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cornelboy:
Can you use the scriptures to support your answer first?

Done!

MaxInDHouse:
You've not quoted the scriptures nah!😟

Hope you're not thinking that whatever you say will be swallowed without using the scriptures o!

Water is born of WATER and what is born of SPIRIT?

That's what Jesus said you're the one fabricating your own interpretation now!😟

In what way did I fabricate my own interpretation?

I have already told you that to be born of the Spirit is to be born of the Word and of the Holy Spirit.

And to be born of Water is to be born of the Word and water baptism.

The Word is the main progenitor.ley me now quote scriptures:

1Peter 1:23:

"Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, [by the Word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever."

Now, is the Word Spirit?

John 6:63:

"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life

Is the Word water?

Ephesians 5:26

"...that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,

MaxInDHouse:
He never knew that Jesus himself is the first to become a born again by getting baptized in water and spirit the same day! Matthew 3:16
So he wanted to fabricate his own as he thought the thief Jesus promised Paradise is also born again!😀

Chai! See heresy.

So, in your false doctrines, you believe Jesus became born again at a particular time. Na wá o.

Thks was someone who conceived of the Holy Spirit, born of the Spirit. Driven of the Spirit and was filled with Wisdom and Favour from his youth up. So,the became born again in Jordan?

Wonders shall never end.

So, let me ask you this question. You don't even understand what it means to be born again in the actual sense of the Word.

You were already born of your father. Then you became born again, or born a second time by the Word of God.

Now, Jesus Himself is the Word of God . If He became born again at Jordan, who was His first father who progenated Him before He became born again?

Maybe Cornelbpy can also help.you.

cornelboy:
This questions go hard to answe o

Have you seen the answers? Can you help him in bringing more questions?

MaxInDHouse:
Please can you quote where the above is explicitly stated in the scriptures.

Don't tell me you don't know that you're born by your parents and became the son of your parents. You're then born again by God to become the son of God. You have a physical family you belong to through your parents. You have a spiritual family you belong to when you became born again. This makes you a child of God. And that makes you saved. A child of God is already in the family of God and is saved. That's why Jesus said you must be born again to enter into the kingdom of God.

Truthseeker10:
1)So what logic are you using to understand divine things? Where did YAHWEH tell you that He was Jesus Christ?

Yahweh does not have to tell me He is Jesus Christ. Doctrines are not borne on one explicit statement. They're based on the aggregate understanding of several explicit statements.

Or, may I ask you, where did Jesus say He is angel Michael?

2)Below is John 1:18.

King James Bible
No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Who is the God that no man has seen?

No man has seen God prior to the Son coming to reveal Him. God reveals Himself through His human manifestation as Jesus.

That's why when Philip asked Him in John 14, saying "Show us the Father and it will suffice us ." Jesus upbraided him and said, "I have been so long with you, and you are still asking me to show you the Father? Don't you know that whoever sees me has seen the Father!" (Paraphrased).

These are Jesus' own true words which you have rejected.

Whoever has seen Jesus has seen the Father. ",...the Son who is in the bossom of the Father, He has REVEALED HIM "

How How come YAHWEH is both Father and Son in the bossom of the Father?

I have told you that God is jot limited by your own limitations!

You should ask:

1. How come God and the Lamb sit on the same throne in Revelation 5.

2. How come the 24 elders and all creatures worship God and the Lamb?

3. How come God is said to be from Everlasting, and Jesus is also said to be from Everlasting?

4. How come God and the Lamb are the Light (not Lights) of the new Jerusalem? Why is there one Light from both of them instead of two lights?

5. How come the Scriptures say "...but unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne oh God is from everlasting to everlasting...'

6. How come Yahweh is a Rock and Jesus is a Rock?

7. How come the Son that would be born is called "Everlasting Father" according to Isaiah?

8. How come Yahweh is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Isaiah, and Jesus is also the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Revelation?

9. How come Jesus calls Himself "The Almighty" in the book of Revelation?

10. How come everyone in the book of Revelation worship God and the Lamb but both God and the Lamb worship nobody? The Lamb is worshipped but He worships nobody throughout the Bible.

Jesus said the Father is in Me, and I in the Father. The Son being in the bossom of the Father should generate no issue.

MaxInDHouse:
Where is it written in the Bible that it's eating and confessing Jesus as Lord is equal to being Born of Water and Spirit?

Being born of Spirit and Water is equal to being born again. And being born again is equal to being saved. Being saved is equal to Jesus being Lord over your life.

Truthseeker10:
So if YAHWEH and Jesus is the same person, how come you claimed that YAHWEH sent Jesus to die?

Does John 17:3 say that JESUS is the only True God?

You're not getting it.

You're the one who can't send yourself to die. Not God. Your own limitations are not God's limitations.

Stop using your own logic to understand Devine things.

John 17:3 doesn't have to mention Jesus because the Only true God reveals Himself through Jesus. He made Himself physically approachable through Jesus. There's no difference between the two. So, your expectations regarding mentioning Jesus as the only true God is borne of confusion. By saying the God of Israel is the Only true God, you're saying Jesus is the Only manifestation of that true God.

Believe the Gospel dear. God is Alpha and Omega, so is Jesus. Both sit on one throne. Both are the Light (not Lights) of the new Jerusalem.

MaxInDHouse:
Which one is WATER and which one is SPIRIT?
Also how can someone be born of WATER and SPIRIT?
And how was the THIEF born of WATER and SPIRIT that day?🙂

By hearing the Word of God and believing it to the extent of confessing Jesus as your Lord, you're born of the Water and Spirit of the Word.

The thief called Jesus Lord. He confessed Him as Lord. And that's why he was assured of paradise.

MaxInDHouse:
Which one is WATER and which one is SPIRIT?
Also how can someone be born of WATER and SPIRIT?
And how was the THIEF born of WATER and SPIRIT that day?🙂

Please read again.

I have told you that the Word of God is both Water and Spirit. Ask me for Scripture references.

Then, the water of water baptism, and the the Holy Spirit Himself are also Water and Spirit. But the Word is the Ultimate. The sole Progenitor.

Truthseeker10:
So Jesus told the man that YAHWEH was the ONLY TRUE GOD and not Jesus Christ even though you claimed that YAHWEH and Jesus is the same person?

Just as I told you earlier, Jesus didn't tell him about doctrines. He had no time for such.

And why would Jesus tell him that Yahweh is the only true God and not Jesus when Jesus already said "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father"?

Don't you know that Yahweh and Jesus are one?

MaxInDHouse:
Going by this your explanation what represent WATER and which one is SPIRIT according to Jesus?🙂

.See, they're interspersed.

Water represents both the Word of God and Water Baptism

Spirit also represents both the Word of God and the Holy Spirit.

The Word of God is the sole progenitor of the new creation. The Word of God is God. That's why anyone born of the Word is a Child of God. And by that, we have a deposit of the Divine nature in our regenerated nature. This is the core of being a new creature. This is how old things pass away.

Would you like me to go even more deeper?

Some doctors don't value human lives! They're just in the profession for the sake of earning a living.

The day my friend told me how he overheard two doctors asking themselves in a hospital "How many field die for your ward today?". That day, I knew that there are very sub human doctors in the respected profession.

Or, how can a human being forget scissors in the belly of another human being if he cares for the human being in question?

mrvitalis:
This is why America is the greatest and most benevolent super power ever

Can Iranians in iran post something similar under their leaders post?
Chinese?
Russians?

Or North Koreans?

Even all those Arab countries.

They won't live to tell the story.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you correlate this your explanation with what Jesus said at John 3:3-5?

You're born again by the Word of God which is Spirit and Life. You proceed out of the womb of the Word when you believe. The Word deposits a new Spirit in you from the Father, whereby you cry 'Abba Father'. You're now a new born baby in the Kingdom by the incorruptible Word of God.

Want to learn more?

Truthseeker10:
Did Jesus tell the man that YAHWEH was the ONLY TRUE GOD and not JESUS CHRIST for the man to be saved according to your statement below? Yes or no?

"Knowledge of the Only true God. Knowing Yahweh as the ONLY true God and knowing that He sent Jesus for your salvation, and believing in what He did for you. That is Life Eternal."

You sound confused by your question.

Whatever Jesus told Him was not all the knowledge he needed to have. And that's the point I'm establishing for you to know that doctrinal knowledge is not a prerequisite for salvation.

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe Jesus?
If so keep your faith in him.

Is this how to want to dodge the request? Are you afraid to share it publicly?

Here's my request again:

"Jesus said we must be born of Spirit and water. How do we become born of Spirit and water according to your JW doctrine?"

Conversion totally differs from becoming born again.
120 disciples of Christ in the upper room were all converted from Judaism to Christianity but they became born again that day.
God doesn't anoint anyone only for the anointed to get killed that same day without doing the work he was anointed to do.
Do you understand now?🙂

So, in your false doctrine, to be born again is to be anointed? 😂😅😅😅😅😅😅

Humble yourself, and I will teach you.

Bring born again is a rebirth into the family of God. You've been born by your parents, and you have the Adamic gene in you. Now, it's time to be reborn- born again, so that you can have a new nature and grow in the family to become like Christ.

Do you want to learn more?

Truthseeker10:
Oga answer the question na. You are the one here telling us what Jesus told the thief and how the thief was saved.

Below is your statement in bold.

"Knowledge of the Only true God. Knowing Yahweh as the ONLY true God and knowing that He sent Jesus for your salvation, and believing in what He did for you. That is Life Eternal."

Did Jesus tell the thief that YAHWEH was the only true God and not Jesus Christ to be saved?

Which of my questions have you ever answered? Your hypocrisy is legendary.

You question is meaningless because I never said I know all that Jesus spoke to the man. All I know is that Jesus couldn't have taught him the whole of doctrines just within those few minutes on the cross.

Whatever he heard. He didn't know enough. He did hear it all or have it all. He had only little knowledge, and notwithstanding, he made it to Paradise because he believed Jesus is Lord.

MaxInDHouse:
Why are you running away from truth nah!🤣

Jesus has told you the process to become a Born Again {John 3:3-5} and there is no Born Again in the Bible who died the same day he became Born Again because they must WORK for their salvation!🙂

Okay, let me break down the question so you understand.

Jesus said we must be born of Spirit and water. How do we become born of Spirit and water according to your JW doctrine?

Then, I'll like to know if someone who gets born again today and dies today can be saved.

I have heard of people who get converted on their sick beds and die afterwards. Would they be saved?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you believe what Jesus said about the process of becoming born again?
Was the thief qualified?
Was Jesus lying about the process?🙂

Since you refused to answer my questions, I'll come again:

Since he was not apparently not born of water, he cannot enter the kingdom of God?

You didn't answer my questions at all.
1. What is the process for becoming born again as a JW?
2. If a man gets born again today and dies today, would he be saved?

Truthseeker10:
Why are you twisting your own statement? Below is your statement.

"Knowledge of the Only true God. Knowing Yahweh as the ONLY true God and knowing that He sent Jesus for your salvation, and believing in what He did for you. That is Life Eternal."

Did Jesus tell the thief that YAHWEH was the only true God and not Jesus Christ to be saved?

Can you tell us all that Jesus told the thief as an eye witness of the event?

allthingsgood:
I'm not an Islamist. Don't be a bigot
No amount of killing is justified. And also go do research, hamas is financed heavily by Israel.

Denying your religion does change whom you are.

Hamas is heavily financed by Israel? You're not even making any sense to own self.

MaxInDHouse:
Regarding being Born Again Jesus said:

“Most truly I say to you, unless anyone is born from water and spirit, he cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.  What has been born from the flesh is flesh, and what has been born from the spirit is spirit." John 3:5-6

So that thief was never a Born Again he is just a Christian and not all Christians becomes Born Again!🙂

Since he was not apparently not born of water, he cannot enter the kingdom of God?

You didn't answer my questions at all.

1. What is the process for becoming born again as a JW?

2. If a man gets born again today and dies today, would he be saved?

MaxInDHouse:
A Born Again Witness is a servant of God that's born of water and spirit. John 3:3-5

In the Bible no one became born again and died without WORKS of faith so it's either they are killed while doing their work like Stephen and James {Act 7:58; 12:2} or they grow old and die in the service like apostle John who wrote the Bible book of Revelation.
So there is no Born Again who died without doing the works of faith in the Bible neither can anyone be a born again and die the same day.
What Jesus told them is they must work really hard in the faith for direct salvation! Matthew 20:20-23🙂

According to your doctrine, how does this 'born again' event happen? What is the process of being born again?

Secondly, are you go to know the
day anybody dies? What do you mean by no one can be born again and die same day? Did that Robber not die the same day he accepted Jesus as his Lord?

Please answer my question. If a man becomes born again and dies same day, would he be saved?

MaxInDHouse:
John 3:3-5


1Thessalonians 4:16-17

So, you want to dodge the questions?

Only two questions:

1. Who is a born again JW?

2. If a JW gets born again today and dies same day, would he be saved?

allthingsgood:
Same way Israel only target hamas abi Nonsense

Na wa for slammers o.

So, israel is your role model? I didn't know.

Hey, but you missed the point.

All the Palestinians were rejoicing and celebrating when Hamas killed 1,200 people brutally on that October 7. Israel has a justifiable reason for clearing their area off. But, they constantly told them.to.flee those places. Thru didn't attack them directly except in cases where Hamas used them as shields.

You Islamist are just something else with the way you guys reason.

MaxInDHouse:
Salvation is certain only for Born Again Witnesses of Jehovah but as for the rest the Bible said it's Christ's thousand years reign that will determine their salvation!

So, who are the born again witnesses? And can someone born again today be saved if he dies same day?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you mean my conversion means i'm saved already?🤔
Because what we are discussing is that salvation will be achieved through the accurate knowledge of God and Christ Jesus {John 17:3} something that is an ongoing process that's why Jesus said:

If any JW member dies today after being a member last week, would he be saved?

Give your reasons.

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“All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth. Go, therefore, and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit, teaching them to observe all the things I have commanded you. And look! I am with you all the days until the conclusion of the system of things" Matthew 28:18-20

Highlighted in red is what can help us gain salvation o!😟

So, answer my question above.

MaxInDHouse:
I was born and raised in that faith.

That is what i said but you don't ask what type of faith?

Well i meant the Islamic faith?😟

Lol.

I asked you if you had all knowledge of doctrine the very day you converted from Islam. You started beating around the bush because you didn't want to tell the truth.

CyynthiaKiss:
I doubt if this religion and intelligence can co exist in one brain

The religion that believes that they'll pass through a bridge across hell and then get to paradise to be turned into green birds until Allah is ready to see them in human form again?

Sahih Muslim 1887:

It has been narrated on the authority of Masruq Who said: We asked 'Abdullah about the Qur'anic verse: "Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they are alive, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord.." (iii. 169).

He said: We asked the meaning of the verse (from the Holy Prophet) who said:

The souls, of the martyrs live in the bodies of green birds who have their nests in chandeliers hung from the throne of the Almighty. They eat the fruits of Paradise from wherever they like and then nestle in these chandeliers.

Once their Lord cast a glance at them and said: Do ye want anything? They said: What more shall we desire? We eat the fruit of Paradise from wherever we like. Their Lord asked them the same question thrice. When they saw that they will continue to be asked and not left (without answering the question). they said: O Lord, we wish that Thou mayest return our souls to our bodies so that we may be slain in Thy way once again. When He (Allah) saw that they had no need, they were left (to their joy in heaven).

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How can anyone believe the above and be intelligent?

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, i was born and raised in that faith so there is nothing than following my parents until i began hearing, reading and meditating on things i heard and read!😟

You have openly said it here that you were once a Muslim who got converted during your days in the army. Were you lying all these while?