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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:30pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

Whose concept, yours?
My creator has no specific definitions, i don't have enough fact to provide the full definition of what a creator is, but I can simply put that creator or creators any entity that create. We may have a creator or infinite creators.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:24pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:

You're still insisting humans and trees are created?
Damn dude! Have you completed high school?
Is this meant to be an insult? I have been a science students up till university days until now that i am a programmer in a reputable company, I have never seen any science book or books that even carried any existence of a creator.  I gave you examples of a creation, and you said they are not created, can you prove it, then you result to insult.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:16pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

No he didn't, he gave you a definition from dictionary that's neutral and you gave him your own CONCEPT
I needed him to tell me his stand or concept, of a creator? Does it know creator exist or not? He knows the creator, he is just beating around the bush. Let him tell me his stand on the existence of a creator.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:12pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:

Everything around us evolved or grew. Some were human made. Animals, rocks, trees all evolved from tiny multicellulars. How those multicellulars came to be, I don't know. But if they were created, then that means that creator must have a creator. Such powerful, wise creator surely wouldnt pop into existence, would it?
Is it logical to make conclusion on something you don't know?

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:09pm On Sep 25, 2023
jaephoenix:

You need proof of how trees grow? Proof of how they geeminate from a seed or stock and turn into that giant baobab or iroko?
Dafuq! lipsrsealed undecided cry

is this a proof for this?

jaephoenix:

Trees aren't created!
You lack simple scientific knowledge judging by your posts
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:05pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

It's your own definition and you are neutral 😂😂
He asked for the definition of a creator. I have to provide him one so that he can answer my question. He kept dodging my question.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:03pm On Sep 25, 2023
Maynman:

It's your own definition and you are neutral 😂😂
Just neutral
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 12:01pm On Sep 25, 2023
KnownUnknown:


The definition of a creator according to a dictionary is one that creates usually by bringing something new or original into being.

So, a creator can be anything from a human that created an engine to an orangutang that created a nest.

I still don’t know what you mean by “the creator”. What did this creator of yours create, cheesecake?


Well,my own concept is that "creator" refers to a divine being or a higher power that is believed to have created the universe. Does the creator exist? Yes or No
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 11:49am On Sep 25, 2023
KnownUnknown:


What is “the creator”?
Check your dictionary
Does the creator exist? Yes or No
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 11:45am On Sep 25, 2023
KnownUnknown:


Fine. What do you mean by creator?
Why can’t this creator been perceived that you have to ask me if it exists or not?
Who created this creator?
Is there a “creator race” like we have the human race?



Does the creator exist? Yes or No
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 11:39am On Sep 25, 2023
KnownUnknown:


I don’t have to proof anything because I did not a make the claim. Whether you accept it fully or not, the fact remains that the creator you keep hammering on about is a product of your imagination. You have not written anything and you are not capable of writing anything that will proof that the creator is anything more than your imagination. You are not on neutral ground. I’m definitely “woke” but I’m not an atheists. I know gods are imaginary. It’s not a belief.
Can you just provide an answer to this question;[b]What is stand on existence of a creator? Does it exist or not? [/b]Just provide the answer and nothing more.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 11:29am On Sep 25, 2023
KnownUnknown:


It’s a philosophical that eschews magic and unfounded nonsense without wishful thinking. You have no reason to insist on the existence of a creator other than wishful thinking.

There is no proof that rejects or accepts the existence of a creator because it an imaginary creation of your own making.

 
The need for logical proof often arises when a negative statement makes a factual assertion or a claim about reality. You made a factual claim that there is no Creator, so I demand you state your proof. Don't come here and ask me for any proof if you can't provide evidence for what you claim. You are more ignorant than the way I see it. Personally, I don't claim to have concluded that there is no Creator, nor do I accept it fully. I am just on neutral ground. I'm sorry for this generation of woke atheists who claim there are no creators because they read a book that doesn't prove the existence of a creator. cool cool
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 10:20am On Sep 25, 2023
LordReed:


You are they one calling them creations so you have to provide the evidence that they are creations. Merely calling them creations is not sufficient.

Do you have any names to add to it? I might not have any name for things like that other than "natural creation", so you might just give me the name that best fits it. Natural creations refer to the formation or emergence of elements, entities, or phenomena through natural processes.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:43am On Sep 25, 2023
LordReed:



LoLz. There we go, we get to where it turns to insults over being asked to provide evidence yet I am the dogmatic, closed minded one. You just revealed that you are merely projecting and are the dogmatic childish one who can't see beyond his nose and thinks everyone else has his personal shortcomings. When you are ready for a conversation without being a baby hit me up.

Sorry, brother, if that sounds insulting to you. Also, read through all my posts and quotes; does it sound illogical to you? Does it make sense to conclude there is no painter while seeing evidence of painting, even though we cannot see the painter who painted? If you can't see creations around you and are still asking for evidence of a creation, I don't think I can help further. How can you see the earth, sea, humans, etc. while still asking for evidence of a creation? My views are not dogmatic, and I am open-minded to things I don't have evidence for. We barely know 10 percent of the world around us; why hurry to draw conclusions about things you know nothing about? It's more logical to be open-minded.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 8:41am On Sep 25, 2023
KnownUnknown:


It is an imaginary character of your own making.
Any philosophical view that concludes that a creator or creators don't exist is highly illogical. It's really foolish to conclude that there is no creator, as there is no proof that rejects or accepts the existence of a creator. Your view is a philosophical lie! It seems you're joking or what.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 8:20am On Sep 25, 2023
LordReed:


When you are ready to provide evidence hit me up meanwhile spare me your gripes about atheists, that is totally uninteresting to me.

I might be talking with a kid who doesn't see life beyond the mother's home. It's like saying there is no food in the house. And someone pointed out the rice in the house. My fellow still said there is no food; I should show him or her food. And he or she is seeing food on the table. And he or she would still ask for evidence of food. Does this really make sense at all? 
A reminder: evidence of a creation is natural creations like humans, trees, etc. Does making illogical guesses nullify the existence of a creator because you didn't see it? Provide answers to the questions being asked.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 11:22pm On Sep 24, 2023
KnownUnknown:


I’m not an atheist and creator is what people call the unfounded sentient agent allegedly responsible for the universe.

My rule of thumb is if it sounds like nonsense it must be nonsense. Nonsense usually involves exaggerated claims or claims of the “supernatural” that contradict how we experience reality.
So the idea of a creator is nonsense.


Should I take the above quote to mean you are saying the Creator does not exist? Are saying the Creator does not exist? Just to know your stand.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:53pm On Sep 24, 2023
LordReed:


You asked me what causes natural processes, I said interaction of energy and matter. You then ask what proof I have of that and I responded with every scientific principle and observation. I never said scientific principles and observation are what cause natural processes rather they are proof that natural processes are a result of interaction between energy and matter. Get it?

I have been an atheist before, and I have done more than you have. See, I had first-hand experience of a spiritual word existing. I have had my first experience with dead-people communication. This life is beyond the material or physical world. You have been lied to! It's more honest and logical to be open-minded about things than dogmatic about them. Atheists are even more dogmatic about their views than theists. Science books are their holy books, just as the Bible is the book of Christians. Science has been politicized. The truth has been hidden.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:33pm On Sep 24, 2023
budaatum:


So, you choose to believe instead? I like that. I have not bothered to check my bank statement, so I don't have enough facts to reject the existence of the million pounds I want to believe was deposited in it last week.
No! I still lack belief in any known god or gods. But I am open-minded to the existence of the Creator because there is not enough evidence to disapprove of or approve of the gods. But my point is that there is more evidence of the existence of a creator than not. It's better if I am on neutral ground.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:27pm On Sep 24, 2023
KnownUnknown:


What’s so far fetched about gold being at the bottom of the sea?!!!

I’m not sure if you’re really young and uneducated or just incredibly ignorant.
Well, can you answer the question from the analogy? Since you claim to know all, Personally, I am open-minded to things and not as close-minded as you atheists. By the way, what is your view on the existence of a Creator? Does it exist or not?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:20pm On Sep 24, 2023
jaephoenix:

Explain 'natural means'
Thus by this definition there is artificial creation

Natural means" refers to processes, actions, or methods that are part of or consistent with the laws and principles of the natural world. There are artificial creations, like drugs. Can you prove there is no natural creation by natural means? Maybe you could state where scientists say those natural creations are not creations created by natural means. 
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:10pm On Sep 24, 2023
jaephoenix:

We know how buildings come into place. Matter of fact, we have seen buildings being built and what's more, the building process is well documented
What is your stand on the concept of a creator or creators? Do you know if it exists or if it doesn't exist?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:09pm On Sep 24, 2023
jaephoenix:

Trees aren't created!
You lack simple scientific knowledge judging by your posts
What is your proof for this claim? Where did you read it? Can you point me to the facts? Don't just tell me you have no proof for this claim. Put into writing here facts and not illogical guesses.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:03pm On Sep 24, 2023
budaatum:


So, you choose to believe instead? I like that. I have not bothered to check my bank statement, so I don't have enough facts to reject the existence of the million pounds I want to believe was deposited in it last week.

Most atheists do not believe gods do not exist. As opposed to having facts provided for them (as is expected by the believer who is lazy and prefers to be told what to believe), they do research by asking and knocking and seeking with all their own heart and soul and mind and being until they actually find out and therefore know that we humans create gods in our own images.

First though, you'd need Jesus Christ to open your eyes so you can see the facts.

Let us take this analogy: I am not a sea diver, and so I don't have the capacity to go inside the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. I have tried to go deep, but I lack the capacity to do so. And I have a brother or someone that can go that deep into the ocean, or probably must have gone inside. And someone told me there was gold at the bottom of the sea. What would you do to verify the truth? So I lack the capacity to even reject the Creator. You can go ahead and provide that fact or books that claim there is no creator with 100 percent proof. I am open-minded about the Creator.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 9:26pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


Every scientific principle and observation you can think of.
Is this proof or a joke? Is this a proof of what causes the natural process? So all scientific principles, according to you, such as Isaac Newton's first law of motion, started the natural process. cool cool cool

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:36pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


I know mansions have human builders because I have observed that and the evidence abounds therefore it is mundane to assume that any mansion I see was built by a human. However if the claim is there is a specific human who built this mansion or all mansions then we need evidence to substantiate such a claim. You have provided no evidence that some creator did anything and since we have not observed any creators creating any universes then the claim is not mundane enough to be assumed. You can't logic things into existence.

Natural processes are caused by the interplay between matter and energy.
What proof do you have for the bolded?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:33pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


Dude you are the one making the claim, you need to show how nature and it's laws are evidence for a creation. You can't switch it and be asking me.
Which evidence are you looking for while we see natural creations such as trees and many more? You are a creation!

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Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:13pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


If we are only focused on natural means then yes according to your definition the Earth is a "natural creation".
See, I do not claim certainty about nonexistence of a creator or creators because i don't have enough facts to rejects its existence. Can you provide provide that fact?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 6:02pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


Still no. Our observations do not lend credence to the notion that nature was created. What our observations reveal is natural things in this universe come about by natural processes, not by the actions of a "creator".

Evidence in addition to what you have said needs to show a claim to be true.

A simple analogy is this: I saw a mansion at a place. And I couldn't see the builder. Does it just make sense to say there is no builder? Is it logical to conclude that the builder of such a mansion doesn't exist? What cause the natural process?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 4:44pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


What does "natural creation" mean?
"Natural creation" typically refers to the process by which entities, or others come into existence through natural means.
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 4:38pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


Where did I say "creation didn't exist"?

No they are not evidence of creation since we know how they formed and there was no "creator" involved.

Meanwhile you are yet to show how nature and it's laws are evidence of a creation.

Evidence refers to information, facts, data, or observations that support or justify a claim. So, by observation, we can say nature is evidence of creation. What is your definition of evidence?
Religion / Re: How Do Atheists Address The Question Of Human Existence? by gisevak: 4:25pm On Sep 18, 2023
LordReed:


You mean is the Earth natural. Sure, it is.
Is the Earth a natural creation?

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