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These ember months, as happens every year,thousands of people now living, rightous and unrightous, are going to lose their lives in road accidents ,irrespective how prayerful or devout they may be. If prayer cannot even protect our lives, then of what value could it possibly be? I guess the answer would be "god knows best or god works in mysterious ways". right? If so, is prayer therefore not superflous? Quoting scriptures out of context to surpport our aspirations and and calm our fears is comforting to the faithful. I guess thats why its called faith. But anyone can equally quote scriptures to support almost any viewpoint. |
sleekman:makes more sense |
Take a look at your neighborhood. From Ikeja Bus stop via Orishe str. to Allen Junction, iI have counted more than 50 churches or prayer houses each blasting their deafening prayers day in day out. The same is true in every neghborhood throughout Nigeria for the past 2 decades or so. Yet, In the same vein, we see corresponding explosion in poverty, disease and every social vice. As I hinted before, are these prayers going to the wrong number or is no one home to take the calls? I must say also that prayer is quite different from communion. Communion is usually an attempt to atune onoself to god's presence or frequency(so to speak). No matter how many times you think you may have had this , the occurence is very rare and is usually a once-in- life time event. It is called an epiphany and one does not have to have a religious belief to have this experiance. Although it is rare, it is spiritualy healthy just attempting to reach communion. |
nuclearboy:Sorry, I dont buy that argument that god will change the natural order of things to accomodate our mortal desires. It would contradict his laws and cause chaos. By what formul do we get him to change things in our favour? It has been demostated in our lifetime that nations that organize their societies well, enjoy material properity,better health, greater longevity, less crime and therefore add more value in their lives not because of they are more prayerful or closer to god but because they emply the same faculties of their minds to take responsiblities for their lives. |
Good point,but dont be concerned about what I believe(the usual weakness of religiuos people). I raised some posers for consideration and debate regarding the efficacy or redundancy of prayer. Religious people have many different beliefas that contradict one another, and prayer is one of them. Example. Two soccer teams, Nigeria(a prayerful nation) and China(a non prayerful nation) are playing for the world cup. the Nigeria team and all their fans pray and fast all week for victory. At the end what will decide the outcome of the match? |
Have you all ever considered the fact that when you are praying, you are either dialing the wrong number ,or ,that no one is home? It sounds funny and quite dificult for a religious mind to consider. Have you ever considered that the creator of the universe is perhaps impersonal ,and that all things happen as a result of the ceaseless interactions of his established laws of CAUSE AND EFFECT? It certainly makes more sense and puts a lot mysteries to rest. For example, It was reported a few days ago that Nigeria has the second highest child and maternal mortlity rate in the world. How much megatons of prayer power can change this situation? Nations that have a good health care delivery system have very low infant and maternal mortality rates. Simple Cause and effect. Considering that Nigerians are very prayerful,would you consider this a situaton where god is not answering prayers or a simple case of cause and effect?. Prayer, by its very nature is a selfish act since its all about asking and expecting to recieve. I seriously doubt that the laws of the universe can bend to accomodate our selfish desires and needs. Just imagine god bending to accomodate the prayers of 150m souls in nigeria everyday. Since our needs are all interconnected, just think of the ensuing choas that would reverberate throughout the entire universe . Have you considered that God's love is only concerned about the health and purity of your immortal soul(the real you) and not concerned about your material comfort and worldly travails? If god has given us all the faculties to make sense of, adapt and explore his creation, why do we have a need to run to daddy ten times a day asking for this and for that?. Would you be proud of your children if they could not make good use of the legacies you left for them but are constantly hounding you every minute for this help and for that help? Prayer and this idea of leaving everything to god is a cowardly and selfish act and a negation of self-responsibility. For good or for bad, man is the master of his destiny here on earth.This is true for individuals as well as for Nations. If we consider cause and effect as the universal and dominant order of creation, then everything makes sense. It is then we can engage our god-given minds to positively mould our lives, our communities and our nation. We then see our fears and obstacles as bitter pills that we must ingest for our ultimate growth towards perfection. |
HISchild:The scriptures you are quoting were written by sone-age tent dwellers who did not know what an atom was , niehter did they know that germs were the causes of disease. God was their answer to every thing they did not understand. I find it very hypocritical for people to consume products of scientific knowledge such as computers nd cell phones, and then at the same time mentally reject scientific ideas. The proof is in the pudding. Science proves its value. And religion? History is our witness. |
I'm sure he did not steal the company's money. He just made some bad trades. That does not make him a criminal nor is it a disgraceful for the nation of Ghana. |
You can now clap for yourself and be proud to be a Nigerian again. Right? Working for a bluechip firm as a trader and then runing huge losses on their behalf is quite different from doing fraud as full time occupation. Dont be too quick to congratulate your self that a Ghananian has finally outdone you as a Nigerian. I am sure he was a star at the firm before he made a series of bad trades, concealed them, and made more(bad) trades in attempt to recoup the losses. That is how it happens. Like someone pointed out, failure is bastard indeed. |
MyJoe:Hey,I am in total agreement with you. I hv said it before, it is not everything that can be observed in a lab. The poster befor eyou said it well, somethings are subjective and they should be treated as such. Theories emanating from subjective experiences should not be trusted.Therefore, religious faith should no business outside the sacred precints of ones mind or heart, as the case may be. |
Its always a win-win situation for god. If we get the things we pray fro we thank him, if we dont get it, we justify his refusal and still thank him. A fatal accident occurs, five people die and one survives. The survivor and is family sing praises to god for his survival. The family of the dead weep, mourn, blame the devil , say only god knows best and then thanks god for all his mercies. If at the end, god will do his will(which may not always be at our advantage), then what is the relevance of prayer? Let thy will be done should be the only valid prayer. |
I guess he means Judeo-chritian athiesm. |
Arabs and Jews are from the same family tree. They are both both called the semitic people (Semites) being descendants of Shem. |
@deep sight. The causative factor or agent that you refer is a plausible idea that can be comtemplated even by people with athiestic viewpoints. It is an idea that has kept philosophers and the people of science busy and will continued to keep them busy for quite a while. Hower, such concepts belong in realms of astro-physics and deep philosophy . Most of the debates and arguments on this forum center on the judeo-christian concepts of divinity.Almost all theists that I encounter are mainly interested in th validation of the lores that are the foundation and pillars of their faith and nothing more. The problem is not the "HOW. If we can all agree that we dont know the "How", then there is no issue worth debating. Scientific enquiry is mainly concerned with the "how" of any phenomena.But when theists claim that they know "how" and when and who, but then offer fairy tales as support,rationality has to overule. In summary, I beleive the "cause" is an abtract intuitive idea that is and has been a subject of scientic investigation. It should never form the basis for any kind of doctrine. There are no poor reasons for adopting an athiestic viewpoint. All you need is good normal healthy skeptism. All you need is doubt. There dozens of reasons for choosing an ahtiestic viewpoint. I believe prof. Soyinka just offered one, albeit the simplest one that came to his mind at that particular time. If probed further, am quite sure he would given a dozen more. |
pulpit pimps |
Big thanks to PULPIT PIMS and their BLING BLING Theology, the MUMUFICATION of the primitive tribes of the Niger is complete. Nigerians have been gradually turned into stone-age zombies lost in the confusion of the 21st century life. |
With this mass panic, there is no better way to seperate the wheat from the chaf. If YOU believe this crap or have entertained any fear about it, then you surely know where you belong , irrespective of your age, education or experience. If you among those who believe in this crap, You deserve to be ruled and manipulated. Stone-age minds in a 21st century body. What a tragedy |
This country should be called MORONICA or MUMULAND. HaHa Ha. BIG THANKS TO PENTECOTALISM, THE MUMUFICATION OF THE PRIMITIVE TRIBES OF NIGERIA IS ALMOST COMPLETE. HA HA HAHAH HA. |
Its time we changed the name Nigeria to MORONICA or MUMULAND |
kalokalo: |
OMG! I am so embarrased. So it is true that Nigeria is populated with stone age m.orons. No wonder these half-witted pastors are smiling to the bank everyday. All they have to do is scare you a little and you surrender your money.If a telephone ring and number can scare you of death, then I wonder of what being alive life means to you. It means that I can conquer and enslave all of you by simply threatening to call you with my death number. HA HA hA ha. What a laugh. Stone age peole living in the 21st century. What a mixup. |
ayox2003:How can you write DNA on an acid?. Please mr., it is obvious that you did not take any science class whatsoever. Pls stop disgracing yourself in this forum. Go and have take up thse issues with your primary school teacher. |
OMG! ![]() unbelievable! The things I witness on this forum. Wat? someone still believes that the sun moves around the earth? .Where have you been over the past 500yrs? Prof. Soyinka himself once remarked that there was a dearth of intelligence inour land. More correctly, its an epidemic of foolishness. This guy needs to go back to primary one and start allover again. There is no point trying to educate him on this forum that earth is a sphere moving around the sun. Na wa o. |
OOPS! Silly me. Sorry O. You are way over my head. How could I have imagined trying to engage the mouthpiece of god to any type of sensible debate?. Godmouth, If god tells you things, then my apologies. Since you cannot record ur encounters, thats ok. But can you please ask him to instruct you of how to permanently rid us of malaria. Millions of infants die every years from this ailment. For someone that speaks with god, that is the least you can do for humanity. ABI? or does he only instruct you on how to remit the money you collect on His behalf? |
@ansel You are very knowledgeable and very articulate in your presentation. Please try to publish a book on this subject. Our people have nothing to elevate their minds. frosbel:As expected.You are well known. We know that you are allergic to any sort of uplifting knowledge. This is way above your little foggy hatred-filled brain.POOR YOU. |
mazaje:You took the words right out of my mouth. Can they get any dumber? @Goldmouth: I am glad to hear you say that god speaks to you regularly, but can you pls acknowledge that god is therefore in your head? that is all people like Soyinka have been saying all along. Surely God exists, but in your head.If u disagree, then can you pls tape-record your next encounter with him. pls. Theists always make the same lame old argument over and over again, that for this or that to exist, someone(god) must have created it because something cannot come into existence on its own. Fine argument indeed. But when you aske them to explain or even theorize about the origin of god, you either get a deafening silence or they tell u that god created himself(out of nothing), They very same impossiblity they point at when addressing the theory of evolution . The universe could not have sprang up and evolved but god certainly sprang up, evolved and created the universe?. Then he has a son but no wife or mate. Convoluted logic. He creates an imperfect world and then manipulates and judges and punishes his creation for the imperfections that he created. Professor Soyinka was right when he asked"where is man's responsibility if we are maniputaled by an omnipotent deity"? @goldmouth and the original poster: Since you have god andare filled with christ and all the good stuff that comes with it,what is your obsession with non-believers like Soyinka and athiests? i have asked this questons on this forum several times and am going to ask it again. 1. Are theists by the very nature of their beliefs insecure and need athiests to constantly validate their faith? 2. Does god need people more than people need him? 3. Are there safety in numbers? |
This another useless innuendo contructed with poor english and written for simple-minded folks. Whatever the (original) poster was trying to insinuate, he did a very lousy job of it. I do sympathise with Nigerians though,because when there is an information vacuum, people tend to fill in the gaps with wild specualtions and innuendos. Indeed we deserve to have more facts on the Boko haram manace and all other security threats in the country.For example, why have the FG not posted the picture of the wanted UN bombing ring leader on all national Dailies? Why has the FG not posted a N10m reward for information that would lead to the arrest of these people? |
About 30yrs ago, India invested heavily in the education of their people. Today Indiai has a surplus of doctors, engineers, computer programers and scientific researchers and is exporting their suplus pools of well edicated talents to other nations. Since our own brains are filled with so much ethnic and religious junk, we have no choice than to let those who can think properly to come and provide the services that we so desperately need. Nigeria is a huge market for health services. We should be grateful to the Indians for recognizing this need since Nigerian elites just fee sooo cool stashing their wealth abroad rather than investing in their own country. For those of you that say you dont trust Indians, Who would you rather trust? Could it be because they are not white? our brains have been programed to trust only those that are white. I gladly welcome the Indians. As our former third world peers, We have soooo much to learn from them if and when our brains are eventually detoxicated from all the garbage that cloggs it. We all need good health services, sooner or later. |
During the early years of christianity and throughout the middle ages, there was a concerted attempt by churchmen to chritianise not only the pegans but also the pegan dieties themselve s .Pegan shrines were baptised and given christian names.Although this might have seemed like an emasculation of pagnism, it turned out to be blessing in disguise because it allowed peganis m to survive and trive, albeit, under the protective veil of their new christian equivalenece of make-overs. For example, st. peters cathetheral in Rome sits on the baptised remains of the temple of Jove, aslo know as Jupiter, the foremost of heaven and the father of the gods. The word peter is derived from Jupiter which itself is traceable to the Egytian supreme god Ptah, who was also known as the father of the gods.It is not surprising that the roman catholic preists, who are desciples of st . peter are refered to as roman fathers. which means that they are indirectly priests of Jove or Jupiter and the egyptian supreme god Ptah. secondly , the twelve sons of jacob and the twelve desciples of jesus are modelled after the signs of the zodiac. The birth, life,miistry, death and resurrection of jesus is also a close paralell to the daily and yearly movement of the sun in the northern hemisphere. The story and image of mary(the madonna) and her young infant jesus, goes all the way back to ancient rome with the goddes venus and her son Apollo , and then to the greek goddess Athena and her son Adonis and then all the way to back to Egypt with the goddess Isis and her son Horus . Christmas and easter are pegan holidays which continue to be celebrated today thanks to christian baptism and a change of name. A rose by any other name is still a rose. While the churchmen of yore were celebrating the christianization of paganism, today pegans of every clime celebrate the peganisation of christiandom. |
If he comes today, the pentecostals will surely assasinate him because he is going to spoil their party. If he comes back as a black man, rednecks will will shoot him down from the sky and Africans will reject him as that devil. For Africans, he must come back white with blond hair and blue eyes. |
Also, embracing an athiestic viewpoint is (for me) NOT a negation of spirituality nor the intuitive and common sense ethos that are universal to all humankind. |
You have made many references to Buddha and Buddism.There are two main types of religion: The custodial and non-custodial religions.This is a world of diffeerence bewteen The judeo christian religions and the oriental religions such as Budhism , shintosm, taosm , confucionism etc. The judeo-christian religions are custodian religions.That is: the entire system of faith is based on the belief of a custodian(god), who created, overseas, grants favours , judges and punishes the his creation. This type of religion relies on the belief in epic tales, historical dramas, and myths to anchor and sustain itself in the hearts and minds of the believer.In the this type, the fear of the Custodian(god) is an essential requirement for blessings and salvation. Non-custodial religions like Budhism, on the other hand, are more like philosophical schools where the core ethos are more important than the lores of the religion. there are no asumptions or claims.Therefore, it would be easier for a Budhist to remain faithful to the core ethos of his faith irrespective of whether Budha's existence is fact or fiction. All of us in Africa are raised from infancy to accept the judeo-christian concepts of divinity, so our religious and spiritual viewpoints are shaped from the lores of these religions. In the case of christianity, the belief in the virgin birth of Jesus, his miracles,his death and resurrection and his anticipated return are the cornerstones of the faith, far outweighing even the teachings of the Jesus. Martin Luther, the reformer ,postulated that faith alone was the only requirement for salvation, and many christians today strongly accept that. Now if the essential underpinnings of those lores are found to be inaccurate or even fraudulent, should such a faith be able to hold and sustain itself? I say no way. As a anti-religion -athiest, I remain open to the possiblility of the realization of god , but from independently deduced path, rather than from the lingering residues of my previous faith. NB: I want to note that religious faith and spirituality are not one and the same and therefore can be mutaully exlusive. |
