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Christianity Etc › Re: The Right Definition Of Righteousness by GeneralDae: 10:51pm On Oct 10, 2020*

Thattallgirl:
Lol u didn't answer my question. That aside, the willingness to obey His commandments starts with "I receive Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior. He's the one to guide me and write His laws in my hearts" cos as easy as the commandments are, no one can fulfill them. Jesus knew that no one can fulfill the commandments on their own that's why He said that He has come to fulfill the law (commandments) Matthew 5:17. Are u saying Jesus was lying when said He has come to fulfill the law instead of abolishing it? He's simply saying that the commandments can only be fulfilled through Him cos He has fulfilled the law for us. Read further in the chapter, He said anyone who breaks a little law, will be least in the Kingdom of Heaven. But we humans break the law a lot. The only way we can fulfill the law is through Jesus and that is the gospel!!! Cos He has fulfilled it for is Matt5:17...read it yourself! This isn't the word of a pastor, this is Jesus' word!!! I repeat, NO ONE CAN FULFILL THE LAW EXCEPT THROUGH JESUS!!! If u feel that's not the truth and that it's not Jesus' word, then I wish u the best in your knowledge!

The willingness to do the will of God is something anyone can decide from anywhere. Receiving jesus as lord and personal saviour is all about obeying his teachings. You can only call him lord when you follow his way. It's not about stating a formula, it's about the state of your heart and how you desire to start living a life of faith ( which is the true life of righteousness).
The teachings of christ teach us to strive for the narrow way ( be different), to forgive even 70 times 7, to press on, and this is the faith that pleases God ( not necessarily quoting the formula of accepting jesus as lord). It is not about what you feel or quote with your mouth, but what you desire to do and how you desire to become.

Desiring to do the will of God does not start with accepting jesus as lord and saviour, rather it starts with Hunger and thirst for righteousness.

Blessed are those that hunger and thirst after righteousness for they shall be filled.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Right Definition Of Righteousness by GeneralDae: 10:42pm On Oct 10, 2020

Thattallgirl:
Sigh, and like I asked u earlier, can u successfully obey all the commandments yourself?

What commandments are you talking about? Loving my enemies the way God loves his enemies and doesn't remove his sun from the city of the wicked, but rather makes it shine on all nevertheless? I desire to love that way and I do my best to be that loving exactly like my Heavenly Father in that context.
What other commandment? clothing the homeless and feeding the hungry? ( Matthew 25v41)?
I can't totally judge myself, but I know that the commandments have been given for me to keep. Tell me why would God give us commandments he knows we can never completely keep? He wants us to obey his teachings in order to enter the kingdom of heaven.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Right Definition Of Righteousness by GeneralDae: 10:13pm On Oct 10, 2020

Thattallgirl God has given us the teachings of jesus and the Holyspirit to boost in order for us to strive to live out those teachings of the kingdom of God. These include the beautitudes ( Matthew 5) and several other teachings scattered throughout the gospels. Jesus wants you to obey his teachings and he knows that you can obey them

"Why do you call me lord, lord, and not do what I say";

Christianity Etc › Re: The Right Definition Of Righteousness by GeneralDae: 10:07pm On Oct 10, 2020

Thattallgirl:
So you're saying since you've been a Christian, you've obeyed all the commandments perfectly? Not sinned once?

What is important here is desiring to do the will of God, if you desire that then the spirit of christ would come to you to show you the way to God and christ, he would help you along the way, but the decision and willingness to keep the commandments lie in you.
The commandments of jesus are not impossible to keep, they were given so they can be kept else why would christ waste his time teaching them in the first place.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Right Definition Of Righteousness by GeneralDae: 10:01pm On Oct 10, 2020

Thattallgirl:
And like I told others previously, yes we need to obey all the commandments. I only said we can only obey His commandments perfectly through Jesus. He alone make us perfect and righteous in God's eyes.

What do you mean by obeying the commandments through jesus? Jesus has given us principles and commandments to obey if we want to do the will of God. Anyone who is willing to obey the commandment is already in jesus.
The first step for anyone is to desire to do the will of God, and then God automatically brings the person to jesus, this is why the scriptures say "They shall be all taught by God". Read John 6v44-45

Christianity Etc › Re: The Right Definition Of Righteousness by GeneralDae: 9:34pm On Oct 10, 2020

Thattallgirl:
Well, I quoted scriptures in the Bible to back up everything I said earlier. Does that mean the scriptures I quoted are wrong?
You said I should go back to my Bible where it'll show me all I need to "achieve" to make Heaven, and I did. I quoted them already!
Lol and u said only those who "do the works of righteousness" will make Heaven. I dunno where that is in the Bible. Pls tell me. Cos even Abraham (being in the old covenant) believed God and it was credited to him as righteousness. Abraham wasn't righteous cos he was the best or he served God the best or cos he did "some works", he was righteous simply cos he believed God. And now, under the new covenant of Grace(Unmerited Favor), if u think u can become righteous by your own works, why then did Christ die? You think He died just for your sins to be forgiven. My dear, I recommend u read Romans and Galatians more, and meditate on them.
And yes! God hates disobedience, and Christ said only those who obey Him will abide in Him. And what do u think that obedience is? He said it in John 3:16.

It's why many Christians are struggling thinking they can buy God's righteousness by doing this and doing that. Sometimes u hear "if u want to receive God's blessings, do these things or do those things". After doing all those things, do they still get the blessings? No! They don't because they feel they can merit or deserve God's righteousness which brings blessings.

The only way u can be righteous or receive abundance of His grace is by humbling yourself and believe you are already righteous in Christ Jesus and stop trying to win God over. Cos my dear, you'll wear yourself out.

If u still don't understand or think I'm wrong, I ask u to stop being adamant and think about what I've said and check the scriptures out for yourself. God bless u.

It seems you don't read the gospels of jesus christ. Jesus told us to do works to enter his kingdom. Matthew 25v31-46, Matthew 5, etc.

Christianity Etc › Re: Jesus Died For Your Sins, Sin No More. by GeneralDae: 9:27pm On Oct 10, 2020

sonmvayina:
What makes you think death means anything to God?..is it not God that drowned the whole world during the time of Noah ?...death does not mean anything to God....

is that Noah flood story literal or figurative?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 9:18pm On Oct 07, 2020

sonmvayina:
Those stories are not literal... They are metaphorical.. God is not a man or a human being.. The number 3000 is significant... You have to learn the message in the story..

You are just making matters complicated. Christians, Hindus, etc could also say their stories are metaphorical. There are Christians who do not accept that jesus was born of a virgin, they say these stories are metaphorical too, why don't you pay attention to them?

Programming › Re: Help Me Solve This Flutter Installation Error. by GeneralDae: 6:18am On Oct 04, 2020

DrLevi:
All this Vscode hate, that I can't seem to relate to. Same VScode I've been using without any problem

Android studio is slow and heavy especially with an emulator on, despite the fact that I have 8gb of ram + SSD.. Imagine how worse it'll be for someone with less specs.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 10:51pm On Oct 02, 2020

Lukuluku69:
But do you remember when The Israelites made a golden calf? Yahweh/Jehovah commanded Moses to kill those involved. Over 3,000 were killed that day. Why didn't Yahweh banish them or at least leave them in the wilderness? Why say kill them all? Also, a man was stoned to death on the order of Moses for breaking the Sabbath, why not exile but kill?

Very good question, sonmvayina this is a question to you.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Question To All Muslims by GeneralDae: 11:25am On Oct 02, 2020*

Xmuslim:
when you back online, just answer my repeated question once. WHAT WAS YAHWEH THINKING WHEN HE REVEALED THOSE LAWS.

Unless you can't live without religion, Christianity is not in line with common sense either

I get what you mean and I have such questions too. However as far as I'm concerned, the moral law is still eternal and jesus did not come to change the moral laws but the ceremonial and civil laws. Those civil laws for ancient Israel were no longer important in the grand scheme of things.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 10:30am On Oct 02, 2020*

sonmvayina:
That is what you think.. There is nothing in the new testament.. All you have are gospels written by unknown authors and correspondences between friends and communities... You can't compare those with God's laws and statues....

God never ask or commanded any of those things in the new testament you believe or follow, following them means Turing your back against God irrespective of how simple they are.. They are still paganism..

How do you know they are God's law and statutes?
Old testament books were also written by unknown authors.
Jesus did not come to abolish old testament moral laws.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 8:14am On Oct 02, 2020

sonmvayina:
Lol.read the whole of psalm 119. It is a long love poem about God laws...God is conciouseness peesonified.the battles are within........the real jihad is within..
If I teach it to you,you will love it..

Lol if you can interprete the old testament and all the battles figuratively, why not do same with the new testament? Also those laws and behaviours in the old testament were not perfect, they were also quite violent and the new testament has given us a better framework and more peaceful example in christ jesus than Elijah, Moses, etc.

Programming › Re: Help Me Solve This Flutter Installation Error. by GeneralDae: 1:48am On Oct 02, 2020

Killertune20:
have followed the instructions over and over again, LMFAO but this is the first step to me learning how to code and I encounter this, I guess it's a warning sign, I should keep off.

I'll advice you uninstall everything, then start the process all over again with a video. Since you are so new to programming, follow the video step by step.
Make sure after installing Git, you add it to your PATH in environment variables.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 1:35am On Oct 02, 2020*

sonmvayina:
I dont know anything about islam. I think both christianity and islam are rebranded paganism..from babylon..read the chapter from begining to end and judge for yourself if it refers to Jesu's...

If you believe and follow the Torah and Tanakh, then you should have no problem with Islam, almost all the problems with Moses and the old testament are present in islam. Islam is more of rebranded Judaism. This is why I'm surprised. The old testament has so much violence and problems, the new testament ( in my opinion) is much better, but you muslims and jews have decided to stick only to the old ways.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 3:46pm On Sep 30, 2020

sonmvayina:
Let us (God the father providing the spirit +God the mother (earth) providing the dust for the body) make man in our own image after our likeness ..God provided the spirit or breath and the earth provided the dust for God to fashion it in the shape of a man...at death,the body returns to the earth where it was taken and the spirit back to god who gave it...

Read it properly ,it is God who calls his name the prince of peace ..

Christianity Etc › Re: If You Have A Question Ask by GeneralDae: 3:25pm On Sep 30, 2020*

[quote author=sonmvayina post=94468178]First and foremost he did not write anything.so we don't know what his mission was.if he was a jew then he would have known that the Torah is Gods laws and no one has the right to alter it

It was more of an oral culture, and even Socrates did not write anything. Weak arguement there.

Secondly there is no writting from anyone who knew him personally..the four gospel are written by unknown authors and written in the third person..

His closest followers were mostly uneducated Gallilean fishermen, and so historians are not surprised that they wrote nothing.

Thirdly all the stories about him and all he said where all thought by sages before him..there is nothing original about him ..

This is not true, his parables were mostly unique, his golden rule ( Matthew 7v12) was different from that of Heliel ( a pharisee who lived 100 years before him), also love your enemies is unique in the context he taught it.

4thly There is no where it says god have a son from a human mother,is that even possible

Jesus was not a physical son of God from a mother, but he was Israel ( the spiritual son of God). The book of Matthew made this clear.
I agree however that Luke ( a Greek author ) may have had a different idea as he tried to show that jesus ( that holy thing) from a virgin shall be called the son of God.
However Christians do not generally interpret the virgin birth as God mating with Mary, only that jesus came through mary because he existed before, and could not come through the sperm of a man.
For me personally, jesus is the son of Joseph, and people who read the gospel of Mark only (the first gospel) would arrive at no other conclusion or an idea of a virgin birth.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Question To All Muslims by GeneralDae: 2:52pm On Sep 30, 2020

AntiChristian:
O you are now pulling this card?

Alright!

Where did Yahweh abrogate killing Apostates and answering Elisha's prayer to kill several kids?

Where did He stop the deciet?

Where did he encourage Christians to marry Muslims and non-believers?

Hebrews 1v1: God who at sundry times and in divers manners spoke to us through his prophets have in these last days spoken to us by his son through whom also he made the worlds.

John 1v18
The law came by Moses but grace and truth by jesus christ.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 7:13am On Sep 30, 2020*

sonmvayina:
Paul is a christian creation..john Chrysostom was caught editing the works of Apolinius of Tyna.,and passing them of as works of paul...

https://www.jesusneverexisted.com/saul-paul.htm

lol, why not read mainstream scholarship on this matter, I mean even atheists scholars. You are reading blogs and the likes, and if this was done by a Christian you would object.

You are telling me that paul never existed and a book like the book of Galatians for instance is fake? How do you prove all these? Give me your strongest arguments from whatever blogs or conspiracy theory you have.

When you want to argue based on Scholarship, read and quote true historians and scholars on this matter, only then can you be taken seriously.

No professor of history say jesus never existed, not even atheist professors and they have their arguments why they strongly claim he existed, have you taken your time to study those arguements?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Would Allah Prefer Christians To Muslims by GeneralDae: 7:18pm On Sep 29, 2020

sonmvayina:
Jesus is a created idol... Whatever they said he said does not mean anything..

It is like me saying Iron man established the Avengers.. So it must be true, won't you laff at me?

Do you believe paul existed?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 9:03am On Sep 28, 2020

sonmvayina:
So what is the role of Jesus in the equation..?

Showing us what God truly is. Not Moses, Elijah, etc.

The law came by Moses but grace and truth came by jesus christ

Without knowing the message of jesus, we cannot really say we know God as we should know him.
Jesus is described as the true representation of God all over the new testament( not just a prophet), this is where Christians got the misunderstanding that Jesus himself is God.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 11:23pm On Sep 27, 2020*

sonmvayina:
So he is useless then and a Distraction ..focus on the creator.. God is one lord.. Deuteronomy 6:4

Yes God is one lord ( john 17v3, Matthew 12, Mark, etc)

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 10:49pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
LOL.. But the story says he is a demi God, father is a God and mother a human being.. You don't really understand anything..

Did God ever say anywhere in the old testament that he will impregnate another man's wife to born the Messiah? If so point it out..

If not, then I am right in saying Jesus is a Roman creation..

That's the problem, what story are you talking about? Matthew interprets Isaiah 7v14 to say jesus was born of a virgin, john and Mark do not say so in their writings, and paul had some of the earliest writings of christianity, where do you see this virgin birth story in paul's writing?
You are deliberately focusing on irrelevant things. The new testament does not say either that jesus is messaiah because he was born of a virgin, in all books when jesus was told to prove he is messaiah or son of God, he never said he is son of God because he is born of virgin.
You actually know nothing in this matter, and not willing to just read the gospels yourself, so I think I would allow you be.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 7:09pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
It is talking about a servant ....not a son or a demi god..hope you got that?

lol, jesus was never called a demi god. I know where your confusion lies. Also son of God both in Tanakh and new testament can also be a servant of God.
The new testament calls jesus a servant of God several times and even in the book of john, jesus called himself a man sent by God. It seems you've not read the new testament for yourself, your knowledge of christianity is based on hearsay, shallow criticism of christianity, conspiracy theorists, and what you perceive to be new testament christianity from other Christians. I see that you don't know much about the new testament writings. Read the gospels for yourself and critical scholarship surrounding the jesus story, then make your arguments from there not from hear say.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 6:29pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
Read it in context..49 is talking about two servants quite alright..Isaiah and israel..start from verse 1..it will be clear..

53 is talking about a servant that is suffering because of what was done to him..and it is what the kings of the earth will say or similar words when they discover that israel was right all along and inoscent of all accusations..read them in context..

Lol, isaiah 49 is about Isaiah? are you Kidding me? In Isaiah 49v3, that servants' name was also called Israel.

..He said unto me, you are my servant O Israel in whom I would be glorified.
Isaiah 49v3.

When did Isaiah become Israel who raises up the tribes of Jacob and becomes Gods salvation to all the world? Isaiah never gathered isreal or restored the tribes and he never had disciples or followers who did that in his name or proclaimed that he would do that, so Isaiah cannot be the servant in Isaiah 49.

Note that the servant in Isaiah 49 is thesame servant in Isaiah 42v4.

He will not fall nor be discouraged till he has established justice in the earth, and the coast lands shall wait for his law
Isaiah 42v4

The coastlands never waited for Isaiah's law and Isaiah had no new law to give to the gentiles. So this servant was to be a law giver who upholds justice for the world, he was a man like moses. Isaiah as the servant is again ruled out in all of these.

As for Isaiah 53, that passage is quite clear to me. This is clearly about a man whose visage was mared more than any man or the sons of men, that prophecy fits jesus better than isreal, I have tried not to be biased on this passage, but I just don't see how isreal fulfills this scripture. To fit in isreal here rather than this referring to a single man who suffered all these things and bore the iniquity of God's people ( isreal) is a stretch. Read again...

For he was cut off from the land of the living, for the transgression of my people he was stricken (Isaiah 53v8). Please explain to me how Israel was stricken for the transgression of the gentiles, when the Torah always made it clear that God would punish isreal and send them into exile because of their own sins?

You reason am nah, my guy.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 6:01pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
Lol..you read it yourself ,start from 51..and read till the end of 53..and judge for yourself..

There were different servants in the book of Isaiah. Israel and the messaiah ( representing Israel) were linked together in Isaiah as God's servant. For example the servant of God in Isaiah 49v6 is clearly not Israel, as everyone can clearly see, because that servant was supposed to lead Israel to God, so also the servant in Isaiah 53 because he was stricken for God's people isreal and he had done no violence. Isreal in the book of Isaiah had done violence, they were sinners and a people of unclean lips.
Therefore, it is common sense to conclude that both Isaiah 49and 53 are not talking about isreal as God servants in context but about another servant closely linked with isreal or carrying the burden of isreal.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 5:49pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
All those are not important concerning the messiah..

Isaiah 53 has always been about Israel..no jew ever believed otherwise..time after time Isaiah said the servant was israel..isaiah 41:8-9..and in other places..

The main purpose of the messiah was to bring peace..end all wars..Isaiah says "they will hammer their swords into ploughshres..and learn of war no more.."that is what the messiah will usher in..it has not happened..so we are all waiting for the messiah..becauae of the universal peace it promises..

If I show you Rabbis in time past who believed Isaiah 53 was about Messaiah, would you agree with me that you are simply ignorant of Jewish interpretation of messaiah in time past?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 4:51pm On Sep 27, 2020*

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The Jewish idea of a messiah or anointed is a man that would be anointed as king with a special oil just like david and saul..the prophet also says that the scepter will not depart from Judah meaning the kingship must be from the line of david and solomon

I agree with you in all of these, and jesus also is supposed to reign as Jerusalem's king. He was crucified because he claimed to be king of the jews ( Mark 14v62).

..geneology is only transferred from father to son..so the messiah must have a human father from the lineage of solomon ..Jesus did not fulfil that since the story says he has no father ..which is not part of jewish religion.the idea of god mating with humans is greek/roman..you have watched clash of the titans..

ok I get where you are coming from, but jesus according to one of the writers Luke is not just king of the Jews but also the true son of God. Luke was telling his Roman readers that caesar who was called son of God and rumoured to be born of a virgin is not the true son of God but jesus. In Luke's gospel jesus is the wise king of the world not just the jews, this is why Luke believed the rumour of the virgin birth. Ancient heroes always had rumours been told about them by their followers, it doesn't mean they were not heroes or didn't exist simply because of that.
Mark( the earliest gospel) has no virgin birth, and no trace of jesus genealogy but still for Mark, jesus is Messaiah from the house of David. In Mark's gospel, the jews called jesus the son of joseph the carpenter and he was also called son of David ( descendant of David). For John, the beginning of jesus goes beyond his physical beginning and to the very beginning of time in accordance with the Torah in Micah 5v2. John also drew his inspiration from the book of proverbs about the wisdom of God which was with God in the beginning (Proverbs 8v1). For john, the messaiah is from everlasting. Only Matthew takes it personal but even he traced jesus genealogy from Joseph.

So the story of jesus is not jewish..it is at best a romam or greek mythology..or outright fabrication..

Well anyone who reads the gospels for themselves would see that their theme and characters are Jewish. Judaism today cannot be compared to the Judaism of the 1st century. The Judaism of the first century believed in a whole lot of things about messaiah and interpreted scripture in different ways. Many jews believe isaiah 53 is about messaiah, and only after the 2nd century do we begin to see jews who reject that interpretation claiming Isaiah 53 is about Israel. Christianity was born almost single handedly from the interpretation of Isaiah 53, and the last time I checked the Roman's didn't write that book.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 3:27pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
There is no african religion that condones human sacrifices..some people who are just evil kill and main their fellow humans just to show they can oppress...in my Igbo traditional religion..we dont even practice the death penalty.we send any body who has done evil on exile or evil forest..

Only animal sacrifice or plants ..

There was no christianity prior to Nicea..if there was,what were they arguing about in Nicea for almost 2 years..?

Interesting, african religions didn't practice human sacrifices? are you sure about that?

Well if there was no christianity prior to Nicea, that means all the historical christian writings dated before Nicea are from planet Pluto, and the likes of Iraneus, Pappias, and early church fathers who lived and penned down guidelines for the church in the 2nd and 3rd century must have come from space.
Also early christian document that are so Jewish in nature such as the Didache that dates to the late first century, as well as Christian bible manuscripts dating to early 2nd century are all a mirage, according to the foremost historian sonmvayina.

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 2:52pm On Sep 27, 2020

smile11s:
All i of f the world, religions that are not Christianity and Islam are similar.

Even in Japan where their language is similar to the Igbo language, you will find a lot of similarities in the Edo and Igbo religions.

There are so many similarities between Christianity and Buddhism, and even Christianity/Taoism, just that the christianity you know is Roman catholic christianity and her protestant children.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 2:47pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
You still dont get my point..the whole idea of christianity is against the laws of God..it cant be of God...
The Jesus story has got nothing to do with the jews. It was emperior constantine that wanted a single religion for his empire and gathered the presbyters to Nicea ..the product of that council was Christianity..

So your knowledge of christianity starts with Constantine? There was no christianity before constantine? Have you read the Didache( written around AD 70-100)?

Also concerning human sacrifice, if you are an adherent of African religions that also has a history of human sacrifice in the tenets like in most of the world, then how does this click with the Tanakh and Torah?

Christianity Etc › Re: A Thread For Traditional Believers by GeneralDae: 12:19pm On Sep 27, 2020

sonmvayina:
But God never told anybody to believe in the Messiah or give their life to him or that he was coming to die for their sins..jesus has got nothing to do with God..it is and was never Gods idea..

Christianity as a religion is just a rebranded paganism by rome ..they just added their scriptures at the end of the tanakh to deceieve people..
The new testament is not a continuation of the tanakh.God can not tell you "though shall not kill" and be expecting you to offer him a human sacrifice..

See my thread "the new testament ,a closer look.

lol, your understanding of christianity is very shallow indeed. Anyhow I'm quite busy now, would reply your points later but this your talk of human sacrifice is hilarious. Even if you are correct that christianity demands human sacrifice ( of which I don't know where you got that from), what about the human sacrifice demanded by your African traditions?

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