Catered4:






Hello sir/ma

A bag of dry pepper is N9000. The transportation and Labor is N1500. In lagos market, a bag goes for N12,000, N13,000 depending on the market.

What is the actual weight in lbs or kg of this bag of dry pepper ?
And can you also gives us any information on Egusi, Ogbono and Oloyin Beans.

Thanks for this most valuable thread.

Ileke-IdI:


You have them. . . . but you cannot respect them enough to put their skills to good use outside of the bedroom.

Why is the likelihood of Nigerian women succeeding outside of Nigeria higher than inside of Nigeria?

Look at those messing up this great nation, 99% of them are men. You have Orji and OBJ's dumbazz over there doing their own thing.

With the level of corruption an avg Nigerian man exhibits, the likelihood of putting Nigerian women's varied skills into good use is 1/10000.

Right on. The system is rigged against women. Infact, the system reduces women to cash and carry commodities and then goes on to victimize and for their lowly stature in the same society .
We should sympatize with women of Nigeria, they need our support and care. It has been empasized over and over again by the UN agencies that wherever women are economically empowered, poverty is reduced and progress can be seen. Even in Nigeria, areas where where there are greater oppression of women tend to suffer the most poverty.

Do you ask what is done with the tithe money or you dont care? Since we know that it is not remitted to god in heaven, Who is the custodian or god's treasurer? Doe sthe pastor EVER give account of the amt collected and what he does with the money ? Those are the real questions.

Davidlan, Frosbel and Enigma, are you all reading this? See what bible-carrying maggots dd to the black race.
" self-refeling and self-generating"
WOW!

Can we now see the root of all our problems like wars, distrust, envy and fear of one another?

Here is an example:

The black slave, after receiving this indoctrination, shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for hundreds of years, maybe thousands.


I "m weeping uncontrollably.

Has anyone read the letter by Willie Lynch in 1772 titled "The making of a perfect slave" ?

Here is the link.

http://www.daveyd.com/willlynch.html

In time ,we will abandon most of our assumptions about the origin and workings of the universe.

10% to God? ok, fine.

OLAADEGBU:

It is true that charlatans have bastardised God's financial programme for His people but that is no reason for the children of God to throw out the baby with the bath water. The enemy specialises in half truths and lies.

What is god's financial program? Taking money from innocent people and enriching yourself? What do you give back in return to the people whose pocket you pick from?

But how do you remit the 10% to god?. What do you do with this 10%?. I can even understsnd if you give all of the tithe you collect to charity for the less previledged. Would that not be doing god's work? Can you pls explain?
When did god ask you to collect on his behalf?
When did he authorise you to avail yourself of this 10% and enrich your self and your family?
How, in your god's name can you justify living on the sweat of others?
Thieves thieves. All of those you that live like parasites, picking the pockets of your faithful.
I doubt if you would be a pastor or whatever you call yourselves if there were no opportunities to steal .
All of you that steal and parasite on the sweat of others,
You people are the worst of the very worst. Surely there must be a special place in hell for all you parasites.

omoalayo:

poster, What is wrong in paying tithe.? You re one of the lazy Christians who don't even want 2 gve God 10% of what they have, The Bible says bring the whole tithe into the house of the Lord, The bible says give and it shall be given unto u, I do pay my tithe I even pay 20% cos I find it had to divide my properties nto 10 nd give God my creator 1 out of da ten,

What % of your income have you given to the needy all around you? And i know the needy are far too many. i 'm sure you know many that are needy, dont you? what % have u given to improve the lives of needy peole around you. You are the lazy Christian. You feel its much easier to bribe god than to meaningfully contribute to the welfare of his creations.
Shame on all of you.

newken:

Have a true encounter with Jesus. Give your life to him. Feel peace flowing like rivers of water in your heart. Only then can you judge and decide if truly religion has done more bad than good.

Dont you admire Jesus, the only man without sin. Living for 30 years without a single sin. Tell me. Is that natural? Jesus came to save us all from everlasting death. He died for you and me. Have you ever fallen in love with a lady and she doesn't even respect or given you time to express youself? Have you been complaining about your wife or husband who doesnt respond to your love and care? You know how bad you feel. How much more is Mighty Jesus, who died because of you. In his words'' in this world,, you shall have tribulations. but be of good cheer for i have overcome the world''

the troubles of the world has made religion look bad. Before you judge. Allow the prince of peace to reign in your life.

Jesus is waiting for you. Go on your knees and ask for forgiveness of your sins. Invite him into your life.

And how did you come to the conlusion that he lived without sin? Do you have a complet chronicle of his life from infancy to age 30? Do you?
And what about the disciple of whom it was written in the bible , "The disciple whom Jesus loved".
Who was that unnamed person and what type of special love was that?
And what about his rage and behaviour in the temple when he scattered the merchants in the temple?. Is rage and anger not a sin?
I would love to hear your explanation.
Thank you.

zataxs:

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OMG.
This is hilarious.
You see. There are not right or wrongs.
Its all a matter of " VIEWPOINT"
Catholics derided us for paying homage tothe spirits of our ancestors, but they turn around to worship the graveyards,bones and relics of dead saints.
Hilarious.

frosbel:

Shocking to say the least

Greed !


There is something inherently fraudulent in the concept of Christianity that so many so called Nigerian MOG have. It is a means to an end, a financial end at that.

But if you read the scriptures, it is well documented that this was going to be the case.


If you read the message of Jesus, it was never about money, it was about salvation and loving GOD above all else and your fellow man.



greed , fear and ignorance.

Greed because many people today worship GOD for what they can get out of him, not what they can do for others.


Fear, because they are told that not to tithe equates to sin in God's eyes.

Ignorance because they do not read bible for themselves , but rely on 'wolves' to interpret scripture which in many cases is twisted out of context to suit their purpose and agenda.



It has to do with deception.


No it is not.

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No doubt we also agree on this which is why I left the catholic church.

And yes she has passed her DNA to many other churches who now deceive whole congregations and exploit them for money.

Summary :

If Christians truly loved GOD and read the bible for themselves, if they were content and not greedy, they will never fall prey to these deceivers !!

This is shocking to me.
I agree with EVERYTHING you have just pointed out.
Jesus preached truth but christianity is founded on lies.
What is the forward for spiritual salvation considering that most of humanity(Abrahamic adherents) need guidance and handholding in their spiritual journey?

How about alternative spiritual path like Buddhism. The teachings of Jesus, especially the Sermon on the mount, are akin to Buddist philosophies.
Dont you agree?

@neotic16:
You are contradicting yourself so much on this thread. Earlier, you stated and i quote again" The holy spirit is the active spirit of god that dwells in the BELIEVER".
BELIEVER being the key word here.
You have repeated it again by saying that " many people (I assume, christians) experience god",
Implying once more that the beliefe and experience of god is PURELY subjective. Right?
WE both AGREE on these statements of yours and I'm happy for you that the holy spirit dwells in you and you experience god. There is nothing wrong with that. By the same token, you will agree with me too that a lot of people in the world, my self included, do not smoke that opium(sorry to use that word) and therefore are not subject to , and are free to deny the same indwelling holy spirit and godly experience as you do. Is anything wrong with that? Can you live with that?
That sums up the ongoing Athiest-Thiest chasm that is going on this forum and in world. Is it not?
What else are you trying to add. You seem to be running around in circles.

Deep Sight:

When i consistently have dreams that play out in reality in exact detail as appeared in my dream, and when this has happened consistently since my childhood and continues up till now (I am in my thirties) this tells me that there is a super-structure about this reality beyond that which is observable with our physical senses.

Can't prove that to anyone but myself though.

C'mon Deepsight,
Dreams are subjective and can be given any type interepretation. No two persons can have the same interpretations of the same dream.Your subjective experiences do not point to any thing other than what YOUR mind makes of them.
Electromagnetic waves are beyond our observable physical senses, so are sub-atomic particles and many others that we are yet to even discover. SO? We built instruments to detect them.
There are definitely many super structures about  our realities we are yet to fully grasp. That is true. We are hearing theories of a multiverse(many layers universes on top of each other). Your obsession is how it started and who started it. The truth is that we dont know. Period. Anything else is just speculation and fantasy. Is it possible to picka point where infinite space started and where it ends? It is possible to pinpoint when time began and wher eit may end?

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I have dreamt about this idea soooo many times.

"In the great works of others we recognise our own rejected thoughts, as they come back to us with a certain alienated majesty" - Ralph Waldo Emerson.

I have known and worked with people of all faiths, from hindus to buddhist, shintoist, Confucionist, Taoist, Zoroasterist, etc. The christians are by far the most intolerant , insecure and most ingnorant of the very faith they profess.
I have never been harassed by a muslim, a hindu, buddhist or members of any other religion for that matter. I get harassed everyday(even today) by christians to come and join their (Lonely?)religion. When I politely say no thanks , they probe for my reasons, when I give my reasons, all hell breaks loose. At the end of every encounter, I'm insulted and condemned to eternal hell fire.
It is human nature to get frustrated and push back once in while.
It is also human nature that when I see anyone in this forum or any other public forum lash out at athiests or agnostics, I would usually fireback in defence of my right to believe or not to believe all the religious scrap out there.
Once stand up to defend my right, then i am called an evengelical athiest.

Frosbel, for once we agree.
But what is responsible for all this holy fraud?
Is there something inherently faudulent about christianity?
Why is it so easy to decieve people with god?
Does it have to with the fact that people dont see god, dont hear god, dont feel god ,but always depend on others in (pretentious) authority to intermediate between the so- called god?
The catholic church is the motherchurch. If the catholic church was founded on,built on, and perpetuated by fraud as you allege, then no doubt, she must have surely passed on her (fraudulent) DNA to her many wayward children.

noetic16:

is there any logical evidence to support your assertion? any empirical evidence? and jaw-dropping intellectual argument?

Yes there is. There is a good intellectual argument. It was made by you. So I'm just quoting from your wisdom.
" The holy spirit is the active spirit of god that dwells in the BELIEVER."

Athiesm is not a religion so dawkins stands on his own. I have not read his book, though I have watched his debates.
from whichever angle he chooses to debate the issue, the fundamental conclusion is the same, vis-a-vis: God (or holy spirit) dwells in the mind of the BELIEVER.(repeating after you)

@noetic16

My case, along with other athiests is that the idea of god is created and dwells in the cozy realms of the human mind.

Again @noetic16:
Active active spirit of god that dwells in BELIEVERS?
BUT THAT IS WHAT HAWKINS AND ALL OTHER ATHIESTs HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG.
ITS ALL DWELLS IN MIND(OR BODY) OF THE BELIEVER.

WHAT ARE THE ARGUMENTS ABOUT, THEN?

@ neotic16

Active spirit of god that dwells in BELIEVERS? BELIEVERS of what?
You have just indicted yourself! You have confirmed it. The holy spirit dwells in the mind of the believer.
I REST MY CASE.

Martian:

The third character in the multiple personality disorder called God.

You said it best

It is stated in the bible that the esoteric message of jesus was revealed to an elect few of his discliples.Right?
The fundamental question is: From what was christianity built upon? From the wheat or from the shaff? From the esoteric messages revealed to few or from the parables thrown to the unthinking masses?
I think it was built on the latter.
I think, infact, it is self-evident, that about 95% of christians can neither  grasp nor accept the esoteric revelations of Jesus. Therefore , it is very likely that the esotoric teachings of Jesus have been lost forever, or at best, jealously guarded by an elect few, far from the public domain.

The motherchurch, the Catholic church, believes that TRUTH is soooooo precious and soooooo fragile, that it needs to be fiercly protected and defended by a battalion of LIES.

noetic16:

have u ever heard of the HOLY SPIRIT? . . . . .just asking

here wqe go again. Another fancy word. what is the holy spirit?
Who is the holy spirit.

noetic16:

I was going to holla at you . . . , Howdy bro . , glad to be back . . whats up with u?

This is a FALSE assumption. By being esoteric, it means seek God and you shall find Him. God is benevolent, but He aint wasteful.
Make your choice, the narrow or the wide path. The consequences await you.

Through the promise of the holy spirit and the manifestation of the promise, we know that Christianity is indeed esoteric. For what the spirit reveals are deep secrets, meant only for those who walk with God.

So the message of Jesus is esotoric? Well, congrats. This is perhaps the ONLY TRUTH I have heard from a christian. There is hope after all.

If so,to whom did he reveal the secretes? To whom are those esoteric revelations enthrusted to? Who are the modern day custodians of the esoteric revelations of jesus?
Who is competent to unseal and reveal these esoteric teachings, in chewable sizes, to a confused mankind?

@Deepsight:
I'm still awaiting ur counter argument to our earlier discussion.

Fundamental Liberties of God! That is an oxymoron. The word God inherently implies omnipotence, so you dont need to add anything else to it. You guys are actually blasphemers of your god. You enjoy the Fundamental Liberty of adding and subtracting from your god whenever it suites you.
This is a new one. Which section of the bible did this one come from? lol.
Christians love to coin windy phrases.
Anyone is at liberty to coin phrases to mean whatever they want it to mean. Does that validate any argument?

@Toba:
Serpent dieties are the most ubiquitous in all cultures around the globe. Obviously Jesus knew something that we did not know. hhhmmmm

Deep Sight:

^ Symbolism could be, and indeed is, diverse. One symbol could be a reference point for several ideas.

Yes indeed.
But you cannot use the srepent as a symbol of evil and deciet in one instance and then as symbol of wisdom in yest another instance in the same religion.
Therefore it is more plausible that the serpent as portrayed in the Adam and Eve story was just a symbol of something much more absract than the talking snake. If so,it would also imlpy that the whole genesis story is nothing more than an allegory. But we both know that abt 98% of christians in Nigeria believe this be historical truths.

@Toba.
Discussions always evolve from their original intent.
I understood very well the message that jesus was trying pass along. But saying so, does Jesus not extoling the wisdom of the serpent given that the serpent is a prominent, albeit notorious, actor in the christian anthology(or mythology) ?
I just wanted to point out the contradiction in the religious superstitions sorounding the serpent.