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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 5:39pm On Sep 27, 2023
LordReed:


What inspired the diver to dive in the first place? Did the diver think oh there's a 50/50 chance there's gold at the bottom of the ocean? Do you think that is how mineral exploration works? You just take a chance without any concrete data?

This is a result of not digesting and understanding what you quoted. You just committed the Red Herring Fallacy; you are simply diverting from the point.
What I am saying there is about who has the capacity to verify facts and who doesn't. We all know that if I had the capacity to enter a fire without being burned, I would go inside any fire incident to rescue people, even if people lied to me or not that they were in the burning house. I have nothing to lose; I am capable. Do you have anybody capable of proving or disapproving the existence of a creator or creators?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 5:19pm On Sep 27, 2023
budaatum:


There is no problem being agnostic especially since you don't have sufficient information about the history and creation of gods. It is however not agnostic nor neutral to believe gods exist.

As for not having the capacity, kindly speak for yourself. Some have not only sought and knocked and asked with their own hearts and souls and minds, they first had Jesus open their eyes too so they can see.

Do you or anyone else have the ability to prove or disapprove that the creator does not exist? You can point to anyone who has the capacity to do so. Why bring biblical Jesus here after I told you that I am agnostic?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 5:11pm On Sep 27, 2023
budaatum:


Now, if only you were agnostic about buda, but I guess you don't know anything about me and are making up things to believe about my capacity and how long I've spent just as you are with gods.

Sir, I have gone that deep myself and do not need to rely on a diver as far as gods are concerned. It's all in books, which you can read if you can be bothered to get your hands on them, which is now so much more easier than when I began because you can now find loads on the internet.


See, science has limitations when it comes to addressing questions related to the existence or nature of a creator. We both know that science lacks the capacity to prove or disprove the existence of a universe creator. It's never been possible to make any proof whatsoever because the existence of a creator often falls outside the scope of scientific inquiry because it involves metaphysical aspects that go beyond the observable and measurable aspects of the natural world.
You cannot tell me you have the capacity to prove or disapprove of the existence of a creator unless you're just deceiving yourself. You could show me anybody on earth, present or past, who has the capacity to prove or disapprove of the existence of a creator or creators. 
 
That's why I used gold as a liken to the Creator and diver as anyone who has the capacity to prove or disapprove of the existence of a Creator, which I probably think doesn't exist. How then should you draw a conclusion about whether the creator exists or not? It sounds illogical to hold any conclusive views or existence of a creator or creators.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:52am On Sep 27, 2023
budaatum:


So, you choose to make a logical guess and believe instead of seeking to know? Isn't that what devils are written to do too and tremble while at it? Why emulate what makes devil's tremble?

I'm not going to bother trying to prove you wrong because that would be tantamount to trying to make you believe me instead, and I'd be depriving you of a learning opportunity. Do your own asking and knocking and seeking yourself. You may or may not find God but you'd learn a lot through seeking.

If you are a book believer, I'd suggest you read more and research the history of the book you believe in.

Do you know someone who is agnostic about some views? You're not speaking with a religious person; bear this in mind. Everybody must not be a Christian or other theistic religion before they point out your wrongfulness. Who is making logical guesses here? Someone who says a creator doesn't exist without proving it or someone who says creation doesn't exist without proving evidence, and there are many more of your conclusions. And I choose to be neutral or not to draw conclusions based on those views. I think we currently don't have the capacity to know the truth; hence, I remained neutral.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:33am On Sep 27, 2023
budaatum:


The diver would not return and tell me to believe he found gold. Instead, he'd show me the gold he found so I know he found gold.

And I'm not diving to find gold for you. Do your own diving is what I suggest, instead of not diving at all and believing there's gold deep in the Pacific Ocean.


Has the diver gone that deep now? Since you know that the diver has not gone that deep to bring the gold, why rush to the conclusion that there is no gold? You have not even gone that deep into the ocean, and neither do you have the capacity to do so. Why conclude? It's highly illogical to hurriedly conclude something that you have not verified.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 7:57pm On Sep 26, 2023
budaatum:
Your brother here would be the writers of the book they wrote and that you believe to represent what is inside the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.

And what if someone more qualified or up to date than your brother comes back from the bottom of the Pacific Ocean and tells you different to what your brother told you? Do you choose to believe one or the other or just continue to believe your brother instead of seeking to know with your own heart and soul and mind?

I would like to see someone who has gone so deep to find out if the gold is truly there or not. That means that person has the capacity to know the truth.
To be honest and factual, I don't think there is anyone who has the capacity to verify the truth now. Nobody has ever performed any scientific experiments or something related to show that what we see is created or not. Or whether there is a creator or creators or not. Most are just making what I call logical guesses. I might be wrong, so prove me wrong if anyone has such capacity.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 7:41pm On Sep 26, 2023
budaatum:
Your brother here would be the writers of the book they wrote and that you believe to represent what is inside the bottom of the Pacific Ocean.

And what if someone more qualified or up to date than your brother comes back from the bottom of the Pacific Ocean and tells you different to what your brother told you? Do you choose to believe one or the other or just continue to believe your brother instead of seeking to know with your own heart and soul and mind?
Firstly, this doesn't answer the questions I asked; the answer to the first question should indicate steps to take to find the truth about the gold. I probably expect you to employ the service of a diver to go that deep into the Pacific Ocean. The diver has the capacity to find out the truth himself without employing anybody, while you don't.
Secondly, you have not provided any books or facts that prove 100 percent that creators exist or not. I don't think you can even show or bring such facts or proof forward.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 7:28pm On Sep 26, 2023
budaatum:


What you observe as created, is what exists and that you assume must have been created. And you assume that because you assume that things that exist must have been created by a creator and can not consider any other way that things might have come into existence.

Mount Everest
Home to our planet’s highest peak (29,035 feet; 8,850 meters) Mount Everest the standard to which all other mountains are compared. The Nepalese name for the mountain is Sagarmatha: “mother of the universe.” Everest’s geological story began 40 million years ago when the Indian subcontinent began a slow-motion collision with Asia. The edges of two continents jammed together and pushed up the massive ridges that make up the Himalayas today.


While you may not understand my perspective on the assumption of creation, it's crucial to acknowledge that the question of existence and its origins is a complex and multifaceted one. As an agnostic, I believe in embracing uncertainty and remaining open to various possibilities. The mystery of existence is a topic that continues to challenge our understanding, and it's essential to explore different viewpoints and theories with an open mind. I don't hold dogmatic views on the concept of creation. I am being neutral here[b]. If you have valid and concrete facts on why everything we see is not created, I would gladly accept them.[/b]
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 3:30pm On Sep 25, 2023
LordReed:


I call them natural. Adding creation is an attempt to define something into reality. Essentially you are saying a creator exists because you call them creations.

I am not saying creator exist or not. What i am saying is that we can see "natural" as you called it just as we can see a painting on the wall. It is not logical to reject something we know nothing about. I am not saying you should accept there is a creator or not. But, don't you think it sound illogical to base your belief on false theories. You should at least not be in a hurry to make conclusion about things you know nothing about.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 2:25pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Prove your OWN CONCEPT.

"Well,my own concept is that "creator" refers to a divine being or a higher power that is believed to have created the univerese"
Again, I don't have evidence or proof for a creator or creators neither do i have proof to reject the evidence of a creator? Can you provide your proof now? Atheist!Lol
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 2:16pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

How did you arrive at

"Well,my own concept is that "creator" refers to a divine being or a higher power that is believed to have created the universe."


Prove that creator doe not exist. Is that too much to understand?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 2:14pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Who brought the creator CONCEPT?
Can someone asked how this guy join atheism. Do you guys provide money for atheists? Provide how you become atheist. Provide your proof for nonexistence of a creator. At least be serious for once.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 2:07pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

How did you arrive at this CONCEPT
"Wel,my own concept is creator" refers to a divin being or a higher power that is belived to have created the univease."

Explain Human Existence Stay on the topic.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 2:04pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:


Who brought the creator CONCEPT?
You are more ignorant than i see you! Kiddo! Why do you become an atheist? Did you read it that they do share money? Prove you stand.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 2:01pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Are you dumb?
You claim to know, my topic is How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence Explain this.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:57pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Ramblings, provide proof of your creator concept and how these creator is "divine" according to you.
Are you blind to read?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:52pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Your posts ridded with illiteracy, better go look up what "divine" means, one of the qualities you gave to the creator that you don't know exist or not 😂
Rejecting a creator or creators without any evidence is the highest form of illiteracy. I spit on your head. You were asked to prove your stand. And you could not but decide to ask me who is neutral about the concept of a creator to provide proof. And I replied you that I  no proof of whatsoever to give for existence of a creator nor proof to reject it. Who is the illiterate here? Atheist my foot. Being an atheist does not make you "woke". I think there are more ignorant and dumb people parading themselves as an atheist.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:38pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Are you dumb
You brought up creator, gave it your definition and called it your concept, and are neutral 😂
Please read all my post and quotes. Did you graduate from a university?

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:30pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Yes you Believe.
Just as you believe you would eat today
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:28pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

You brought in the creator asking if it exist or not, provide proof for it
Are you blind to read? Can't see you see that i am neutral?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:23pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

How did you come up with the qualities of what you don't know exist?
I did not make any conclusion that creator does not exist neither do i have proof to accept a creator for now.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:21pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

How did you come up with the qualities of what you don't know exist?
I believe that the qualities of what I don't know exist are derived from the observation of the natural world and the rational understanding of the universe.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:18pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:

Since you don't know if theres a creator, how would you know its qualities?
Do you know what it means to someone to be open-minded? Provide your facts!
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 1:11pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

How then did you come up with a creator that's a divine being?
[b]Stop editing my post! [/b]See what i posted and see what you quoted. Well, it might probably be divine being or whatever qualities that best suit him/it/she. It's just a temporary quality I gave the creator. You may have one, maybe i could accept yours.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:59pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Once you provide proof of your creator, a
Is this difficult to understand, I said i don't have proof of whatsoever to prove any creator, and i do not have enough evidence to reject creator or creators? Can't you read?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:55pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

You brought in "creator" where is the proof of that.
What is this? Is this a proof of creator does not exist? Have you studied your logic book recently?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:52pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:


You lack simple scientific knowledge judging by your posts
Really? A first class graduate?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:51pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Once you provide proof of your creator, a
I don't have facts to prove any existence of a creator, neither do I have facts nor proof to reject it. I am not know. You claim that creator does not exist. Can you provide your proof?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:45pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

There's nothing like "creator"
Can you provide a proof for this? Anyone can just bring guesses.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:43pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:

No you aint open-minded.
Lemme expound further.
What if I tell you there's a monster sitting on your head right now? Would you believe me or not? Please answer yes or no. And your reasons. I don't need a bush-beating answer.
Thank you
Prove me wrong that I am not open-minded.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:40pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Right, your creator, do you know what dogma is
What is your stand creator exist, yes or no?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:38pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Your reasoning is low, it shows.

"Science student"
High reasoning person can you prove that creator does not exits? Kiddo you are still sucking breast from your mother's breast. You join atheist beacuse my friends are doing so. I You might just say you don't exist to as that you. I think you reasoning is lower than the lowest animal. See, someone saying creator does not exist, having no proof to back it, i just laugh at your ignorance. You sound dumb!

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