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greggng:
Doesn't dual citizenship amount to disqualification . You go explain tire ...

No not dual citizenship but voluntary acquisition of dual citizenship while renouncing your Nigerian citizenship.i can't get tired of explaining sense into dumbidients

aswani:
If this certificate issue is what IPOBidient's were saying Atiku knows about President Tinubu that will unseat him because they have shared dark secrets, then once again IPOBidient's are going to suffer some more heavy dissapointment (which that stiff necked group should be used to by now).

My prayer for President Tinubu is that he doesn't see how easy it has been to conquer the menace off Obidients and decide not to work hard for us as Nigerians as there is no opposition to keep him on his toes.

A clear well explained article by the SAN, thanks for sharing garfield1.

Most people esp dumbidients don't share your thoughts

DMerciful:
This is what the corrupt justices sent to your whatsapp group to be sharing so when they deliver similar judgement, it will conform to the narrative of certain part of the public

Can you actually fault this anslysis

greggng:
I have a simple question for you .
David lyon of balyesa was removed office by supreme Court over inconsistencies in the certificate of his deputy ...not his own certificate . It was judged that there ticket us joint ticket and what affects one affects the other . In this case now the csu said the A in tinubu name stands for Ahmed but the nysc says is adekunle . .They have since updated his wikilipidia account to include adekunle... Doesn't this amount to inconsistency in document?

Secondly...The tribunal dismissed a case of dual citizenship against tunubu in the ground that his Guinea citizenship was honorary and expires when the passport expires. Right now the cdu certificate tinubu us parading has American black citizen with social security as the owner . This amount to lieing on oath . Tell me if this doesn't amount to disqualification?

The supreme court has departed from that Lyon case.they have a new law on forgery now
Concerning adekunle,the supreme court has ruled on similar cases stating that it is simply name variations.again,atiku should have called NYSC to testify.
The ssn on tinubu transcript from CSU is correct,that one on the transcript from Daley college is wrong.in those day,there was no provision for Africans but black Americans or others.tinubu is in order

OkCornel:
Technicality outweighs the merit of the case. We already know how the judiciary works in Nigeria.

Nothing new here

No technicality here.atiku failed to follow the right procedure

Believeintruth:
you don't have sense

you are referring to yourself and atiku

Cc tesppidd,aswani,zoedew, litigator

koiki4bat:

Taylor and xcape won't like this

Atiku will fail colossally

slivertongue:
new evidence regardless. GCL is a forgery. Supreme Court is supreme to Nigeria but not supreme to what is in the open on the international stage. It's a shame to all of us.

Which one is gcl? It is forgery only if the court declares so

A SNEAK PREVIEW OF WHAT THE SUPREME COURT WILL DO.

DISCUSS.

FROM A SAN'S BIRD'S-EYE-VIEW

PRESIDENT TINUBU'S CERTIFICATE AND THE CHALLENGES BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT.
AFTER PUBLICLY RECEIVING THE DEPOSITION FROM CHICAGO STATE UNIVERSITY (CSU), ATIKU HAS FILED SAME AT THE SUPREME COURT.

*CHALLENGES* *AHEAD*

1. THE SUPREME COURT IS A COURT OF APPEAL FROM JUDGEMENT OF PEPT OF 6TH SEPTEMBER, 2023 AND AS SUCH IT IS NOT A COURT OF ADMISSION OF FRESH EVIDENCE IN ELECTION MATTERS. THE PEPT WHICH IS THE EXCLUSIVE COURT TO ADMIT EVIDENCE, BE IT OLD OR FRESH IN ELECTION MATTERS, HAS HEARD ATIKU'S PETITION AND SINCE DELIVERED JUDGEMENT.

2. ATIKU THROUGH OUT THE HEARING OF HIS PETITION NEVER ADDUCED ANY DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE CHALLENGING TINUBU'S CERTIFICATE AT THE PEPT. HE IS THEREFORE APPARENTLY FORECLOSED FROM BRINGING ANY EVIDENCE, WHETHER "FRESH " OR "OLD" TO THE SUPREME COURT, IN AN ELECTION MATTERS WHICH IS TIME BOUND.

3. AND THE QUESTION IS: EVEN IF IN THE UNLIKELY EVENT, THE DEPOSITION IS ADMITTED, OF WHAT LEGAL CONSEQUENCE WILL SAME BE TO PRESIDENT TINUBUS'S PRESIDENCY? ABSOLUTELY NONE!!! THE ISSUE AT STAKE IS FORGERY, WHICH IS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE. ATIKU HAS TO PROVE BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT THAT TINUBU FORGED HIS CERTIFICATE; AND SUCH PROOF MUST BE THROUGH THE CALLING OF ORAL EVIDENCE AND NOT BY AND/OR THROUGH WITNESS DEPOSITIONS ON OATH.

4. THE SUPREME COURT IS NOT A COURT OF TRIAL AND OF TAKING ORAL EVIDENCE IN ELECTION MATTERS. ATIKU HAS TO CALL THE 'CSU' REGISTRAR AS HIS CRUCIAL WITNESS AND HE WILL HAVE TO BE CROSS EXAMINED BY TINUBU'S COUNSEL.

5. BASED ON THE DECISION IN 'IKIE V SHERIFF, ATIKU HAS TO ALSO PRODUCE BEFORE THE SUPREME COURT, THE REAL PERSON (A FEMALE ACCORDING TO HIM), WHO HE CLAIMS PRESIDENT TINUBU STOLE THE IDENTITY OF, ON THE SAID CERTIFICATE.

6. THE LAW IS AXIOMATIC ABOUT THE FACT THAT THERE CANNOT BE A CRIMINAL TRIAL AND CONVICTION, WITHOUT FIRST HEARING ORAL EVIDENCE FROM THE PARTIES; AND NEEDLESS TO ADD THAT THE SUPREME COURT IS NOT THE ARENA TO HEAR ORAL EVIDENCE.

7. CONVERSELY THEN CAN ATIKU INSTITUTE CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS AGAINST TINUBU IN A REGULAR COURT OVER THIS ISSUE? YES,
ATIKU COULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO INITIATE A PRIVATE PROSECUTION AGAINST TINUBU, AS IT IS OBVIOUS THE LAGOS STATE GOVERNMENT WILL NEVER PROSECUTE PRESIDENT TINUBU EVEN IF THE CERTIFICATE WAS FORGED. HOWEVER, AFTER GANI FAWEHINMI'S BOLD EFFORTS TO OBTAIN A FIAT TO PRIVATE PROSECUTION OF ALI AKILU AND TOGUN, OVER DELE GIWA'S DEATH IN 1986, THE LAGOS STATE GOVERNMENT HAD EXPUNGED THAT RIGHT FROM HER LAWS.

8. EVEN IF, FOR ACADEMIC PURPOSE, ATIKU OBTAINS A FIAT TO PRIVATELY PROSECUTE TINUBU IN A REGULAR COURT, THE QUESTION IS: WILL SAME HAVE JURISDICTION TO TRY SUCH A MATTER? THE CONSTITUTION HAS GIVEN PRESIDENT TINUBU (IMMEDIATELY HE WAS SWORN IN), IMMUNITY AGAINST ANY CIVIL OR CRIMINAL PROCEEDINGS AND THAT NO WRIT OR SUMMONS CAN BE SERVED ON HIM UNTIL AFTER THE EXPIRATION OF HIS FOUR YEAR TENURE. SO, NOTHING LEGAL CAN BE DONE TO REMOVE PRESIDENT TINUBU, EVEN IF HE FORGED THE SAID CERTIFICATE.

*QUO VADIS*
THE ISSUE AT STAKE IS PURELY LAW AND LAW ONLY! IT IS THUS NOT A SOCIAL MEDIA AFFAIR. THE LAW REQUIRES PROOF BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT AND LAYS DOWN RULES AND PROCEDURES FOR THE ADMISSION OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE A MATTER. IF YOU FAIL TO STRICTLY FOLLOW THOSE RULES, AND ESPECIALLY IN AN ELECTION (A TIME- BOUND MATTER), YOU WILL LOSE YOUR CASE NO MATTER HOW GOOD SAME WAS OR IS.

THUS THE QUESTION ARISES AT THIS JUNCTURE, WHY DID ATIKU NOT PRESENT THIS CRUCIAL EVIDENCE FROM THE DATE THAT TINUBU SUBMITTED HIS FORM TO INEC. WHY WAIT TILL AFTER THE PEPT DELIVERED JUDGEMENT?

THAT 'CARSUS OMMISUS' (OR 'COSTLY OVERSIGHT') IS ATIKU'S SELF INFLICTED LEGAL NEMESIS. IT IS THEREFORE LIKELY TO BE A QUICK ONE FROM THE SUPREME COURT. A VERY QUICK ONE!

DISSEMINATION BY: DR MUDIAGA ODJE, SAN OFR, CENTRE FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF THE RULE OF LAW.


Additionally,atiku introduced the forgery and also the citizenship case at the tribunal out of time so it is dead on arrival.
Secondly, according to rule2 (12) of the supreme court,there are three conditions for accepting new evidences
1) as at the time of the trial,the evidence could not have been available or was not in existence...(this settles the matter as the evidence could have even been gotten last year or long ago)

2) it must be necessary and cogent.
3) it must be incontrovertible ( obviously it is not incontrovertible)



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Atiku in the mud

slivertongue:
the supreme Court didn't fill GCL. It will stick regardless

Nothing will stick son.the new evidence will not even be admitted

slivertongue:
supporters of APC doing everything to deflate the shame of Tinubu's forgeries on them.

The apex court will trash atiku

Ofcourse the apex court will trash the lame old evidence that is if it escapes the admittance hurdles

BluntCrazeMan:
Continue.
Don't ever stop

You are incorrigible

BluntCrazeMan:
Past is Past.

Getting The Best Out Of Every Present Situation Is My Discuss,, While We Keep Pressing For The Ideal Situation In Times To Come.

Or,, are you missing my point?

You are missing the point.you made a bad and misleading comment to mislead gullible fellows.i just want to correct you.
Besides,the law allows only for manual collation.inec is not the problem but desperate politicians

BluntCrazeMan:
You can rant all you want.
Collation is going to be Manual.
We have accepted that.

Why are you arguing again?
What exactly are you even saying again?

Collation has been manual all along.irev,bvas snapping and uploading is targeted to make transmission electronic not collation as you think.the contention in these past elections and even in the upcoming polls is about transmission not collation.

ivandragon:
If Atiku ever becomes president, rest assured that he will also be called to account.

For now, who is BAT?

Let us finish with atiku first

Spy360:
So who gave Enahoro-Ebah the certificate he got on subpeona?

If Tinubu being a student of CSU cannot get a replacement certificate how did Enahoro Ebah get the original copy?

If I am with the original copy of your certificate, it means whatever you have is fake.

Forgery is beyond mere discrepancies in certificates.it is also about the intendment and cause of action,that is actues reus and mens rea.did it give him undue advantage? Without the certificate,was he a graduate as specified by the constitution? Even if it is forged,would he still be qualified by mere virtue of being a graduate? Yes.
A clear case of forgery is the case of kemi.she forged exemption letter without ever applying for it nor attending nysc.infact,if CSU said tinubu never graduated or never attended CSU,he is finished.in a criminal case,once there is an iota of doubt,it is resolved in favour of the respondents.there are two ways of getting replacement,from CSU or third parties.all atiku needed is to find out which one to get a conclusive evidence.

BluntCrazeMan:
They said that the Collation of the Election Results for the IMO, KOGI, AND BAYELSA is going to be Manual.


So, let's prepare fully for a MANUAL Election far ahead of time.

I am disappointed at and in you.collatuon has always been manual na,no provision in the law for electronic.what they actually meant was that transmission will be manual for bayelsa alone.if you don't understand simple electoral gymnastics,that means you know nada like other obidients.accreditation is electronic,voting is manual, transmission two phased and collation manual.

Nchenches:
Your analysis of possible votes/support for Hope Uzodinma next governorship election in Orlu zone of Imo state is like analysis from one who smokes weeds in Oshogbo.
Hope Uzodinma destroyed Orlu and other LGAs in the zone, cause the unknown gunmen murder of hundreds of young people in Orlu zone in 4 years. Uzodinma will not win 0.5% of votes in Orlu senatorial zone if the election is conducted here in free and fair terms.

It will not be free and fair,you know this

vicdom:
Ohere had 52k, Natasha had 51k, so how come it was 150k? While in Kogi east, Echocho had 108k, while victor had 81k. So you can see that east produced 200k votes, while central produced just 100k

Am talking of presidential which had more votes

vicdom:
Lol... You don't know what you are saying. Which Kogi central had 135k? Lol... Check again please

Yes I just calculated

MyMouth:
I did not vote for anyone in that election, believe it or not.

You were here bitterly campaigning against bello.apc will win using kogi west votes

iokpebholo:
Himself and Asue ighodalo are assholes that are very useless.He only won the last election because Obaseki imposed senator Odia for a third term under PDP and esan people hate third term with passion. senate seat is rotational between former Agbazilo and Okpebholo local government with a senator from each zone going for a maximum of two terms each.

If he is useless,we can bring hon odion,col imuse or prof osunbor.both central and south will divide but apc takes Edo north

vicdom:
No need to debate much. Let's stake 50k each, and let us pay to Kyase. If Ododo wins at the end of the day, you win. But if Muri wins, I take the whole stake.

From the last polls kogi east had 180,000 voters,kogi central 135,000.by the time bello suppresses votes in igala,it will be at par.then apc defeats sdp in kogi west and it's over

Taylor92:
Tinubu is the desperate one here


With all the huddles and evidences against him this man is still power intoxicated


Causing sane Nigerians an international embarrassment


Chicago most wanted certificate thief

Atiku that has been contesting since 1992 isn't desperate?

Spy360:
If people will vote for Hope then why would you believe that he would rig? You have confirmed my assertions.

The SC ruling is time barred and it's 60days after the PEPT. So by Nov 6 there should be a ruling.

Whether people vote hope or not,he will still rig in order to be assured.

Atiku and obi filed on the 20 Sept as the 60 days starts from date of filing

onuman:
Methinks, the judge in Timpiriye Silva ruled out Timpiriye Silva because Timpiriye had been sworn in as governor and if he gets another 4 years, he miay go for 8 years, therefore, exceeding the mandatory 8 years as governor of Bayelsa state.

Your thinking is of no relevance

Spy360:
CSU denied issuing the certificate. It's there in their deposition. That one is very clear.

As for graduation, that's not the issue for contention.

They did not deny it.they said they can't certify it since it is not before them but certs are ceremonial in USA and that replacement are usually from third hand vendors which is legal there and casts doubts over forgery.for forgery to be proven totally,the school must deny that he graduated or clearly say that only them can issue certs not outsiders.atiku lawyers did not do enough fortunately.

vicdom:
Which Ebira votes will cancel Igala votes?? Just go and look at the just concluded general election. Ebira barely produced around 20% of the votes, while Igala votes were nearing 50%. The votes produced in the Kogi East senatorial district were more than the votes produced in the west and central senatorial district election put together. That should give you an overview how much population the East has.

I am not arguing about that but ebiras turnout more in local elections than igalas just like in 2019.in 2023,there was nothing much at stake.ebiras hate igalas more than igalas hate ebiras.almost all ebiras are with ododo.he is the only ebira contesting.ebira will cooperate and bring 50k from okene,30k from ajaokuta,adavi,20k from okehi and 10,000 from ogori.but many igalas are not too keen in the election.you can see the several igala candidates to show you that they are not united.a lot of igala people will collect money and betray ajaka.rhey are many fifth columnists in igala land.they are far more liberal than the radical and hardened ebiras
The largest lgas in igala is ankpa,Idaho and dekina and yahaya will suppress their votes as usual,you know this.this will make igala votes equal to ebira votes.pdp is still strong in kogi east so many will vote pdp alongside apc.tjeres no way anaka will get bloc
The decider will be kogi west.abejide is pro apc and might collapse his campaign for apc at the dying minutes and even if he doesn't,apc will beat sdp in all the 7 lgas of Kogi west massively which will give apc victory.by the way,ebiras are also indigenous to koton karfe and lokoja.