I'm proud to be a Baptist , congrats Rev Supo Ayokunle, congrats Christian Association of Nigeria

lilzcee:
I must born three children before using my manhood for rituals, if i no get talent atleast my manhood will provide millions of dollars

Bros I beg oo take am easy ooo,as u see me so and as I they type now na laugh want kill me ooo because of this your comments

Is already 6 month ooooo, if someone told me last year that u will be owed 3 months talkless of 5months salary I will say d person is dreaming

wirinet:
Well done Johnydon22, i commend you once again for your effort at educating Nigerian youth on modern science. I hope your efforts will inspire young nigerians to embrace science and help contribute to the development of Nigeria and Humanity as a whole.

To the OP and his likes;
Do you even have the faintest idea of the concepts you are asking about -Big Bang and Biological evolution?
You guys have a very wrong notion of the Big Bang Theory and not ready to do the hard work to learn. You guys are just trying to justify your religious dogma by shooting down scientific concepts that contradicts your beliefs.

For you to understand the Big Bang Theory, you will need to understand the proof of the expansion of the universe through Red Shift Measurements of distant Objects. You will also need to read up on the father of modern astronomy, Edwin Hubble, who actually showed proof that the universe is expanding. Read up on various other proofs of the expanding universe like the cosmic background radiation.

Now please answer this question, Do you accept that the universe is expanding? If you answer yes, then you must also accept that it must have started out quite small. The start of this expansion or inflation is what is generally known as the Big Bang.If you do not believe that the universe is expanding, then we have nothing to discuss.
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The likes of Johnhydon22, loj, tauraus and some other great guys have contributed their quota all I can only see here is empty barrel making noise, the ones u know 'mr know all'why can't u post it here for all to see. Even most scientists also have divergent views about all these theories so don't expect everyone to be like u after all I didn't say anything about religion from what I posted. Peace!

donnffd:


Hi Johnydon, i wasnt going to say anything on this thread because the OP lack some basic understanding about the scientific method, and great response by the way, but this part of your post got me thinking...so i wanna ask you, what do you define as absolute truth? and what makes you think that science doesnt have an open mind towards Evolution?

and also, if every single evidence that has been found points to Evolution, doesnt that mean Evolution is the closest to absolute truth Why do you feel science would be very wrong on that?

Sorry this is not to attack any personality, but some people can be so arrogant u said I lack basic understanding about the scientific method, the one u know why can't u post it here for everybody to see,do u know reason i asked those questions ? the purpose of this thread is for everybody to learn more .Despite fact I really leaned a lot from from d answers provided I can say boldly already knew some of them.
Even great scientist like Stephen Hawking did not subscribe to this theory in 100%. Peace

There is no need to tell anybody about how bad the economy it is, except you are not living in Nigeria presently. Almost everybody is lamenting including the politicians even me as civil servant my 5 months salary is still hanging without no hope when next salary is going to be paid.
But I'm grateful to God he has been my help despite the fact that the situation is really tensed He has been my help and pillar so far.
Nairaladers kindly share your testimony here who knows it may be of help to someone out there.

johnydon22:


Ok let us treat many of these misconceptions we have here.. But now you have to remember, science does not require belief because it is not a dogma. it is a systematic approach through consistent study to arrive at a truthful approximation but never claim at any point that absolute truth has been reached but recognizes chances of being wrong. that intellectual humility gives room for improvements and stands scientific method of enquiry out amongst others.

So if the Big Bang or evolution theory is untrue whether you believe it or not won't make it true, if these models are proven beyond reasonable doubt and established as a known scientific fact, you need not believe it because it doesn't change if it's true.

That being said, i'll address these points not to make you believe them but to teach what they really are.



Now the first answer to this was outrightly given in the Big Bang cosmological model which is known as a singularity .. A very small almost atomic sized but infinite dense and hot point.

And by the way the Big bang wasn't an explosion but more so a rapid inflation

what brought about the singularity is a subject of immense study of which string theory intends to answer soon.

there are many prospects to the answer one should bear in mind.

-Dark matter
-Quantum fluctuation (which still happen till today in this universe)



Dark energy is causing the inflation



Now this i must say is rather disappointing. . . We do not even have the technology it takes to probe planets within our own solar system for signs of life.

Up till today man has recently launched a probe for the purpose of probing traces of organic compounds and life or mars which has not even reached the planet yet.

there are 8planets and 5mini planets and more than a 100 moons just in our solar system and we don't even have the technology to check them for life yet and you are talking about our galaxy and the universe?

The nearest star system to us the alpha centauri is 4light years away, which means 9trillion km multiplied by 4..

our present technology (fastest space probe we have) will take more than 160,000 years to reach it, so how can you possibly check if it has life?

we cannot even reach the closest star system to us not to talk of billions of stars and planets in our galaxy let alone more than 200,000,000,000 galaxies in the observable universe.

so how can you ask 'why life only thrives on 1 when you have never reached or possess the technology that can check the others?

we are tiny creatures, the universe is very big we have not even probed for life in the nearby planets and moons inside this solar system talk more of checking other star systems let alone dreaming of ever leaving this galaxy of 100,000 light years diameter.

this question was rather disappointing... We have no idea where there is life or not because we still are not advanced enough to possess technologies that can travel outside our system..

earth is just a tiny rock out of billions of trillion others ...so don't hold your breathe on that

The universe itself is random and chaotic, there is complexity in every interaction. as long as two values interact to give a result, it will be more complex than the original interacting values.

The universe is not planned neither does it have a schedule, galaxies slam into galaxies, planets into planets and even stars into one another, asteroids can crash down on earth and our galaxy is even on a collision course with Andromeda.

the universe is complex from interactions of different values but random in it's manifestations.



The bolded words are starkly ignorant, stop making confident assertions without looking hard enough.

even though research about how life began on earth is still going on as we speak, protein molecules has been created in the laboratory by recreating the early stage of earth and a meteor impact.

One of these is the Miller-Urey experiment a chemical experiment that simulated earth's early conditions and surprisingly complex amino acids were formed in the experiment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

also many discovered in meteorites

Like Murchison Meteorite

This meteorite, that fell near Murchison, Australia on 28 September 1969, turned
out to contain a variety of organic molecules including:

purines and pyrimidines

polyols — compounds with hydroxyl groups on a backbone of 3 to 6 carbons
such as glycerol and glyceric acid . Sugars are polyols.

the amino acids listed in this table. The amino acids and their relative
proportions were quite similar to the products formed in Miller's experiments.

also The ALH84001 meteorite.

Astronomers, using infrared spectroscopy, have identified a variety of organic
molecules in interstellar space, including
methane (CH 4 ),
methanol (CH 3OH),
formaldehyde (HCHO),
cyanoacetylene (HC 3N) (which in spark-discharge experiments is a precursor to
the pyrimidine cytosine).
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
as well as such inorganic building blocks as carbon dioxide (CO 2), carbon
monoxide (CO), ammonia (NH 3), hydrogen sulfide (H 2S), and hydrogen cyanide
(HCN).

and yes through random meteor showers that bombarded the earth in it's early state, complex proteins compounds can also arrive as i have shown with instances of such meteors discovered in this present age

Please please that you never knew amino acids have been recreated in the lab or can be recreated should not have given you the alacrity to infer they are impossible to recreate.

I am sure i have corrected that naive impression.

We are still studying grasp well enough the origins of life, and this noble acts of study has not claimed perfection yet but progresses has been made in this sense.

and with time our questions will definitely get answered through consistent study...



What i say is that humanity is on a quest to answer many questions that plagues us, and the only way we can do this is through careful study, consistent and empirical scrutinization in order to arrive at a truthful approximation..

The Big bang model has many cosmological observations pointing towards it.

-Cosmic mircowave background radiation
- Big Bang Nucleosynthesis
-Expansion.. And many others.

Same holds true for many evidences pointing towards evolution but we must not claim absolute truth has been reached, further studies may prove us very wrong.

which is why i do not subscribe to any theory on the origin of the universe or life yet, i do not see the need to dogmatize it rather i see need to keep an open mind to push for more critical studies so we can reach a near truth.

I hope this helps your enquiry

No 2 question .u said dark energy is what is still causing d inflation.Pls can u shield more light about dark energy, dark matter and even blackholes.
Since u didn't subscribe to any of these theories, what's ur stand then, are u a theist,an antheist, agnostics or free thinkers?
note this :With d recent technology it will take 30 000 years to reach alpha centuari not 160000 years as u stated above. Mark Zuckerbag announced 3 days ago that he is teaming up with Stephen Hawking and one other guy to build a nano space Craft that will take 20 years to reach alpha centuari.
I still have many questions I will be back soon.
Once again thanks very much.

johnydon22:


Ok let us treat many of these misconceptions we have here.. But now you have to remember, science does not require belief because it is not a dogma. it is a systematic approach through consistent study to arrive at a truthful approximation but never claim at any point that absolute truth has been reached but recognizes chances of being wrong. that intellectual humility gives room for improvements and stands scientific method of enquiry out amongst others.

So if the Big Bang or evolution theory is untrue whether you believe it or not won't make it true, if these models are proven beyond reasonable doubt and established as a known scientific fact, you need not believe it because it doesn't change if it's true.

That being said, i'll address these points not to make you believe them but to teach what they really are.



Now the first answer to this was outrightly given in the Big Bang cosmological model which is known as a singularity .. A very small almost atomic sized but infinite dense and hot point.

And by the way the Big bang wasn't an explosion but more so a rapid inflation

what brought about the singularity is a subject of immense study of which string theory intends to answer soon.

there are many prospects to the answer one should bear in mind.

-Dark matter
-Quantum fluctuation (which still happen till today in this universe)



Dark energy is causing the inflation



Now this i must say is rather disappointing. . . We do not even have the technology it takes to probe planets within our own solar system for signs of life.

Up till today man has recently launched a probe for the purpose of probing traces of organic compounds and life or mars which has not even reached the planet yet.

there are 8planets and 5mini planets and more than a 100 moons just in our solar system and we don't even have the technology to check them for life yet and you are talking about our galaxy and the universe?

The nearest star system to us the alpha centauri is 4light years away, which means 9trillion km multiplied by 4..

our present technology (fastest space probe we have) will take more than 160,000 years to reach it, so how can you possibly check if it has life?

we cannot even reach the closest star system to us not to talk of billions of stars and planets in our galaxy let alone more than 200,000,000,000 galaxies in the observable universe.

so how can you ask 'why life only thrives on 1 when you have never reached or possess the technology that can check the others?

we are tiny creatures, the universe is very big we have not even probed for life in the nearby planets and moons inside this solar system talk more of checking other star systems let alone dreaming of ever leaving this galaxy of 100,000 light years diameter.

this question was rather disappointing... We have no idea where there is life or not because we still are not advanced enough to possess technologies that can travel outside our system..

earth is just a tiny rock out of billions of trillion others ...so don't hold your breathe on that


The universe itself is random and chaotic, there is complexity in every interaction. as long as two values interact to give a result, it will be more complex than the original interacting values.

The universe is not planned neither does it have a schedule, galaxies slam into galaxies, planets into planets and even stars into one another, asteroids can crash down on earth and our galaxy is even on a collision course with Andromeda.

the universe is complex from interactions of different values but random in it's manifestations.



The bolded words are starkly ignorant, stop making confident assertions without looking hard enough.

even though research about how life began on earth is still going on as we speak, protein molecules has been created in the laboratory by recreating the early stage of earth and a meteor impact.

One of these is the Miller-Urey experiment a chemical experiment that simulated earth's early conditions and surprisingly complex amino acids were formed in the experiment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller–Urey_experiment

also many discovered in meteorites

Like Murchison Meteorite

This meteorite, that fell near Murchison, Australia on 28 September 1969, turned
out to contain a variety of organic molecules including:

purines and pyrimidines

polyols — compounds with hydroxyl groups on a backbone of 3 to 6 carbons
such as glycerol and glyceric acid . Sugars are polyols.

the amino acids listed in this table. The amino acids and their relative
proportions were quite similar to the products formed in Miller's experiments.

also The ALH84001 meteorite.

Astronomers, using infrared spectroscopy, have identified a variety of organic
molecules in interstellar space, including
methane (CH 4 ),
methanol (CH 3OH),
formaldehyde (HCHO),
cyanoacetylene (HC 3N) (which in spark-discharge experiments is a precursor to
the pyrimidine cytosine).
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
as well as such inorganic building blocks as carbon dioxide (CO 2), carbon
monoxide (CO), ammonia (NH 3), hydrogen sulfide (H 2S), and hydrogen cyanide
(HCN).

and yes through random meteor showers that bombarded the earth in it's early state, complex proteins compounds can also arrive as i have shown with instances of such meteors discovered in this present age

Please please that you never knew amino acids have been recreated in the lab or can be recreated should not have given you the alacrity to infer they are impossible to recreate.

I am sure i have corrected that naive impression.

We are still studying grasp well enough the origins of life, and this noble acts of study has not claimed perfection yet but progresses has been made in this sense.

and with time our questions will definitely get answered through consistent study...



What i say is that humanity is on a quest to answer many questions that plagues us, and the only way we can do this is through careful study, consistent and empirical scrutinization in order to arrive at a truthful approximation..

The Big bang model has many cosmological observations pointing towards it.

-Cosmic mircowave background radiation
- Big Bang Nucleosynthesis
-Expansion.. And many others.

Same holds true for many evidences pointing towards evolution but we must not claim absolute truth has been reached, further studies may prove us very wrong.

which is why i do not subscribe to any theory on the origin of the universe or life yet, i do not see the need to dogmatize it rather i see need to keep an open mind to push for more critical studies so we can reach a near truth.

I hope this helps your enquiry

Kudos my guy , you have done a very good job in answering those questions I so much appreciate it. You stated it categorically that u do not subscribe to any of these theories yet, I also like that because some people can believe anything without even thinking about it. A pharmacist friend once told me that God uses evolution to create life on earth. Can u see that! Now I have questions concerning what u posted out there.

Johydon22, tauraus other great sciencelander I summon u I know u will have a sth to say about this

khalhokage:
Yes, it's been awhile since one of you showed up.

Op I have no motivation to argue with you, at least not until you learn what a theory is, and also do a little bit more comprehensive research on what you want to argue about because wherever you got your contact info from you obviously didn't understand it.

How and why did u say I don't understand it ? Kindly come up here and explain it since u said I know nothing about. Even d great scientist like prof Stephen Hawking are still battling with some of d questions I asked above.

Big bang is the explosion leading to the formation of universe,that is the cosmic event that mark the beginning of time and rapid enpansion of space for the visible universe.
Now this is the reason i will never believe in big bang theory
1 What causes the explosion in the first place & what formed it?
2 Why is it still expanding ?
3 Out of several trillions of planet in the universe why is it that life is thriving in just only one of them ? Even in our own galaxy there are 200-400 billions planets no evidence of life in them.
4 Now as complex as universe is,do you think it is possible for universe to have created itself and life randomly formed on earth as evolutionists claimed?
Now lets talk about evolution which is the change in the genetic composition of a population over successive generations.
Now the first protein which is building block of life how does it formed?(Abiogenesis).Don't tell me it formed by chance 'probabilistic calculations' because experimentally this is highly impossible.
Great guys out there what do you say about this ,do you believe in evolution and big bang theory.What do you say about this?

Though I'm a scientist but evolution theory is a crap.

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cloudgoddess:
I have studied this topic on and off for the three years I've been in school, and am now taking an evolutionary biology course at a public university in the US. I wanted to create this thread because from browsing these forums I have seen that there is a lot of ignorance and miseducation surrounding the topic of evolution. Many of it is the same false misconceptions that are passed on by religious leaders to promote belief in religious explanations of nature. In my opinion, these misinformation is hurting our people because it keeps us from understanding what the rest of the advanced societies already understand. I want to address these misconceptions so that we can start to begin our discussions involving religion and science from a common ground of knowledge.

One of the most hindering misconceptions to understanding evolution, is that evolution is not valid because we only have a theory and not a law. I want to make these two things clear upfront:
Laws are NOT applicable and make no sense in the context of biology - only math/physics.
and The word "Theory" in science has a very different meaning than the layman's term.

Biology operates based on collections of primarily non-mathematical facts. For example,
"Cells are the fundamental units of life"
"Cells use nutrients obtained from the environment to make copies of themselves and their DNA"
"DNA has a double-helix structure kept together by hydrogen bonds"
"Alleles are passed on in different frequencies every generation"
"Organisms can possess traits that help or hinder their survival"

Scientific theories are the most thorough set of explanations currently existing, that encompass and make sense of all of the facts related to the observed phenomenon at hand. Scientific theories are not the same as GUESSES or HYPOTHESES. The definition of a scientific theory is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT than that of the word "theory" in layman's terms. People seem to be very unaware that the word has two definitions, so I will define it here:

A "theory" in layman's terms is "a conjecture, an opinion, a speculation or an assumption based on limited information or experience, not necessarily on facts."

A SCIENTIFIC THEORY is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."

They are almost completely opposite meanings.

The Theory of Evolution EXPLAINS the biological FACTS that comprise the natural process of evolution. Here are some of those FACTS:
- Cells are the fundamental units of life and all of those cells contain genetic material.
- The collection of genetic material each organism posseses changes slightly from generation to generation because of mutations and genetic mixing via sex or other reproductive means.
- The genetic traits that contribute to or do not harm an organism's survival in its specific environment get passed on to succeeding generations. Traits that are deleterious to survival eventually eliminated from the gene pool of that population.
- Over many, many generations this process slowly creates new species - members of a population become so far removed genetically, that they can no longer reproduce with one another.
- This explains why we dig up ancient fossils of organisms that look very different than the ones currently living, yet still share some similarities (indicating common ancestry).

- This explains why we see organisms that are extremely well-matched to their present environments and biological niches - and why the "well-matched" organisms of the past are not the same "well-matched" organisms of the present.

- This explains why habitat destruction or tampering of any kind can be so harmful to wildlife.
- This explains why bacterial populations grown for thousands of generations in a lab became more and more genetically adapted to their environment each generation (experiment done by Dr. Richard E. Lenski, Michigan State University).
- This explains why DNA and RNA are the molecular units of genetic material present in every single organism on earth, and why organisms that share similarities in behavior, morphology, reproduction, etc, usually share very similar gene sequences.

The definition of evolution is simply the gradual change in traits of populations, through generations, over time.


Since Jean Baptiste Lamarck published the first cohesive theory describing evolution in the 1700s, and then Darwin (1800s) added some major changes with his discovery of natural selection as the means of evolution (rather than Lamarck's model of acquired characteristics) we have only been finding MORE and MORE FACTS supporting the theory.

This is why the theory still exists and has not lost its validity despite the high scrutiny of today's advanced scientific world. This is why it's still being researched heavily in every developed country (the US, Canada, Sweden, Japan, Germany, UK, just to name a few), why the top universities in the world all have an evolutionary biology department (including Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Campbridge, Columbia), this is why every peer-reviewed biological and medical research journal has tens to hundreds of thousands of hits for studies confirming evolution:
PLOS Biology
PubMed
Wiley Online Library

It is a confirmed fact (to the extent that humanity is able to confirm anything) that evolution is happening and has happened for all of life, that is not a matter of opinion. The very large amount of evidence we have does not point in any other direction. The Theory of Evolution as it stands today is simply humanity's latest and most refined description of that process and how it operates.

Thank you for reading.

Kudos but may I ask the evolutionists ,How did first protein d building block of life originate?I guess theory of evolution has no answer to this until then i won't believe this trash called evolution.

Speechless3:
This is not a spiritual blessing but an earthly one because both the good and wicked are rewarded for diligence and sometimes favoured above their peers. But this has nothing to do with the gospel. Please dont mix them up.

Happy for her and more because we are both models.

Dear sister it seems u don't have much knowledge about d scripture, if u must know spirit world controls the physical now tell me what do u call spiritual blessings is it speaking in tongue or what !those are gift of the spirit sis. Now back to d the issue going by the Olajumoke's comment shows that she is a Christian and I don't think she will drop tithe of 500 again in her local, her offering or tithe now will be in several thousands directly or indirectly that will promote d work of God ,finally her story has inspired and uplifted d spirit of many children of God who are still trusting God for financial breakthrough so stop saying this is just a physical blessing it cuts across all aspects of her life.

sickstars:


Was i suppose to continue wallowing in sin?

I have 25 boy friends why shd i lie?

By the way i'm a LESBIAN i just keep guys has show off i do GIRLS ONLY

Hmmm , my dear sis ,hope u are not joking about this?,if truly this is true u cannot continue like this , u need Jesus asap.

cruzita:
humming a song and passing*

come back and tell us

prettythicksme:
It mean cucumber is part of my life

Chai sister say u be cucumber farmers ?

alkines:
I will just walk away ni jejenly

I think that's best decision

prettythicksme:
Team cucmbation

meaning ?

Tpave:
You no go hear the answer from my mouth. Pls I refer you to the religious section for the bible or Koran experts

why u no wan talk now?

Ighoga898:
Both

Guy na double major u dey do

LORDSAMURAI:
TEAM FORNICATORS

OK ooo like ur sincerity and why fornication?

Mastubatn is a monster while fornication is very bad ,between these two if u are to choose one which one do u think is less evil. Over to u my fellow nairalanders .

Sijo01:


My friend, if I don't know, I won't be saying it. I am a student there if you must know.

I'm also a student of NOUN and i will soon round up my program in NOUN if u must know .So u mean in NOUN a student will be in 300 level and non of his or her result will be released that's absolutely absurd !It can never happen in NOUN.The university is best known for her transparency when it comes to exam and result though at times some people may experience missing result ooo but later it will be sorted out if they do the right thing.

Sijo01:


My friend, if I don't know, I won't be saying it. I am a student there if you must know.

I'm also a student of NOUN and i will soon round up my program in NOUN if u must know .So u mean in NOUN a student will be in 300 level and non of his or her result will be released that's absolutely absurd !It can never happen in NOUN.The university is best known for her transparency when it comes to exam and result though at times some people may experience missing result ooo but later it will be sorted out if do the right thing.

Sijo01:
I thought this happened in only NOUN

Op, you guys should be patient since they said your results in on 'MODERATION' whatever that means

NOUN releases her result every semester, stop saying what u don't know about sister

This is wonderful brother keep it up. Where is lala? front page pls

Pls, I need info about any farm in ondo state

sinaj:
They will evn fail the test if presented with a padded bra nd butt.

Hahahahahah but not all men now

psucc:
Well, it only takes God's grace to overcome

Yes o my bro but great determination is also needed in a situation like that

brandnew3:
I would 100%... Not a sex freak or Maniac.
Done did it all.

Have u encountered that before?