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Every time I visit any blog online, it's always the Ibo people I see thumping their chests and reeling off their achievements

As successful as America and Americans are, I've never come across, seen or heard of anyone from the states trying so hard to prove to the rest of us who they are or are truly worth. Scratch the rappers and we all know why

Its getting sickening these days and nauseating.

I've seen and met successful people from other tribes that don't engage in chest beating. Can you up guys just spare us? If you're successful, rich, famous or powerful, you won't go on and o about it. I've come to realize that empty barrels make the most noise. And to all the Ibo guys that have displayed a whole lotta maturity on this platform, I must say that I admire your disposition and hope these underachievers on the loose will take a cue from you.

If Nigeria will break, it will and which region turns out the most successful is not for you to determine on this platform.

Just voicing an opinion

EzeUche: I find Non-Eastern people and Igbos themselves do not know who supports who in the East.

The majority of Ijaw do not support Biafra, even though a few Ijaw clans did support Biafra. They see the Igbos as a threat to their dominance of the Niger Delta. And consider themselves the 4th largest group even thogh the Ibibio/Annang/Efik would be the 4th largest group if they were united. But their divisions are worse than the divisions between the hinterland Igbos and the Igbos closer to the coast. And it has nothing to do with oil.

The Ibibios would join the Igbo, but the Efik are wary of Igbos. Annang are 50/50. I know how Ibibios feel about the Igbo as many of you already know because I am half Ibibio.

Efik and Annang could be persuaded to join Biafra along with other Niger Deltan groups who fear Ijaw expansions which is REAL.

Someone in the ND once said, ''my own is not the same thing as our own". Speak for yourself and not other tribes. It's amazing that the same people you are saying will go with you are screaming blue murder on this same thread! How sad.

pazienza: Those groups i mentioned are tribes that form the igbo nation,igbo nation is like the ancient israel,it's a nation with many tribes. Those groups i mentioned don't have identity crises. Ogba,ekpeye and ikwerre do have identity crises,that's why i said they are 50-50.

Ijaw would become a majority in the phantom niger delta,and since the uniting factor of that phantom nation would be oil,what would happen to those non oil producing communities,maybe they would be termed parasites.

You clearly don't understand anything about osu caste system,a non igbo cannot be an osu,and moreover,people don't observe osu caste system again. Ndiigbo have respect for our non igbo ,considering our size,if we had domineering and conquer spirit in us,we would have united long ago,and i don't think the white man would have met the ibibio,efiks and annangs,as we would have colonized and igbonized them long ago. But we are republicans,and that's the reason they all survived,and that's not going to change.

We have blood relation with our efik,ibibio and annang brothers,some of our mothers are from there,and some of them are sons of igbo women. The current first ladies of akwaibom and cross river states are igbo women. We are good for each other. What the gods have joined together,let no man put assunder

I like your spirit. Keep dreaming but it will be wise of you to consult those communities because while I was with Shell, everyone from those communities you mentioned vehemently deny being Ibo but the sooner you put up with that reality, the better for you

It is the same relationship you guys have with them that Yorubas have with the Bini and Itshekiri people but we are not forcing them to come with us. Kilode? They don't wanna be with you. Na by force? I have an Ikwerre friend I just showed this post and he is still ranting angrily at the thought of Biafra counting on their support. He said after the civil war, they have learned their lessons and will not want to have anything to do with you.

The Efiks, Ibibios and Annangs have consistently denied you and they always will. You're just a dreamer. Biafra is landlocked. Live with it

I thought these Ibo boys online are educated. You may wanna ask any of your extended relatives that work in the O&G industry whether or not there are oil deposits in Lagos, Ogun and Ondo?

And if you care to know, the emphasis here is not on natural resources which we have in abundance but in the human resources that abound. Consult your history books and blogs and find out how we did it in the Western Region, building a clan that was at least a hundred years ahead of the rest

Anyway now that you have oil in your landlocked region, can you go and prospect and quit hating Nigeria's most progressive and prosperous tribe on this blog

pazienza: South south is but an artificial creation and not an ethnic group. Ndoki people in rivers state and akwa ibom will join their kin and kiths in abia state to form biafra,likewise asa people in rivers state. Ndoni people in rivers state and anioma in delta state will join their brothers in ogbaru anambra state.Egbema will be reunited, I reckon etche will join us too. Ikwerre,ogba and ekpeye is 50-50.

On the issue of cross river,they are now non oil producing,and they share nothing in common with ijaws and the rest, i reckon biafra will be good for them and us. Akwaibom is now oil rich,their case might be a little bit complex,but because biafra is not going to run nigerian system of government,i don't see them not being with us.

Ndiigbo can do it alone or with akwaibom and crossriver,either way,we would be fine.

And if they say they don't wanna go with you nko? Wll you force them? What you have failed to realize is that these towns you mentioned will rather go the way of the Nigeria Delta. They will rather find relevance in a nation populated by small ethic groups without any dominant majority than become a minority tribe in Biafra. Have you ever thought of that? Just take it or leave it, Biafra is a landlocked state

Now the big question is ... Is it the people you have constitently referred to as Osu or outcasts that you now so passionately want to be part of you? Don't be illusioned. It will never happen

pazienza: South east is not the same thing as igboland and biafra. South east might be landlocked,but igboland is not landlocked.South east is not the same thing as igboland and biafra. South east might be landlocked,but igboland is not landlocked.

Here we go again. Poking your noses into other people's land. Rivers, Cross River and Akwa Ibom have said they will not join Biafra. Why is that hard to take? Even the so-called Ibo speaking tribes of Rivers State have consistently said they are not Ibos. And you may wanna take a tour of the entire eastern coastline from Delta to CrossRivers and notice and that it's predominantly populated by the Ijaws and not Ibos. Even if there are small pockets of Ibo speaking communities, they are not large enough to build a jetty. How much more a port?

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And if you think Yorubaland is devoid of natural resources, you had better think again and look at Ondo, Ogun and Lagos (Epe and Badagry), where large deposits of oil have been discovered apart from bitumen, gold, limestone ati be be lo

However, that us by the way, our rich human resource base will be our biggest asset

bashr8: where you trying to sound smart? anyway smart people already understand my point, your on your own if you still dontget it.

Well I didn't realize you are such a slowpoke so I'll break down what I meant.

An underemployed person doesn't quality as a unemployed person. So my point is that the unemployment rate can be low but because their income is low, the poverty rate is still substantial.

So now that you've given us the poverty figure for Ousn, can you also post that of Enugu? And why are you now basing your argument in stats when you wrote earlier that they arent objective?

bashr8: i just visited the website , its just funny , looks like something that was just forged , example they claimed kwara state have an unemployment rate of 7percent but poverty rate of 61percent

http://www.nigerianstat.gov.ng/information/details/Kwara


like i said this statistics is false and very misleading .

There is employment and underemployment. Find out what the difference is then we can continue this discussion

bashr8: By VINCENT UJUMADU

AWKA— THE minister of National Planning and Vice Chairman of the National Planning Commission, Dr. Shamsudeen Usman, yesterday said in Awka that Anambra was one of the few states in the country with the lowest level of unemployment. He attributed the situation to the entrepreneurial capability of the people of the state.

Speaking during the flag –off of the Gross Domestic Product, GDP, computation in Nigeria, for the South East geo-political zone, the minister said with about 10% unemployment rate, Anambra was one of the least among the 36 states in the country.

According to him, “the reason is not far–fetched because the people of the state are very resourceful, adding that rather than continue to seek employment, they are mainly employers of labour”.

The three major cities in the state which are Onitsha, Awka and Nnewi have great potentials for economic transformation of the country. While Onitsha is well known for commerce, Awka and Nnewi are famous for black smiting and industrial development respectively.”

The minister described Anambra State Integrated Development Strategy, ANIDS, policy as similar to the federal government’s Transformation Agenda and explained that he would study the operation of ANIDS because it had helped to fast track the development of the state.

He said: “We don’t have objective statistics in this country because we don’t have objective data for measuring economic activities. What often happens is that a governor with goodwill in the media usually gets favourable assessment as a great performer, which is wrong. It is not clear how the media arrive at such assessment since there can only be an accurate statistics if there is available accurate data.”

The Minister explained that the choice of Awka for the flag off of the GDP computation project for the South East was in recognition of the leadership qualities of Governor Peter Obi who he noted had demonstrated commitment to sound economic management, accountability and transparency.

This is comedy. Does it show a breakdown of the states? Besides the NPC Chairman is not Dr. Usman but Festus Odimegwu. I need a breakdown state by state. Kindly visit the website of the Nigerian Bureau of Statistcs and review their methods and you will see tha without bias, the bureau has been reeling out close to accurate stats for over a year now. You're lucky it's a Sunday. I usually don't have this much time, especially for discussions that dont hold water like this one with you

bashr8: i will do just that , am stil looking for it .the same statistics claimed theres more poverty in the south than the north.

More poverty in the south than the west

Besides what I asked for is the news of cancellation of last year's statistics. Now it's the poverty index. Oya search for it now, I'm waiting unless you wanna doctor a report

Tittos: Its funny how u have attribute Aregbesola to the low unemployment rate..if they had said the unemployment rate is high then it becomes pdp's fault.but u forgot Aregbesola has only stayed a year and cant have redused it to 3% in just a year

He couldn't have reduced it to 3% in one year you say. So now tell us what the figure was pre-Aregebsola?

bashr8: guys that 2011 statistics was cancelled by the federal government it had soo many wrong statistics so they pulled it back ,the new one is yet to be released so stop quoting it , it wasd the same statistics elrufai used.

Must you lie? Kindly post a link breaking the news where it was cancelled.

Just to clear the air, GDP is not and does not include monetary transfers but a direct measurement of total cost of commerce, like turnover of a company. An indicator of the standard of living is the per capita which measures average income over a period.

Must you argue with facts and figures without any basis? You should and can only argue when you have conducted a research on your own which proves the contrary.

Well he was just saying it as it is and must these guys always tie everything Nigerian to scams?

otokx: Keep encouraging yourselves by yourselves.

lol

Consoling should be more like it.

There are opportunities in UK I agree but certainly not as much as there used to. Take away the insecurity and infrastructural challenges, which in themselves represent another platform of opportunities, Nigeria is the virgin land of great and unharnessed potentials

O ma Shey O!

Shaking my head in pity

J12: Showing you the living conditions of the "employed" osun indigenes.

You never cease to amuse me. A proactive state government decides to do a structural assessment of all houses and comes up with a position. Do you have a problem with that? Must they wait till the buildings collapse? The structural integrity of a building is not determined by its aesthetics and what percentage of the houses in Osun were affected if I may ask?

J12: Statistical report my foot! Does that look like an objective statistic to you? GTFOH jor

Okay it is not objective. Then go and do your own. Illusioned dunce.

J12: 38846 houses not habitable in osun state

http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/44369-38846-houses-not-habitable-in-osun-govt-may-relocate-148000-living-in-those-buildings

Just tell me exactly what this has to do with the thread.

J12: Ol'boy, how is it possible that Osun state has an unemployment rate of 3 percent? Its a simple question.

Because there's a statistical report just in case you didn't notice. You can carry out your own research and come up with your position and also let us know how you arrived at it. Until then, you just have to live with the bitter truth

Yeske!:
^^
You forgot GDP calculation includes monetary transfers that may or may not affect the living standard of the inhabitants, Equitorial Guinea comes to mind. Despite having a GDP per capita close to those of high income countries, is still poorer than even Nigeria in every parameter measurable. HDI is a better measure. Go figure.
The NBS stat you cited has been discussed on this forum and others so not relevant as you even believe the 3% unemployment rate for Osun state, citizens of the state Will be shocked to the bone reading that.

I will respond when I get a better argument. For now, I won't dignify your post

manchy7531: you get sense at all?what do they have in osun that is employing them? let's not talk about the fact that they are lazy and not enterprising like their eastern counterpart. unless you want to tell me that okada riding,bus driving and armed robbery are employing 80% of their population.by the way am based in osun,so i know osun very well.

looking at it from another angle,if true they clam that osun has 3% unemployment the it is a way of proving that osun has very low population which truly it does but fake statistics in Nigeria will always say otherwise

Yet another dumb and illusioned post. At least being a bus or taxi cycle rider shows they are employed. Check statistics and tell me which tribe comes tops in robberies and fraud inside and outside Nigeria. Ode

And just in case you're not schooled enough to realize, employment stats don't count vices as 'employment'

And why are you based in Osun and not Anambra if there are more opportunities there. You just shot your dumb self on the foot with that

kettykin: If Biafra had worked Biafra would have been very close to what South Africa is today, the Arew would have been closed to what Sudan/Somalia is today with the Middle belt seeking a UN mandate to free them selves from the Liability called the Core North.
The Odua would have been close to where Ivory coast is today with the Odua country fighting Civil war and requiring the support of Britain or france to settle the fight and living off cheap cocoa , kolanut exports UN aid and handout from the rich western countries.

Biafra would have been a world player in business, manufacturing,economy, sports, Technology , Military peace keeping and the second biggest economy in Africa aside South Africa.
The problem really is not why Nigeria trembles on hearing igbo secession, but what igbos are going to do about this tribal inferiority complex of other Nigerians.
I just realised that Nigerians are ready to accept any other group be it the core north or the Oduduwa people or even the Niger Delta opting out , infact Arewa hope and prays that Yorubas will seccede while the yorubas keep asking Arewa to seccede except the muslims and hoping for a southern Nigeria country which for now is not feasible.

i am still wondering how the Hausa/Fulani and yorubas found them selves in the position of National Liabilities who have taken from Nigeria more than they can ever contribute (contibuting only criticism of the Govt)while the SS has become the Nations only financial Asset with the Igbos being at a mid point between National asset and Liability while the Middle belters are Potential Assets but presently Liabilities

Okay that didn't happen. Nigeria didn't divide but why is the South West more like South Africa than the South East 40 years after?

Why do all indices of development show that he South West is more developed than any other region?

J12: Funny statistics and statisticians. How do you expect me to believe that Oyo has a lower unemployment rate than Anambra or Abia? And why should Osun have the lowest unemployment rate at an unbelievable 3 percent, that's madness!

It's now madness because you didn't see what you were anticipating right?

If you're in doubt, you can write the NBS or conduct your own private research and I bet it won't be any different if you're objective about it

ezeagu: Yeah GDP, cool, go and compare the GDP calculations of Nigeria and Ireland, or India and Norway, even the US and the Netherlands, or Nigeria and Barbados, a small island the size of a south eastern state of Nigeria, or Nigeria to Luxembourg and Liechtenstein, the size of some Nigerian towns, or Monaco, the size of a village and then come and report your theory proven by the High HDI by GDP.

In the mean time I'll leave you with these:

http://www.measuredhs.com/pubs/pdf/GF15/GF15.pdf

www.oerafrica.org/ResourceDownload.aspx?assetid">https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:wgJfRD3S_0QJ:www.oerafrica.org/ResourceDownload.aspx?assetid%3D969%26userid%3D-1+poverty+rate+nigeria+south+east+south+west+north+west&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgMqrnvyzigPMw7ADJUAAX9UBCi9Mis6NmqhlNFCX96QXgaQ9GxeFjj4EtXhx3yDI0puOMh7Py8Duz1yy6inJvQuMchj1Yq4uyfnVXtPtrKlRx2yhXSMD4XxUcclS7WUg89Rf3Z&sig=AHIEtbRRm-XXz0Vf9-3sPoBMW2yrZfFsnQ&pli=1

Unfortunately most of your links weren't opening and I've read those reports before and like I said, the HDI will measure other factors like life expectancy and education which are directly related to the quality of healthcare and educational infrastructure which is currently over stretched in the South West as we speak, due to the influx of people into the region.

You may wanna read a recent report on the unemployment rate in Nigeria from the NBS which I just stumbled on this morning below:

https://www.nairaland.com/1016093/statistics-bauchi-zamfara-niger-top

ezeagu: The issue with these discussions is that people bring up billionaires and millionaires to demonstrate the wealth of their region. The billionaires in Hausa and Yoruba land are much more than those in Igbo land and they control many large and important companies, but (and this a big but) there are so much more millionaires in Igbo land and there's much less poverty, whether rural or urban, and there is a wider and more stable 'middle class' which is why the HDI is high. I put this down to the Igbo egalitarian and 'rugged individualist' society where there has never been a ruling class as was and is seen in the other regions, on the other hand, the other regions had a more organised governing than the Igbo.

Oga you keep mentioning HDI. I've posted the GDP figures for Nigerian states which is a critical ingredient in the measure of HDI. The other parameters are Education and Life Expectancy. You may wanna read up before your next post

Da infamous: ^^^^
so if oyo state GDP is higher than any igbo state, so why do you have so much poverty rate and poor infrastructure higher than south east?where is the money?does it benefit you personally,because i can say yes"am benefiting from chemical dealers in onisha main market and is a huge market over there,and these guy can drop 30k pounds equivalent to 6.2 million naira in my account in advance just for part payment, trust is what make things easy which in yorobe clans you dont really trust yourselves' or care for one another. Am not being mouthy but if your majority is poor in your region by "economics"either their is no wealth's generating from that land or the elites are busy stealing only for themselves and their children,basically the wealth is not going round which means the wealth is in the hands of few!all these things, is what you need to looking into as a human being,not bragging about something you absolutely dont benefit in...

Tomorrow when you see an igbo man with his mansion you will say is blood money!but is simple logistic is lacking in your society...

Guy be more intelligent in your posts. You pass through a state and then in your opinion you can tell the level of poverty there and because you do multimillion dollar businesses with people doesn't mean everyone in Igbo land does the same and shouldnt also mean that thousands of Yoruba people don't and so now all mansions in Nigeria are built by Igbos? And then how can you tell whether or not i benefit from the high GDP in Oyo State? Once again another illusioned view

Great idea!

Yorubas can now claim Anambra, Imo, Enugu, Abia and Ebonyi

Let's go there!

omayyi :
been to all except Ekiti and if going by what I read on fora and media, is probably the most backward. But my gawd Ibadan is one monumental embarrassment.

Really?

You may just wanna read the link below showing the classification of states in Nigeria by the GDPs which places Oyo State ahead of any Igbo state

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nigerian_states_by_GDP

omayyi :
^Geez, can you also explain to us why other SW towns are mega PHuck up. I mean apart from Lagos, which to me is actually an unlivable slum, U guys can't boast of any decent town; despite all your education.

The question is how many of them have you been to? I need specifics. Besides you need to understand what states are all about. You can't compare a Nevada to a New York.

Da infamous: u are a joker Yoruba political sophisticated i dey laugh who knows yaribas outside SW? (2) Lagos development is not Yoruba that developing Lagos where did you get the money from,federal govt, igbos and other tribes are the most contributors in Lagos you better wake up Lagos is getting money from FG plus the tax payers and most properties developers are igbos.Even lagos upon all the attention the place had receive is still a slum but no other Yoruba state is developing,you people like to lie too much is irritating, market to other tribes hahahahaha let me tell you.If you don't have business acumen the market will flop you people should watch Uganda after when the Asians left their economy went on her knees,customers will simply divert to east for business,main market onitsha can swallow any market in yaribaland go figure...

i think Yoruba and north will suffer showing by poverty rating statistic because the world knows who is holding and running Nigerians economy till date....this is not tribalism is nothing but the truth so help me GOD

You are certainly Illusioned. You many wanna pay a visit to the lands bureau where my mother retired as a director just last year and see how much of Lagos is owned by Igbos. Not even 10%. If that doesn't shock you, I will tell you that as a banker, with experience spanning over four banks, including an Igbo bank, most of the high turnovers are recorded by Hausas and Yorubas. And how on earth can you say you run the economy without controlling the key sectors? Is trading equivalent to running an economy? Who controls Banking, Manufacturing, Construction, Oil and Gas, Agriculture, Telecoms and IT? The entry barrier to trading is very low and buyers are getting wiser and your so-called acumen is now relationsjips based on trust. When surveyed. Most people are unlikely to trust Igbo people, even Igbos themselves. So tell me where your acumen is? Everyone knows trading is all all about buying from the cheapest markets and selling in the most costly ones. Are you trying to tell me that all the successful Yoruba companies I see lack business sense?You may also wanna check out the companies that pay taxes to government the most and those that evade taxes. The most tax in Lagos is generated from non-Igbo companies and multinationals (once again controlled by Yorubas) making Lagos State the most prosperous state in Nigeria at over N20bn in IGR monthly. Once again, i'm not a tribalist, because I've met and worked with some wonderful Igbo people. I really won't join issues with you because it's certain that you are living in a wild fantasy.