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LordReed: This is a result of not digesting and understanding what you quoted. You just committed the Red Herring Fallacy; you are simply diverting from the point. What I am saying there is about who has the capacity to verify facts and who doesn't. We all know that if I had the capacity to enter a fire without being burned, I would go inside any fire incident to rescue people, even if people lied to me or not that they were in the burning house. I have nothing to lose; I am capable. Do you have anybody capable of proving or disapproving the existence of a creator or creators? |
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budaatum: Do you or anyone else have the ability to prove or disapprove that the creator does not exist? You can point to anyone who has the capacity to do so. Why bring biblical Jesus here after I told you that I am agnostic? |
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budaatum: See, science has limitations when it comes to addressing questions related to the existence or nature of a creator. We both know that science lacks the capacity to prove or disprove the existence of a universe creator. It's never been possible to make any proof whatsoever because the existence of a creator often falls outside the scope of scientific inquiry because it involves metaphysical aspects that go beyond the observable and measurable aspects of the natural world. You cannot tell me you have the capacity to prove or disapprove of the existence of a creator unless you're just deceiving yourself. You could show me anybody on earth, present or past, who has the capacity to prove or disapprove of the existence of a creator or creators. That's why I used gold as a liken to the Creator and diver as anyone who has the capacity to prove or disapprove of the existence of a Creator, which I probably think doesn't exist. How then should you draw a conclusion about whether the creator exists or not? It sounds illogical to hold any conclusive views or existence of a creator or creators. |
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budaatum: Do you know someone who is agnostic about some views? You're not speaking with a religious person; bear this in mind. Everybody must not be a Christian or other theistic religion before they point out your wrongfulness. Who is making logical guesses here? Someone who says a creator doesn't exist without proving it or someone who says creation doesn't exist without proving evidence, and there are many more of your conclusions. And I choose to be neutral or not to draw conclusions based on those views. I think we currently don't have the capacity to know the truth; hence, I remained neutral. |
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budaatum: Has the diver gone that deep now? Since you know that the diver has not gone that deep to bring the gold, why rush to the conclusion that there is no gold? You have not even gone that deep into the ocean, and neither do you have the capacity to do so. Why conclude? It's highly illogical to hurriedly conclude something that you have not verified. |
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budaatum: I would like to see someone who has gone so deep to find out if the gold is truly there or not. That means that person has the capacity to know the truth. To be honest and factual, I don't think there is anyone who has the capacity to verify the truth now. Nobody has ever performed any scientific experiments or something related to show that what we see is created or not. Or whether there is a creator or creators or not. Most are just making what I call logical guesses. I might be wrong, so prove me wrong if anyone has such capacity. |
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budaatum:Firstly, this doesn't answer the questions I asked; the answer to the first question should indicate steps to take to find the truth about the gold. I probably expect you to employ the service of a diver to go that deep into the Pacific Ocean. The diver has the capacity to find out the truth himself without employing anybody, while you don't. Secondly, you have not provided any books or facts that prove 100 percent that creators exist or not. I don't think you can even show or bring such facts or proof forward. |
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budaatum: While you may not understand my perspective on the assumption of creation, it's crucial to acknowledge that the question of existence and its origins is a complex and multifaceted one. As an agnostic, I believe in embracing uncertainty and remaining open to various possibilities. The mystery of existence is a topic that continues to challenge our understanding, and it's essential to explore different viewpoints and theories with an open mind. I don't hold dogmatic views on the concept of creation. I am being neutral here[b]. If you have valid and concrete facts on why everything we see is not created, I would gladly accept them.[/b] |
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LordReed: I am not saying creator exist or not. What i am saying is that we can see "natural" as you called it just as we can see a painting on the wall. It is not logical to reject something we know nothing about. I am not saying you should accept there is a creator or not. But, don't you think it sound illogical to base your belief on false theories. You should at least not be in a hurry to make conclusion about things you know nothing about. |
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Maynman:Again, I don't have evidence or proof for a creator or creators neither do i have proof to reject the evidence of a creator? Can you provide your proof now? Atheist!Lol |
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Maynman: Prove that creator doe not exist. Is that too much to understand? |
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Maynman:Can someone asked how this guy join atheism. Do you guys provide money for atheists? Provide how you become atheist. Provide your proof for nonexistence of a creator. At least be serious for once. |
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Maynman:Explain Human Existence Stay on the topic. |
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Maynman:You are more ignorant than i see you! Kiddo! Why do you become an atheist? Did you read it that they do share money? Prove you stand. |
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Maynman:You claim to know, my topic is How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence Explain this. |
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Maynman:Are you blind to read? |
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Maynman:Rejecting a creator or creators without any evidence is the highest form of illiteracy. I spit on your head. You were asked to prove your stand. And you could not but decide to ask me who is neutral about the concept of a creator to provide proof. And I replied you that I no proof of whatsoever to give for existence of a creator nor proof to reject it. Who is the illiterate here? Atheist my foot. Being an atheist does not make you "woke". I think there are more ignorant and dumb people parading themselves as an atheist. |
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Maynman:Please read all my post and quotes. Did you graduate from a university? 1 Like 1 Share |
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Maynman:Just as you believe you would eat today |
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Maynman:Are you blind to read? Can't see you see that i am neutral? |
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Maynman:I did not make any conclusion that creator does not exist neither do i have proof to accept a creator for now. |
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Maynman:I believe that the qualities of what I don't know exist are derived from the observation of the natural world and the rational understanding of the universe. |
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jaephoenix:Do you know what it means to someone to be open-minded? Provide your facts! |
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Maynman:[b]Stop editing my post! [/b]See what i posted and see what you quoted. Well, it might probably be divine being or whatever qualities that best suit him/it/she. It's just a temporary quality I gave the creator. You may have one, maybe i could accept yours. |
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Maynman:Is this difficult to understand, I said i don't have proof of whatsoever to prove any creator, and i do not have enough evidence to reject creator or creators? Can't you read? |
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Maynman:What is this? Is this a proof of creator does not exist? Have you studied your logic book recently? |
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jaephoenix:Really? A first class graduate? |
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Maynman:I don't have facts to prove any existence of a creator, neither do I have facts nor proof to reject it. I am not know. You claim that creator does not exist. Can you provide your proof? |
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Maynman:Can you provide a proof for this? Anyone can just bring guesses. |
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jaephoenix:Prove me wrong that I am not open-minded. |
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Maynman:What is your stand creator exist, yes or no? |
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Maynman:High reasoning person can you prove that creator does not exits? Kiddo you are still sucking breast from your mother's breast. You join atheist beacuse my friends are doing so. I You might just say you don't exist to as that you. I think you reasoning is lower than the lowest animal. See, someone saying creator does not exist, having no proof to back it, i just laugh at your ignorance. You sound dumb! |
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