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achorladey:
Bible verse that he will twist inside one minute

I don't expect him not to twist it. I'm just patiently waiting for his next twist.

achorladey:
Oteneaaron we go outlaw you from nairaland while will you be tutoring a member of the better performing performance group on organisation book?

Lol.

achorladey:
Person wey don hook.

Lol.

Janosky:
@ Acts 8:20,The donor wanted something in return (miraculous powers) for the monetary gift to the apostles.

Did Henrietta Riley Trust make ANY requests from JW's prior to making donations ?

No nau !!!!

That's not the point okay?

Maxindhouse already understood the question I was asking him which was based on one of his false assertions that Jesus never rejected any donation.

achorladey:
Fxmasterz nwokem bi kiaful.


Those treasures becomes so pe otilo

He couldn't answer the question. Rather he was saying it was Jesus who said it when Jesus never said so.

achorladey:
See bible verse explanation. I thought one religious organization said Bible is an organization book

They're very insincere people. See how he was dragging the matter from excuse to another. For every scripture verse that debunks his claims, he has another unrelated verse to drag another part of the discussion. I hate dishonest and dubious individuals.

MaxInDHouse:
The money wasn't given to the GROUP so he has the right to accept or reject just as you said you will do as an individual but if it's meant for a group of people ọmọ that's beyond you!

It was shares that was donated to your organization. Isn't it?

I have asked you what your reactions would be if the same thing had been donated to Winners or RCCG or any other church. Let me tell you the truth, if Winners or RCCG should be beneficiaries of this kind of shares, I would condemn it outright. I wouldn't be a hypocrite like you.

MaxInDHouse:
Matthew 13:45-46

Matthew 19:21

Luke 16:9

You can go and show all your friends let them meditate thoroughly then come back to explain what Jesus meant in those verses!

Your organization is well known for such manipulations. I'm not surprised.

Jesus was talking about restitution. Restitution isn't the same as salvation. It just an action done to right a wrong. In Mathew 19:21 which you quoted, Jesus clearly said sell what you have, distribute to the poor (not to JW or to an organization), THEN COME FOLLOW ME. That means the restitution itself is not a guarantee for salvation until you follow Jesus to the end.

Keep deceiving yourself. At the end of the days, you would be very sorry for yourself. Keep manipulating scriptures to support heresies!

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered you that the question is not for me but for Jesus who said people can NEGOTIATE their SALVATION nah!

Jesus never said that please.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's take things one after another remember NO ADDITION NO SUBTRACTION {Revelations 22:18-19} so if you can't find where the group rejected gifts during Jesus' time it simply means the gifts weren't meant to get something in return it's the laws they received from their God that they were following.
They must be kind to strangers that's why any Israelite who treated Jesus' disciples with contempt is on the danger list {Matthew 10:11-15} because such a person is not kind to strangers just as their forefather Abraham did!{Genesis 18:2-3} Jesus knew that real Israelites must provide for strangers visiting them {Matthew 10:9-10} but when it's time for team to cross the boarders of Israel Jesus ordered them to provide for themselves! Luke 22:35-36


So the gifts weren't given in exchange for any favour that's why they can't reject what their God commanded their own people.

But as for the other man he wasn't giving the group rather he wanted to bribe the two men perhaps they can reveale the secret behind that power to him!

Please where did Peter learn to reject some monies? Who taught him?

I stand by your words that the shares were donated in exchange for salvation. And that Christ and the disciples never rejected any monies.

Who taught Peter how to reject money the way he did in Acts 8?

MaxInDHouse:
You always mix many things together!

They didn't sell it to the group rather they sold it to those who will give the proceeds to the group.

And as for those NEGOTIATING for their SALVATION it's Jesus that you should ask not me after all you saw what he said that people could actually NEGOTIATE their SALVATION!

I have asked quoted a scripture that explained what Christ said. You rejected it. Christ already answered the question through the Holy Spirit in the verse.

2 John 1:8

"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked so hard to achieve. Be diligent so that you receive your full reward."

Philliipians 2:12

"Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling"

Now, if salvation is the same as treasures in heaven according to you (Jesus never said in that verse that treasures in heaven = salvation), will the individuals who donated the unrighteous shares remain saved even if they become apostates tomorrow in spite of their treasures in heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
Was the gift available before Pentecost?

So those giving them material things were buying gifts from them shey?

The question is where did Peter learn how to reject money from? Who taught him?

MaxInDHouse:
You just love arguing blindly!

Jesus said people can have treasures in heaven but you think such ones are not saved.

Must you continue deceiving yourself?

We've quoted the scriptures that further explains what Jesus said. You deliberately cut out that part because you want to reject it.

Let me ask you this question. The person who sold shares to your cult now has treasures in heaven according to you, isn't it? According to you, he is now saved, isn't it? What happens if he becomes an apostate tomorrow even in spite of his treasures in heaven? Does he remain saved because of his treasures in Heaven?

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you this dubious nah?

Jesus never collected a dime from anyone it's the group that's given the material things just as God's organization is collecting gifts today as a group.
So it's not what any individual can determine whether it should be received or not meanwhile you can't find a single verse in the Bible where the group rejected any gift.
Perhaps there was no unrighteous riches back then in Israel! Luke 16:9

Can't you see how dubious you are already?

The group was collecting funds without Jesus' knowledge? Please answer me!

If the group never rejected any funds, whee did Peter learn how to reject some donations as he did in Acts 8:20:

"Peter answered: “May your money perish with you, because you thought you could buy the gift of God with money!

MaxInDHouse:
But i thought you claim to believe what is found written in the Bible nah!

Well here's what Jesus himself said about negotiations for SALVATION.

"If you want to be perfect, go sell your belongings and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come be my follower.” Matthew 19:21

You're free to ignore what Jesus himself said o!

Treasures in heaven is not the same as salvation of the soul. Okay? You can have treasures in heaven and lose them if you're not saved.

2 John 1:18

"Watch out that you do not lose what we have worked so hard to achieve. Be diligent so that you receive your full reward."

Philippians 2:12
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling."

MaxInDHouse:
Who is the one collecting the money nah?

But Judas Is·carʹi·ot, one of his disciples, who was about to betray him, said: “Why was this perfumed oil not sold for 300 de·narʹi·i and given to the poor?”  He said this, though, not because he was concerned about the poor, but because he was a thief and had the money box and used to steal the money put in it. John 12:4-6

Do you now agree that Jesus never collected a dime from anyone?
Whatever gifts the group receive was kept in the money box in Judah Iscariot's hand Jesus doesn't even have a single wallet with him.
So anything given belongs to the group!

I shake my head for you.

You first thought Jesus never collected any money at all. By your thinking, that's why Jesus didn't collect from Zachaeus. Now that I showed you that Jesus actually collected funds, you turned it to say Judas Iscariot was the collector. But even in that scripture you quoted, you'll see that Judas was actually seeking Jesus' approval for the oil to be converted to money and distributed to the poor.

That shows you that no money entered that purse without Jesus' approval. He was a great administrator and wouldn't leave His financial decisions to a thief who would collect unrighteous monies at His back.

Man, would you actually be quoting all these scriptures if it was RCCG, Foursquare, Winners or Assemblies of God that collected such a bloody donation of shares? Can't you see your hypocrisy already?

Aemmyjah:
Oga
You're the stupid one
Stupid as usual

Small time , curse will tell you with 'proof' say we invest on juju rituals

When you get home you should say the bolded to your dad.

MaxInDHouse:
The funniest part here is that oteneaaron publicly declared that there is no God or Jesus but you have no problem with that it's donation that you can't quote any verse in the Bible against that you're crying over.

Ọmọ nah wah o!

Is that the reason why someone must donate his shares to negotiate his salvation?

oteneaaron:
Lol.

I wanna bribe your god to negotiate my salvation.

How much would that cost?

Lol.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you remind me a verse where Jesus took a dime from any human?

Luke 8:1-3
"After this, Jesus traveled from one city and village to another. He spread the Good News about God’s kingdom. The twelve apostles were with him. 2 Also, some women were with him. They had been cured from evil spirits and various illnesses. These women were Mary, also called Magdalene, from whom seven demons had gone out; 3 Joanna, whose husband Chusa was Herod’s administrator; Susanna; and many other women. They provided financial support for Jesus and his disciples."

oteneaaron:
Are you guys still on this matter.

MaxInDHouse clearly admitted that it doesn't matter where the money comes from.

He also mentioned that the money they make from the sale of weapons of war and tabbaco cigarettes are actually bribes to their god as a negotiation for salvation.

Those were his exact words.

Hmmm!

Using blood money to negotiate his salvation!

Aemmyjah, Cornelboy, Michael547, Janosky

Are you in agreement with what your brother Maxindhouse said in this screenshot?

He said the person who donated the armament shares to your cult was using the money to negotiate his salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
Someone felt remorseful that his wealth is not RIGHTEOUS so he decided to give it away so that God's organization can utilize it properly and you said you will reject such as if the organization belongs to one individual like you who will say YES or NO.

Ọmọ we are talking about an organization of millions around the world so it's not what an individual like you will decide how the owner should dispose his UNRIGHTEOUS RICHES.

So no matter what you call it that's your own PERSONAL OPINION the spirit of God that touched the heart of the giver is a million times wiser than you!

And the unrighteous wealth was fitting for your unrighteous organization. I agree.

Zachaeus gave away his unrighteous wealth too (Luke 19:8 ). No, he didn't give it to Jesus, Jesus would have rejected it. He distributed part to the poor and returned the ones he unlawfully collected in folds. Can you imagine Jesus taking such shares?

Don't bother to respond. I'm sure you would never even see any lesson in the Zachaeus episode. You'll go on justifying the action because your soul is sold out to an organization and not to God. So, God's word doesn't matter. Meanwhile, if the shares were donated to Winners Chapel, then you'll likely quote this Zachaeus story to condemn it. Shame on you!

Aemmyjah:
If you like, say we have people we put in political positions and they give us returns, it's for your stupidity and you'll expect me tk be defending or attacking lies shey?

Every accusation I have supported here are evidenced with paper-proofs. Your own counter arguments have been your words alone. You can't even provide any evidence against the proofs. Between you and I, who's stupid?

achorladey:
I go like see that thread. Will search it out and see . The same standards they use to measure others when used on them they start all sorts of abuses, insults, curses

I'll join you searching for it. I'll alert you once I find it.

Courz:
Investment in Tobacco is found below. The name of the Tobacco company is Philip Morris. You can Google the company. The company is in the 2nd screenshot.

Thanks very much.

Maxindhouse has justified the shares in weapons production by saying Jesus didn't teach them not to own such shares. He even accused me of being self righteous for rejecting such shares. I'm already weeping for him. He'll sure have the same defence for this too. Jesus didn't teach them not to own shares in a tobacco company. Anyone rejecting such shares is only being self righteous.

MaxInDHouse:
That's your own SELF-RIGHTEOUSNESS Jesus never taught us like that! Luke 7:38-48

The investors are now lifetime pioneers going from house to house like any JWs in your neighbourhood while their former business colleagues laugh at them for humbling themselves so low to the point of going to knock on doors of people whose level is too low to them.
Most of their children hate them so much that many of them have become apostates always speaking against the organization and writing different articles just to malign the religion that doesn't allow their parents to pass over such wealth to them.

Who will tell you all these stories?

Well you are free to choose whatever you want to believe it's a free world!

Jesus never taught you like that? So Jesus taught you that national defence is not good? Or that he died for 144,000 people only, or that Her came in 1914 before you started peddling such lies?

Can you see how hypocritical you are with that response? Even accusing me of being self righteous for rejecting such bloody shares?

achorladey:
What Emusan said is what their reactions will be. They have used the Roman Catholic abusing children as evidence to say they are Satan's organisation, false Christians teaching perverted doctrines of fatherhood. By the time the numerous cases of child abuse in their own religious organization got exposed to the public they hide behind imperfections and using various failings of the apostles as reason for such too in their midst despite not teaching fatherhood as perverted doctrines. That religious organization no be for here.

Lol

This is hilarious.

I remember a thread someone made here on Nairaland some months ago. The person posted the names of different churches and did some mathematical calculation on how the names of those church added up to 666.

Janosky jumped on that thread and started accusing the churches of being antichrist and satanic. The Op of the thread then showed Janosky that Jehovah Witness is also among the 666 organizations. He then calculated how Jehovah Witness equals 666. As soon as Janosky saw that JW is also 666, he asked the OP to carry his Iberiberism away. I remember challenging him on that thread regarding his position on other churches and how he reacted when he saw that his organization was among. He asked me too to carry my iberiberism away.

They're Hypocrites but Maxindhouse is angry because I described them according to how they've presented themselves.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you the simple explanation behind such investments but you just won't listen.

Pastors invests the money collected from their members to build schools and universities whereas the common member who is part of those contributing the money can't send their child their.

So Jehovah's Witnesses had no investments rather it's converts who willed their shares to Watchtower that's the cause of such benefits and they know that it will help their brothers in poor countries.

For instance Jehovah's Witnesses don't buy Bibles, and other publications you see in our hands, how do you think the organization is covering such huge expenses?
During COVID-19 i received food stuffs only to know that it's our rich brothers in America and other lands that organized it.
So if you keep arguing that investors deliberately sends out enemies against their own products it will only make sense before an enemy of truth reasonable people will just look at the matter and walk away.
That's why you're not seeing people coming to support what you're carrying as if you've seen something incriminating against God's organization!

I have also asked you why JW didn't reject the share offer. I personally would reject such a gift on the grounds of my personal morality and Christian standing.

Aemmyjah:
They said we're Freemasons
They said we invest in tobacco
They said we invest in armaments
What happened to alcohol and combats investment na

I have actually found a lot of evidence for the Freemasonry allegations. You can't know except you investigate. We saw a paper indicating you have shares in a company producing armaments. You've been unable to logically defend that.

MaxInDHouse:
All of these is what your friends here are doing yet you sweep everything under the carpet as if their own no matter.
So if you can do that then how can you truly know who is lying?

Open your heart and question everyone around you not just directing all your energy towards one side because by doing so you will judge wrongly.

Now face the fact.
Courz said JEHOVAH is the name of a demon.
Ask him if he has repented of that.
Then oteneaaron who said humans created God is here, face him and ask what he meant by that.
He also claimed that Jesus never existed all these you swept under then you want to claim Jehovah's Witnesses are lying because they don't agree with you.

Is that not the height of hypocrisy?

Open a thread on my friends, then we'll discuss them too. You're free to open a thread on me and discuss me too. This thread is a JW thread. I can't be discussing my friends. That's derailment. But you could see that I once challenged Achorladey for calling insulting you by always referring to you as madness and insanity peddling brains. Didn't you see that? He justified his stand by referring me to a first aggression from you where you called him all manner of names including asínwín. He uploaded screenshots as proof.

So, please you have not proven that I have been insulting you.

Emusan:
The funny thing is see how they are boldly defending the organisation for having share with a company into mass destruction of weapons and Tobacco.

Just assume is this to be Catholic or Redeem, you'll see them quoting and twisting different Bible verses and tell you no early Christian did that.

You can even see him saying Jesus spent Ceasar money?

Very shameless people!

I'm not yet clear about the tobacco allegations as I've not yet seen any evidence of their involvement. That's why I'm yet to talk about it.

But truly, Maxindhouse, Aemmyjah, Janosky, Michael547, Cornelboy, please tell us what your reactions would be if you see a similar document indicating that Winner's Chapel, Redeemed Christian Church of God, Deeper Life, Nigerian Baptist Convention, Four Square Gospel Church, Assemblies of God or any other church owns shares in a company producing weapons of mass destruction?

Please if there's any document proving the allegation of their tobacco shares ownership, kindly upload. The one I saw didn't provide any evidence, or perhaps I didn't look well enough.

achorladey:
The more reason I, said it was a diversion tactics. He knows his intentions were just to hide their head and face from lies

Who are they deceiving?