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Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 5:41pm On Jan 27, 2016
dearpiriye:
As much as these writeups are full of sense they dont reply apply in the african setting particularly nigeria. I will love to see medicine and medical school through the eyes of nigerian medical students.

Alright, true saying though sir.. But,. I know the language and construction for certain is exotic but the context of the message is true for all, whether western, Hispanic, praire or African; that medicine is in most views seen or treated as a choice of career than as a calling/vocation all around the world, constraining the goals, limits and idea of impacts to just "profession" thereby placing much value on personal interests, than when it's regarded as a service or ministration, where you administer to your patients and serve them, that way personal ends is secondary, service to save and make better now trenches utmost priority!! That was the message!! It's true for all physicians or aspiring physicians around the globe!! This mentality/idea of service as a clergy to his congregation or parishioners is rampant...
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 2:26pm On Jan 27, 2016
Vcojuro:
IS MEDICINE A CHOICE OR A CALLING.
Over the last couple months, I have often been asked
what I plan to do as a recent college graduate. My
response has been that I will be attending medical school
in Chicago.
“Oh! Medical school!” many exclaim as their eyes light up,
“So you’re going to be a rich doctor.”
This response as well as most others I have received
seemed to imply that medicine is an ideal profession if
one is gifted enough to pursue it. Medicine has had the
luxury of being one of the great professions within
societies throughout history, along with practitioners in
areas such as law and religion. Though some may argue
that modernism has significantly transformed these
historic societal roles, there is still a great deal of respect
and prestige commanded by these positions. Perhaps my
view is a bit romanticized, but I think there is value in
viewing our future physicians as being called to the
medical field to share their talents and abilities rather than
being gifted enough to pursue professional prestige and a
high salary.
This distinction seems particularly important for
professions which deal in the treatment of people. To heal
a person, whether it be his body or soul, requires both
additional humility and more carefully defined goals. The
former is well reflected in the old adage, “With great
power comes great responsibility.” Work which affects the
lives of other human beings carries with it additional
moral and ethical weight.
The second requirement is a result of the former. If a car
is broken, for example, it is usually easy to identify one’s
options and the implications of such decisions. This is not
the case for a human being with a diverse array of needs
from physiological to psycho-social. Thus these
professions require careful deliberations to determine
appropriate goals and limits, and without those goals and
limits, there is a greater risk for a lack of congruency,
leading to disagreements about the correct place of such
professions in a given society.
Approaching a field such as medicine as a simple choice
may undermine the humility it requires and further
complicate our attempts to define its goals and limits.
Studies continue to suggest that a substantial percent of
physicians are dissatisfied with their profession due to
pay and a growing gap between professional and personal
expectations. I think physicians and their patients may be
expecting infallible medical professionals who operate
independently and achieve financial benefits, whereas
modern medical practice continues to demand
collaboration and greater humility.
If I felt that I chose medicine to achieve some personal
gain, I would be more likely to expect personal benefits
which outweigh my sacrifices. Approaching the medical
field as a calling shifts one’s focus to the positive impact
one can make in his/her community, which may add both
to the satisfaction of medical practitioners as well as their
patients.
Before the remarkable technological growth of the last
century, the medical field was limited in its power. Today
nearly every known condition has a course of treatment,
many with high rates of success. This newly obtained
power has sparked a number of debates over the last few
decades about the proper limits and goals of medicine. It
is curious to me that conversations surrounding
healthcare reform seem primarily concerned with money.
It seems that for many economic concerns define the
proper place of medicine and we must simply balance
affordability and access with innovation.
This cannot be right. Surely we would like to believe that
our physicians sincerely care about our well-being and
are not simply trying to maximize their profits by
balancing our demand for ‘caring’ with their supply. For
this and many other reasons, medicine is unique and
economics alone will not provide us with the insight we
desire. Rather than struggling to answer each ethical
dilemma facing modern medicine individually when they
arise, I think significant insight can be gained by
attempting to trace these dilemmas back to their source
and then posing more global questions.
To do so, let us compare the field of medicine to religious
institutions. When a young man decides to become a
priest, for example, we expect that he felt called to such a
life. Yes, he likely could have pursued different
professions, but he felt a pull, perhaps even a duty, to
become a priest. When his parishioners seek his counsel,
we would expect him to be humble to the power of his
position and to provide guidance which would best serve
the souls of those individuals, according to their common
beliefs. The limits and goals of his profession are clearly
defined by the doctrines of his religious institution.
Although he serves his parishioners, he is not expected to
tell these individuals what they want to hear so much as
what they need to hear according to the teachings of their
church. Medicine shares similar requirements for humility
and clearly defined goals, yet we tend to approach this
field quite differently.
Perhaps there is something to be gained by asking
ourselves to what set of rules and principles should our
future physicians answer? I would suggest that
physicians should be servants of health and that health be
the goal and limit of medicine. Of course defining health in
a given society is no easy task; but if such a definition
was achieved and universally accepted, I believe patients’
and physicians’ expectations may converge through this
understanding, facilitating better patient-physician
relationships and overall healthcare.
Much like the priest and his parishioners, patients may
instead trust their physicians as servants of their health
rather than prestigious professionals hoping to make a lot
of money or powerful crusaders against death.

I end this with a quote which says thus "for many are called but few are chosen".
Edited and culled from Kelvinmed website.


Wow!! That's what it truly holds bro.!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 10:42am On Jan 27, 2016
labodinho:


hmm...It's quite obvious you write but you don't seem a learner to me anyways.

Laughs! Thanks though Sir.

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Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 11:42pm On Jan 26, 2016
durels101:
Please guys I need help........ Am an aspirant... MBBS to be precise... I have been preparing towards jamb, but I do not attend lessons, my friends that attend lessons tell me it is very necessary to score high in jamb.... Please is it really very important to attend lessons??.. And is it true you must attend lessons to score high in jamb??.... Please, please and please answer my questions and you can share your story..... Thanks and remain blessed..

Durels I know you na! Why the shakings and fear? You're not a newbie in this race na?
Alright, but the thing is it's not compulsory but it's necessary to attend extra-murals and do extra works by your own self too.. But if you're convinced personal studies can sustain you considering the quest before us, fine!! Carry on!
Most times, for serious science students, they leave studies for a long while before checking in again and in those whiles, the scientific information we have gathered over the years depreciate because it's not renewed and so we suffer unenthusiasm, and lack of interest in studies even when we have the time! So in most cases 4 out of 5, what extramurals help do is to regenerate interest and love for studies and works again... So, if your reading structure is tenacious and strong.. Carry on.. I bet you.. You'll mourn Jamb and pay tribute to it next year with your matric uniform!!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 11:18pm On Jan 26, 2016
labodinho:


I'm nt done reading your first paragraph before I knew u were the one written.Nice one bro.Do you write?

Yes Sir! Little at least not to be on the wordsmith side or the ignorance side of it! I'm a learner Sir!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 9:08pm On Jan 26, 2016
Fabeh15:
God bless, I feel renewed.

It's a privilege Sir!! Thanks very much!!

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Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 5:58pm On Jan 26, 2016
Fabeh15:
I studied very hard for 2015 utme and scored 264, wrote post utme and had 76/100. Due to some political reasons, I wasn't offered medicine rather I was given Human Physiology to study. Though I intend starting HPYS, I have registered for 2016 JAMB. My problem now is that I feel lazy and reluctant preparing harder for this exam and my schedules are quite tight. Pls, my dear friends I need counselling?

Hmmmm!!! Bro. It's a pity we have such systems in Nigeria and in a country that at least tries to set the pace for Africa or encompasses what the African continent and its pride holDs!
But I'll tell you this, that dreams doesnt have to end because we are woken up or that some external elements disturb it!
This is our dream, it's not theirs and we for no abstract reasons should resolve to ourselves from the enthusiasm that has held us from when it began in us!
There are so many discouragements but I ceased to be encouraged by those discouragements instead and only to God do I trust my cause!
I dare you to try that!!
We are the pitied ones, we are the mourning ones being sympathized with for the lives we have chosen to live, for where we have chosen to stay ourselves!
Be there condolences from friends, we have chosen our stay!
Be there counsels from our dear families, we have chosen what living is worth dying for(a life that hasn't found what it's worth dying for is not worth living - Martin Luther King!),
a place our souls have found to rest and do service to our mourning humanity and our glorified Lord of hosts!
Be there Compensations from the dear government, we have chosen what life means for us!
We'll keep pursuing till it comes to sight!
We are the great dreamers envisaging the awakening of sacrifice to cherish!
We are the great medics yet to start living this life ascribed to medicine..
This is our dream, this is our chance to live, to love!
To feel the throbes of pain impaired with our touch, to gladden the heart of the hopeless, to incite hope in the sorrowful, to the fill trust in our patients!!
This is our compensation!!
We may have been called Jamb-imputed names: "Jamb boy", "Jamb girl" The likes!, it doesn't stop us,it didn't stop us!!
It doesn't define us 'cos
They don't understand, they only see!!
We are getting experience, they are counting time, life is progressing for us,
They stop, to count escapades yet!

Too much of literature above brethren!
It's time we step on it brothers and sisters,....
With God on our side we are not just launching in for a quest but a conquest 'cos we are more than conquerors...
Soon, we'll stand/sit having people at our feet to tell of our journey thus far and how it all began,..
Children will read our stories as comprehension in their textbooks and tell their friends about it and adults will read magazines and publications, and archives that'd reorient them of life!!
Wynston once said: "Successful people are people who move from failure to failure without loosing enthusiasm" - paraphrased!
In
the end we'll see that life is a seasonal movie listing episodes of adventures and flaws, and we are the major characters, not extras but until the viewers reach the end, we
have morals, lessons and educating to impart;
We have loins to strengthen!

Still on one of these episodes of adventures versus flaws and blames,
Youngman @ Fabeh, Similar Gentlemen and Young ladies in these shoes of different sizes,
We these great medics, we
have a lot of patients Providence has elected us to attend to, what'd become of them if we relax or divert?
What would be our answers to those questions of life? That along the line, the journey became boring? Or we lost enthusiasm for the flight?

Dare your fears, dare your complacency, dare your lethargy, confront your apathy, soot it with a salve of Looking beyond now, an ointment of dares!!

"It concerns us to know the purposes we seek in life, for then, like archers aiming at a definite mark, we shall be more likely to attain what we want".

Aristotle (384 - 322 BC)


Enjoy your adventure medics!!

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Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 7:59pm On Jan 25, 2016
Dbrainiac1:

Yes. I'm in Unimaid

Nope. There's relative peace.

Laughs!! Thank God oo
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 5:18pm On Jan 24, 2016
Dbrainiac1:

Yes.
In the history of the College of Medical Sciences, Unimaid not more than 3 people ever made distinction in physiology.
The first person to ever get a distinction is now a professor of surgery and former provost CMS, Unimaid.

Wonderful! you're at UNIMAID? I doff for you ooh Boss? @BH! @Insurgencies_still?
Education / Re: Delta State University, Abraka 2015/2016 Admissions by GideonOmach(m): 5:12pm On Jan 24, 2016
Please, Alkaluleez, what is the tuition fees for non-indigenous medical students Sir?
Education / Re: Things You’ll Learn In Your First Year Of Medical School by GideonOmach(m): 4:41pm On Jan 24, 2016
yompy:
Y go through all the stress when a sure guy at Aba, Lagos or Onitsha will just run connections and make millions with little stress?
I respect doctors but i feel once u enter med sch u hardly live 4 urself till death. U live for others. Politics, Business, Lecturing or Being a computer guru is better than all these stress except u're cut out 4 it.
There are better ways to make impact & get kudi than these. God bless d doctors.

That's the very "why" we are not same all!
by the way the medical life is the ideal life!
life is not a self-serving system, it's a system serving others!
The medical life teaches you to assume the full concept of life and what God ordained it to be!!
Medicine is a life that expresses what Love and sacrifice holds!
Jesus lived healing people and serving humanity, he died sacrificing himself for it to show the current and thereafter full concept of life and what God would have it to be!!
So, Life/living is a service of love to humanity, medicine is exuding this Love in the appearance of compassion and empathy, assuming God's place on the line of Humanity and divinity!!!
it's not given to all to become it,just a few!! and it's a privilege to be in a position to serve God and humanity!!

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Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 8:04pm On Jan 23, 2016
Penboy:
yes oooo.
They have increased the fees oh; according to the last colloquium held on the 21st thursday.
Well, some other issues were being addressed though.

Wonderful!!! thanks joor and Gbsks too!!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 3:13pm On Jan 23, 2016
[quote author=Gbsks post=42251174] see the change will be effected as from next session i.e when registeration starts. You can't see it now, but i can assure you it has been approved. Penboy abeg come and confirm this cos he b lyk say dis guy no
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 1:00pm On Jan 23, 2016
Gbsks:
the circular was pasted and it has been signed by the v.c, apart from that you can ask any other med student of the school(i mean stalite or the present part 1 student) and they will confirm this.

Wow!!! and they still have the 33k/session for returning students on their website and 57,700 for freshmen consistently on other websites!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 12:28pm On Jan 23, 2016
Lontrra:

To be honest sir, I am still surprised that you really took time to answer my question. Once again I pray that nothing will stop you from getting your desire. God bless you sir.

Ameeenn!!!!! thank you Sir!!

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Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 5:23am On Jan 23, 2016
Lontrra:
Definitely I now know what to do. Follow my passion!
Great!! thank God Sir!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 5:19am On Jan 23, 2016
Gbsks:
yes oh making it 83k for stalites and like [quote author=Gbsks post=42233528] yes oh making it 83k for stalites and like 150k for freshmen

Good heavens!! please how did you find out Sir? don't mind my silly question pls but I need to have a firm evidence for choice Sir.. sorry for stressing you pls Sir!!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 5:14am On Jan 23, 2016
Gbsks:
yes oh making it 83k for stalites and like 150k for freshmen

Good heavens!! please how did you find out Sir? don't mind my silly question pls but I need to have a firm evidence for choice Sir.. sorry for stressing you pls Sir!!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 8:05pm On Jan 22, 2016
Gbsks:
The first reason is due to slow academic calendar because as of now there is likely to be another protest due to the addition of 50k to the current tuition fee of college of health sciences student of the school which will be effected as from next session. The second reason is that i need a change of environment as i will soon be a part 3 student in my present course of study.

na wa ooo... another charges was added to the previous one of 33K?
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 8:01pm On Jan 22, 2016
Lontrra:

You really took time to answer my question! Thanks. And I pray that you will get your heart desires in Jesus name.

Amen.. thanks Sir!
hope from the contributions of others too, you have a stance now right?
you know the best thing to do now.. thanks very much once more Sir!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 4:24pm On Jan 22, 2016
@Gbsks!

why do you want to change Sir?

@Lontra, I have a friend whose friend was his mate... they just resumed 300L Zoology at KSU!
The guy was admitted at Unillorin to study medicine and he left his zoology for it.. he was already in 200L second semester almost resuming 300 when the great call tapped him.. since it was what he pursued with his sweat and life and not only desired but longed to see it manifested, he treated his current program with insignificance compared to this call and he had to leave!!!

my counsel: if medicine is a calling or vocation that you are self convinced God has elected/chosen you to serve, then everything else is insignificant because purpose is not fulfilled in it!!!
So, medicine is a calling.. only those to whom it's given understands this.. those to who can't visualize themselves in something else in life oR while they live!!!
many could be obsessed with same passion as those to whom it has been given but the contrast is that purpose of living or of life is fulfilled for them and the pay is something secondary!

So, is medicine your purpose? are fulfilling life if you go there? if it is, nothing is too much to give up for purpose my friend.. mine is medicine, currently in zoology 100L, even if in 300 I'm being admitted, I'm giving it up cause all others are sundry and shadows of life for me!
I'm dropping it like a bad habit!

But look, I understand your plight and where the difficulty is stressed from.. when you asked "is it worth it"? the qualms is with mom and dad! after spending 2years of time and finance, leaving just like that to begin a fresh one without ending the former is to an extent exasperating!
Thing is, if your conviction holds it tight.. they'll see it right.. you make them understand things okay?
purpose is the most mattering matter in life.. it's not just entering school quick and bearing student" with your pointer as the university,. it's about purpose friend!
purpose is another thing next to life or having life not even hope! it comes before hope..
everything happening in our lives is/should be tied to purpose, then we can hope, hope to become better of our lives!
all of us are equal to not living or having lived outside/without purpose!

it's worth it all if it's your purpose and you are convinced.. friend!

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Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 9:44pm On Jan 21, 2016
Rimini:
dearpriye, your friend has gotten admission o!!! Medicine and Surgery oau!!!

Congrats ooooo..... More strength in your wings to fly! I'm highly motivated!!
Pls Sir, would like to make contacts with you and know what's up sir... pls?!!
I'm an OAU aspirant Sir!
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 9:32pm On Jan 21, 2016
Ksudr:
some1 should pls answer dis guy. i wud like to know the quality of medicine in unical too

Ksudr! you are in KSU?
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 9:23pm On Jan 21, 2016
Jason you're still at uniabuja or you withdrew already sir?
Education / Re: The medical students and aspirants thread by GideonOmach(m): 9:47pm On Jan 19, 2016
Good evening everyone. my name is Gideon and I'm a medical applicant at OAU... Sorry, to disturb please, anyone at OAU already a medical student there should help me by dropping their contact, so I would reach them and learn about the system at the school pls!!! thanks very much for your assistance.. God bless you brethren.
Religion / Re: Pastor Matthew Ashimolowo Speaks On T.b Joshua by GideonOmach(m): 9:49pm On Jan 13, 2016
T.B Joshua and Ashimolowo are two people i dearly respect!
Ashimolowo is 5% right but 95 off on this one!
This is absolute carnality and immaturity to stand on magazines or public media to say things about a fellow in the vineyard..
The Bible exhorts us not to judge by appearances... Jesus according to Isaiah the prophet and the synoptic gospels didn't judge based on what his ears heard... he did handsomely and godly! so who's our mentor here if we evolve our own pattern or let our mixed feelings cloud vision and acuity!
no one has full rights in weighing, concluding and making a pronouncement on another fellow servant because they're not identified together!! mark.9:38-40...
Wasn't there that man who did miracles in Jesus' name and wasn't rebuked by Jesus? what was his reaction? he said not to rebuke him.... mark 9:38-40
Was there any figure indicating he got baptised as was the procedure then or for them?
Was Cornelius a certified Christian before Peter's quest towards him? why did God hear his prayers?

oh...!! you want him to come and stand and recite the conventional anthem/theme? that on thus day...... it mustn't be so?
I've come to learn that there are two ways to God in accordance to his Grace which he has bestowed!
He calls you or show you to himself!! to find him!! eg. Matthew and Zacchaeus

God doesn't give his spirit to the world except you have become a son.. if he isn't born again or saved, how will he be able to hear the spirit speak? how many demons have you heard managed people from childhood to become pastors? like how many people, demon possessed like him with all likeness?

If Ashimolowo should have anything to say, he should meet TB Joshua and relate his challenge towards him and lay hold of the truth Cristal deal!! not based on hearsays of magazines..

We'd all be tempted to conclude people on hearsay when we actually don't know them and except anyone become a friend to someone, they can hardly say what the truth holds with those people.. my humble appeal to men of God!!! stop being a scribe to your fellows like to Jesus because he is an authority questioning your judgements, stop being Zedekiah to micaiahs because he says the truth, Jezebel to Elijah because he stops iniquity and abomination.... draw closer, become a friend and let Christ rule and superintend!!!!
Education / Re: 2015/2016 OAU Aspirant Thread. by GideonOmach(m): 11:17am On Jan 08, 2016
Good day everyone,. Name's Gideon. I have a sister who's an OAU applicant and I heard this mind boggling info I've decided to ask for clarity/confirmatation pls. I heard something like The institution doesn't accept or admit candidates from Kogi state, .pls is this true and why? Thanks for your replies. . I'll be grateful to learn the truth pls! !
Education / Re: KOGI STATE UNIVERSITY STUDENT CHATROOM. by GideonOmach(m): 11:15am On Aug 17, 2015
Pls, does KSU accept combination of results from 2 sittings for medical and Law students, Sir/ma'am?
Phones / Re: Nokia Care @ Nigeria: by GideonOmach(m): 8:05pm On Aug 09, 2015
please ooo.. My nokia e63 doesn't support memory cards.. It's will inscribe: memory card not supported.. or not found. I've flashed it but nothing to hold.. Pls, what is the cause and what can I do please, friends?
Phones / Re: Phone Engineers On Nairaland Willing To Assist You - Part II by GideonOmach(m): 7:58pm On Aug 09, 2015
please ooo.. My nokia e63 doesn't support memory cards.. It's will inscribe: memory card not supported.. or not found. I've flashed it but nothing to hold.. Pls, what is the cause and what can I do please, friends?
Religion / Re: The Seven Atrocities Of Pastor E.A .Adeboye. by GideonOmach(m): 1:31pm On Aug 07, 2015
You have no right whatsoever to say anything evil against anyone, talkmore of anyone acclaimed ''man of God'' whether good or evil!
Your observations may have been true but the step you took to address them were christenly wrong!
As a Christian, three people speak to you all the time: God, your mind, the devil.. One must not be confused for the other, every christian must be sensitive to know which is which!
The bible said test every spirit to know which is of God!. . . And so on. Well, if anyone does that(discern) with the mind, the mind suggests to it what way it should be followed up and if the spirit, same does the spirit!
You see, christainity is a gradual growth! Was there not a time peter made up a facade that expressed hypocrisy and Paul did something about it? What did he do? he rebuked him immediately! Peter of all men!
you see there are many ignorant observations(observations out of ignorance) you made and it was an observation but what you took it to be was because you didn't know.. when you begin to think you have known it all, at that time you haven't learnt anything.. You don't know you have not known, and that's ignorance!
Any truth that cannot be addressed the way it should, is not worthy to be called one because it lies in the arena of falsehood and evil!
Now, becareful! So your righteousness don't become sin! Your wisdom -foolishness! Because I could sense it!
Now, you've made the observations, fine!
What remains next, is it not to correct it, so it becomes what it supposed to be, forthwith! What stops/ped you from going to meet him or his secretary to see him about them? Critically, You were not interested in making the atrocities better,. Intrinsincally too, you were very good at observing them and watching but you have not acted towards his good or the interest of the mattes; you knew he had poor ones there right? How much have you done to be a sample of what you motioned out? If you're faithful in the little you have, you'd be faithful the more in much!
You were wise enough to do that(observe), why weren't you wise enough to make relevant moves to correction, 'cos as far as God and the bible are concerned, these ones you made right here are unhealthy, they only yield/ed enough carnality and sin..
if you couldn't reach him, how much prayer have you made for him? Has he been your prayer? Christ told Peter when you are strengthened, strengthen your brethen.. After he washed their feet, likewise he said: wash each other's feet, keep each other fit and sanctified! The bible talks about being one in unity and in faith, this act of posting it online has not attained but thorn apart! And you are glad! It happened by you.. (Offence would not but come, woe to him by whom it will come)What is the need for the effervent prayer of the righteous if it goes on like this..
If you know and have love you'd not have the effontery to spew gibberish and do idle jobs and spur up carnality! If you have understanding of God and you are led by his spirit, you won't come this way.. Evidnece shows you don't, it's the truth sir, I'm sorry!
It didn't occur to you that talking and saying the truths behind people's back, not a call for prayer or other reasonanble/Godly approach without going to see the person to know what's up on the matter is gossip!
You just condemn the person from your angle of judgement, without being certain of his and b/c you are God, it is final!
I'm sorry to say that you are wrong,please!
We'll all stray and perish because we lack knowledge!

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