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Ihedinobi3:
A book of Jashar was quoted in Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18, but I see no reason to believe that it is the same as the book you are so crazy for. Why should I believe that they are the same? Also, the book mentioned in the Bible was not quoted by the Bible at all, nor was it endorsed by the Bible as inspired at all. So, even if that that book exists today and is accessible, we have no reason to believe that it is inspired. As for filling gaps in the Bible, I'm sure you are free to believe in such fictions, if you please.

As for being scared of other books, I'm not sure how I have communicated such a thing, although it is certainly wise to be wary of anything that is not afraid of pretending to be words of God. It is a terrible thing to put words in God's Mouth. Those who do it have a very bad end waiting for them. So, I would be very happy to not be in their midst. None of that means that I haven't read books like the Book of Enoch. In fact, I sampled it a bit just for the conversations here. Growing up, we had a Catholic Bible at home that had the Apocrypha in it. I did try to read them, and I got deep enough into them to wonder why they were even in the Bible, and I was a kid then. I don't remember anyone telling me that anything was wrong with having those extra books then, but it was clear to me that they were different from the other books. So, try to stick with what you actually know to be true so that you don't make bogus claims.

As for letting anyone do this or that, I am sure that I have said it multiple times that anyone who wants to can read anything they want. I don't even care if you want to write stuff and call it Scripture too. That's your own business. But if you try to persuade the children of God that have been given to me to protect that it is Scripture, then I will oppose you. Even so, I fully recognize that I can't stop even those in my charge from reading things that will only harm their faith in the Lord. So, there is no "letting" or "preventing" happening here except in your own head. I'm not stopping you or anyone from reading whatever you want to read. I can't even stop you from pretending that it is Scripture. But you cannot persuade me or anyone who is willing to listen to me to join you in that madness.

You are right that the taste of the pudding is in the eating. You can tell if something is inspired by reading it, but if we must read everything before we can be sure what is inspired and what is not, then we will never be sure what "all the Truth" that the Holy Spirit is supposed to lead us into is (John 16:13). Thankfully, we don't have to read everything to know what is inspired. As I told you in another post, Scripture was known as it was being written. From that time on, it was collected together and distributed authoritatively. We have today the literature that believers received from Old Testament prophets and New Testament Apostles and preserved for us to learn from too. We know not only that it is all Scripture, but also that it is complete. Anything outside of those 66 books and letters may be illuminating for understanding them, for example, the writings of pastor-teachers, but nothing else is Scripture at all. If you want to pretend that it is just because there are so many books in the world, some of them fraudulently bearing names and titles stolen from the Bible, that is really your own kettle of fish. It's not the believer's problem at all.

You are like many others on here that I have met and discussed with. You know very little of Truth, but you take that little and foul it up with a vast amount of lies that essentially lead you into perdition and then proceed to make yourself a stumbling block to those who believe. I am not on your side, because you really do not believe the Bible at all. You make stuff up and you listen to made-up stuff that you proceed to try to mix into what the Bible actually says, and it is a very heady mix that drops you straight into Apostasy. So, yes, I do believe the Bible, but you clearly don't. That is why you want to put words in God's Mouth.

If you really believe, as you say, that the Bible is more than enough, you should quit adding stuff to it. As I have said, if fiction is your thing, by all means, enjoy it, but don't call it Scripture just because you like it. If you love God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, not only will you respect Them enough to not put words in Their Mouth, but you will also care for the welfare of Their Church and not put believers bought with precious Blood at spiritual risk with lies.

As I said, I don't see any reason why anyone would claim that the Book of Enoch is inspired at all. It is obviously a work of fiction that pretends to have something to do with Jude.

Not sure what your last paragraph means.

Edited.

From the beginning, the one thing that has been attacked is the word of God. Man has been working hand in hand with the devil to truncate the salvation plan of God just like God has been in cooperation with man to retain it.

Let's leave these books and speak on the bible as we know it. Do you even beleive or know the doctrine of Christ. Are we to take whatever has been handed down to us as authentic even in the light of scripture? Everyone has the bible but do we understand the doctrine of the NT testament? We r still talking about BOE and Jasher that were not included, what about the books that have been included that the doctrine has been perverted by Man?

Do you know that the church as we have it is not what the early apostles left behind? That the enemy has fully infiltrated the church and is spreading it's own doctrine?. If you have read the NT you will quickly discover that what you read is not what you hear on the pulpits. These early apostles were sold out to God . There were not carnal minded but now all the messages are on how God will enlarge you, bless you, give you that job e.t.c we have substituted the great God for mammoth. Now, a beleiver wakes up in the morning and all he thinks about is that shell job, or nnpc contract, that husband she needs, that car she asked God for.....forgetting that Yeshua said TAKE NO THOUGHTS.....in Roman's it states that Carnal mindedness is enemy with God . Do you know what that means. It means that you cannot equates carnal thing to service of God. Now in church people share testimonies of how God blessed them with cars, spouses, jobs . Like that's the gospel?

In the early church these men were losing their lives and possessions but we r being taught to gain our lives and possessions . My brother did you know that Yeshua did not come to die to give your riches . He came that you may have life and have it more abundantly? What is that life? A life of wealth and splendour like these men have made us beleive? Yeshua had disciples who had to leave ALL to follow Him? And now we are being thought to gain ALL and follow Him?.

You are so scared to question man thinking you will be questioning God whereas Gid wants you to reason with Him not man . Now we have In the church, one man who always brings the word and God only speaks to Him whereas the gifts of God have been given to all and we are all to admonish one another. Paul even thought that if ANY has a word.... . That God has given to ALL in different measures and we are not to dominate ourselves but that all are equal before God? That the eye cannot say to the ears that he is more important, that all the members of the body are equal?

The whole foundation of the church has been corrupted bro. We live in the last days friend and its perilous times. Now men of God preach peace and prosperity but the picture Yeshua paints is directly opposite . That the last days will be filled with destruction and perilous times. That at the end so many false prophets will arise. That the way is narrow. Abeg from all the churches in this world does it seem like the road is narrow? Doesnt it look like all is well?. That alot of folks are going to heaven?

Now we have carnal minded christains who have forgotten that the main message of the Bible Is the salvation of the soul for eternity. All the early church pointed us to was eternal life . That faith is the substance of things hoped for.....everytime you see hope in NT its talking about hope for eternity....the evidence of things not seen. What we dont see is heaven my friend. Scripture says "while we look not at the things that are seen but at the things not seen, for the things seen are temporal but the things not seen are eternal". Faith is not the substance of carnal things hoped for. . It's not the evidence of your car or job or house or yacht . Dont forget to be carnality minded is enmity with God and he that worship Yahweh must worship Him in Spirit not carnality or flesh but Spirit and truth.

Mature sons of God who are eating meat knows that you are not subject to man. After all we are called into liberty but the traditions have taught us to be subject to a select few who administer the oracles of God forgetting that we are not under the old guard but New. That you cannot mix old wine in new wine skin. Besides we were all gentiles who had to learn salvation.

Now we have men who say that the Spirit of Elijah and Elisha are greater forgetting the words of the Lord that everyone born of woman, none has been as great as Jojn the Baptist but he that is least from the Kingdom of God is greater than John . And someone will still take us back to when Elijah was alive? Forgetting that Peter says these men of Old wondered at the type of salvation that the world will see at the time of Yeshua because they saw the coming of the messiah. Yeshua also told the apostle that their eyes are blessed because prophets of old longed to see what they see but could not.

So now we have scared and carnal Christian's who are scared to be independent from man and fully dependent on God.

I'm saying all these so that you see that even the 66 books that we have have been perverted in doctrine by the devil so it shouldn't be strange to you if some books are left out all together.

Tell your pastor to stop lieing to you. The world will be destroyed and for those who acquire wealth and think godliness is gain it will be a surprise. Like in the days of Noah so shall it be. For men shall be building and expanding . False doctrines shall be In abundance and the prophesy of peace will be loudest but the foundation of the Lord stand the sure. Dont be to trusting of man my friend. Man is evil but Hod is supreme. Dont be scared to question man. Because questioning man is NOT questioning God infact questioning man is really pleasing God.

We have really not heard the gospel my friend. What is being preached is not what Yeshua nor the apostles died for. Never think all is well for we have to always press into the Kingdom. It's not given on an platter. We have to discover it. Remember Yeshua words, it like a man that finds treasure, y will you. Be finding treasure if its given you on a platter. We must dig to discover the true gospel as man in collaboration with Lucifer has hidden it .

I'm saying all these but I perceive you wont get my points but it's also for posterity. For anyone who has questioned the rot and decadence in the church but ofcourse the prosperity is well known forgetting that Lucifer is the God of these world. Now we are taught to first look out for wealth before we look out for grace . Grace of God is measured by the scale of dollars and naira .

It's a personal race my friend, a race to escape the coming doom and destruction of this present world. Because the wicked will do more wickedly as the wicked days unfold until full consummation of this wicked earth

Ihedinobi3:
I'm afraid I don't see how you have been speaking with any less authority with your very large claims and no proof.

As for your claims about Enoch's nationality, neither your argument about language nor your appeal to the book of Jasher is any kind of reasonable proof. For the first, the Bible is clear that God created nations only in response to the Tower of Babel debacle in Genesis 11. The people that existed before that time were never called a nation or Hebrews. We are not even told what the language they all spoke was. Of course, it is my thinking too that it was very likely Hebrew because of Isaiah 19:18 and Zephaniah 3:9, but that is not at all proof that anybody who existed before Abraham was any kind of Hebrew. The nation Israel did not exist then because nations did not exist then (see also Genesis 12:2).

For the second, I might as well quote Alexander Fleming or Ghandi or Buddha to prove that something that the Bible does not say at all is true. Why should it matter to me what your book of Jasher says? Did God inspire it? If it says that the Hebrew nation existed before God created nations, then it most definitely contradicts Genesis, since Moses wrote that the nations only came into existence after Nimrod's rebellion with the Tower of Babel (Genesis 10:32; cf. Genesis 11:1-9), which occurred a century after the Flood, for that matter.

As for the angels that Peter spoke of, they were those that took human women in Genesis 6 to produce the Nephilim with. That was their sin. They, like the people of Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, "went after strange flesh." It was the Lord God Himself Who had them chained up in the Abyss for that wickedness. Moses, Peter, and Jude witness to this. I don't need an extrabiblical source to help me believe or understand it.

As for the canonization of the books of the Bible, I did make this comment that it suited you to ignore, so I don't see the sense in answering you again here. I think that, just like your comrade OkCornel, you care nothing for whether you lie or tell the truth as long as you can seduce and bully others into your rebellion against the Lord. If this were not true, I'm sure you would give more attention to the claims that you make and make sure that they are actually true.

I'm not sure what your comments about churches are about. I don't believe that I have said anything in that regard here.

As for reading, by all means do. It is always best to read the Bible, that is, actual Scripture, not merely pretend Scripture, though. So, although I have read a lot of things and still do, the Bible decides for me what is true and what is false. I don't pretend to the ability to tell what is true and what is false without the help of the Bible. So, I lean very heavily on the Bible to say anything that I say. I certainly don't demand that you believe the Bible. Believe it, if you want. Don't, if you prefer. It's your gain and your loss, not mine.

As for all your accusations of arrogance, saying that no one has the monopoly of knowledge is just a sneaky way of trying to hide all your own claims to that monopoly. Are you not the one who has been mocking "us" (whoever you meant by "you guys" ) for not reading like you? Your great knowledge from books is apparently supposed to be emulated by "us," not least because it is just as "Yeshua" was. I am almost never surprised or deceived by your likes with your accusations of arrogance while you yourself are being unspeakably arrogant and your claims to knowledge when you are abominably ignorant.

Do you know the book of Jasher was quoted atleast twice in the old testament? . And anyone who reads that book will see how it fills in gaps in the bible? The bible is after all a historical account brother.

That you r scared of other books that are not in your conventional bible shouldn't make you run down the books. Atleast allow other read and discern. The only way to know if a book is inspired or not is to atleast read it . That's y we have d Holy Spirit. He will teach you all things.

Atleast you r not muttey dat is hopelessly blinded . You beleive in the fallen angels story and it makes me know you beleive in the bible. That's all that matters. Leave others who wanna go d extra to gain understanding by way of BOE or Jasher because that bible you holding is not ALL of the words of Yeshua .

The important thing is to love God and His son Yeshua and it matters not if you read Jasher or Enoch. The 66 books are more than Enuff mate. I respect people who respect d bible as you clearly do by acknowledging what Peter and Jude said. Muttey is lost .

Please ill try n make this my last post here because the bible is enough and promoting a book is not the gospel however, it's also wrong to knock down a book esp if there r no evidences to prove its apostasy. All the issues raised here on Enochs apostasy have been answered. Truly, if Enoch is an inspired word, it must mirror the known word which it does.

No blasphemy, and every issue raised can be examples from the bible

Ihedinobi3:
About Enoch, I agree completely with you and thank you kindly for clarifying.

As for reading additional info, the trouble, I suppose, is how to know that the information that you are reading is actually true if it is not in the Bible. Those who are arguing so vociferously for the Book of Enoch here and elsewhere claim that the age of the book and the fact that it was read by early believers prove that it is reliable. Neither of these claims are either sufficient or necessarily true. But my point for raising them with you is that Enoch is a part of the story that God tells us in the Bible. Where then could anybody get any more information about him outside the Bible?

Enoch was of the seventh generation from Adam, which means that anything that he may have written or which may have been written contemporaneously about him is unlikely to have survived this long. That is without even accounting for the worldwide Flood of Noah's Day. Assuming that human beings had begun to write during Enoch's time so that any information about him was written then, Noah would have had to preserve it from the Flood. Then generations after him would have had to preserve that writing in the changed physical conditions of the world since that time. None of these things is very probable or particularly possible without the Lord's Own Involvement.

In fact, the Lord was not concerned with preserving anything for us that way. His Plan was to give us the Truth through the nation Israel, so the first time that the Truth was written down for preservation for believers was when Moses wrote the Pentateuch at God's Command. Moses, just like Jude later on, was given revelations of the past to write about Enoch. He didn't learn about Enoch merely from any previously written sources. How do we know that? Because the Bible makes quite clear to us that Moses wrote what God told Him or showed Him (Exodus 24:4; 34:1; Deuteronomy 31:9, 22). The nation Israel began only through Abraham who was the first Hebrew (the sign of circumcision that marked out the Hebrew was given when Abraham was 99). Enoch was not a Hebrew or a Jew, as someone here has claimed, nor was Noah, nor, in fact, any patriarch before Abraham. Abraham was the first.

So, how could we possibly have any additional information about Enoch outside the Bible? Honestly, I can't see how. Clearly, the Book of Enoch was not written by Enoch - those who are making so much noise about it here admit that it wasn't written before 300 BC, and Enoch lived around 4000 BC. The book does present itself as written by Enoch too, so how could it have been written so much later than Enoch lived? But they don't care that they are lying. As for any other source of information about Enoch, it must of necessity be prophetic, since, as I have said, no writing could have survived so long from Enoch to us without God's Own Involvement, and if God was involved in preserving it, it would be part of the Bible, but it isn't, because it isn't God-breathed at all, which also means that it isn't prophetic at all (2 Peter 1:20-21).

Please understand me. I am not insisting that you agree with me. I am just explaining what I believe to be true. You are free to reject what I say.

What I can say for Enoch is that the Lord made a point of noting him to encourage believers who will live to see the Second Advent. He was a demonstration of the living Resurrection (not that he was resurrected, no, he was only translated, but he was a demonstration to us of the Lord's Power to exclude physical death for believers). This is important because believers of Enoch's Day knew that physical death was part of our punishment from the Lord, but they very likely had no idea what would happen to those who lived and believed until the Return of the Lord to retake the Earth from Satan. It is significant to note that both his translation and the only prophecy attributed to him by the Bible point to the Second Advent. That was what the Lord wanted us to see about him. It is not wise then to go beyond what is written in the Bible because then we would lose the precious truth that the Lord is graciously giving to us through Enoch's example.

All you guys that speak with so much authority like God consults you before He does His will.

Enoch was not a Hebrew? If you were well read you would have known that the first language was hebrew before babel. Or do you think it was English or Igbo? The book of Jasher which was also mentioned in the bible enlightens us on this. All you guys dat wont read but just act as Gods mouth piece like you and God existed together since inception. Lol.

Whatever makes anyone sleep at night. Truth cannot be hidden. Who were d Angel's Peter spoke of? Which sin and who reserved them in hell?

These bible you guys are talking about lol do you know the men that canonized it? Lol. Iz like saying herod's renovation of the 2nd temple were from God. Lol. D man did it for personal reasons and God was not part of it. It's amazing how people think that some books put together by man is all God has said since inception of Man. Same man that now tells us what the church is about?

If you follow the system of man on how to relate with God we will quickly find out that the devil has infiltrated the church and is changing times and seasons. Even the church as we have it now is not what the NT apostles preached. The Catholics diluted it and every other denomination is simply an offshoot of the traditions of man.

At last God knows them that are serving Him. No one has monopoly of knowledge. Read and read more to understand by books. Even Yeshua had to read to understand His assignment. Yeshua had to apply himself to understanding scriptures as He always quoted from it.

Please I'm not trying to convince anyone to read it. In fact pls dont. But the truth should not be distorted. If you cannot say anything that BOE said to contradict d bible then pls let's hold our peace and stop judging after appearances. Our minds are limited to human understanding. We are not God and cannot think like Him. The bible with 66 books remains the authority and foundations/marking scheme for other books like BOE and as today, the book passes with flying colors when mirrored with the bible. Lol.

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MuttleyLaff:
What is the meaning of all this gobuchinny that you've put up here, huh?. I am flabbergasted that you're trying still very hard to remain permanently confused. If you're not confused, then, it means you've not and you are not paying attention. Smh.

I can't be forever running back and forth and keep on repeating myself like a broken record, so in order not to waste space, waste internet ink like my brother from another mother, CaveAdullam will say, waste my valuable and precious time to reply to this, I have used my better judgement to reproduce starting from the second page of this thread, my earliest responses in advancing incontrovertible facts, backed with figures, various appropriate and relevant bible verses

You see the above MuttleyLaff mentions, I just singled out those few, there are more, trust me, lol, they are evidences of me previously telling what is was, Peter discussed in his letter, and what also Jude discussed in his own letter, before they each began to begin lambast the false teachers etcetera and denounce the BoE. Your problem gobuchinny, is you hardly and/or at all, don't read long posts and even if you do, you dont understand whats in it and you are abysmally forgetful. What a shame, what a waste of talent, what a way to squander the potentials God gifted you with gobuchinny, smh.

For the first time I have read ALL your rubbish and I must congratulate you on your continued foolishness .

You are an apostate dear brother for I have alot of things to say about your lies and assumptions and private interpretations of already very clear scriptures. Scriptures that even a mad man will read and immediately know what the writer meant are the same scriptures you read and draw devilish conclusions . That Jude was speaking against false teachers that spoke about the fallen Angel's? @okcornel is this guy ok at all? What perversion of scripture is this?

Thank God this not the dark ages where some few people have the bibles. We all ha e it and can read it. So muttey the false prophet wont give us his own village interpretations of already clear scrpiture.

I have no strength to discuss further as I have points to trash all these lies you r spreading? We know you naa. And your father the devil is your task master. I leave you to God and trust that any sane mind would ask the Holy Spirit to lead them and trust ONLY the word of God(bible) to lead them on their journey because the world is evil and so many men have elevated themselves above God and His word. Men that beleive they know the mind of God and can explain all mysteries and explain the minds of the writers of scripture . Men that beleive all knowledge begins and ends with them.

I stand with the word of God Muttey. Any spirit filled beleiver knows what Jude and Peter were trying to say. All you have to do is read them from the beginning and see as they linked the talk on Angel's. They used the fallen angel discuss to buttress their points.Your devilish explanation will never hold water with real sons that know their Gid and His voice. For His sheep knows His voice and the voice of a hireling (Muttey ) they will not hear.

Peace.

Eviana:
Never even seen a copy of the "Book of Enoch" before, but I've heard the endless debate it.
I have always been fascinated with how Godly this man must have been to be "taken up" with God...and not see death.
I read some additional info on him though.
I'm a "sister"..

Yes Enoch has always fascinated me sister. How a man can serve God to a point that God needs him in heaven . I also discovered the catholic church intent to hide that book because it powerfully implicates the world system as we have it. Those that trust in their strength and wealth. It speaks against the carnal mind and how love for God is essential. How the world will end and the messiah will come before the last days. Enoch saw Yeshua before any other book spoke of God's son..can you imagine that? That's the book some say is accursed? A book that glorifies the Son in a time no one even knew God had a son

It's a powerful book but like I always say, if someone has not read and digested the NT scriptures and the bible as we have it then the person has no business reading Enoch or Jasher. Truth is the devil has infiltrated the work of God and pollute its ways. There is an abomination of desolation presently in place. If he could we wont even have a bible. People dont kno that even the bible as we have it was canonized by evil men . Men who hated God. Men who were perverse to the works of God. God always protects His word because if not the works would have been lost.

BOE is a great read for the mature Christian as you must first know the voice of God from the bible before reading such books if not you will be in a valley of confusion and total darkness like some people are. Then the letter begins to kills whereas the spirit behind the letter should give you life.

Eviana:
Do you have a keen understanding of the "66" books already present in the Bible?
Just the first five books of the Bible, known as the books of Moses, would keep me engrossed for days.
Enoch was mentioned in the highest manner..in Genesis, so I think that was sufficent enough.
I think what's in the Bible is what God wanted in there and for us to focus on...not what's "not" there.

Well said brother and that's been my school of thought. I only get angry when people bash the book because they dknt understand it . Focus on the 66 books as its more than enough and if you want more then read Enoch, or Jasher and if not DONT. but dont keep looking for reasons to bash it because under the microscope, the book stands the test of scripture and always passes

2 Peter 2 vs 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement.

These verse came as Peter had previously explained in Chapter 1 vs 19 -21 about the sure word of prophecy and how God spoke to them on the mountain with Yeshua. He also said how God has been speaking through Holy men to birth scripture. Bear in mind that the apostle knew that their letters were scripture becaus e they understood how God works. The only piece God wrote Himself were the 10 commandments everyother scripture were written by God through man.

He then explained that as they are true prophets and scribes of God, they were also false prophets that will bring in damanble heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them

2 Peter 2:1-3 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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And that many shall follow their ways.....he then likened the false prophets to the fallen angels . @okcornel are you seeing these. Now what did the fallen Angel's do? They brought damnable heresies, and denied the lord that bought them by copulating with fleshy and earthy man and producing offsprings, evil giant offsprings and brought upon themselves swift destruction because right now those Angel's are locked up in their hell and chained unto the end of days. @okcornel you dey see these rev .

And many humans follow their perilous ways . Did you see how everything fitted with the verses above? How and why Peter used the fallen Angel's and false prophets as mirror image for both destruction and apostacy?.

My friend if you are not seeing these things then you are stiff necked and i cannot help you. Because you have chosen to beleive lies infact the damanble heresies here is you saying that there were no fallen Angel's. I can imagine apostle Peter will slap your face if you were alive in His days. .

You have alot to learn bro. Be humble. You are not bigger than God. Everybody dey learn. I love to learn and would learn from you if I feel what you r saying is right. But clearly you are perverting scripture and I worry for you. Be careful the devil is real and is looking for who to devour. Sin is lurking at the door bro. Lets all be humble.

I would have done the jude analysis but no need.

MuttleyLaff:
Peter and Jude did not exchange letters with other. Peter first sent put his letter before Jude did, he not only his copied from Peter when quoting the BoE, just as Peter did, bit also confirmed that things Peter wrote in his letter has begun to happen at the time he was then writing his letter. Scroll up the thread, you'll see how I showed this.

Muttey show whatever you wanna show. I haven't seen anything yet that collaborates what you r saying. Becos you seem to say that Peter and Jude referenced Enoch to condemn it. And I'm putting it to you to prove this theory.

What scriptures made you arrive at this assumptions as regards the quoting of the BOE to castigate by Peter and Jude. Dis you read the preceding verses to draw this conclusion? Because what I find in my KJV is in total opposition to your hypothesis or thoery.

Please ellaborate

MuttleyLaff:
You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

Please dear muttey show me where Peter and Jude discussed or exchanged letters to themselves to discuss this false teachers and denouncing the BOE

OkCornel:
Gobuchinny, the comedy show is getting more hilarious. Apparently, Muttley was an eye witness back then to confirm the false teachers Peter and Jude were referring to...got their inspiration from BoE


Lmao

Mehn I'm happy everyone can read and make their decisions. . Any sane mind can quickly decipher his tricks and falsehood in distorting scripture and being evasive about facts

MuttleyLaff:
You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

Mehn you r evasive on all fronts . What r you even saying. Didnt I answer your questions already? You raised the issue off 3000 or 300 cubits didnt you read my response on Acts 9 and Acts 22? Did you even read my post this man? I have thrash all you demonic arguments and any sane mind reading this thread knows already how you distort scriptures.

The books of acts mixed up Paul's narrative on his conversion, y dont you say d book is accursed .

The letter killeth muttey and its killing you every second . The spirit giveth life brother. You need that Spirit to interpret scripture as scripture not as your story books

OkCornel:
Abeg, how did Peter and Jude denounce the BoE?

By agreeing the angels sinned and were casted into hell? By agreeing certain angels rebelled and left their first estate? By agreeing these angels are bound with chains awaiting judgement?


I’m really loving this joke.

I'm waiting for him that knoweth all wisdom. The King of Kings and Lord of lords Muttey.

Let him tell us under which context his devilish and proud assumptions that Peter and Jude were denouncing the book. A book they quoted to further reiterate their points.

It amazes such uncircumcised hearts in man that in light of facts, man still wallows in darkness

Muttey biko I'm waiting. Let's put this joke to bed once and for all biko. You have been around this foolishness too long

MuttleyLaff:
I often quote other materials to denounce them. Don't be daft gobuchinny. What's your problem, erhn?

But what was the context of discuss my very wise friend muttey . Are you dull of understanding? Ok. To help your comprehension . What was the discuss before either Peter or Jude quoted the glorious book? Oya tell me Oh wise King Muttey.

Your foolishness will be revealed for all today. Please answer me

MuttleyLaff:
"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

"Where did Peter, Jude and Paul denounce the book of Enoch as fraud?
Same book of Enoch Jesus quoted from abi? Nice joke."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by ỌkCornel(m): 8:22am On Aug 20

I know you guys hardly read long posts, if at all you do manage to read them, you dont carefully read them or you quickly forget what you've read.

I have never written that Peter or Jude were lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology I also have never ever written anything to the the effect that Peter and Jude were wrong to lift verses out of the BoE into their letters. I have extensively expressed how and why, the reasons, Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, lol, but you guys are still no the wiser, lol. Smh

I would repeat myself and summarise in three to four words, the reason why Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, it is because they were denouncing the book and pointing out "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", and "heresy(ies)" in the book. Those already familiar with the BoE and who are ardent supporters of the book, knew that it is the BoE, that Peter and Jude were quoting from, without even the name BoE being mentioned and used to lambast them with.

But what foolishness is this muttey. How can Peter and Jude be quoting from a book to denounce the book? Does that sound right to even you?

So you author a book and have someone write the forward or abstract and then you now say you dont beleive in the persons opinion? Or you write your thesis and reference another author who has done same work on what you writing and say you dont beleive in the work you referenced?

My man, are you serious?

MuttleyLaff:
So you now all of a sudden now want to discuss facts erhn? OK, stop ranting and raving now then, lets get down to it and discuss a few facts in BoE then straightaway. Let's have you the opportunity to shine, be on centre stage and become a gobuchinny BoE star, lol, bwahahaha.

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

1/ Is the Book of Enoch outrightly and plain for the eye to given a mention anywhere in the Bible, as in meaning the word BoE was speeled out?
2/ In the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, in it, it is said, the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions, like of the The Book of Enoch Chapter 7:1-2, actually say they are three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Where or whether it is 300 0r 3000 cubits, I dont care. I just want to know, is this fact or fiction, lol. More than a football pitch length baby? Babies as high as a 45-storey building? Somebody help a brother out here, lol.
3/ Everyone knows there is only one Bible but multiple translation versions, but with the Book of Enoch, apart from the lost first century book, there are actually three different Book of Enoch and not three translation version, they dont even compliment each other, like bible translations do. Is it because BoE is a work of fiction and not factual, lol?

gobuchinny, nwanne, I have more facts I'll like you to face up to but lets just let you first deal with these simple easy first three facts or fiction. lol. bwahahaha.

You have tried severally to shoot down this books and each time you r also shooting down the conventional bible because it's the same Spirit. Acts 22 vs 9 Paul's account of His conversion and Acts 9 vs 7, the regular account contradicts themselves. The first says that the people with Paul did not hear any voice that spoke to Paul but the other states that the People heard but saw none. My friend you must understand that these scripture were written by Holy men and sometimes when handed down from generations, there r rewritten or translated, there r bound to be mix ups. These are after all historical events that are reported by men. Even the voice of God speaking to Israel is an historical event . Any baby christain reading acts will say the bible is fake as y the contradiction but mature beleivers understand via the Holy Spirit that man has flaws but God does not . You dont read the letter nwanne but the Spirit. The letter killeth as its killing you now but the Spirit giveth life

Furthermore one of the accounts in either Matthew or mark I cant recall states the account of the prophet that was killed of old but falsely states him as the son of another Zechariah which bible scholars acknowledged was a mix up because that account of the scripture if taken was impossible as that zechariah the bible says was not killed with a saw. It clearly connotes the human error but are we to throw away my the baby with.......

Yes there r different versions of the BOE but only one authentic which is the one myself and @okcornel have been quoting. It wont take much for a Spirit filled beleiver to read all and decipher which one is dung. It further proves that the devil is working hard to deceive people into not reading the book . Because were there r fakes, there must of certainty be an original. These is also applicable to the book of Jasher but any spirit filled beleiver quickly knows the real book of Jasher and mocks the others cause it's like a joke. That y you have the Holy Spirit my friend, or dont you have him?

my friend there is nothing you wanna say to accuse that book that wont fall also on the conventional word as it's written with the same Spirit of prophecy.

Still waiting for fact sir as all you have said have been thrashed out here with further biblical proofs.

@okcornel if Peter was lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology. It then means, there was no flood and that Sodom and Gomorrah is probably now America and Great Britian as there were never destroyed.

The word of God is Final. We cannot add to it nor is it of any private interpretation. It was breathed by God and is an authority. We r not to privately interpret the word of God but to take it as Thus saith the Lord. If we ever find ourselves trying to explain away fooliness when the word CLEARLY states something, it means we are proud and are taking the place of God.

If I recall, the person that did that initially was Lucifer . Were he magnified himself against God and says his better than God . I will forever follow the bible and not men. If the bible says that some Angels sinned then angels sinned. No questions and no interpretations . We r soldiers of the cross and the word is the constitution. It cannot be altered or privately explained as the explanations are plain for all to see.

Its these private explanations of the word that has led us in this mess we have now in Nigeria. Where all manner of men rise up on the name of God to interpret scriptures as they feel forgetting that there had been a doctrine before them. The same doctrine all Christians must follow. Paul said he had preached ALL the gospel. So you and I can never have any new revelation . What ever the Spirit tells us must be in conformity with the word of God. If you see Yeshua, whatever He tells you just be in alignment with the word.

But here we have authorities, and gods unto themselves who can sit in the comfort of their rooms and stand on their altars and declare bold things against God. And shake their fists at the Almighty. . Like God is not wise whereas the foolishness of God is wiser than men . Like God cannot think for Himself. Like God is subject to me and is at the mercy of men . God has been in charge and is still in charge of earth and sees all the pride and folly of men that claim to be God.

The foundations of the Lord stand the sure..........

@okcornel did you notice 2 peter 2 vs 4 -7. How Peter wrote of historical events . He started with the Angel's that sinned and were reserved in hell for judgement on the last day, and then spoke about the overthrow of man with the flood, and lastly Sodom and Gomorroh.

Also notice how he started from the earliest of the stories . To the most recent. Firstly, the angel that kept not their first estate and sinned during the time of Jared, Enoch's grandfather . Then the overthrow of the world as we had it then during Noah's time and lastly the roasting of Sodom and Gomorroh during the time of Abraham.

The writer is very vast in historical events as he laid it down chronologically and tactically.

OkCornel:
Gobuchinny, see someone speaking from both sides of the mouth. According to him, God didn't cast any angel into hell, but at the same time...all of the "66 books" including 2 Peter 2 and Jude were inspired by God...

Lemme keep on watching more comedy unfold here...

The guy is not a christain . Someone that thinks his better than Peter . A gentile like you and me that were lost and going astray that were drafted in suddenly wants to become an authority in christianity. Salavtion that you had to learn about. That was not local to us na em baba want turn authority even to the point to rewriting the bible

I laugh at these guys who beleive they know better than the apostles that laid the foundations. Alot of these beleifs emanates from carnal mindedness. Because they beleive the lies and books of their pastors which breeds carnality. They believe the books their pastors in gold write and are happy reading it but the BOe that is filled with spiritually food they cant discern . Dame book that points you to God and His son and tells you to remove yourself from carnality and vanity. Same thing God has been saying through out all generations.

Baby christain everywhere whose mind cant eat the meat of the gospel but are hooked on milk and crumbs. Same folk that beleive sons of God are children of Oduduwa and beleive fornication is not sin.

Instead of being humble and learn, the truth is strange to them. They r reprobate that think they can change the laws of God. Just imagine where someone is saying Peter and Jude dont know what they were saying quoting the beliefs of a book he claims to have read but cant comprehend .

How else do I show I beleive in a matter than to quote either beliefs from that book or verbatim like Jude.

His talking about Paul quoting greek writers. Not knowing that any fool can quote moral laws. You dont have to be a christain to agree with an atheist that says racism is bad . If I agree with the atheist does it mean I'm an atheist? But if I quote the traditional beliefs not moral beleifs then it proves I agree with the atheist that there is no God. America is not Gods own country, let's not deceive ourselves yet they have laws that acknowledge the human being and makes live easy for their citizens. Does it now mean they r governed by God. Morals laws have been in existence since creation even Hammurabi had laws before Israel, does it mean God copied them? Hammurabi that was a pagan wicked King from babylon

Peter didnt quote moral beleifs of the BOE but quoted traditional beliefs about Angel's sinning and being held in a hell till judgement . How is it that people cannot see that? It baffles me how peoples minds have been blinded to apostasy and being reprobates and enemies of God. For they claim to be smart but are really dull of understanding.

@okcornel my brother. I no get strength for this discuss oo. Me I want someone that is not blind to facts and can discuss intelligently. Besides I have always stated my stand. If you no like the BOE, abeg leave am for us. I'm not advocating for anyone to read the book as it's not scripture as we have it. The 66 books are enough and will lead anyone who truly reads it to eternal life which is the aim of all these books

MuttleyLaff:
Each one of the 66 books, making up the Bible, are given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes, not and never the accursed BoE.

GOD is not asking yours or my opinion about His word, because God wants us to face are facts, deal with genuineness, goodness and truthfulness

gobuchinny, we learn something new about God everyday

Dont just say that God has said something. Show it now, show where in the bible, God or any other person for that matter, mentioned that the BoE is scripture

That is their destiny gobuchinny.

I pity the generation of indomie and banana island christians too, so makes at least two of us that pity them

Smh, gobuchinny, remember, I previously typed that, I quote from the Quran, but it doesnt mean I quote from the Quran because I believe or know it is a God breath book inspired work of God. I also added that, similar applies to Peter and Jude, they quoted from the accursed BoE, not to endorse it but making a point with the references to the text in it they used.

Now let me clear more and properly. Apostle Paul wrote more than half of the 27 books, epistles and letters that make up the New Testament. Guess what gobuchinny. Apostle Paul quoted pagan unbelievers philosophers in those at least 13 books, epistles and letters written by him. Yes, he quoted Seneca, Epimenides, Menander, Plato, Socrates, Aristole and Aratus

Just as with Peter and Jude quoting the BoE, not for the purpose of endorsing it but used for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes against the false teachers, so Apostle Paul too wasnt supporting any of the pagan unbelievers philosophers he quoted from, but instead was using their material he quoted from in his work of defending and spreading the gospel.

I can give you a long list, but because of time, will limit it to just two short examples. Apostle Paul, in Acts 17:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:33 quotes from two pagan unbeliever philosophers writers, Aratus and Menander. That Acts 17:28b, where Apostle Paul says, "As some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also his offspring'", actually had the line taken from the Phaenomena of Aratus and of course Aratus is the name of the pagan unbeliever poet he did not mention, lol.

The 1 Corinthians 15:33 "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners" was lifted and copied by Apostle Paul from Thais, a work done by pagan unbeliever writer called Menander, who supposedly had earlier quoted from another person called Euripides, a pagan unbeliever scholar, lol.

Why dont you just show where in the 66 books of the bible, he books of Enoch is mentioned. It's either you put up or shut up.

"The wicked have told me fables: but not as thy law."
- Psalm 119:85

No sire, get away from me shaitan!. We are warned not to give heed to Jewish fables, to pay no attention to Jewish myths and have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales. Praise God. Alleluia.

You're more confused than a fart let loose on the production line floor of fan making factory. Only God can help you

You're making whistling noises and to make it worse, doing it in the wind.

Do you know what a boomerang is, huh?. If you do, then watch yourself, and choose your words, choose them carefully whenever and wherever it involves MuttleyLaff because boomerangs recoils on the originator.

I am this much close to about resigning myself to the fact you're a lost cause where this matter of the BoE is concerned

Your case is pathetic sir . See you quoting confusion upon urself. So a man quotes or references a book doesnt give you enuff sense that he believes in the book. PAUL was addressing the athenians and trying to merge their pagan beleifs to the only true God. He said some of of their poets and worship have been to an unknown God now his here to declare the God. That before God overlooked but that now He wants to reconcile the whole world. Was has that got to do with quoting from their book? Arastus was a pagan beleiver, enoch was a jew. Abi dont you know he was? . He quoted menander in moral talk not in historical events bro. Pls stop twisting the gospel. Hope you know that the Jews were not the only nation with a law. Have you heard of hammurabi? His laws are older than the Jewish laws and you will find similar laws esp on marriage, crime and punishment etc. Does it mean God copied King Hammurabi? "Evil communication corrupts good manners" no be true. Does Apostle Paul have to say that to know it's TRUE? It's like saying Arisyotle said does who cannot work should not eat and if Yeshua says the same thing does it mean that he endorsed or copied from Aristotle? But and if Yeshua states from their greek mythology of how Zeus married Aros then that can be said to be an endorsement of their pagan beliefs.

It's very different from endorsing a belief system like what Jude and Peter did in talking about the Angel's punished. Oga answer me. Was Peter drunk when he spoke about Angel's getting punished? Or was he hallucinating? Who were the Angel's? Who tied them up till judgement? If Paul had quoted the gentiles pagan beleifs system in their God Zeus or picked a historical event of greek mythology of how cronus or Uranus were born them we would say he endorsed the greek myths.

Ave tried severally to inform you but you r stiff necked my friend. You r too smart for yourself. Smarter than God .

You have become a judge of the law and not a doer. Continue brotherly. When we all meet the true judge then we would all weigh our actions and thoughts. I beleive it's the same you dat said something about fornication rite? .

I choose the words of God over your words bro. No offence. Those scriptures of Jude and Peter clearly quotes from the what the BOE spoke about what else do you need?

Even Paul spoke of gentiles been grafted into the olive branch as we r not of the natural branch in Roman's and you r here saying Jewish fabbles. Even Yeshua said salvation is of the jews abi is Yeshua from your village? Be humble and learn. Stop being wise. You cannot know more than the person/people that laid the foundation . There r d ones that will tell you the type of structure to put up else the building no matter how high or fine will collapse.

Learn and dont add or remove from scripture bro. Let's forget about the BOE since that a stumbling block to your understanding of scrpiture but atleast comprehend that Jude and Peter beleived that some Angel's left their first estate, some angels sinned, some angels were mubished and reserved till judgement. If you cannot see that then you are clearly apostate and lost and a judge of the law. Maybe you should then write your own bible.

My last comment on this with you. I dont dispute these things with men who clearly lack spiritual understanding but always trying to be smart. Using carnal understanding for spiritual discuss. Like I said if no be you I no go talk. If you like read BOE if you no like leave am. It's not the gospel as the bible is snuff. But for matured sons, it's a gold mine

MuttleyLaff:
Nwanne, kedu, long time until recent, how bodi nau?

It is providence, it is good that you yielded to God's will and responded

My balls were given me by God, and I forever thank Him for them. Nwanne please show where , if not from the BoE, that God at anytime cast any Angel's in hell. Asides 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 which other bible advanced the idea that God at anytime cast any Angel's in hell.

gobuchinny, I quote from the Quran, but it doesnt mean I quote from the Quran because I believe or know it is a God breath book inspired work of God. Similar applies to Peter and Jude, they quoted from the accursed BoE, not to endorse it but making a point with the references to the text in it they used

gobuchinny, God appointed only certain number of men to be writers. As a matter of fact, 40 men wrote the entire God's Word, that is the 66 books, making up the Bible. It will interest you to know gobuchinny, that Enoch was not one, among any of the 40 men writers inspired by God to write. Enoch, just never put pen to paper talkless write anything called the book of Enoch

What exactly and contextually was the book of 2nd Peter tackling and talking about now gobuchinny, hmm? You go school now, you sabi read, you at least are literate enough to be able to point out the true intentions of the two authors, Peter andJude, and analyze the whole context of their letters, the parallels or similarities

"I also tell you that you are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
(i.e. meaning upon this Rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it."
- Matthew 16:18

gobuchinny, do not let the BoE get you in a reading slump, lol. Matthew 16:18 above and this is all, I'll for now, will say to your comment here, lol.

"Agbẹdọ" loosely translated means, God forbid bad thing

gobuchinny, MuttleyLaff will rather stay true in the darkness of the book of Enoch and be humble in the spotlight of revealing what an accursed book the BoE is

The book of Enoch is a case of res ipsa loquitur, meaning the thing, the evidence speaks for itself, lol. Look at the slanders in the book now, the contrary to reason and/or common sense, the utterly absurd, ridiculous and impossicants in the BoE.

C'mon now gobuchinny, dont be in denial. Dont deny any of these which are very obvious to see now. Living in denial, only makes accepting the truth about the accursed BoE that much harder.

You and I are in no position to debate NT scripture. we are not jews but stinking gentiles that were grafted into the olive tree Roman's 11. WE are all gentiles and the testament was not ordained by us but handed over to us by the apostles. People dont understand that as God used Moses to hand over the law He used the apostles to hand over the law . Could you have said the law was not of God if you were born in Israel during the old testament era?The apostles were jews and of the stock af Abraham who had the real religion. . If you and I were born during the Roman or grecian period or other empires we would be classified as gentiles. Not capable of being priests of God or even knowing God. Condemned to God's wrath . The NT teaching is a doctrine my friend. GOD is not asking your option about it. Its already been handed down. In fact do you know we are to remind ourselves of the doctrine. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is nothing new under the sun so there is no new revelation or doctrine. ALL has been revealed and the book written, sealed and binded for these last days of wrath .

The apostles letters were scriptures . Reading your post I shake my head because your post reeks of rebellion . Were God has said something and you want to redefine it. You twist scriptures or claiming scripture is not scripture like as if you were there or consulted when it was written. These are men that Yeshua chose to champion the NT covenant, men that hazard their lives for the gospel. I. These generation of indomie and banana island christians. . Bros me I no get strength but any discerning beleiver sees from your post your arrogance in belittling the order God has kept in place. If you cannot take ALL the NT letters as scripture then I dont think you are a Christian bro . ALL scripture is inspired by God. GOD speaks through men and im sure as these men wrote they knew it was scripture.

You must understand that the ancient jews believed in the Angel's as all their literacy and beliefs reeks of it. The ancient jews had the books of Enoch, books of Jashers and other books. If you read other Jewish sources you will see writings about the beleifs systems. Sir dont you know that you shouldn't be asking what is believed now by the jews but what they beleive then because after all they r the custodians of the true religion which we all key into now. Even Yeshua said salvation is of the Jews.

Didnt the bible say in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall.......For scripture to be scripture y should it be written to us more than once . For me if 2 different NT scripture talks about something, that's enough proof abi how many times did they write that God created Lucifer or that Daniel dwelt in Babylon?

The problem we have in christianity now is men disrespecting the order and wanting to establish their own order. They leave and abandon the foundation laid by the apostles and want to build another. Christians are not humble to carry on the doctrine whereas Paul told Timothy to pass on what he has learnt to the elders . It's not your own christianity, its God and He has communicated the doctrine to the apostles whose names are found as the foundations of heaven in Revelations abi is it me and your name or pastors names that are the foundations of heaven?

Bro be careful as I preserve you are in the valley of total rebellion and blasphemy with God .

Even if you r smarter, stronger, wiser than all humans, you are not smarter........than God. HE HONOURS HIS WORD MORE THAN HIS NAME. THE QUESTION IS, WHICH WORD?

MuttleyLaff:
My friend, God did not at anytime yet cast any angel anywhere down to any hell, and/or hasnt delivered anyone into any chains of darkness, to be reserved into judgement. This is a traditional story popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated by any other bible verse except for 2 Peter 2:4 or Jude 1:6 and these two 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 verses were lifted from the BoE, which , the BoE is never attributed to be scripture because it is an uninspired, not God breath accursed book.

It is the BoE and Jewish fables that popularised the concept of angels being sons of God, having sexual intercourse with female human beings, impregnating and marrying them. This is just lies, slander and a terrible figment of imagination

The bible, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, never, says the sons of God are angels. It does however points the sons of God to be human beings. The BoE doesnt do or say human beings are sons of God because it is a book full of old wives' tales and beliefs that are incorrect.

Oh oh, someone's woke, lol

Praise God. Alleluia. lol

Thank you Abba.

My friend,

I would not have responded but I remember we have our gentle man talk all this while. For you to say God did not at anytime cast any Angel's in hell is to contradict the spoken word of God. I just say you have some balls to stand against HIS WORD. Remember that the bible says that God honors His word more than His name. God is a writer Himslef as everything is written down and He has scrolls Himself. Everytime He visits a man He tells Him to write. Presently if you claim to serve God and dont have a notepad, I question your service.

5hat been said, human think there are smarter than God. Imagine you contradicting the bible directly. Saying that God did not when he clearly did. The book of 2nd Peter clearly states so abi is Peter apostate also??. See, even the poeple that canonized the 65 books would have left off the books and added their own accursed catholic books but for the fact that God preserves His word. Or you think the canon was in the favour of Chriatians? Dont you know the history of the Church and the incursion of Satan to truncate Christianity which is a wind fall of what you now see in the society because truly the christain doctrine has been infiltrated by demons.

Dont be proud my friend. God has been in charge of the earth. Nothing escapes Him. If the sun can shine everyday then He knows how to preserve His own words. The Boe is authentic. It points you to the One true God and His son Yeshua. It points you to eternal life not carnality like the books your pastor authors which you love.

DONT PLAY GOD MY MAN. BE HUMBLE AND LEARN. YOU ARE BUT A MAN THAT WILL PASS AWAY AND THE WORD REMAINS. THERE HAVE BEEN SCRIBES OF THE LORD SINCE CREATION. THE JEWS WERE A MODEL OF THE LOVERS OF GOD SINCE CREATION. IT DOSNT START WITH THE PRESENT JEWS BUT IT STARTED WITH CREATION. THE FIRST LANGUAGE WAS HEBREW NOT MINE/YOUR VILLAGE LANGUAGE


Peace

OkCornel:
I would still like to see where God, or Jesus or the Apostles limited the words of God to a set of books.

I'm still baffled as to why people think the God of all flesh who has been in existence since forever can suddenly have His words limited to a collection of books. Perhaps that is man creating God in their own image...rather than the other way round.

My friend 2peter 2 vs 4 2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved into judgement.

I wonder what these guys who say sons of God r sons of oduduwa think of this. Angel's that SINNED. And delivered them and cast them into hell and chains of darkness. The same thing BOE says.

So my question. What sin did d Angels commit and which Angels??. Because if u say Lucifer, well lucifer ain't in hell and ain't chained becuz d devil WALKETH to and fro hell...NO!!!. to and fro the earth. .

You guys should circumcise ur hearts. You cannot explain God entirely and Yes, you are not smarter than Elohim

If humans can preserve carnal useless knowledge that perish with the reading. How much more the Words of eternal life

NeutralNigerian:
Its very clear in the scriptures, Suffer not a witch to live, If you allow the devil to use you,you have yo die, I don't have powers to cast the devil out of you, but I have the power to cast you out of the devil.

Rubbish post. R y sure you r a christ follower or you practice Judaism? Which doctrine r y following? Christ or your village high priest?

Slawormir:
Damnnnnn

Those shit don't work on real niggarrrz

And real niggarrrz don't believe in those shit

I'm almost certain that you r already hooked in the nose by what you claim not beleive .

There r spirits and the world is very wicked my friend. The earlier you realise that the better.

Cover your head in Yeshua. Dont be lukewarm not believing in anything. It's too dangerous to walk barefoot in this world full of rocks and stones.

Give your life to Yeshua and be protected from this present evil

emsco:
Twitter and cooked up stories. Why can't they use the jazz to get top men like Adenuga, Otedola, Dangote and the rest?

You think does men you mentioned walk carelessly? People underestimate the power of the spiritual. Those men you mentioned have higher powers that those girls powers r learners .

Beleive me bro, the spiritual is realer than the physical. We r to careless in this generation. You r either hot or cold but dont be lukewarm. In a war, those caught up in the middle are usually the first casualties.

Be wise and give your life to Yeshua and be a very good good guy or be a very good bad guy not a very careless good guy or a very careless bad guy.

The world is full of wicked spirits

bereanway:
I will start with this, and then you can reason with me. The Bible says we should pray for our enemies; but the question comes, what kind of enemies should we pray for? are they just normal enemies that hate us or those that persecute us or satanic enemies? What prayer should you pray for your unrepentant village head witch that has killed over hundred people and is still a witch or an occultic ritualist using young pupils for money? should it be prayers of blessings?

Someone said "nobody will kill him and repent". Let me ask you! If someone has killed six of your relatives, and does not want to repent, and of which you know that about five of them died as sinners, should you pamper that enemy? Forgive. But what if the enemy is unrepentant and continues killing people?. should we pamper enemies that increase the population of hell fire? should we pamper enemies that do not want to repent until they have killed 200 people?

Does this make sense? giving a hardened and unrepentant enemy that is killing people the time lag to repent, and if he or she does not repent from killing, he or she should die.

Note: If an enemy kills you and repents, he will be forgiven. But if you die unprepared, you go to hell fire.

Please ask God how to pray for your enemies, and what type of prayer for various types of enemies

God does not pardon innocent people who died as sinners and who were killed by enemies..


Preach to those heartless enemies, but if they do not repent from strong wickedness, they can meet Satan their father by the judgement of the police/military..

This is a very unbiblical post. You guys fail to realise that we are in the new testament era. "We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against."......"for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal.......". Yeshua says pray for your enemy. Abeg wetin enemy mean again? Which one is different types of enemy. He said pray for those that persecute you...even Stephen before they killed him prayed for his killers, Yeshua did same and it was common practice for the early martyrs. Paul says do good to your enemies that it's like heaping coal on them. Any other doctrine is demonic and unscriptural which is what this post is

The issue is Christian's now are to carnal and are like salt that has lost its savor. If truly you r a lover of God you wont be having village people chasing you. God will take care of those things if you r on fire for God. Can you imagine a village head killing Yeshua or Paul or Peter? Iz becos we are lukewarm and dont love God hence all this useless fall down and die prayers.

Lovers of God dont pray for people to die but God has the discretion on when to kill wicked people as I beleive in judgement and killing is part of judgement for evil unrepentant blood suckers but it's not in your place but Gods decision. Your own is to serve Him and do His commandments which includes praying for your enemies

The best thing is to be serious with God and you wont even know you have enemies . The enemy is irrelevant if we focus on the word. GOD never told Adam about the devil and his tricks but only gave him the word for Adam to obey. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Obey the word esp the NT and see how God makes you d apple of His eye

Praivit0:
I don't dabble into other books that aren't part of the 66books of the Bible, however I must categorically say that when christianity started there was nothing like the 66books. The compilation was made by theologians. There were other epistles in the early church like those of Barnabas and co, do we then call Christians of that era who believed in such epistles heretic.

Ones salvation shouldn't be judged by wether the person believes in the book of Enoch or not but in the belief of the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and saviour.

Believing in other books like book of Enoch doesn't make one a heretic. Let's not be stereotypical as Christians.

Let's be guided by the Spirit of Christ and not by assumption and opinions of people who condemn what they haven't read. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.

Very mature poster . Some people dont know that the early christains didnt have the bible in 66 books like we have it now but they were independent books of their own which were read separately and never collectively. The truth really hurts and for some people it shakes their whole world and beliefs systems hence the rubbish belief that the sons of God were the children of Seth . That part just makes me LOL wheneva I think of it . Just negodu nonsense reasoning even after overwhelming scriptural evidences that proves otherwise. The human mind hates truth and is always comfortable in deceits and lies just like a pig is comfy in the mud that even when you wash and bathe it in truth it still returns to the mud and filth of lies . Me I no go enter mud with anybody. If you like make sons of God be children of Okonkwo or Oduduwa na u sabi or if you say the BOE was written in hell or in ogbomosho, na you sabi. Me I will forever be making reference to the book and will teach my children. Come and beat me

Maamin:
My brother this people will twist anything in the scripture just to fix in their erroneous teaching. How can Jude be warning against Enoch's writing when in fact he was acknowledging it ? Truth is has been made plain right before them. Pride and ego won't let them accept it.

Honestly I have zero patience for people who talk Ill about this glorious book of Enoch. I dont try and convince them either because it's not necessary to read it as the bible as we have is enough for any beleiver to grow and be fully mature. I also beleive that the bible MUST first be read and understood before delving into the BOE. But for any matured son of God the book is very informative and strengthens faith because it fills in the gaps neatly about the historical occurances of the world and fallen Angel's. Same fallen Angel's the world believes in and have even perverted by Hollywood lies. It's the same fallen Angel's some 'christians' wont beleive because of their harden and uncircumcised heart .

Imagine foolishness of saying sons of God r children of Seth . What a joke. Me I dont argue with folks whose minds are not open to learn but are like a flint that is cast on rock.

Keep it up @okcornel.

toaterry:
God will grant you the grace to buy one.

Whixh one is grace to buy car again . Ordinary car wey even person wey no get grace dey buy na em God go grant you grace to buy? So even if you then buy d car that means God has blessed you abi?

Nigerians and religion. D thing dey taya person

Auxtin85:
Me get huge sexual libido, my sex drive na Ferrari

Be mindful bro. Ferrari sef dey crash.

BLEMOSEDU:
Most of these your curses are gibberish, the truth is no one has absolute knowledge of how the universe came about

People that dont know are those who refuse to study. Even when they do, they question what their tiny minds cant understand. Imagine explaining the internet to the generation of ROME .

What ever makes you sleep at night bruv. Make every man answer em name. Besides, I didnt curse anyone

LordReed:
Utter tripe, just chock full of superstitious nonsense and mythological bullshit. Not even worth a proper response for all its lengthy bullcrap.

I am living my life without your god and your devil can't do shít because they fictional characters in your deluded worldview.

I said I wont respond but cant help to ignore foolishness from a child. YOU WONT BE THE FIRST NEITHER THE LAST TO BLASPHEME GOD. Weather you have been to Russia or not, the fact is it exists . Your portion is determined. BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID FOR THIS IS THE LAST DAYS . Men will fall like rain. Lives will be wasted. Disasters, earth quakes and other natural disasters. Plane crashes, automobile crashes and other man made disasters .The time is short my friend. I'm smiling as I type this. The time is short. After death, there is no other chance. life is soooooo short . 100 years? That In itself is short. Will you get to 90?

ETERNITY IS TO LOONG TO BE WRONG.

No more comments from here bruv. Enjoy ur life while you have it. Then you will know when you die that d life you had, you did nothing to contribute to your having it. You were formed like a porter forms a pot