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Angelmichael63:
HMMM IS VERY WRONG AND AM SURE THAT THE PROPERTY WILL BE RETURNED TO THE FAMILY.






BUT I DON'T KNOW WHY SOME NIGERIANS ARE SO BITTERED WHENEVER THEY HEAR THE NAME'CHURCH "WHETHER YOU PEOPLE LIKE IT OR NOT THE MORE YOU HATE CHURCH THE STONGER IT BECOMES BECAUSE NO ONE FIGHT AGAINST GOD AND SUCCEED.

THE FACT THAT MANY RUN TO OPEN CHURCH BECAUSE OF MONEY DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE DONT HAVE TRUE MEN OF GOD THAT GOD IS USING ON A DAILY BASIS.
And our Lord Jesus warned us about them before now MATTHEW 24:11



THAT IS HOW SOME OF U WILL CONTINUE UNTIL GOD THROUGH U INTO A BIG PROBLEM AND IS THE CHURCH U WILL RUN TO FOR SOLUTION.


SOME EVEN GO AS FAR AS SAYING 'WHY SHOULD PASTOR BE RICH' LET ME REMIND YOU THAT PASTORS HAVE DIVINE SUPPLIES
Matthew 6:33

JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF WERE VERY WEALTHY TO AN EXTENT OF HAVING FINANCIAL SECRETARY TO MANAGE THE TREASURY (JUDAS) SO WHY SHOULD HIS FOLLOWING BE POOR.

CHURCH WILL CONTINUE TO BE WEALTHY WHETHER U GIVE OR NOT.

ON THIS ROCK I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH AND THE GATE OF HELL WILL NOT PREVAIL AGAINST IT.MATTHEW 16:18

REMEMBER EVEN FISH PAID TAX FOR JESUS CHRIST.

SO IF YOU GIVE PASTORS,YOU ARE DOING YOURSELF MORE GOOD THAN THE PASTOR.


BETTER NIGERIA IS INEVITABLE.

This is the most stupid comment I have read on this thread. Guess it's written by a brainwashed teenager.

Pastors have Devine supplies. Lol.. So why do u give them money?Las Las, you are your pastors God.
Who told you that Jesus christ was very wealthy? Is it nt your pastor?so even me that have a secretary/treasurer, that means I am wealthy?
Luke 9:58
Jesus replied, "Foxes have dens and birds have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay his head."
Your pastor cannot show u d scriptures above.
Jesus neither rode horses or chariots except the one time he rode lowly on a Donkey during his triumphant entry. He did not live in a palace either, Was not rich, rather..

2cor 8:9
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you through his poverty might become rich.

Note:he was rich in heavenly riches but became poor on earth That u might become rich is not in worldly material things oo..but in heavenly riches

You are also not aware that his disciples died poor and were killed. Your brainwashing is complete.
Yahoo Boys in suit and permed hair have finished this one

Uncharted56:
Link not going, you should open whatsapp and yes I will like to apply for admin

hi,send me a message on the group or you drop ur facebook name lemme add you/invite you

Oracleforce:
....Always Evasive and dodgy....so obvious.

..just show me some of the territories you have used your royal priesthood to occupy for the kingdom of God pending when Christ will come back to reign on earth. After all, Jesus says, occupy till I come...


Christianity is not a theory or hypothesis. It is neither by possessing good writing skills or oratory skill ...it is more practical than just propounding. thesis, theories, and dissertation.....

Bible says, "/by their fruits, you shall know them.....you become Christian with the seed of proofs and track records.....

Back to the topic of argument; bad or fake pastors, General-overseer is not my focus in Christianity. We all have our cross to carry.
I always have it at the back of my mind that we will all bear account of stewardship before the judgment seat either good or bad.

You think our royal priesthood is here on earth?

genkins:
A Nigerian man, barr Akaolisa berates apostle Sulaiman for boasting of acquiring 3 private jets in the poverty capital of the world..

Watch below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY6N67_AXaM

He is so right

SanctifiedSista:
papa is not the healer. GOD is.. besides that's a rumour and u are better than that

So if God is the healer, what do you need papa for now? You think it's a rumor that your papa's wife is sick? You think she cannot be sick?maybe she doesn't shit as well!

A Nigerian man, barr Akaolisa berates apostle Sulaiman for boasting of acquiring 3 private jets in the poverty capital of the world..

Watch below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uY6N67_AXaM

SanctifiedSista:
It's a wonderful idea though
Tomorrow is church..what's your expectations?
Never enter church without having the things u want to see turned to a testimony for u.
Personally for those sick or in dire straits, i.invite u to the living Faith church winners cananland. Papa will be anoiting everyone with sickness and they will be free. Chat me for time or transport enquiry

But papa cannot heal his wife I heard suffering from cancer. She flies abroad for treatment.

assamu1122:
To make your Sunday worthwhile according to the command of God, here are the five obligations to keep.

1. ATTEND CHURCH SERVICE: One of the important events that makes Sunday worthwhile is going to church and worship God. Though some people believe that, one must not go to church in order to worship God but in a day like Sunday set aside by God for the Christian community to worship him, it’s necessary to be in church service on Sunday so as to join others in fellowship with God.

2. REST: Rest is a very important ingredient for human growth. As a matter of fact, God has specifically set aside the 7th day of the week which is Sunday for man to rest. This is because, God himself used 6days to work and created everything in the world but on the 7th day, he handed up and took a rest. In a nutshell, it’s also applicable for man to set aside the day God himself honored for rest.

3. EXTEND A HELPING HAND TO THE NEEDY: Another obligation to keep on Sunday is to reach out to those who don’t have. Some people believe, one can only reach out to others or help neighbors only during festive period forgetting that, poverty does not look at time its occurs. People have needs at any given time and not only festive period. As such, in order to keep the commandment of God, one has to show love to one another on Sunday by reaching out to the needy.

4. READ BIBLE: Bible as the greatest book ever written and as a book that serves as life’s guide for mankind especially the Christians, it’s advised to read it at all times and the best day to read it and reflect on is the day God has set aside for rest and to worship him which is on Sunday.

5. THANKSGIVING: At the beginning of every week, one is propelled to ask God for a successful week ahead and it’s a spiritual task that, at the completion of a week as God has granted a successful week, one should thank God for making it possible. Thanksgiving to God excites God to do more for mankind. It spurs God to want to do more because one is grateful to him for the past. On a Sunday, the best gift to offer to God is a gift of thanksgiving. It’s a man’s obligation to get on the knees and thank God for all he has done.

© Newsline9ja.com

More like 5 obligations to keep on the day set aside to worship the sun God, Rah... Christianity in Nigeria is a huge joke

Released voice recording of apostle Sulaiman threatening to make pastor Mike disappear released.
.
Listen below


https://www.instagram.com/p/CK8lnAOB2Wk/?igshid=1bhlholz5jyei

CodeTemplar:
Same police that cannot respond to robbery suddenly want to prosecute or rather persecute a clergyman. It sounds every bit like a set up.

The police can investigate adultery to establish a criminal case

obonujoker:
1. This morning

2. Luke 11:42
But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

He said so when he was still under the law of Moses. And he was referring to the pharisees who practice Judaism.or, are you a pharisees? We are Christians mind you

In this video, PST faith Edeko denies sleeping with Pastor Sulaiman of Omega Fire Ministries as alleged by her estranged husband Pst Davis.

While you watch, don't forget that the three of them(Sulaiman, Edeko, Davis) are Pastors and cannot lie.. Lol

Watch below:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kM6WpDuIHc

In this video, PST faith Edeko denies sleeping with Pastor Sulaiman of Omega Fire Ministries as alleged by her estranged husband Pst Davis.

While you watch, don't forget that the three of them(Sulaiman, Edeko, Davis) are Pastors and cannot lie.. Lol

Watch below:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kM6WpDuIHc

Uncharted56:
Link not going, you should open whatsapp and yes I will like to apply for admin

Use this to join


https://web./1056067128226586/

It's not entirely clear which GTA 5 ending is the best. You either kill trevor and michael or team up with them to kill off threats

1.Killing Trevor

If players follow Haines' request to kill Trevor, Franklin arranges a meeting with him. They begin discussing recent events, and Franklin (perhaps looking to justify his choice to carry out Haines' wishes) says Trevor's wildness will get him and Michael killed. He pulls a gun on Trevor, but Trevor escapes in his truck. Michael arrives to help during the chase, ramming Trevor's truck into an oil tank. Injured, Trevor falls into the pooling oil and berates Franklin and Micheal for betraying him. Either Franklin or Michael then shoots at Trevor, igniting the oil and burning him alive. Michael rants about Trevor's shortcomings, then he and Franklin agree that, "Surviving is winning, [...] whatever it takes." The GTA 5 Union Depository heist's earnings are split between the two of them.

2.Killing Michael
Things begin similarly if the player chooses to kill Michael, with Franklin arranging a meeting between the two. Michael gets off a call with his wife, celebrating the fact that he has money and his family back, but Franklin begins to explain his reasoning for what he's about to do to Michael. He says, "We both know this [...] ain't over," meaning they won't be able to get away with the heist if they don't appease Haines and Weston. Michael escapes to the Palmer-Taylor Power Station, and Franklin chases him down.

Knowing Michael betrayed Trevor in the past, Franklin explains he felt used by Michael and like he could be betrayed any day, since "People don't [...] change." Michael then says, "You did! You! Two-bit gangster gone three-bit," meaning Franklin has gone from a simple thug to a full-on, scheming and backstabbing criminal. After Franklin pushes Michael over the side of a tower, players have the option of dropping or saving him. Even if they choose save, he'll headbutt Franklin, forcing him to drop Michael to his death. Franklin then calls GTA 5's Lamar Davis, an old close friend of his, as he walks away.



watch below below how franklin kills trevor and then michael


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8m417qu6BE

Oracleforce:
Since you have it all needing nothing and you have all grace to overcome territories and kingdom...
And one of the attributes of a royal priesthood is to take territories and to rule as priesthood and royal hood, Show me your reigning and royal proof...
Or are you a king without territory?

You think the church is physical? You think our priesthood is earthly? Smh

Oracleforce:
I want to be as practical as possible....from your last comment, you said, we all have the same grace....and you also said, we are royal priesthood....fine!

Lemme now be practical here, there are different kinds of drivers, nurses, computer expert, doctor, etc....but what differentiates them is the level of in-depth knowledge in their fields and various exploit, adventure, and accomplishment they have gone through over the years...

I'm not a pastor- worshiper, I worship God almighty but there is nothing bad in coveting the grace upon a servant of God with a proven track record...
Matthew 25:7-9 NLT “All the bridesmaids got up and prepared their lamps. Then the five foolish ones asked the others, ‘Please give us some of your oil because our lamps are going out.’ “But the others replied, ‘We don’t have enough for all of us. Go to a shop and buy some for yourselves.’

Figuratively, there is always a time in ones life and in every field you will go and buy oil from those who have more than enough oil to give. and that's why Jesus call people to himself in book of John 7:37 because he has more than enough oil to offer them...however, you also are potential oil-giver IF you can pay the price...

Hear this: some scriptural promises might not find expression in your life until you pay the price...God will never cast his pearl before swine
It is easy to quote 1 Peter 2:9....royal priesthood...but check the spiritual gifts and grace upon a royal priesthood in your life if you have really attain to what you are quoting...
Quoting and talk is cheap....however, every position you occupy has its responsibility and price tag...
Salvation is free but God grace grows base on your relentless efforts

SMH, like I said before,it's like flogging a dead horse. You are comparing 'the Christian experience' with God's grace.Now,that is laughable and like I said before, the blame is not on you.
That somebody is good at preaching or that he had been preaching for 30yrs means he has a higher grace than somebody that just started prophesying yesterday is the height of falsehood. That one person demonstrates more spiritual gifts than another makes him have more grace than the other.. Hahahahaha...

You think they(pastors) are different because they claim
An in-depth knowledge of scripture, choreograph miracles, spew predictions as prophecy... Etc
The funny thing is even in the preaching, your pastors are preaching nonsense(motivation and prosperity) (little wonder they all hear from different spirits).
That's not grace my dear. GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON TO DIE FOR OUR SINS...
now my dear, that is grace equal and available to the world,though unmerited.


Figuratively, there is always a time in ones life and in every field you will go and buy oil from those who have more than enough oil to give. and that's why Jesus call people to himself in book of John 7:37 because he has more than enough oil to offer them...however, you also are potential oil-giver IF you can pay the price...

Hahahaha, funny.. Is this your pastors interpretation of that scripture? Lol...
No wonder they give you the impression that they have paid the price spiritually, that for you to tap into thier grace you have to pay with money and make several sacrifices... Lol... Office oo

Oracleforce:
Acts 18:6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

Your orientation and focus is about church pastor's misdemeanor....neglecting your own faith and .forgetting that we will all appear before judgment sits individual and not corporately and each will give an account of what he has done with his or her body on earth...

"being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny.."

(is this what a royal priesthood means to you? )

If you are to share your practical experience of your royal priesthood in Christ with some unbelievers or young believers, what will you say?

Bro, I do not get you.. The discussion was about pastors being criticized. So how did it get to my own practical experience as a priest under christ?
So who is evading? Is it a tactical maneuver?

I guess you think pastors are our priests today... They've lied to you bro...you think the person on the pulpit has a higher grace than you... Lol.. The've finished you with lies.

Take some knowledge =Most people do not know that the Bible contains two religions.. Judaism and Christianity... Nigerian pastors who are mostly daft or ignorant mix the two 2gether...

"being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny.."
(is this what a royal priesthood means to you? )

Did u intentionally ommit the "you think" at the start of the sentence to change its mockery of what u might be thinking?

Oracleforce:
Bro.,
Apostle Paul.prayer for the People.of Ephesus is this:

I also pray that you will understand the incredible greatness of God’s power for us who believe him. This is the same mighty power
Ephesians 1:19 NLT

After reading your comment I discovered that it abusive, evasive and void basic understanding of the scripture...
it dawns on me that your aim is just to justifies your point either wrongly or rightly....

Lemme quickly highlight some of the points you made

1.that we are in the new covenant in Christ....bro. For the fact that we are in the new testament doesn't override old testament blessings and teachings
Pls read what apostle Paul says in Act of the Apostles 26:22-23 NLT
"But God has protected me right up to this present time so I can testify to everyone, from the least to the greatest[b]. I teach nothing except what the prophets and Moses said would happen— that the Messiah would suffer and be the first to rise from the dead, and in this way announce God’s light to Jews and Gentiles alike.[/b]”
The above scripture is impregnated with lots of meaning...
.lemme say this ;No prophet or apostle emerges in the new testament without linking his calling from the old testament...including our Lord Jesus Christ... As a matter of fact, the entire new testament is the fulfillment of old testament prophecies, revelations, vision, prophecies that were generated or recorded from apostles, and leaders of the church with proven track records...

2. You also commented that we are a royal priesthood...1Peter 2:9/..it is one thing to know this scripture, it is another thing for you to operate in the light of the scripture...
If I may ask, how far have you gone in your priesthood work, and how has been your royalty experience in Christ Jesus....?
It is easy for you to quote this scripture but walking in the light of this scripture is what make your entire argument acceptable...and if you say that work in the light of this scripture, you must have evidence or proofs around you, ...pls share such proofs with me and I will accept all you have been saying but if you don't have any proof concerning this scripture,..I will implore you to shred all your points and throw them into the trash can....because you have a long way to go...

I will wait to read your experience of about 1 Peter 2:9 or.....

1.that we are in the new covenant in Christ....bro. For the fact that we are in the new testament doesn't override old testament blessings and teachings

This above statement shows me that I have been flogging a dead horse all along. You just contradicted your self again...
Bro, the new covenant overrides the old covenant.
Christ fulfilled the law.. Do you know what fulfilled means?
Now lemme teach you.. Fulfilled means he completed the essence of the old law. He himself overrided it so many times. The old covenant is expired. Do I need to show u scriptures? But from past post, I know it will make no difference to you. You are stuck with the lies told to you from birth. The essence of the old testament still points to him. Now you have him, so why go back to the old ways.?
I know you cannot understand... Maybe someday you will or maybe, never in your lifetime.
See bro, I do not blame you at all, but your pastors.
You cannot see more than what you were taught by these ignorant guys.
You think being of a royal priesthood means I should have a large church following with orchestrated miracles as proof... Lol, very funny...

I bet you cannot distinguish between Judaism and Christianity..or between Bible and scriptures. Your type will think David and Elijah were Christians... I laugh and loudly so

Oracleforce:
Show favoritism is different from favorite...
Stop muddling the English language together.....and stop quoting the Bible out of context because you want to win an argument....nobody grows that way,

It is true that God doesn't show favoritism like man does....because we are all equal before him but as time goes.based on your relationship, commitment and sacrifice to him, he single you out for favor, blessings, great position and miracle....however, it is different from being predjuice, bias, unfair, partisan, discriminatory, inequality etc...that you alluded Scripture to be in the argument ....god can not be discriminatory...but he can have his favorite...
And so many stories in the Bible is enough to convince you....for example Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Joseph and his brethren, mary the Magdalene, Daniel, David and his brethren etc...

You quoted two Bible references about favoritism.
This is bible reference in the Message Version of the Bible....

Romans 2:9-11...MSG version.
If you go against the grain, you get splinters, regardless of which neighborhood you’re from, what your parents taught you, what schools you attended. But if you embrace the way God does things, there are wonderful payoffs, again without regard to where you are from or how you were brought up. Being a Jew won’t give you an automatic stamp of approval. God pays no attention to what others say (or what you think) about you. He makes up his own mind.

...and you can check other version of the Bible yourself.
The question is this; does the interpretation tally with your argument?/No!

The second Bible portion you quoted was about Peter and Cornelius...Cornelius was captain of an Italian guard ... He wasn't a jew...Peter and other disciples present, do not believe that Cornelius and his officers will soon receive the gift of the holy ghost because Peter felt they were a jew, but they did received the gift of the Holy Spirit immediately after Peter pray for them... That was what makes peter made the statement you quoted. . ...stop quoting the Bible in isolation or out of context...

Lemme show you some Bible reference to back my claim of some gods favorite....

Romans 9:13 KJV says. As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

2 Timothy 2:20-21 MSG version
In a well-furnished kitchen there are not only crystal goblets and silver platters, but waste cans and compost buckets—some containers used to serve fine meals, others to take out the garbage. Become the kind of container God can use to present any and every kind of gift to his guests for their blessing.

Jesus Christ also has favorites Peter, James, and John.. We also have John the beloved...
...and from the Bible scholar, it was recorded that John was the only apostle who die a natural death among other apostles...

John 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom [b]Jesus loved [/b]following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

Stop quoting scripture out of context because you want to win an argument by all means....i opened my mind to new information or revelation that is genuinely, logical and that is also back up with scriptural references... I don't have a rigid mind to keep withholding wrong biblical teaching or doctrines...because it is not my rigid doctrine that will make me rapturable, it is the truth of the word of God i obey and know...

Like I said before.. U are very funny.
You contradicted your self all over the place.
Peter just realized that now God has no favorites.
Emphasisis on 'now'. Did God have favorites before? Yes.. Under the old and expired covenant where Nigerian charlatan pastors operate.

Your problem lies with not being able to distinguish between old testament and the new covenant in christ... Thats why u talk about esau and Jacob, David, Daniel and co.
The more you type, the more I have doubts about your intelligence.
That Jesus loved a disciple means God has favorites in the new covenant? Bro, are u okay?


And for the records.. Winning the argument means nothing to me. What's important is that at the end of the day, I can bring 1 lost soul to christ. Bro, God has no favorites under the new covenant with christ. You are a priest under royal priesthood of christ. I have said this again and again but I know u don't understand because of what these pastors taught you.
Now lemme loud it

UNDER CHRIST, THERE ARE NO FAVORITES. YOUR PASTORS ARE NOT FAVORITES AS THEY CLAIM TO BE.

Oracleforce:
I'm here to educate and reason with you...but there are things you are mixing up in this whole argument...
Lemme show you in the scripture that graces are different upon each believer....
1 Corinthians 3:10-11 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master builder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ."

At salvation, the grace might be the same but what you build on this salvation grace is what makes it stronger or lighter ....do you know grace can be frustrated or quenched or grow...
At the beginning, God's gift of grace is free but there are levels of grace that you have to earn your way through by your deep commitment, dedication, sacrifices, and hard work... Or you frustrate it with disobedience or sins...
We are equal before God but God has favorites. And this is according to the grace upon such life.

Pls don't forget Paul was a man and he is given to his own ideas, however, christ is perfect. Take what christ says if u are truly a Christian
Now,
Lemme answer u with scriptures

Acts 10:34
Then Peter began to speak: "I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism
Roman's 2:11
For God does not show favoritism.

Now u see, God has no favorites.
We are equal in the eyes of God.

These pastors, God will punish them for misleading believers like you

So EOD.. End of discussion

Oracleforce:
Stop contradicting what Apostle Paul himself says in the book of 1 Timothy 1:2 NIV "To Timothy my true son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord."
For Paul to call Timothy his son, he must be his father.
1 Corinthians 4:14-15 " I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons, I warn you.
For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel."

Elisah called Elijah his father; even king Azariah called Elisah his father...

What you fail to realize is that some people are light-bearers and pathfinders who are exceptionally unique in their chosen career.....like Karl Marx, Michael Faraday, Neil Armstrong, Einstein, Elon Musk, etc...they still give them respect in their unique fields..but in Christianity, erroneously, we see ourselves as the equal and the same...
This is a lie from the pit of Hell...we may be equal but the grace of God upon each of us is different...It takes your spiritual in-depths and insight to be able to know the grace that each one of us carries.

This is not about mixing tradition or cultural beliefs with Christianity....it is scriptural....as you begin to journey in the spiritual matter, you will see those people that are more than just a teacher, a pastor, an evangelist, or an instructor to you in the spiritual matter....may you find one in the name of Jesus. Amen.

Lol.......
Who is apostle Paul compared to our savior, christ. Paul says one thing, christ says another, why do you choose to follow Paul... I am contradicting Paul with words of christ.

As for Elisha and Elijah, that one doesn't Concern us na.. Was Elisha and Elijah Christians?

You are funny.. My guy, your walk with christ is not an occupation. There are no lighbearers or pathfinders as you claim except christ.
I know they lied to you bro. You'll need to unlearn all this things taught to you in error..
We are all equal in christ. There is nothing like someone having a different level of grace.. Those are all lies propagated by thier master Satan,the father of all lies.
Our grace in christ is salvation, we are equal and of the same grace. Grace is not a gift of the spirit. It is a gift from God through christ.

WE ARE ALL EQUAL IN GRACE. They lie to you bro, to get your respect and your money.

Oracleforce:
All. your comments are full of theories and hypotheses..... a this because of your level as a believer...
Paul doesn't criticize Peter but he corrects him among the disciple with love...
According to dictionary.com,
Criticism is the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything while correction is something that is substituted or proposed for what is wrong or inaccurate; emendation.
Read Galatians 2:11-14 Paul spotted hypocrisy in the life of Peter and correct this misdemeanor amidst the disciple not in the market square or on the internet like Daddy Freeze use to do...
Everybody is open to correction...Moses' Father-in-law advised or corrected Moses....despite paul's wealth of knowledge and revelation, he still submitted to the authority of Peter, James, and John...
I'm sure you can't criticize your earthly father, you can only correct him... these people are spiritual fathers to some of us...(except for the fake pastors among them) though we may not accept all their teaching and doctrine but you accept their position or leadership in the Lord....(I'm not talking about church administration or hierarchy)
You have attended different churches and yet those churches didn't collapse it's because your spiritual impact doesn't hold anything in that church....you just come to receive the blessing that some people have used most of their time, energy, and resources to labor for......but some people are spiritual pillar, some are financial pillar, some are strategy pillar and so on.....
For you to give meaningful and certified comments about some pillars in the churches be a pillar first....paul was a pillar to some essence, he saw that what he stood for is has been contravening by Peter even in the same ministry that Peter handover to him so he needs to correct some erroneous practices that he saw in peter
....
Your leaders are to be corrected with love and not to be criticized....the day you start ridiculing or criticizing your leader, you automatically turn to a disrespectfull person. However, there is negative and positive criticism ....you may be richer or more knowledgeable than him but you still owe him that honor and respect till you die...

First of all, I appreciate your matured response.

Let me start by saying this
1.there is nothing like spiritual father in Christianity. That concept was brought in by Paul who referred some believers as his children. Now, what did christ say about it?
Matt 29:3
And do not call anyone on earth 'father,' for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.
You see now that Calling any human your spiritual father(as shown in context above) is the religion brought by Paul into Christianity.now,i am a Christian not a paulian.. U get?
2.you need to understand what a church is. Is daddyfreeze a moslem? No, he his part of the body of christ-the church and by church I do not mean redeemed, winners etc(those are brand names).
Now, drawing analogy BTW me criticising my father and the pastor is not the same as i have shown you that no one is your spiritual father.
If we follow your analogy, then can you call out your father in front of everyone? You can't even do that.. But Paul did it because Peter is not more important that the message of christ. Same way your pastors are not important compared to the message.
3.if you watched the video, freeze refused to criticize Chris(even though scripturally he can) , he just asked him to explain few scriptures to him. Do not mix African traditions that elders cannot be criticized even when they are wrong. Scripturally you can critique any pastor. The same Bible says do not speak to an elder harshly but that you cannot call them out for thier error even in front of everyone.. Now that is falsehood.
4..lastly,the concept of financial Pillar or spiritual Pillar is non existent. Christ is the only Pillar of his church.saying Paul could call out Peter because he is a Pillar is unfounded. Paul became a believer like everyone else. Paul is popular cos he wrote most of the books in NT.. Don't 4get that Paul was the most educated amongst them... But Pillar? Mbanu

There was a time freeze criticized funke adejumo and she replied that it is only her elders that can correct her.. Even Paul Enenche said the same thing.. That only an elder pastor that has the right to correct a pastor.. Now that is absolutely false.. U cant blame the two, that's how they were taught.. So who calls out the most senior pastor or bishop or pope... God?

Oracleforce:
New Testament was the fulfillment of the old testament prophecies...without the old testament, the new testament wouldn't be meaningful....all the great apostles and prophets including Paul, peter James and John still made reference to old testament....
Now talking if the pastor is higher than members...we are all the same before God almighty but God doesn't put his genuine servants in the position with just a nominal christain.
Jesus says to Peter, Matthew 16:16-18... Upon the rock (Peter) I will build my church and the gate of hell will not prevail against it...." This statement was said to Peter alone...
That's as long as peter is alive, the pillar of the church rest on him and not on nominal christain.....
Some specific people stand as the pillar of some churches...the moment they pass on and didn't hand over to the appropriate person, the pillar of such church collapse automatically....I'm sure you have attended different churches and nobody feels your impact but there are some people in these churches, you are attending that stands as a pillar to that church, the moment they leave and didn't hand over to the appropriate person, the church sinks immediately......
So, I believe with this little information, I have been to convince you and not confuse you that some pastors stand as the pillar of some churches that made such church to stand. Such pillars are not the same with nominal members and baby Christians...

No sir, you haven't said anything convincing. Rather you talk of church administration. You need to understand that administration of the establishment is what you are calling a church and it is instituted by man for administration and not God.in my office, my boss earns more than me but under the law of Nigeria, we are both human beings.. Equal with the same rights.
In truth, the church is a spiritual temple made up of believers of which christ is the foundation.we believers are all priests with only one highpriest(christ).
What packs up when a church leader dies, is the establishment. Two different things.
Now, I am given the gift of preaching, you.. Prophesy, another.. Healing,. Another.. Speaking in tongues,, another.. Interpretation etc.. So who is greater BTW us all?
The concept of church leadership is purely administrative. Have u forgotten that Paul who never met christ physically and even understudied under Peter, critsized the same peter(the rock) who walked with christ, ate with him and he (Peter) stood condemned?

There is a reason why it is called 'the old testament'... It's an old contract. U now have a new contract with God.. Best you can do is as u said, refer to it once in a while like the apostles did.. But it will be foolish to practice an old contract when u now have a new one with christ. Kaspish?
These pastors you follow, most of them are not even literate enough..they graduated from Bible schools orchestrated by the same ignorant older pastors.
The few ones that are smart bagged phds in theology(degree awarded by man) become so rich by manipulating scriptures, mixing old and new covenants and therefore become rich by it.

Be guided bro

Oracleforce:
Lemme ask you a question....do you criticize or. judge your lecturer in school or you correct them? Do you set an exam for your lecturer in school or they set an exam for you....?
Do you judge your mechanic or you watch him fixing your car for you...
The scripture says, we are soldiers of Christ.. .2 Timothy 2:3
Have you seen where a Lance Corporal is Criticizing or Judging an Army Major or Major-General ? Or a police Seargent is Judging an Asst Commissioner of police...

Bro, Number chapter 12 speaks more about this topic...go and read it.

Admittedly, there are fake and genuine pastors....talking about the genuine ones, even when they fall like Samson, with a space of time, they will pull down pillars...
pls, don't joke with anointed men of God oh...
.however, they can be corrected with love, like Moses' father-in-law. corrected Moses but not to be judged or criticized

Are you saying, a lecturer cannot be wrong?if ur teacher erroneously called plastic a metal, would you not correct him? Are u saying that military bosses cannot be corrected? Who even told you that pastors are higher than members sef?it's the same pastors that told u that.
I've read your position on the subject matter.. Even about how someone was cursed to be barren in the old testament. What you do not know is that the old testament is expired. Even bears mauled boys that disrespected Elijah.. But that's in the old covenant. You cannot cite any example from the new covenant ie christ and his apostles. That is why your pastors do not like the new covenant. In the new covenant everyone is a priest, everyone shares what they have and not give to a priest, money cannot be made from the new covenant, the apostles were mostly poor, beaten and jailed and all were killed.. But under the old covenant, priests were big boys, they alone heard from God, they anointed kings... Wake up bro

Kobojunkie:
Of course most every story this man tells is not scriptural.

Lol

Daddyfreeze has responded.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFoC0-QrpCA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c--3ykTCHKw

Here is an earlier thread https://www.nairaland.com/6342680/chris-oyakhilome-there-curses-people

Sequel a post on Instablog9ja where pastor Chris Oyakilome of christ Embassy was advising members of his church not to criticize Men of God or be cursed. Daddyfreeze quoted many scriptures to say pst Chris's position is not scriptural.

Watch below


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFoC0-QrpCA

Some scriptural questions on his comment about those who criticise pastors.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJjTXzdpqTK/?igshid=1x05k4587j8q8

Image123:
Not that i fully agree with many of these MOGs, but the fact that most people are missing is that seeing or not seeing the future doesn't necessarily invalidate you. Fortune telling is not exactly the standard for credibility. For instance, Bill Gates predicted the situation quite well but seems to have lost more credibility in the past year than any other.
Except you are omniscient, you are not under obligation to see or know everything. BTW, there were so called accurate prophecies about 2020 and Covid even here on NL but that doesn't exactly make the MOGs original like i said.

Then, they should stay away from fortune telling

petra1:
The prophecies are for individuals not for the world. You receive yours. 2020 has been great for me

Sheep will alway find a way to defend pastors position. Even after catching your pastor on top of your wife, you will still say he was conducting deliverance..

Personalization of salvation or blessings is pure Satanism.
2020 has been well for you but was generally bad for your neighbors and you think it was well for you... I laugh in the spiritual.. Lol

Phraences:
He is right. Most of this things are statistical bias.

Exactly