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 Christianity Etc › Re: Atheists, What Do You Think About Prayer? by globexl: 4:32pm On Sep 04, 2011 |
frosbel:I was raised christian so most times when i say "oh my god or jesus christ" , it more out out habit than out of genuine faith. Remeber, these beliefs and habits were drummed into our consciouness at infancy, long before we could even articulate a single thought of our own. As for prayer, martian got right when he called it a Placebo. A feel-good drug. We generated megatons of prayer power everyday in Nigeria, And, ? Any sign that we are being heard? Nobody home Or are we dialing the wrong number? We need to eradicate malaria. A pastor came to me once and give me a piece of paper and an envelope to write my prayer request so that his prayer warriors convey the message to god. i smiled and wrote as my prayer request,the eradication of malaria. That was along time ago. malaria is still killing thousands of children everyday in Nigeria. Why Frosbel? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are Pastors Cashing In On Ember Months? by globexl: 5:20am On Sep 04, 2011 |
The entire edifice of chritianity is built on fear and guilt. One you have fear, you are most likely to seek protection especially from an omnipotent god. fera is the univeral currency of the judeo-Christian religions. You hav eto fear God and the devil is always lurking in the shadows to cause you harm. Our minds are still stuck in the dark ages. During festive seasons, the police in advanced countries mount agressive media campaigns and road checks to remind people to drink less and drive more carefully to reduce accidents . But In Nigeria, we believe less in the laws of physics and the laws of cause and effects. We believe more in the supernatural, like blood sucking demons in our dangerous and delapidated roads used by mostly illiterate and semi-literate drivers driving unsafe vehicles while under the influence of alcohol, marajuana or just their deluded self confidence in their long and lenghty prayers or their juju talismans. Common sense is a very scarce in Nigeria. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Did Biblical Kings David And Solomon Actually Exist by globexl: 5:04am On Sep 04, 2011 |
Yes. No evidence whatsoever. This is quite suspicious. It is becoming very clear that much of the biblical tales were borrowed from the myths of other cultures not only in the middle east but as far as India. Till date ,there has been no historical, literary or archeological evidence to onfirm the mere existence of these two very important biblical characters. The psalms, attributed to King david, are beleived to be copied from ancient egyptian texts and bear great resemblence to one titled "Hymns To Ra". The proverbs, attributed to King Solomon, are found in the book called the Egyptian book of the dead, copied from a much earlier text titled" The Precepts of Ptah-Hotep", written by an Egyptian priest of the old kingdom. These texts predate the bible by thousands of years. The entire ten commandments and the lords prayer can also be found in this same text almost verbatim. It is quite obvious that the Isrealite priests and scribes, while in exile in Babylon in around 650Bc, decided to formulate a historical narrative for the benefit of future generations of Isrealites as a way to instill pride and keep them united in the face of the imminent disintegration. They borrowed heavily from Egyptian, Babylonian and ancient Mesopotamian sources to compile the old testament books. It was just a simple matter of substituting thier Diety, yahweh /Jehova in place of the dieties of the other cultures from whom much of their theological narratives were borrowed. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When Was The Bible Written? by globexl: 3:03am On Sep 03, 2011 |
CORRECTIONS: The old testament was compiled around 650bc when the ancient isrealites were exiled in Babylon as an atempt by the priest and elders to chronicle and preserve their history for the generations of Isrealites. Much of the older books were copied from much older mesapotamian texts. Many of the books were also copied from sacred Egyptian texts which the Isrealites had been privy to while in Egypt for 400yrs. The Isrealite priests simply inserted their supreme deity, yahweh, in the places where the babylonians and egyptians had theirs. Sacred texts discovered in mesapotamia by modern archeologist clearly show that much of the biblical tales such as creation, adam and eve, Noah and the flood, the tower of babel, the destruction of sodom and Gomorrah were copied from babylonian texts that predated the bible by several thousand years. the anciaent Babylonian texts are called The Enuma Elish, Era Eppos and Atra Hasis. Just google these nanes and read what is available on them. the new testament books were written by unknown writers around 300Ad and was put together by a Synod of Bishops who had the task of selecting from among the hundreds of religious texts and epistles floating around at that time. They were tasked with determining which of the books seemed the most authentic ,and ofcourse, to reject the ones that contradicted the articles of the new faith. In the process, about 65 books altogether were rejected because their themes fell outside of the scope of both the religious and political objectives of the new Roman Universal(catholic) church. These rejected books are called the non-canonical books and are available for anyone that is curious to know. Over the centuries much of the bible has been redacted and revised periodically to fit into new theological ideas and dogma. an example of redaction and revision is psalms 82. In the older versions of the bible, it reads: "Jehovah for judgement in the mids of the elohim(elohim is a plural, meaning assembly of the gods) where he is judged by the elohim for not protecting the weak and the poor". In the modern versions today, the same chapter reads: "God sits in the assembly of the mighty(?) where he jugdes among them". The question you should be asking is: who are these unnamed mighty that the God , the creator of the universe should sit among?For those that have doubts or for the religious police about to shout me down, I suggest you google any of these topics to see the wealth of information that is avavilable. Do not take my word for it. Do the search on your own. Another good and sensible question worht asking is : If the Bibile is the infaling word of god, the almighty written by inspired prophets , then WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL TEXTSS from which they were translated? Pls dont tell me that they lost or threw away the originals and kept the copies. Thank you |
| Christianity Etc › Re: When Was The Bible Written? by globexl: 2:55am On Sep 03, 2011 |
The old testament was compiled around 650bc when the ancient isrealites were exiled in Babylon as an atempt by the priest and elders to chronicle and preserve their history for the generations of Isrealites. Much of the old books were copied from much older mesapotamian texts. many of the books were also copied from sacred egyptian texts which the Isrealites had been privy to while in Egypt for 400yrs. The Isrealite priests simply inserted their supreme deity yahweh in the places where the babylonians and egyptians had theirs. Sacred texts discovered in mesapotamia by modern archeologist clearly show that much of the biblical tales such as creation, adam and eve, Noah and the flood, the tower of babel, the destruction of sodom and Gomorrah were copied from babylonian texts that predated the bible by several thousand years. the anciaent Babylonian texts are called The enuma elish, era eppos and Atra Hasis. Just google these nanes and read what is available on them. the new books were written by unknown writer around 300Ad and was put together by a Synod Bishops who had the task of selecting from among the hundreds of religious texts and epistles foating around at that time. They were tasked with determining which books ones seemed the most authentic ,and ofcourse, to reject the ones that contradicted the articles of the new faith. In the process, about 65 books altogether were reject because their themes fell outside of the scope of both the religious and political objectives of the new Roman Universal(catholic) church. These rejected books are called the non-canonical books and are available for anyone that is curious to know. Over the centuries much of the bible has been redacted and revised periodically to fit into new theological ideas and dogma. an example of redaction and revision is psalms 82. In the older versions of the bible, it reads: "Jehovah for judgement in the mids of the elohim(elohim is a plural, meaning assembly of the gods) where he is judged by the elohim for not protecting the weak and the poor". In the modern versions today, the same chapter reads: "God sits in the assembly of the mighty(?) where he jugdes among them". The question you should be asking is: who are these unnamed mighty that the God , the creator of the universe should sit among?For those that have doubts or for the religious police about to shout me down, I suggest you google any of these topics to see the wealth of information that is avavilable. Do not take my word for it. Do the search on your own. Another good and sensible question worht asking is : If the Bibile is the infaling word of god, the almighty written by inspired prophets , then WHERE ARE THE ORIGINAL TEXTSS from which they were translated? Pls dont tell me that they lost or threw away the originals and kept the copies. Thank you |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 11:14pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
THis m.oron is here. . this thread is going sour from here on. am out. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 11:12pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
this Idiot is here. am out . Good night. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 11:00pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
very few athiest in the known universe. But u know that universe is a very dark place and that it only takes one bright star to light up an entire solar system? yes one bright star. one small candle lights up an entire dark room. abi? you get my gist. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 10:44pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
toba:You have brought me back. Pls study American history. USa is power because a bunch of white europeans sailed to north american, a land full of natural resources, stole that land from the natives, deliberately killed them to almost a point of extiction, then set out explore the land and the resourses for themselves using SLAVE LABOUR FROM AFRICA. 2. The founding fathers where not CHRISTIANS(THANK GOD)pls read up on that. They were freemasons(freethinkers and atheist) who guranteed freedom for all by seperating religion from the state. that singular act attracted people from all over the world especially scientific minds to engage their mind in scientif persuit without persecution from the religious bigots of that era. It is freedom to explore that has made USA the most wealthiest ation on earth, not christianity.this is jus a summary.Almost every US president to date have been freemasons. 80% of the drafter of the american constitution wer eknown freemasons including George washington. The freemasons and the rosicrucians are responsible for the imasculation of the power of the church . They destroyed the church by pointing out an alternate vision of reality. Its called REASON.Pls read up on Amercan history. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 10:31pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
@toba: For the record. i dont know anything abt evangelical athiesm. anyone dumb enough to evangelise athiesm is in the same category as people evangelising blind faith. What we are doing is attempting to have sensible debates that all can learn from. i know more from debating with you today , so i'm further enriched. Good night. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 10:25pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
I' bowing out. Good night everyone till we meet again on another thread. Lol. But a thought for you Toba. Studies show that nations whose citizens enjoy the highest standards of living have abt 60 to 80% of their citizens as atheist. Sweden, Switzerland, Finland and other scandinavian countries are among these nations. there are also the nations that most peaceful(past and present), most economically equal and most tolerant. Could this be a mere coincidences or is there some kind of correlation between lack of faith and standard of living. I wonder. Interesting though, dont you think? |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 10:17pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
toba:My child is asking me who created god, where is heavon and why can't god just kill the devil? |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:48pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
@Toba. can u please answer those questions for my child. Pls |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:45pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
toba: |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:40pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
they have just humiliated another African hero and we dumb dumbs are clapping our hands for them. who is our hero now. NATO? |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:35pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
@harakiri: i dont know if u have heard of john lynch, the famous slave trader who travelled all over the carribean to teach slave owners how creata and maintain the perfect slave. In his slave manual, he told his clients that slavery is not just about chains and whips. That the perfect slave is the slavery of the mind. he went ahead to outline in great detail, how they were to create a perfect slave that keep itself going for at least three 300 yrs. First, pick out the most stubborn slave and humiliate him in the presence of his woman and his children, that way, the woman and children will look up to you. destroy their heroes and present yourself as their hero. establish fear, distrust and evny amonst them so that cannot unite against you. do not allow him to speak your language, give him a broken down language because if he speaks like you , he will think like you. and lastly, do not allow light(knowledge) to enter his head, otherwise u will become his slave. This manual was written some 300 or more yrs ago and many slave owners used it to their benefits, You can agree that the techniques have been working far more better than he expected. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:20pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
I can sell my ideas to you but I have no beliefes i can sell to you unless I think ur stupid enough to buy anything i sell to you. I dont mean to be derog., but ideas and beleifes belong in different realms. Poor unenlighted and fireightened people are more likely to cling to beliefs and enlightened people formulate ideas, exchange them sell them and alter them when the need arises. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:16pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
an idea can be subjected to tests and observation. An idea can be rejected if it does not meet certain universally accepted parameters. a BELIEF has none of these qualities. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:14pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
IDEAS ARE VERY DIFFERENT FROM BELIEFS. C'mon TOBA. REASON |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 9:05pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
tell us how many scientist have converted to christianityand privide us with statistics to show that unpopularity of athiesm in the wolrd. U see what i mean again? blanket statement with no facts. You are not talking to elementary school children mr. Toba. facts pls. facts pls. An example of convoluted logic.Its impossible for the universe and life to have evolved out of nothing because god created it.Ok fine. But who created god? No one knows but its possible that god created himself( out of nothing?). toba: |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 8:31pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
Toba obviously thinks that atheism is some kind of competing religion. You see what I mean. He does not get it. atheism simply means I dont buy the crap you are selling or I dont smoke the opium that you are smoking. Its inherently illogical for me to have to prove that you. Who are we trying to convert? convert to WHAT? athiesm unpopular? its not a fad. most people are born to believe,obey and follow and very few people are born to ask questiona. Interestly, and evidently, the few that are born to question are the ones that have moulded a better world for humankind. History is my witness. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 8:20pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
It is not about believing in anything . its about the convoluted logic. I have never seen any good or coherent agrgument from the other side. i never expect them to agree with me, but please make a good argument for whatever case you have. Think out your argument before u present it because it is going to be analysed and critisized. Instead, they find comfort in name mudslinging and calling. So I hav eto wonder, where is the intelligence. an intelligent person can always present a good argument for either pro or con debate. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 8:03pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
@harakiri: Hey bros , you see what I said earlier? There seems to be an epidemic of stupidity in our land |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 8:01pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
toba:Thats funny. meet you up for what? a debate or a duel to the death? So not showing up made him a coward? You crack me up. U really expected someone to come to lekki to debate u on religion and faith? who will be the referee and what would have been the prize? And while your are doing this debate, a Hindu or Budhist in India or China is in lab testing new malaria tablets to save millions of African children from preventable deaths. We are PATHETIC. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 7:47pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
@D-sense: I have no idea abt. what you just said. i just pointed ou tthe flaw in your argument. I expect you to do the same to mine.My statements were simple and to the point.U conveniently igored them in your response. HHHMMM. No be fight anyway. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 7:00pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
D-sense:Ha ha ha. Another convoluted logic. You are saying that faith and religion are the ideal regualtors of human behavoir to toward good? That is hogwash. Religion and holy books have been with us for thousands of years. How far have they gone in helping to establish the ideal human society? c'mon answer that? was it religion, faith or the holy books that give you all the freedoms and previledges you enjoy as a human beaing today? History shows that the opposite has been the case. If you must have some background to feel real and sensible as a human being, why did you not stick with traditions and faiths of your forefathers? Were they wrong? |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 6:40pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
harakiri:Mine too my brother. I remember back in 1992, one of our modern day thinkers, Prof. Wole Soyinka, lamented loudly that there was a dearth of Intelligence in the land. Today, it's more like an epidemic of stupidity in the land. |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 6:23pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
@pendo 89; Who is qualified and by what means do we discern the things of god? Who do we trust to interpret the wish of this god? pastors and priests? Ha hah hah. Very convenient. We cannot discern the ways of god, so we have to trust someone or some group to feed us with god's truth.ha ha ha ah. That is the CLASSIC method, the very basis for religious fraud. The point we atheist or non beleivers try to make in these types of debates is quite simple. religious faith, no matter what it means or does for you inside of you, is and has been untrustworhty and unreliable as a basis for unstanding our universe, our environment, and our lives and our interactions with ourselve and our environment and our place in the universe. History is my proof of that above statement. Reason, borne out of observation, experimentation and analysis have proven to be more universal, more reliable and predictable tools to confront the challanges of living. keep your faith where it belongs, in the sacred precints of your mind, heart or soul. Do not expect me to trust or rely on what emanates from your mind or heart or soul to mould my life and my philosophy. Faith might be good and blissful for you, but out side of your mind, it takes on a dangerous persona. It becomes very descructive. Again, history is my proof. The world would better off without it( my opinion). |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 3:25pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
globexl:If we cannot understand spiritual things with our carnal mind, what do we use and to whom can we entrust that task of interpreting spiritual things? Pastors? Ha ha hha ha. You see, that is the classic con game. "U can neither hear, see nor understand god, so let me do it for you". |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 3:12pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
pendo89:I'm sorry to be negative, but what u just wrote is quite meaningless. God is a spirit so we cannot understand him and his ways? Then what is the purpose of religon? Why have humans built a huge edifice called religion trying to tell us that god is this and god is that and he likes this and he likes that? If god created us imperfect, then why are we worshipping god? If you beliueve whgat you just said, then religion is a fraud or at best, irrelevant, If we cannot understand things of the spirit , then why bother at all? Why dont we spend more time to understand the things we can see and observe? |
| Romance › Re: Would You Date An Atheist? by globexl: 2:53pm On Sep 01, 2011 |
I am an athiest, my wife is a born again christian, we have each other for 18 yrs and have been married for 14yrs. I actually went to her church just to toast to her the first time I saw her. We have lively debates about faith and religion, but at the end we just make jokes of each other. We have a good relationship founded on love, respect and honesty.Our differences have never been an issue in our relationship. We are both involved in lots of charity work(shockingly, churches are missing in action when it comes to charity work). We had a tradional and a court wedding. Wei did not want our sacred vows sanctified by any thieving pastor. No church child dedications because we prefered the honest Blessings of our parents than in the creepy hands and perverted hearts of the churchmen. iIattend church with her once in while to see if i could learn something new or to reinforce my virtous qualities but I'm always dissapointed at the end of the service. They spend 1 hr singing and dancing, then the pastor spends another 1hr talking about himself and then the next hour talking about the devil and the last hour trying to pick people's pockets. same routine each time I go there. same old same old . what else is new? Her chrich memebers are actually the ones always trying to put a wedge between us on account of my lack of faith. On our children, I allow them to go tto church so they can have a background knowledge of what religion is about before they begin to reson. they have already started asking me some interesting question like : Who created god?, Where is heaven, Why doesn't god just kill the devil(lol), and so on. I am pleased that they have taken after me and asking simple but serious questions. |
