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Business / Urgent Assistance Needed: Where Is Grey.co Office In Lagos by gisevak: 2:09pm On Feb 23
Desperately seeking Grey.co office directions in Lagos! Urgent assistance is needed to locate the payment platform's office. I appreciate your prompt guidance in advance. My substantial funds have been held by them for an extended period. Despite providing the requested documents, I'm frustrated and considering legal action for this delay.
Education / Are Part-time MSC In Statistics Programs Available At UNILAG? by gisevak: 9:29am On Jan 13
As I continue my education while working as a software engineer, I can't help but wonder if UNILAG provides part-time MSC in statistics programs. This crucial question is significant to me personally since I'm trying to find a flexible way to balance my academic objectives with my professional duties right now. Or is there a comparable course that UNILAG offers?
Religion / Is December 25th Truly Jesus' Birth Date? Unveil Historical Evidence by gisevak: 7:17pm On Dec 22, 2023
Christians and their likes, could Jesus' birthday on December 25th be more than just tradition? What historical evidence supports this timing?
Politics / Re: Appeal Court Sacks Ugonna Ozuruigbo As Reps Member, Declares Nwadike Winner by gisevak: 6:52pm On Dec 22, 2023
MajorOvakporaye:
Black people cannot rule themselves successfully. Point out one successful black society in contemporary times and I will dash you 10k.

This is probably my first time commenting on a topic in politic section. Let me say that there are countless inspiring examples of thriving black societies and communities around the globe. Countries like Botswana, Ghana, and Rwanda have achieved remarkable advancements in economic development, governance, and social progress. In addition, there are numerous successful black-led businesses, organizations, and initiatives that are making a tremendously positive impact on their communities and the world at large.

It's crucial to challenge and dispel harmful stereotypes and prejudices, and to recognize the diversity, strength, and resilience that exists in all societies, regardless of their race or ethnicity. By promoting equality, understanding, and respect for everyone, we can work towards creating a more fair and inclusive world for all. I don't fucking need your 10k.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:42pm On Oct 01, 2023
Aemmyjah:


I mentioned about 10 proofs and you still say i have no proof
Pls stop tagging me if you want to remain confused

You have just explained one, which you will probably use as proof that the creator exists. You couldn't provide explanations for the questions you last quoted. You can clearly see that your proof, the Bible, is actually the work of men. The Bible is never evidence of a creator because it is a human invention. It was actually compiled from different scripts by unknown authors by churches that agreed, which are to be referred to as God's words.
Others that you gave are not 100 percent enough to serve as proof that there is actually a universe creator because we actually asked that as:
If a creator or creators created natural laws, then who created the creator or creators that created the natural law? Where does this creator or creators leave? When was this creator created? How was this creator created? And why was this creator created? Except you want to say something can exist without being created. And if a creator or creators should exist, it cannot be a religious god or the god of Christians. You have not yet provided 100 percent proof that a creator or creators exist.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 8:04am On Oct 01, 2023
Aemmyjah:



You still have a very long way to go and your research is poor
What does the Bible ia the reason why God allows suffering?

The Bible is the major reason why most Christians became atheists. Atheists have no proof that God does not exist, as do you, Christians. You that your your research is not poor; who are the authors of the Bible? Is Joshua the author of the book of Joshua? Is Samuel the author of the book of Samuel? Don't tell me Moses is the author of the first five books of the Bible. I can point out to you from the Bible that Moses cannot just be the author of these books. Why was the Bible written in a specific language? Why speak to only a few people? Why does the supposed Almighty God not send books written in all languages?
And probably, if the Bible is revealed to Israelites, why should it apply to me as an African? The Bible has demonstrated how the Israelite god committed genocide against other races or tribes. Why should those tribes or races accept your Bible god as a universal god or even the creator of the universe? The god is definitely the god of the isreal and never the universal god. Just as I said before, the biblical god cannot just be the universe's creator.

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 10:16pm On Sep 29, 2023
Aemmyjah:


Have you seen a Koran before
Can you easily access it
Can u read it

Why do I have to order IFA book?

You will never do anything better for humans if you had the power
You should do research on why God allows suffering?

I have the Qur'an on my phone, both in Arabic and English. I have seen the Qur'an, read it, and studied it. 
I would be better than the biblical god because I would just take away the source of evil in the world. I won't need to be jealous of anybody, creating competition between me and others about who is better.
Concerning evil in the world, I think most suffering is caused by human actions, such as wars, conflicts, injustice, and societal issues. While other natural causes, which are few, are just probably part of the natural order. I probably don't know if it was predetermined by a supposed biblical god. I don't know why God allowed suffering in the world; give more explanation on it. How would you define God?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 8:54pm On Sep 29, 2023
Aemmyjah:


The highlighted shows to you still have much to learn and should learn how to draw reasonable conclusions instead of drawing wrong conclusion from sentiments and hearsays?

Does the Koran claim to be inspired? I mentioned how the Bible is unique as to distribution, translation, history, prophecy, science, moral advice. Even the Koran give credence to the Bible... Mention the other religious books and show us na
Sango kor, Ifa ni? I'm talking about something universal, not tribal or confined to a language
Did Sango existed?
It is not you to decide which book is inspired
Show me Ifa book

Brother, my stand now is the result of the rigorous research that I have done. Telling you this is not hearsay; it's what I found out myself. I have asked questions, studied books, read holy books, and many others. I still believed I had not done much yet, which is what led me here. See, if a creator should exist, it probably cannot be the one the Bible describes. I would do better for humans than a biblical god if I had his or her power.
Yes, Muslims claim the Qur'an was inspired by Allah. So, God also inspires other religions. The IFA book is on Amazon if you want to order it.
Which religious book did you want me to mention? Is it the one that predates the Bible? Or what?

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 7:40pm On Sep 29, 2023
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Aemmyjah:


You are just confused and repeating hearsays
Concerning it's history, it is to prove that the Bible is not a book of myths and legends as many say


Who is the source of the 'another spiritual inspiration'?
Learn how to make up your mind sir

I refused to believe the god concept of the Christians because their supposed holy books reflect human characters. How can the all-perfect God make mistakes and seek vengeance? It cannot just be that Christian all-powerful god that would inspire such. Look around your universe and see how it was beautifully and intelligently arranged. The spiritual source might probably be hearing from an entity different from the creator, for example,Sango, the Yoruba cultural god of thunder.
There are much older religious books than the Christian books. Who inspired those books that predate the Bible. Are you saying God inspired all books, such as the Quran, IFA books, Judaism, etc.? Why should we not choose others?
Nairaland / General / Re: Which One Is Better? To Be Right? Or To Be Correct.? by gisevak: 5:48pm On Sep 29, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
I think I understand what you're trying to say here..


Morals vs Logic..
Good!

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 5:21pm On Sep 29, 2023
Aemmyjah:



Yes.
The Bible itself is seen by many as a religious figure as 2 Timothy 3:16 says that it is inspired of God.
Genesis account helps us understand that sequence and order of creation in a reasonable manner though it does not mention all the details as to how and when
Then it mentions about how the first humans were formed. From the dust of the earth. Science itself attests to it that the elements found in the dust is also found in the human body
While several religions and logic helps us see that there's indeed a Creator, the Bible presents it in a way that is clear. Helping us to understand other questions as to why the earth was created, and the future... The Bible account give us details that evolution can never give us such as. Where we come from (History), why we are here (Purpose) and where we are going.
By means of God's spirit did God help in creating the universe which includes the earth. The Bible just presents his personality more just as the blueprint of a house can tell you more of the owner /architect... It does not say when but it says the universe had a beginning before God began creating


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It has been fully historically observed that the Bible compilation comes from highly ungodly sources, and some of its contents reflect humans. We have cases of human sacrifices, contradictions, vengeances, different biblical versions, and many more. The present Bible has undergone a lot of reviews and deductions, among others. It was in the Council of Nicaea that Emperor Constantine, who was Roman Emperor from 306 CE until his death in 337 CE, used what motivates many to action—money! He offered the various church leaders money to agree upon a single canon that would be used by all Christians as the word of God. The Bible today was not sent down, as you might have thought. It might just be another spiritual inspiration and not the creator.
 
Historical accuracy doesn't necessarily prove the divine nature of the text. The fact that the Bible mentions real people and places doesn't automatically validate the theological claims or supernatural elements. How do you see to this?
Nairaland / General / Re: Which One Is Better? To Be Right? Or To Be Correct.? by gisevak: 2:30pm On Sep 29, 2023
BluntCrazeMan:
Most of the times, when someone is right, he is also correct.

But some times, he may be very right, but he won't be correct; and he would be faced with the dilemma of choosing whether to continue being right, or to entertain a little bend in his convictions in order to be correct.

So, if you're faced with such dilemma, which option would you go for??
Would you strongly maintain your stance on what you think is right, until a stronger logic or reasoning convinces you otherwise??
Or would you agree with popular stances which are opposed to your stance (even without a strong reason for doing so), so as to flow with the stance and be correct in their eyes.??

Yes, it's possible for someone to be "right" in a certain sense, such as morally or ethically, but not necessarily "correct" in terms of factual accuracy or adherence to established rules.

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:27pm On Sep 29, 2023
budaatum:


I am an atheist. My Lord is Lordreed.
How do you explain the existence of humans?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:25pm On Sep 29, 2023
Aemmyjah:


I believe God exists
Evolution na mere philosophy
I'm a preacher but lemme mention the things I use to convince people that God exists

1. Natural laws and lawgiver
2. Design and Designer
3. Bible
4. Religion/Spirituality
5. Intelligence
6. Consciousness
7. Altruism
8. Order and Organization in the natural world
9. Conscience
10. Cause and effect (I use this when I meet Lawyers, doctors, philosophers)
11. Prayers

I can explain them
Which do you want me to explain?



I love to engage someone like you. Let's start with how the Bible is a proof that there is a god or gods.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 10:48am On Sep 29, 2023
budaatum:


I am very certain my Lord told you he does not know if he does but know. Unfortunately, I can't go through the thread to find out.
Are you an atheist? Your Lord says what?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 10:28am On Sep 29, 2023
Aemmyjah:



We have not seen anything evolved
We have no seen anything created

Life either evolved or was created

You are right concerning the fact that we have not seen anything being evolved, created, or not. But how do we reflect on them?

Aemmyjah:


Why not do your research sir?

 
Let me disclose a few of the results of my research:
First, humans don't have enough facts to prove the existence of a creator or creators; neither does anyone have enough facts to disprove the existence of a creator or creators.
Secondly, there are some labels, such as gods,demons, Satan, and many others, that are actually wrongly defined or subjectively defined based on religion, culture, races, etc. We lack sufficient abilities to define them objectively.
Thirdly, spirituality actually exists and works based on principles beyond science. Just because you have not had any spiritual experience does not make others experiences invalid.
Fourthly, there There are countless mysteries in the world. And we have a lot to do to unleash the mysteries. And at present, we don't have the capacity to unleash these mysteries. It's dishonest to say there are no mysteries in the world. For example, in the science world, dark matter and dark energy are mysteries.
Moreover, many atheists here in Nairaland are not honest about their views. So a lot is needed to secure the minds of kids or young ones from these dishonest people.
The thread topic is a researcher topic. Its aim is to find out who has done more research than I have and whose contributions would contribute to my further research. But I am amazed by the low level of intellectual contributions here. They most want to win arguments with logical guesses.
 
What is your contribution to the said topic here?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:02am On Sep 29, 2023
budaatum:


Because you have not done the research to ask and knock and seek so you may may know, it's likely hard for you to consider that others might have done the research so they may know. And you expect the research they may have done to be given to you instead of you doing your own research.

Believers accept made up ideas without proof or facts. Good thing is you are agnostic, which means you will ask and knock and seek until you do know, or you'd be lazy and just believe.

Did you observe his views? They are not honest. He results in insults because he has no explanations for the questions being asked. He could not provide an explanation of the origin of human existence, nor did he provide explanations on how the creator of the universe is not a mystery. He would have just said he didn't know instead of trying to defend his dishonest stand.
 
Personally, I do not subscribe to believing in something just because we are told, without making an effort to find out if it is true or not. I do not claim I know it all, nor can I prove the mysteries in the world for now.

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 5:14pm On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


There is no mystery because there is no valid ground to consider the idea of a creator or creators. The idea is simply nonsense.
Every human knows that there are a lot of mysteries in the world, of which the universe creator is one, and human existence is part of them. And many more mysteries. But you said there was no mystery behind the creator of the universe. Please don't mention me, nor do you quote me with your bunch of ignorant and illogical guesses again.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 5:12pm On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


Look at this this one crying crocodile tears. When you were calling me ignorant e dey sweet you bah, now that you are on the receiving end you want to cry. Bwahahahahaha!

I asked you a simple question that you not been able to answer only to be dodging and trying to turn it on to me. If you have any shame yourself you'll stop posting and go think of what to do with your life instead of navel gazing and thinking of fairytale creators.
Smh! What is that question you are asking?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 4:40pm On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


Are you stupìd? What has the origin of consciousness got to do with a creator?

This shows how your mother trained you. I don't need to trade words with you. This thread is about the existence of humans and consciousness in the first place. If you can't talk about it, you can shamefully leave my thread for more logical people.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 4:14pm On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


There is no mystery because there is no valid ground to consider the idea of a creator or creator. The idea is simply nonsense. How do now want me to manufacture evidence for the nonsense?

With no evidence of a crime so where is such an accusation going to come from? You'll just dream it up?

You made the claim that there is no mystery behind a creator. OK, "the origin of consciousness in the universe and human existence", is also not a mystery to you. I wonder at your level of ignorance.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:31pm On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


Which running away? What is there to run away from? I'll tell you what is illogical, expecting me to provide proof for an idea that has no merit. Meanwhile you who thinks the idea has merit can provide no basis for why such an idea has merit. You are always pointing the fingers that implicate you.

Simple question: how did you arrive at the conclusion that the mystery of a creator does not exist? Did you just make a guess without a fact? Is this how atheists reason—they just make up any idea for us to accept without proof or facts?
So, if you're accused of a crime, would the police legally throw you into prison without being convicted?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:54pm On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


Because the idea of a creator or creators has no basis in reality. If you think it does, provide such a basis.
See how you are running away to provide an answer to how you came to your conclusion. That's what I have predicted here about self-acclaimed atheists without proof of their stands. They have no proof of their stand and still come to a conclusion about something they have no proof of. Is that logical?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:44am On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


What conclusion?
The statement I quoted, or simply put, "There is no mystery of a creator or creators": how did you come to this conclusion?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:27am On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


I should bring evidence for a mystery that doesn't exist? Can you even hear youself? LoLz.

How did you arrive at this conclusion?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:22am On Sep 28, 2023
LordReed:


I am not interested in solving the mystery since there isn't a creator mystery in the first place. If you can show cause for why a creator should be considered in the first place then I'm all eyes.
Since you know there is no universe-creator mystery, why don't you bring forward facts or proof to unleash the mystery? Did you read my stand on whether creators exist or not? How can you ask questions that I have already answered? You seem to not pay attention to the details being discussed. It's normal for humans to assume things are created or not, but your stand is highly illogical.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:08am On Sep 28, 2023
budaatum:


Your senses are not limited when it comes to doing the work to find out how universe creators are created or how many creators are claimed to have created the universe. And that alone should make you do more research as opposed to claiming you are incapable of doing the research.

It's after all not possible that all the creator deities created this one universe.

You are not completely right concerning the limitations of our five senses. Our senses can easily give us subjective views of something. Reading through the links you provided. I would want to know those things those gods created, when and how they do so. And if, by the time I finished reading, I couldn't see any proof there, I would be disappointed. Well, there may be a creator or an infinite number of creators. Maybe those links can prove it.

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 10:11pm On Sep 27, 2023
budaatum:


Sorry, but not important enough for the time investment. Post a link to where you posted your answer so I can go straight to it instead of wading through looking for it.

Let me respond to you as follows since I am short on time finding links to send you: Except for the facts I received, I am agnostic of all gods. Sango and Sopana never claim to be the creators. We are talking about the universe's creator here. Our five senses—sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell—provide us with information about the physical world. However, they are limited to perceiving the observable and measurable aspects of the natural world.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 7:42pm On Sep 27, 2023
LordReed:


On what basis do you ask about a creator? Did the thought just jump into your head?
Would this solve the existence creator mystery?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 7:40pm On Sep 27, 2023
budaatum:


The stories of Jesus teach quite a lot, is why I bring it here. One most important teaching of his is the use of the senses to ask and knock and seek instead of thinking you are incapable of using your senses to do the requisite research.

As for a creator, you might as well be asking me to prove to you that the spaghetti monster or Russell's Teapot do not exist. Most would inform you that it is you who thinks a thing exists that should prove its existence. But I shall not bother asking you to since you claim it is merely a belief and not something you actually know.

As for your agnosticism, I am certain it pertains to particular gods and not all gods, unless you are equally agnostic about Sango and Sopona too. Do tell, are you?
Read through my quotes and posts here and you would find your answers. I have answer this here.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:27pm On Sep 27, 2023
LordReed:


Oga simple question on what basis do you ask if there is a creator or not? Very simple question.
What do you mean by this question? On what basis? My basis is an agnostic point of view about a creator or creators. My stand on proof of the existence of a universe creator is inherently difficult or impossible to answer definitively. I don't have proof to approve or disapprove of the existence of a creator.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:03pm On Sep 27, 2023
LordReed:


LoLz. I am asking you on what basis do even begin to ask the question. Obviously you the one who is incapable of digesting simple things. You really need to learn how not to project your failings unto others.

Many dodge to prove or disapprove of the existence of a universe creator because they don't have the capacity to do so. I won't blame anybody for this, but what I feel people are ignorant about is drawing conclusions about the existence of a creator. We can see this when atheists argue and when religious people argue as well. They are all chasing the shadow and making both logical and illogical guesses. None has proved his side by any proofs.
 
If you have capacity, then prove that the creator does not exist. Don't come here and say that the burden of proof typically lies with the party making a positive claim or assertion, because the burden of proof can be in a negative context too.

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