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MrPresident1:
His cup is no longer in our hands it is now in the hands of the oppressor

Isaiah 51:21-23
21 Therefore hear now this, thou afflicted, and drunken, but not with wine:
22 Thus saith thy Lord the Lord, and thy God that pleadeth the cause of his people, Behold, I have taken out of thine hand the cup of trembling, even the dregs of the cup of my fury; thou shalt no more drink it again:
23 But I will put it into the hand of them that afflict thee; which have said to thy soul, Bow down, that we may go over: and thou hast laid thy body as the ground, and as the street, to them that went over.

All of these doesn't make sense at all. Are you sure this God truly loves his people? why hand them over to their enemies? it makes no sense to me.

sonmvayina:
Lol..I just said Judaism and my Igbo traditional religion are similar..so I quote the tanakh,since that is what you are familiar with...the God we call Chukwu is same God the jews reverence too..just with a different name..

If that is the case and you think judaism is an authentic religion, then you are not that far from new testament christianity. Jesus wasn't against judaism per say, he only said he is their anointed one bringing the kingdom of God to them and teaching them the new ways of the kingdom. That is the major difference here, the writers of the story of jesus ( especially Mark and Matthew) considered his story as a continuation of that of jewish story leading to it's fulfillment in the grand scheme of things.

I am not saying you must accept the Christian Bible, but I'm saying for someone who considers judaism and Tanakh authentic, your constant criticism of jesus and christianity is surprising.
It's just like saying Buddhism is so false while Hinduism is authentic and true.

DeusXmachina:
God of the gaps.

This is why science and religion has clashes.

You just came to a definite conclusion on something simply because you don't have knowledge of it and filled it with God.
Let me for argument sake say God did it, but are you willing to study and research on how this God did it, or will you choose to remain in ignorance and live in your conclusion and never look for the answer?

Imagine if meteorologist and climatologist just concluded that 'God is the cause' and stopped trying to understand how rainfall occurs, clouds and weather patterns from or other branches of science and just concluded with God did it.

Humanity would had never expanded it's understanding of the world and all modern technology, science, medicine etc. will be non existent.

And a scientific explanation exists for the formation of uranium, same as the explanation for why clouds from and rainfall happens etc. and it isn't "God did it" because that answer never gets anyone anywhere.

Since when did the conclusion that God did it equate to not studying about how God did it?

MrPresident1:
Oh, children were killed , I did not know that oh. And we know that what happened in the past is a shadow of what is to come

Psalm 137:9
Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.

If I'm not mistaken both you and donnie are proposing that the jews ( blacks) have suffered all these years under slavery, torture, and death including the barbaric ethnic cleansing in Congo and the apartheid in South Africa, as well as the many years of slavery because God is purging his people ( the blacks who are original jews).
I am asking how destruction, suffering, and death, including deaths of children bring about this so called purity?

MrPresident1:
The destruction of evil

How do you destroy evil by massive killing including the killing of children?

ojaysam25:
I think you are being bias here...Portugal is not even a power house in Europe,they are like the Paraguay of south America....the likes of Germany,France,Italy,England,Belgium are way ahead of them unlike south America were Argentina are among the top 2....
Portugal won nothing in their history before the emergence of ronaldo,even the Euro16 they won was as a result of hard work rather than talent,they only won one match throughout the tournament of which ronaldo always bail them out against Hungary and Poland before he got injured in less than 30mins at the final but he still did not lie low even if no body will blame him...he still encourage the players from the touchline...
He score a brace against Sweden recently I wonder why u said he nothing in the match when he scored both goals but I can agree with you Portugal is now a better team.
see messi is great no doubt but he chicken out easily in the face of pressure unlike ronaldo who's passion and obsession with winning is second to none...

He scored two goals against Croatia, before then Portugal had already beaten Sweden 2-0 without Ronaldo.
I agree that Ronaldo is an inspiration in football.
Let's just say from an Engineer's point of view Ronaldo is a better footballer than messi, but from an Artist's point of view, messi is better than Ronaldo.

If messi was from Pakistan and by virtue of that can't win world cup, would that say anything against his quality? wasn't George weah the world best player in 1995, even though he had no chance to win even a wafu cup with Liberia? George weah hardly qualified for the African nations cup, but no one in their right senses would rate Mahrez above George weah, simply because Mahrez is an African champion.

ojaysam25:
I see no reason for this long episode....maradona is still the bestArgentine player....you made mention of messi been the highest goalscorer but only 20% of his goals came in a competitive match...even the world cup you mention he didnt score in the knockout stage...I think James Rodriguez did better with out of favor Colombia..
Messi scores an hat trick toqualify Argentina for a worldcup against Ecuador like you rightly said the likes of Pele and ronaldo did so against bigger teams...especially ronaldo hat trick against ibrahimovic Sweden.
I can bet my balls that ronaldo would have won something with this Argentina squad filled with top players...messi is a great player no doubt but he is still behind the likes of Pele,maradona and cr7 who won for their respective countries.

Ronaldo won Euro cup for his country, messi has reached a world cup final, you don't measure great players only by what they have won. You look at their artistry, how they play the game and how they score goals, stats are looked at only as icing on the cake. This is why I brought out his stats for Argentina. In the end football is a team sports. If Higuain had converted those chances in 2014 and messi won the world cup, would you still have anything against messi? would you then agree he is the best or you would bring up another argument to suit your bias?

Stats are important but they don't tell the whole story about the quality of a player.

Also you say only 20% of his goals were in official games, but still it doesn't matter, he is still their top scorer and on average Argentina faces tougher opponents than Portugal in qualifiers.
I mean let's say the truth, Messi, Pele, Maradona, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo de Lima ( before his long injury then) shows what football artistry is all about, the vision, playmaking, dribbling, and quality goals, but I must confess no one does it like messi. Ronaldo is not close, you can't use just Euro 2016 to say he is, it doesn't work out that way.
I can bet my balls messi would have won something in European national football with such an organised portugese side ( who didn't even depend on Ronaldo recently to beat Sweden).
Portugal would never lose 6-1 to Spain just because they were playing without Ronaldo, but Argentina lost 6-1 to Spain in a friendly without messi, and they depend on Messi more than Portugal depends on Ronaldo currently.

ojaysam25:
I doubt most Argentine will agree with you....he should be the greatest Argentine player before thinking of the world unlike the case of ronaldo and Pele which are undisputed GOAT in their respective countries....and yes Pele score more than that even the official goals is still more than messi and ronaldo.

What are you talking about?

Messi is Argentina's top scorer ever, has the most assists ever for Argentina and was the star man for Argentina as they reached world cup final (2014) and two copa america finals(around same period). Messi was also the best player in the 2014 world cup tournament ( Ronaldo has never been close to being considered best player of any world cup tournament). In the last 5 years, Argentina has been shit, blessed with great individual forwards but with above average defenders(you can only play 3 forwards at a time), and they have not been very good playing as a team. Messi had to deliver them on several occasions, qualifying them almost single handedly for the world cup with his hat tricks, while Portugal won the Euro finals with Ronaldo on the bench. Portugal, though not as great as Argentina, are currently more organised than Argentina.

In 2014 world cup, messi gave it all, created the chances which both Higuain and Aguero spilled, then why should messi be blamed for that? In 2018 world cup, both Messi and Ronaldo were eliminated in the second round, messi's Argentina lost 4-3 to eventual champions Frances( with messi providing 2 assists) while Portugal lost 2-0 in the second round to Uruguay, same Uruguay were destroyed by Frances in the quarter finals.
Who then had a better tournament for his team in the 2018 world cup? Note that we are talking about an Argentine team that lost 6-1 to Spain and 4-2 to Nigeria without messi in the build up friendlies to the tournament, and that had to depend on Messi in the last minutes of the qualifiers to qualify them for the world cup.

Also Portugal has played more games against the likes of Latvia,Cyprus, Faero islands, etc in qualifiers, while Argentina mostly play the likes of Colombia. Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil, in every copa America qualifier. Ronaldo has 101 goals for Portugal in all of these since 2003, while Messi who made his debut in 2005 for Argentina, playing on average more difficult games has 70 goals and a Plethora of assists.

I doubt you know much about messi's international success, it is not up to his standards and that is why people complain, but apart from winning the world cup, messi has the best stats in the history of Argentina, and they reached 2014 WC finals for the first time since 1986.

ojaysam25:
Funny question...Pele is the undisputed GOAT of football...you think is an easy feat to win 3 world cup...score thousands of goals....Pele is the greatest of all time follow by cr7,maradona and messi...

Pele only scored about 700 official goals in an era without offside and without so much football competition like today.
I don't know about Ronaldo, but Messi is definitely greater than pele. The Argentine is a true football artist blessed by the gods.

Where is donnie when you need him most? Donnie would tell you that our original religion is the Jewish religion.

sonmvayina:
You mean the free borns.... We are here.. Only slaves worship their Masters God...

Nah only person wey lost dey worship God wey no resemble am...

I thought you are a jew?

#Daejoyoung here( couldn't log into my previous account)

NeoWanZaeed:
laughing..

this is hilarious..


do you know the meaning of mushrikoon?



it means disbeliever!

you worship Human being
call human being son of creator just like the Jews called Ezra son of the creator
some among you even believe Jesu is god


the funniest part is that..

bible that you all rely on..

Jesu knows nothing about its existence.. talkless of verifying the nonsense written within

where did jews call Ezra son of God?

donnie:
Yes, and many more will still die. This is not the first... The whole world was destroyed at one time by flood and only 8 people were saved.

To what end?

truthmans2012:
Trinity is established in the Bible by Jesus himself, anyone who doesn't believe in it is not a follower of Jesus Christ.


Matthew 28:19

Jesus said: “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the FATHER , and of the SON, and of the HOLY GHOST.

Then how come in the book of Acts, the apostles only baptized in the name of jesus only?

sonmvayina:
So what's your take on the trinity ?do you subscribe to it or not?

I know this question is not directed to me but trinity as a doctrine was invented 200-300 years after the church began.
The bible speaks of jesus as the word of God who became flesh, but I simply interpret this to mean that the spirit of God was revealed fully in the person of jesus. Jesus nevertheless is a man carrying God to us. I believe my interpretation does not conflict with any part of the new testament.

donnie:
It is to purge and purify his people in preparation for His coming kingdom where they will reign right here on earth. No unclean thing shall enter in. Two-thirds of YISOLELE (ISRAEL) will perish. One third will be saved but through fire (Zechariah 13:8-9). O may YAHUAH purge us that we might be pure and wholy sanctified.

Revelation 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.[/b]

So to purge and purify his people, many have died by the sword of the enemy including children and the likes?

donnie:
They reason they couldn't document is because they were sent from one captivity to the other. As they migrated through the continent, they were captured and sold as slaves by the Moors and other Africans. They were the choice slaves because it was said that "the curse of their God is upon them". So the slaveowner was guaranteed to be successful (so to speak).

When they settled many chose to hide their identities so as not to suffer persecution. If you look closely. Many of those so-called rich cultures are ancient Hebrew customs. Even the Idolatory was practiced by our people right in Jerusalem, the reason they were driven out of their land. Just seek and you shall find. It was all prophesied.

Deuteronomy 28:32,36,45,48-49
[32]Thy sons and thy daughters shall be given unto another people, and thine eyes shall look, and fail with longing for them all the day long: and there shall be no might in thine hand.
[36]The LORD shall bring thee, and thy king which thou shalt set over thee, unto a nation which neither thou nor thy fathers have known; and there shalt thou serve other gods, wood and stone.
[45]Moreover all these curses shall come upon thee, and shall pursue thee, and overtake thee, till thou be destroyed; because thou hearkenedst not unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which he commanded thee:
[48]Therefore shalt thou serve thine enemies which the LORD shall send against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in unclothedness, and in want of all things: and he shall put a yoke of iron upon thy neck, until he have destroyed thee.
[49]The LORD shall bring a nation against thee from far, from the end of the earth, as swift as the eagle flieth; a nation whose tongue thou shalt not understand;

No other people on earth fulfil these curses but our people. There are many many more that
prove without a doubt that we're the people of the book.

So why is your God cursing his people so much like this? I mean what is the point of cursing your people to the point they can't even trace their ancestry anymore? I just don't see the point this your Jewish God ( of the black jews) is trying to prove?

So donnie why have these your black jews been suffering like this? to the extent that they've lost their history and don't know who they are anymore? I still don't know why you are bent on claiming bible culture as our own? We West Africans have rich indigenous cultures from the past, it's just that our ancestors could not document them for us or they have been lost.

Auki:
My Dear brother.

1. The creator of the Heavens and Earth is One.
2. His message to humanity is consistent: To obtain the kingdom of God is to:

Worship God alone without associating any partner, like Idols, Jesus, Mary etc, and doing and encouraging what is right and avoiding evils.

Allah guides whom He will.

But worshipping God alone is a very old message, why would God have to send thousands of prophets to earth simply because he wants to be the only one worshipped? it makes no sense to me.

Auki:
.

Quran addressed

Jesus message on Earth: and all prophets from Noah, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad is:

To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.

Jesus said:

He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He hath given me revelation and made me a prophet; And He hath made me blessed wheresoever I be, and hath enjoined on me Prayer and Charity as long as I live;
He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable "So peace is on me the day I was born, the day that I die, and the day that I shall be raised up to life (again)"! Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a statement of truth, about which they (vainly) dispute. Quran Chapter 19 verse 30:34

Allah knows best

But the bible says jesus main message was: The kingdom of God.
Jesus always talked about the kingdom of God and he being the son of man. That was the emphasis of jesus in the new testament.
As you said, prophets in time past already taught us to worship God, pray, and give charity but jesus came to teach the world about the kingdom of God specifically, if you read the bible where you can learn about jesus teachings in detail. The kingdom of God simply means God himself ruling us, and administering true justice.

motayoayinde:
HE WAS A PROPHET JUST LIKE MANY OTHERS BEFORE HIM, SENT TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL, TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS AND UPHOLD THE BELIEF IN ONE GOD.

HE NEVER CLAIMED TO BE ANY MORE THAN A HUMAN PROPHET.

THIS IS WHAT MAKES HIS MESSAGE CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OF OTHER PROPHETS.

THE DOCTRINE OF TRINITY WAS FORMULATED LONG AFTER HIM. THE DOCTRINE IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE REST OF THE BIBLICAL BOOKS.
JESUS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

My question wasn't about jesus being a prophet or not, I said what message did he preach? and your answer seemed to be that all he did was to preach about one God. Well, the preaching of one God was nothing new in Israel and at the time of jesus, this wasn't a major problem compared to previous times, so why would the main message of jesus be just about belief in one God?
In the bible, the main message of jesus was the message of the kingdom of God( Mark 1v15). Does islam explain this or do you have any idea what that is?

Auki:
Quran contains an excellent information about Jesus right before his birth. Same goes for Mary with details prayer of her mom and Allah's acceptance of her invocation. It includes Miracle and Signs given to Jesus by Allah and unbelievers response to his message.

Surrendering to Allah's will alone and avoiding false worship, doing and encouraging what is good is central tenet from Adam, Abraham, Mosses, Jesus to Muhammad (Peace be on them). The Lord of the Throne has no son or any partner and all worship should be directed to Him alone.

If you are interested , I will inshAllahu email you some good link on Jesus.

What was jesus purpose on earth? what was his message?