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Janosky:
From where you dey get all these your fiction ?

Whereas the screenshots speaks for itself.

Oga, don't be deceiving yourself.

Kikikikiki.

He went to bring screenshot of JW from JW propaganda site.

Wonders shall never end.

[quote author=Truthseeker10 post=138940686]So the physical Jesus is not the father? Was it not the physical Jesus that said if his disciples have seen him then they have seen the Father?[/b]
The physical Jesus is not the Father. The knowledge of the physical Jesus is useless. You need to know Jesus spiritually. Then, you can have relationship with the Father, the Son and The Holy Spirit in Jesus.

it seems that you are confusing yourself. Oga if you claim that "hen" was used to describe the unity of Jesus disciples when Jesus called them one, was it not the same "hen" that Jesus used when he said he and the father are one? So where are you getting your "essence" from?

No need to argue with ignorant people. Just read the attached screenshot.

So if those who overcome are sitting on Jesus throne, on what throne did you claim that Jesus is sitting?

Are you a child?

Don't you know that Jesus meant thrones within His Kingdom? Jesus told the disciples they'll sit on 12 thrones. Or you didn't read that scripture I quoted earlier? There's one Kingdom and one throne which belongs to Jesus. Though there are 12 thrones mentioned for the disciples, there are no 13 Kingdoms. Only one Kingdom. Then, 12 sub-thrones of that selfsame throne and kingdom upon which the overcomers would sit.

However, in heaven, there's only ONE throne that belongs to the Father and the Son. There are no two thrones in heaven. If there are two thrones in heaven, prove it and stop beating around the bush.

MaxInDHouse:
At least you've seen how many accusations were leveled against Jesus and his disciples among the Jews and up till today that's what they are still talking about.
Here is a video showing how Israelites decided to ban Christianity:
https://youtube.com/shorts/0AUh9bkCNhU?si=H2iT9KKefQqxs9WJ
How many criminal cases have you seen in your own neighborhood regarding what you called "CRIMINAL ORGANIZATION" ?🙂

There are no criminal accusation against Jesus. Even Pilates abd thieves crucified with Him testified that The was a righteous man.

MaxInDHouse:
These are LIES that Jews were fed back in the first century which makes them hate Jesus and his disciples with passion.
So if you keep on following news that's circulating instead of studying those who had been accused of the crime you are just like the Jews.
For your information a Jew will spit on you simply because you bear that group name "Christian" due to these lies.
Now back to what you are parading here on Nairaland.
How many JWs have you found in your neighborhood committing any of those crimes mentioned on social media?🙂

Kikikikiki.

Looking for a way to defend the criminal organization.

Nobody accused Jesus of any crime. Defamation and disinformation after His departure is a different thing, and none of them say He committed any crime of any sort.

Abeg, tell your governing thieves to refund the Norwegian government all the money they diverted without doing the charity for which the funds were provided.

Norway has even deregistered the crimson organization. 😂 😂

You guys don't know more than twisting the Bible to defend your false doctrines. See how you're attempting to defame Jesus in order to make your organization look good.

MaxInDHouse:
Let me help you with what majority of the Jews heard about Jesus of Nazareth back then!

[1] Mary his mother got pregnant by another man and Joseph gullibly took her as wife because he had spent lots of money on her during their courtship.

[2] John the baptist who claimed Jesus is the Christ was a demonic man who happens to be Jesus' cousin.

[3] Jesus was gay that's why nobody suspected him since he's doing bone to bone.

[4] He was secretly sleeping with Mary Magdalene and she actually had a child for him.

[5] He learned magic from demons to make people follow him.

[6] He was arrested, charged, convicted, sentenced and executed lawfully.

[7] His followers came to steal his body at night and later started claiming he has risen from the dead.

All these allegations were documented in the Bible as his disciples kept writing all the evil things their religious leaders were spreading against Jesus that is why they organized thugs to continue attacking Jesus' disciples everywhere they could be found but when the Roman authorities wanted to see to the matter Jewish religious leaders use Paul who is an international lawyer to continue the prosecution after all he can defend whatever the thugs do to Jesus' disciples as he knew the laws of both Rome and Jews.

But when Jesus snatched Paul away from them they decided to kill Paul too.

So do you think anyone hearing these things will think twice before condemning Jesus and his disciples?🙂

all these are not crimes, and no Jew in Jesus' day held such views of Jim. Stop lying! If His disciples stole His body after His death, is that also a crime He was accused of leading to His sentencing? Kikikikiki.

MaxInDHouse:
So how come 99% of Jews till today don't believe in this man who had no sin?🙂

Do you need to be a righteous man for anyone to believe in you? I don't understand how you reason!

MaxInDHouse:
Back then do you think everyone knew Pontius Pilate washed his hands saying Jesus was innocent?🙂

He did it openly!

And who cares if everyone knows or not. What matters is everyone knew He had no sin. Even the thieves on the cross made the same confession.

MaxInDHouse:
So how come Pontius Pilate sentence him to death when the accusations are false nah?😟

If you want to be sincere stop deceiving yourself with how humans judge issues instead be open minded and broaden your thoughts.

Jehovah's Witnesses are in all the countries of the earth so if few countries are raising allegations against this group try to figure out if the same allegation occurred in all the countries where Jehovah's Witnesses are found then you can justifiably say that is what they are doing for real.

The Jews accused Jesus of being an impostor and they kept accusing his disciples everywhere they found them but is that the same way people from other nations view Jesus and his disciples?

Of course the answer is NO.

Pontius Pilates clearly washed his hands of the judgement saying 'I have not hand in the death of this innocent man's He was clearly under pressure to give a misguided sentence. Jesus had no sin!

JWs are commiting crimes in several countries. The documents I previously attached mentioned many crimes totalling more than 500 cases. How many countries are in this world sef that you alone have more than 1,000 cases?

It is the same JW that embezzled the funds the Norwegian government gave the organization as a charity for their Congregation. The 8 governing thieves pocketed the money. Congregation didn't see shishi. 😂 😂

Truthseeker10:
So the physical Jesus whom was the father had no spirit?

A spirit is a spirit. A spirit that became a physical being temporarily continues to be a spirit still. I don't know why guys are fixated on the physical Jesus when it's clear that Jesus existed before His physical appearance.

So where did you get your idea of inference from if you are not twisting the bible? When Jesus said I and the father are one, what Greek word did he use for "one"?[/b]
Go and study why the Greek word 'hen' was used for the word 'one' and come back here.

[quote]But did you not claim here that Jesus and the Father are seating on the same throne? So on whose throne did Revelation 3:21 say those who overcome will seat?

On Jesus' throne. How many times do I have to tell you that?

Or, if you live with your Father is his house, those that mean you cannot have your own house?

MaxInDHouse:
Then why did Pontius Pilate sentence Jesus to death o?😟

Because they cried "Crucify Him for making Himself a rival of Caesar."

Do you now want to mail a crime on Him because your organization is caught in a web of crimes?

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where any Christian ask these questions in the Bible?

Are these questions asked by satanists?

Again, Are you now born again?
Who is your Lord and Savior?

MaxInDHouse:
Are you sure they had no criminal charges against Jesus yet 99% of Jews never believe him?😀

Can you mention any criminal charges against Him other than the charges that He claimed Himself God and a King.

Even Pontius Pilates said "I find no fault in this man."

LordBiden:
No sir diplomacy is still the best way to go about it,war doesn't benefits anyone.

By the way the Iranians have never been the aggressor,each time Iran and the US is making progress with the nuclear talks is when Israel always strikes.

Their Quran says Christians and Jews are the worst of creatures and must be completely obliterated. It is a religious ideology that cannot be resolved by anything including diplomacy. Infact, they believe that their dajjal won't appear until Israel is wiped out.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ ask the Jews to tell you criminal acts committed by Jesus and his disciples in the first century then you'll be shocked to hear lot's of stories from different sources but then ask any Jew to present any Jewish religious group without a single record of crime then they will become provoked.

Ọmọ present any church with no record of criminal charges or you don't believe in the church of Christ again?😀

Max, leave story aside.

The Jews of Jesus' day had no criminal accusation against Him. Even Jesus asked them, "Which of you convinceth me of sin?", none could answer.

You were the one boasting that your religion is something. Where's your boasting, dear?

Your religion has the most disturbing records of criminality within Christianity.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Jesus or Paul said the highlighted?😀

Are you now born again?

Who is your Lord and Savior?

MaxInDHouse:
You keep mimicking your pastors.🙂

What's wrong with that?

Even Paul says "Be ye followers of me."

And are we not so enjoined to follow the faith of those whose conversations in the works have been without hypocrisy.

Hey, Max, lest I forget, you must be born again!

And you see, I actually don't follow men. I follow Jesus who is the Bishop and Shepherd of my soul. He is the one who is saying to you again today, "You must be born again."

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
Can you now present a religious group with no record of criminal charges?🙂

Hahahahaha.

The Max in the mud!

So, where's your boasting?

MaxInDHouse:
Do you know of a crime that Jehovah's Witnesses are known for throughout the world?🙂

Can you please mention one!🙂

There are many. Not one. I will mention them with verifiable references:

1. Child sexual abuse: https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-studies/case-study-29-jehovahs-witnesses

For others, see screenshots.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Jesus said this in the Bible?

Proverbs 23:23
"Buy the truth, and sell it not; also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding"

John 17:17
"Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth"

Hey man! You must be born again!

Truthseeker10:
FxMasterz


1)Lol....So Jesus whom you claimed is the father does not have spirit?

Are you deliberately ignorant?

Jesus is Spirit. We're not talking about the physical Jesus but the resurrected Jesus.

2)Oga this is the opposite of the question that I asked you. You seem confused. You were the one that brought the word "essence" into this discussion.

Abd I never said the word 'essence' appeared directly in the verse? Did I?

[quot,]What is the Greek word for "essence" and where is "essence" used in the bible?[/quote]I don't know if English is a challenge to you. Will you point out where I said the word 'essence' was used in the verse? I pointed out the inference of the verse based on the word 'one'. I never said essence was used. Prove me wrong.

3)Where did Jesus specify throne and crowns in Jerusalem in the verse below?
Did Jesus not specify that the throne they will sit will be on his own throne just as he is sitting on his own father's throne?

Don't you read your Bible? Or you do not understand simple Grammar?

Jesus sat in the Father's throne. He didn't promise anyone that they'll sit in the Father's throne. He only promised that we'll sit on His own throne, not the Father's.

2 Timothy 2:12.
"If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: "

Mathew 19:28.
"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."

To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Can you show me where in the above, Jesus promised anyone that He'll make them sit in the Father's throne?

Truthseeker10:
FxMasterz

What is the meaning of what you wrote above? You claimed the Jesus is the same person with the father. Explain how the Father is greater than Jesus that you claimed is the Father.

The same way your spirit is greater than your body.

What is the Greek word for "essence"? Show me where "essence" is used in the bible.

The Greek word used for 'one' which is 'hen' is indicative of the fact that the oneness Jesus talked about was in essence and not in togetherness.

Oga I simply asked you to explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


On what throne are those who overcome seating on?

On His throne in the new Jerusalem! Not the throne of heaven.

The Bible clearly lets us know that there are many thrones and crowns in the new Jerusalem. They would be assigned by Jesus as rewards.

But clearly, there's only one throne in heaven.

Truthseeker10:
FxMasterz

What is the meaning of what you wrote above? You claimed the Jesus is the same person with the father. Explain how the Father is greater than Jesus that you claimed is the Father.

The same way your spirit is greater than your body.

What is the Greek word for "essence"? Show me where "essence" is used in the bible.

The Greek word used for 'one' which 'hen' is indicative of the fact that the oneness Jesus talked about was in essence and not in togetherness.

Oga I simply asked you to explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.


On what throne are those who overcome seating on?

On the throne in the earthly Jerusalem! Not the throne of paradise.

MaxInDHouse:
Can you quote where Jesus said this in the Bible?🙂

So, you cut off again and started asking childish questions?

You saw real scriptures but rejected them, and also shut down the voice of sound reasoning to ask a mindless question.

You must be born again my friend.

MaxInDHouse:
A reputable and global family of peace loving worshipers hold the same belief as i do so i'm ok with it!🙂

Yes, global but not reputable.

They're being chased out for different crimes in different countries.

There are even more reputable and global families other than yours. They have no dent on their names.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's OK if you don't know there is nothing to be ashamed about.😟

You actually really need to be born again. Your organization deliberately twisted that important experience for you so that you can miss it. You're not born again as far as the Scripture is concerned.

Now, let me repeat what I said which you initially cut off in your hypocrisy.

Water baptism is not the main factor of being born of water. Infact water baptism has its own different purpose that make the new birth complete.

The Word is the actual factor in the new birth experience. 1 Peter 1:23 says "We are born again by the incorruptible Word of God." This is consistent with all parts of Scripture. Jesus Himself said in John 17 "They are Thine." Why are they His? That's because "I have given them Your Word". Not because of any other things but because "I HAVE GIVEN THEM YOUR WORD."

James 1:18 says:
"Of His own will He brought us forth by the Word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures."

The Word of God is the main progenator of the children of God. Those who believe the WORD are automatically"given power to become sons of God". John 1:12-13.

Water baptism completes the process by a demonstration of how you were begotten. This is done by making you identifying with the death and resurrection of Jesus.

Can you even receive the teachings? You who reject the Scriptures for false doctrines? I pray I'm not casting precious jewels to swines. May God give you a heart that extolls the Word of God above all else. Here is what the Scriptures say about water baptism:

Romans 6:3-4:

"Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life."

That new life is the result of the new birth. The born again experience.

Colossians 2:12:

"having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead."

When you're buried in water, you're identifying yourself with the burial of Christ. You're buried with Him. Being buried in water means "I am buried with Christ." Being taken out of water means "I am resurrected with Christ." I have a new life in Christ. My old life has passed away. I now live a resurrected life. I have been reborn. I am born again.

The identification with Christ's burial and resurrection seals your born again experience in that you have buried your old nature, and have resurrected a new nature in Christ. This essentially is a symbolic representation of what happened in the Spirit the day you gave your life to Christ after hearing the WORD of God.

That does not mean people who never had a chance to be baptized cannot enter the kingdom of God. The main prerequisite for entering the Kingdom of God is to be born of the Word of God which is both Spirit and Water.

1Peter 1:23 says ONLY the Word of God makes you born again.

Is God's Word Both Spirit and Water

Let's hear from the Word of God directly:

1. Word of God as Spirit

John 6:63:

"The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are Spirit and life."

Ephesians 6:17:

"Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God."


1 Corinthians 3:6 says "...our sufficiency is if God who has made us able ministers of New Testament. Not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter killeth, but the Spirit giveth life."


2. Word of God as Water

Ephesians 5:26:

"...to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,"

In John 15:3, Jesus said "Ye are cleansed through the Word that I have spoken unto you." The Word is the same water of cleansing.

In Revelation, John always hear God or Jesus speak like the sound of rushing waters. Revelation 1:15.

There are mysteries of salvation that you need to know. Please leave that deceptive organization and come learn from the Master- the Lord Jesus Christ in whom all Wisdom dwells.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ it's OK if you don't know there is nothing to be ashamed about.😟

My friend, if you love your hypocrisy, you should own it loudly. That's a more honoring path.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you gotten a shot and precise response for the question?

Once you quote my words back at me, I'll then reply you accordingly.

Truthseeker10:
1)Explain John 14:28.

King James Bible
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Am I not greater than my manifestation. However, I and my manifestatio are one. Can't you see?

2)Explain John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me

That's unity and fellowship. Not oneness in essence

Go and study the Greek scriptures apart, and you'll understand that when Jesus says "I am my Father are one" He meant essence. When He spoke of the oneness between The Father, Himself and the Disciples, He meant unity and fellowship.

Or, why do you think the Jews picked up stones claiming Jesus was calling Himself God for saying He and His Father are one?

3)Explain Revelation 3:21.

King James Bible
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

The Father is the real Person. The Son is the Manifestation of that real Person. Both the real and manifestatio can occupy the same space.

All these do not erase the facts of God's triune existence from the Bible. They do eradicate the questions I asked you to ask:

1. How come God and the Lamb sit on the same throne in Revelation 5.

2. How come the 24 elders and all creatures worship God and the Lamb?

3. How come God is said to be from Everlasting, and Jesus is also said to be from Everlasting?

4. How come God and the Lamb are the Light (not Lights) of the new Jerusalem? Why is there one Light from both of them instead of two lights?

5. How come the Scriptures say "...but unto the Son He saith, "Thy throne oh God is from everlasting to everlasting...'

6. How come Yahweh is a Rock and Jesus is a Rock?

7. How come the Son that would be born is called "Everlasting Father" according to Isaiah?

8. How come Yahweh is the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Isaiah, and Jesus is also the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last in the book of Revelation?

9. How come Jesus calls Himself "The Almighty" in the book of Revelation?

10. How come everyone in the book of Revelation worship God and the Lamb but both God and the Lamb worship nobody? The Lamb is worshipped but He worships nobody throughout the Bible.

MaxInDHouse:
I cut off unnecessary stories.

For instance you said:



That is taken.

Now what is Born of Spirit in just one sentence?🙂

Quote everything I said. If you call the Bible unnecessary stories, it's your palava. I quoted the Bible and you cut off everything l, calling them unnecessary stories.

Meanwhile Jesus reigning as king in 1914 and Jesus being angel Michael is reasonable story to you? Can't you see something is wrong somewhere?

MaxInDHouse:
I hate stories just say few words and let us see the scripture to back it not long epistle!

I also hate hypocrisy. Why cut off my words?

Include my words without reading them from my mentions and I'll answer you with the same scriptures and more again with kindergarten explanations so you can understand.

MaxInDHouse:
Quote the scripture that's all!🙂

Quote what I wrote. I'll quote the scriptures again.

MaxInDHouse:
This is straightforward what as all the disciples of Christ were first BAPTIZED IN WATER.

Now what is born of SPIRIT.
I hate the merry go round tactics just straight up to the point.

You quote the merry go round tactics and I'll answer you. I won't repeat myself several times.

And water baptism is not the main factor of being born of water. Infact water baptism has its own different purpose that make the new birth complete.

The Word is the actual factor in the new birth experience. Water baptism completes it my making you identify with the death and resurrection of Jesus

When you're buried in water, you're identifying yourself with the burial of Christ. Being buried in water means "I am buried with Christ." Being taken out of water means "I am resurrected with Christ."

The identify tuition with Christ's burial and resurrection seals your born again experience in that you have buried your old nature, and have resurrected a new nature in Christ. This essentially is a symbolic representation of what happened in the Spirit the day you gave your life to Christ.

That does not mean people who never had a chance to be baptized cannot enter the kingdom of God. The main prerequisite for entering the Kingdom of God is to be born of the Word of God which is both Spirit and Water.

1Peter 1:23 says ONLY the Word of God makes you born again.