:
In Islam, a prophet or messanger is a person who receives a message from Allah.

Dhu al-Qarnayn received message from Allah in the Qur'an, this makes him a prophet. Of course Muslims will deny this because Alexander the Great was an Idolater and a bisexual BUT Mohammed didn't seem to know this

In short, an idolater and bisexual is a prophet of Allah.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're lying just as usual!
If you've been worshiping Satan and you know the meaning of Satan and the consequences of being in the midst of Satanists so you will still remain in their midst worshiping Satan shey?
You're now proving to be mischievous because a normal person will first leave the midst of Satanists and once he or she finds people who are worshiping the true God he or she will ask for how to join them in the right place.
Now you are here and you claim you're Jesus' disciple can't you first help them to start worshiping your own Jesus away from the midst of Satanists?
Ọmọ now you're showing your true color!

You don't have to cast an aspersion on me by saying I'm lying as usual before you make your defective points. What lie have I ever told you before?

A person could be a Satanist knowing he is worshipping Satan. He would leave satanism immediately he recognizes that God is not what Satanists claim about God.

Meanwhile, a person who worships Satan unknowingly but was deceived and told he was worshipping God, would leave gradually depending on the rate at which his confusion is cleared. At first he starts asking questions: Is this really God? Have I been deceived? Am I wrong? Hope I'm not making the wrong decision by leaving this group? All the while, he'll be researching until he is fully convinced. Then, finally, he leaves. This is a case different from someone who knows clearly that he was worshipping Satan.

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you're deceiving yourself!

Now try to visualize millions of Jews in the first century who have heard John the baptist and believed what he said about the Christ but later found out that the so called Christ isn't going to fulfill what John prophesied about just as John himself who was sent to prepare the way, heard God's voice in connection with Jesus' baptism, saw the Holy Spirit like a dove landing on Jesus but started doubting Jesus as the expected Messiah do you think millions who never saw or heard what John experienced will still continue to believe Jesus?

John actually didn't have to preach anything to them. They all had the same expectations as John because the scriptures didn't clearly separate the 2 comings for them to understand. As I said, Christ had to explain it to His disciples, and after the explanation, no Christian including the separatist groups like your JW should make such blunders as John. Jesus was clear on that issue. Anyone placing a date on the second coming is a false prophet.

What the JWs believe is that Jesus will return in the year 1914 bodily to judge the world once he is enthroned in heaven but instead the first thing Jesus did was to sack Satan and all demons from heaven then he visited the earth as a mighty Spirit King to restructure his group for the final work of gathering the obedient ones throughout the earth.

Please all these are in the figments of your imagination. There's no Biblical basis for the above hogwash. There's nothing such as Jesus first returning as a mighty spirit King. It's absolute nonsense. This was concocted by the JW leaders to save face after their prophecy failed. They don't have any single scriptural backing for such a lie.

So if you're not condemning John the baptist and Jesus' first century Jewish disciples for having a wrong expectation despite seeing Jesus face to face your condemnation of JWs is biased my guy they actually got something right which is the presence of a mighty Spirit King who did something in heaven in the year 1914!

As I said before, John does not have to be condemned because the Bible didn't separate the 2 events of Christ's coming. Infact the events of the first and second coming are narrated in scripture as a singular event without anyone knowing that Christ would first fulfil a part, and later fulfil the other part. John the Baptist and the millions of Jews who expected Jesus to reign are not at fault.

Jesus had to explain things to the disciples and gave them clarity regarding what confused John. He then clearly lectured them regarding His second coming. There's no confusion regarding Christ's second coming. Everything is clear. Christ even warned that the timing is exclusively in the authority of the Father. He said He would come SUDDENLY. That means, He would not pre-announce a date. Anyone announcing a date for Christ's coming is a liar and deceiver.

Tell us any particular reason similar to the situation of John that should justify the blunders of the JWs. Don't just give us a blanket statement saying they too should err because John erred. John's reason for erring is clear. What's the reason for the JWs earring? Why are they the only ones erring? Are they the only Christians?

Now, let's talk about the bolded. What proof do you have to show that they got it right about a mighty spirit King ruling, and the 1914 reigning nonesense.

MaxInDHouse:
These are the questions i personally asked the JWs before i finally submitted that it's 1914 that Jesus began ruling in heaven.
You can't isolate matters without considering what happened in the first century, John the baptist has raised the hope of many Jews telling them that the Messiah is coming to fulfill all what the scriptures said about him not knowing that the Messiah will not fulfill all so by the time he was arrested and imprisoned he expected Jesus to start ruling so the Christ can come to release him in prison but he was confused as Jesus wasn't doing as he expected that's why he sent his disciples to go and ask Jesus if he's the Christ or they should be expecting another person! Matthew 11:2-3

Does that wrong expectation make John the baptist less a prophet of God?

Jesus answered that John is the greatest of all the prophets who ever lived before his time.

So if JWs had a wrong expectation about what the Christ will do when he returns but later got to understand that he's not yet here to take over the world government just as his disciples also had wrong expectation in the first century! Act 1:6-8

What makes you think they are false?

I think I addressed this issue of equating the errors of John the Baptist with the JW false prophecies before. I wouldn't want to go into that anymore but I'll remind you in case you've forgotten.

John the Baptist was justifiably expecting Christ to start reigning in Jerusalem in his time because the Bible did not clearly separate the coming of Jesus into 2 different comings. Jesus had to explain in details to His disciples. By virtue of the explanations Jesus gave his disciples, no Christian should be making the blunder that John made. Anyone who does that, blatantly sets aside Jesus' explanation in a bid to work deceitfully. For example, I'm so clear about what Jesus said to the extent that even if someone makes a prophecy that Jesus would come at any specified date in our future, I wouldn't believe the person even if he spits fire as he speaks. That's clearly a false prophet. A deceiver. The knowledge we have of these things as Christians clearly forbids timing the second coming. All prophecies about the second coming of Christ at any specified date is a false prophecy.

But actually, this isn't the question I had wanted you to address. I wanted you to explain why you believe someone who fails to accurately calculate the fulfilment of a physical and verifiable event when such a person tells you about an unverifiable event such as Jesus ruling in heaven. If he failed in what is verifiable, can he be trusted in what is not verifiable?

Jesus' ruling in heaven is not even the Christians should be discussing because He has always been ruling. He didn't start in 1914. "He is seated on the right hand of majesty on high" Read Hebrews 1:1-3. Stephen saw Him seated at the right hand of God in Acts 7. He Himself had told Pilate, "My kingdom is not not of this world. If my kingdom was of this world, then would my servants fight " He clearly already had a kingdom. He didn't tell Pilate "My kingdom will not be of this world." Which would have made it a future kingdom. But He said "My kingdom is not of this world." Meaning, 'I actually have a kingdom which is not of this world. And I have servants too who can fight.' So, Jesus didn't start ruling in 1914. He was always a Ruler before He came to earth. Infact He left His throne above to come attend to the matter of man's separation from God.

Ephesus 1:19-24 tells us about Christ's rulership:

"And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of His mighty power, Which He wrought in Christ, when He raised him from the dead, and set Him at His own right hand in the heavenly place, Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,"

Look very well into the above scripture and see why the 1914 claim is so heretical.

MaxInDHouse:
When i told you that you're making friends with MAD people you say i'm insulting them, why not ask them to speak for themselves if they have been worshiping with any other church as Christians or they're still associating with JWs? Psalms 1:1

I was born a Muslim and i left the religion after discovering many wrong things but your friends proudly are calls themselves JW PIMO meaning they are PHYSICALLY IN with jw org but MENTALLY OUT of the organization.

Is that not MADNESS!

It's not madness. Don't you know the definition of madness again?

Freedom is in stages. Once light comes, it is followed by gradual detachment from darkness until total detachment happens. The work first begins in the mind over a period of time before a final decision is made. That was how you left Islam too. It was a gradual process. No one called you mad because of that. Calling them mad is absolutely wrong. It's a normal human way of responding to new discoveries after being used to a system for too long. You still have the time to convince them they're wrong if you have anything to offer. But you've done more damage to their stand regarding your organization than good.

Ohyoudidnt:
Fortunately you have a mind of your own. Make your own research and don't follow the ignorant whims of another that has an erroneous quarrel with himself about the truth.

The Quran is the central religious text of Islam and contains guidance for all aspects of life. It does not specifically mention the legend of Alexandra. It is important to focus on the teachings and guidance provided in the Quran and the authentic Hadiths when seeking knowledge about Islam.

Were you told Psalm 16:10 is in the Quran and you believe it without verifying?

But is Alexander the Great not truly a prophet in Islam?

I do not doubt that it's there. I researched it and found it. I think it's Zabur 3:5 or something.

Look at something else I found. Can you explain the screenshot?

TenQ:
It is amazing that Allah who directly chose NOT to speak to Mohammed decided to directly speak to Alexander the Great.

So , we see prophet Alexander PBUH being shown where the sun sets in some dark murky waters. Even Moses wasn't given such a privilege

Lol. Prophet Alexander. This is very hilarious. The same Alexander the Great is a prophet of Islam? Or another Alexander?

I found this online just now. The truth about Islam is really coming out.

MaxInDHouse:
Let them prove me a liar by leaving the organization if they're sure it's a cult nah!

I don't think they're still there. I'm not sure anyway but from the way they address JW matters here, I don't think they're still in the organization.

MaxInDHouse:
You're still deceiving yourself!

To millions of Jehovah's Witnesses 1914 is the year Jesus began ruling in heaven so if they're not sure then there's no need arguing or worrying themselves instead of worshiping with the erring organization any fearless person will leave and join a better performing church.
It's madness claiming you're worshiping with pagans and satanists if you're sure that they are Satanists!

How are you so sure that Jesus started ruling in heaven in 1914? Is there a time Jesus was not ruling in heaven? You guys have so many things muddled up.

If you claimed Jesus would come in 1914 and he didn't come as you prophesied, what confidence do you have regarding something happening in heaven which you cannot see. Do you know how many times your organization has prophesied Jesus' coming with each prophecy failing woefully?

TenQ:
Mohammed never read the Torah not the Psalms nor the Injeel. However, he heard stories from many of his slaves some of them who were Christians and some of the stories he put in the Qur'an are from the Jews and other far away legends like the legend of Alexander the Great or the Legend of the seven sleepers. Anything he thought was interesting was put in the Quran in form of SAJA

It was said that many of the poets in Mohammed's time made fun of him because his Saja wasn't good. SAJA was the style of literatures Poets used in presenting their songs (more like Rap Music). Mohammed latter banned any arabs from using Saja poetry so that the Qur'an remains the only surviving Saja compilation of the Arabs.

Some people insinuate that the bulk of the Quran was initially a hymn to Christ (in one of the Syriac languages)which was later modified piece by piece to become the Qur'an;in Arabic. They insinuate that this is why some parts of the Qur'an is actually meaningless unless one look at it from the Syriac languages.

These are still too deep for me so that I keep my fingers crossed and deal with the one I know.

You know really much bro. So, the legend of Alexandra is also in the Quran? It was Allah who revealed that too?

TenQ:
I prefer to leave this to the experts of both Arabic and Tools of analysis of ancient texts and scriptures.

For now, the Qur'an, Hadiths, Tafsirs and other Islamic documents are doing great work of destroying Islam for me.

I learnt that the very Psalm that spoke about the the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ is plainly written in the Quran as one of the Zabur of David:

"For you will not leave my soul among the dead or allow your holy one to rot in the grave." Psalm 16:10.

Meanwhile, being oblivious of this prophecy which Mohammed evidently copied from the. Bible without knowing what he was copying, he went and contradicted the same prophecy, saying Christ never died.

achorladey:
One line of thought na fraud. I told him in his kingdom halls he will climb the platform and discouraged talking with apostates then come down immediately himself and log into apostate websites.

Lol. Do as I say but don't do as I do.

achorladey:
That's what Aemmyjah was trying to do stylishly. That one knows there are many things he is dropping here that don't agree with their beliefs. You can see he categorically told Aemmyjah that the thread belongs to him, he won't stop responding responding to us

The bolded. Lolz. This is so hilarious.

achorladey:
Ask am ooooo. I said that thread will haunt him in the future. Here we are today referencing what happened three years ago

Hmmm!! I think he should now believe in prophecy.

MaxInDHouse:
OK you're just trolling now as usual, right?

Continue deceiving yourself boy.

These guys call themselves (JW PIMO) meaning they are PHYSICALLY IN with jw.org but they are MENTALLY OUT.

Even in Nigeria where millions are mentally out of the country any opportunity to leave they will seize it in fact selling everything they own here just to get out of Nigeria but here we have people who are claiming they are physically in a religion but mentally out of that religion.
Abeg are there no other religion around them?

Ask him the question:

Mr A are you worshiping the same GOD with Watchtower organization today?

If not why are you not worshiping elsewhere?

let him answer if he's not MAAAAAAAD!

But the things they say about your organization are true. For example, the 1914 lie about Jesus reigning since that year is one of the most hilarious lies anyone could tell.

Emusan:
And he forgot that no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it can never become truth.

You don't know Maxindhouse bro. His lies have become truth to him. That's why he would call you a liar when you're exposing his lies. Those his lies are his truths.

TenQ:
Most of the Ancient Islamic Books seems all to originated not from Mecca or Medina but in Baghdad and the northern kingdoms North above Saudi Arabia.
My issue is the tonnes of hadiths they have for Mohammed.
For now, we keep our fingers crossed until they come out with something beyond any argument

Hmm. This would be a very interesting kind of research to embark on.

Emusan:
You hit the nail on the head.

The only person I know who tried to be different is Dappad by moniker, he uses to correct him sometimes.

You can even see how he raise eyes for that one doing boi boi following him.

You can see that he has started responding back on this thread.

That is who he is!

Wow. I don't know that Dappad but that's commendable of him.

TenQ:
This the research Jay Smith and Al-Fadi have been doing for some years now.

Mohammed seems to be a superimposition of a fictional Mohammed with a Real Mohammed based on a gnostic Christian offshoot

Check on YouTube for some of their submissions

Thank you. I'll research deeper on this. The fact is that if Mecca indeed was not in existence as at the purported times of Mohammed's life, then something is really fishy.

achorladey:
When Johnw47 say that madness and insanities peddling brains he is an accuser like the devil. You see why he has a solid point. . He was accusing, abusing, insulting me over a question that I answered. He even lied that I didn't answer. Attributes and machinations of the devil

The whole essence of that discussion was that those who worshipped same God cannot criticise one another. I said that is a big fat lie. Worshipping the same God is not a criteria not to criticise one another. All he was doing that time was to stop me from criticizing his religious organization.

So in his quest to advance his madness and insanities peddling. He asked my am I worshipping the same God that Jehovah's witnesses worship? I responded by telling him that I worship the same God Moses described in Exodus 3:15. Up till today he is yet to tell me if he worship that same God too knowing that it will render his point that those worshipping same God cannot criticize one another

Maxindhouse, why did you lie that Achorladey didn't answer your question? Another proof of your lying ways.

He can't answer the question because by answering either yes or no, he'll shoot himself in the foot.

achorladey:
FxMasterz this is for you, read through and see the part highlighted

How did he know I am worshipping the same God with Jehovah's witnesses and yet antagonising them in that question? That tells you I gave a response that expose the madness and insanities peddling of his brains.

See him say I am also another moniker called falseprophet

Look at the options I provided in my questions, how did I know he said NO while my response is YES regarding worshipping same God or not

He is a case here on Nairaland and he himself knows it but deliberately lives in self denial. I'm sure his fellow JW brothers wake up each day in fear of what other blunder Maxindhouse will make in the day on their behalves.

He makes blunders on top of their heads and they're always compelled to defend their organization by not exposing their 'Blunderer' brother. I'm sure if they can meet him face to face, they'll tell him to stop shaming them with his bludering comments.

MaxInDHouse:
Now you're scared to quote me shey?

Well i won't respond to your friend but if you are ready to learn i will respond to your questions.

Why should I be scared to quote you? Do you want me to be scared? You are proud to scare people too?

achorladey:
FxMasterz you see his latest response now is to jump away from you and back to Achorladey as point of discussion .

Asking you whether I am mad. His own words judge him already to be a worst fool when he said Achorladey = Emusan . Enough evidence of the madness and insanities contained in his brains peddling lies and manipulations about people here and there

He enjoys his lies so much. He wouldn't be fulfilled if he has not told one lie before a day runs out.

Emusan:
That's to show you, something is wrong somewhere with him.

That's true, or how can a human being be positive and negative about the same matter at the same time? And this type of speaking is too rampant with him.

TenQ:
It is amazing how a religion will be based purely on lies and deceptions. Even the local African Traditional Religion or the Eastern Religions are not filled with this much lies.

But
[b ]Because Islam was designed specifically against the Christian Faith, it has to first create legitimacy by climbing on the Ladder of the Religion of the Jews and Christians and then recreating a new fabricated Religion just to prevent salvation in Christ Jesus and destroy Christians of little knowledge.[/b]

Everything is looking like Mohammed himself was a fabricated identity based on one of the earliest adherents of the religion of Islam. Till now, there is no archeological discovery pointing to the existence of Mecca or Medina on or before the 7th century.

Infact the local African traditions don't tell lies about their religion. Those ones are just ignorant. But Islam is deliberate lies that must be defended with the sword.

The bolded is the real fact. Islam was created by Satan to fight against the salvation that Jesus brought.

I'll like to know more about the possible fabrication of mohammed. How did you arrive at this?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you also claim that you're a Christian with the below?
As you LIED publicly against a Nairalander and said he stole your money 200k.



These and many more are the things you people do to BASTARDIZE that group name yet claiming you're following Christ.

No member of JW will ever claim someone stole his money when they never had anything to do together involving money.

So if anyone lied against us we just laugh it off!

The difference between you and I is fully captured below. You really have bastardized your cult. Let everyone judge between you and I.