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LordReed:
When you see a car parked outside your gate you know it was a human being parked it out there because you have only ever experienced a human being driving and parking cars. You have never experienced a dog or cat or any other nonhuman drive and park cars. If dogs, cats and humans can all drive and park cars, would you be certain it was a human that parked the car or would you wonder which one of the 3 capable agents did it? In our human experience we have nothing to compare any actions between what we call natural and the acts of a god. It usually leads to people like you indulging in a god of the gaps fallacy, inserting your favourite mythological characters in spaces where we lack knowledge.



Is there only one father or president or premiership jersey in the whole world? So why would you believe there is only one god? Our earth is insignificant compared to the universe and yet there are at least 500 million fathers on our planet atm. Then in a universe of billions of planets we should believe there is only one god? Why does your intuition get kwashiorkor when it comes to that?



Actually it's the height of delusion to assume that your intuition is 100% accurate in face of a lack of evidence. You delude yourself into thinking there is a magic sky daddy in the nebulous place you call heaven. A place you have no evidence of but can describe and believe your description to be 100% accurate. If you can't see how utterly arse backward that is then you only prove the point that you are utterly deluded.

. Your comments made me laugh loud. Like I said I dont indulge atheist but why NOT!!

Your first point. Y cant it be a dog that parked d car? Have you seen dogs drive? As strong as man is, dont you c d limitations? Man in all his strength struggles to make life better for themselves yet die like everyother thing. Like a dog, a cow, even the trees, man dies like every other being. Man does not have power over death. Can you be in America and dictate what happens in Lagos? Man is limited, it shows there r other forces . Have you seen evil? Hmm. If you have worked in the armed forces and see d wickedness of man, you will agree that there is a DEVIL. You see a man and see the embodiment of a devilish/wicked force because the things this man does even you and me as wicked as we are cannot imagine ourselves doing such

You asked if there is one president or premiership of the whole world? bros but there is one world naaaa. Every nation or premiership club acts as one world. ONE WOLRD ONE GOD. even the premiership has one FA BOSS. The presidents have one EU boss or AU boss. These r institutions of men which proves that a man can preside over a people so y is it strange that one God can do same.

If you were a reader you will understand that the ancient people who did great things and who are still studied till today understood the essence of a God. We r lazy in this generation because we are at ease . Internet, cars, planes, things are easier for this generation so they have forgotten the God factor but d issue in ancient civilization was not if there was a God but which is the true God . There all understood that they is a supreme being in charge of the cosmos, something this generation does not understand.

Bros like I said, you and I dont ave words together. What agreement has the temple of God with foolishness. I have no issue with you for I beieleve it's only weak and foolish men that say there is no God

Even the movers and shakers of this temporal world know that there is a Heavenle being tho their opinions r distorted hence the cults and satanic beliefs. In a war, the people that gets cut up first are the lukewarm people. Those who dont know that there is a war. People like urself who dont understand the happenings of the world before they were born. For everyone born into a family must understand the workings of that particular family for it will be foolishness to assume the family started with the birth of urself. There is a history.

Read and understand the world you are born into . A FOOL SAYS IN HIS FOOLISH HEART THERE IS NO GOD. can the police come to your house and say you are not the owner of your household. That you kidnapped your wife and children? Wont you laugh them to scorn? God laughs at the foolishness of men who shake their hands at Him and says there is no God. . My last comment to you. I have no time for athestist as they are weak, foolish and unintelligent . I studied science in the university and have learnt that science is subject to God. For science explains the act of God without acknowledging Him . The laws of gravity, Newton's laws? principles? Who set these laws? Who initiated these principles?

DNA was discovered by Watson and Creek but does it mean there was no DNA since inception? There r millions of microbes in the human physiology yet these microbes were discovered when? Does it mean they were not there all along?

These world is full of spirits . Weather you see them ot not is ur business . Dont be foolish. Hide your head under God. The world is evil and will get worse

My last comment brother. Enjoy your life. . You and I are not in the same school of thought. You r meat for the devil in this world. Your end will be sad and destructive because you know not the God of Israel . You r a statistic in this world . And when your miserable life ends . Your knees will blow to the Yeshua. The Son of Man. . For no matter how hardened a criminal is, when he is sentenced to imprisonment or death, he is humbled and no matter how he resists the sentence, it must be carried out. This is in the operation of men, what about the operation of the spirits where you have no power . For when you sleep, your emotions and will are irrelevant as sleep over powers you and the dream of your head you cannot influence

LordReed:
This is called wuruwuru to the answer. First, you need to demonstrate that a god exists. Then you need to show there is only one of its kind, before you now detail how you know it is this specific Jewish and Christian claimant.

I really dont have time to explain nothing brother. I dont join issues with atheist. But lemme indulge you as I have some seconds.

Firstly do I need to prove to you God exists? If I ask your spouse or mother to prove to me you exists, what do you think dey will day? They will point to the things that you have done or do regularly. Eg they will say look his bed is laid, his car is parked outside, or see he withdrew from his account. Do you see a car parked outside your gate and say nobody parked it there? That the car evolved from a bicycle and the bicycle evolved from a log of tree?. The proofs of God are all around us if we r critical thinkers. Even the fathers of science acknowledged that science explains the process and how things works but never the origin . Can you sincerely look at the sun rising everyday and think it does it on it's own? Even in our lives, when there is law and order, dont we assume someone or an institution made it so?

Nature itself shows the existence of a God. The mountains, the solar system . Dont you think they is a great designer? Just like how you see a beautiful car or house and not assume there is a designer.

As regards if there is one God or multiple gods. That simple, how many presidents can be in a nation per time? How many MDs or CEOs in a organisation? Can we have two husbands/heads of the family in one nuclear family?. Life itself shows us that the evidences of duplicates or frauds shows us that there is always an original. Do you beleive that in Nigeria, few people have seen an original premiership jersey . For the fact that the fakes are awash doesn't mean there is no original .in fact so many fakes look like original.

If you can digest all these and think critically with logic as I didnt try to draw my proofs from theological beliefs but the simple things of life then i will proceed on why the only true God is the God of the Israelites as archaeology and historical events have shown but I expect you to sound like the typical atheist for which I have no patience for because I believe that the height of foolishness and stupidity is to say there is no God in light of the daily proofs.

LordReed:
We must love your god? How does that make sense?

Bros it's not my God but The God. If you look at the universe and indeed the world we live in we will acknowledge that a Supreme being is at work. There is only One True God. With all the religion and gods, there is only one true God. It's your responsibility to find Him .

There r no two presidents in a nation, there r no two CEOs in a company no matter the imposters and frauds. It's the same with God because all flesh shall be judged upon death.

The only True God is the same God of the Israelites who at a time where nations had multiple gods, they had one. It's the same God the sent Yeshua for the remission of sins. So now you know, Worshi0 Him not like these people who say there r Christians but r really the church of satan but you must find this God by yourself because He is not what these people tell us He is. We really do not have true christains as it was indeed, what we have in place of christianity is another religion.

LordReed:
So a loving god's attempt to get your attention is by involving you in a car crash? LMFAO! If it was a human being you'll get them sent for psychiatric evaluation but this delusion allows you to find this acceptable from you magic sky daddy. SMDH while LMFAO.

This man does not know God. These guys live their lives in complete rebellion to God then something like this happens and they calling God. His only lucky to be alive like we all r. His time has not come yet. Na flashing . We all living on borrowed time as the next second is not yours for keeps. We must love God because the days are evil and destruction is looking for who to waste.

Generalwoodz:
Nairaland sef Look at the Time the News is hiting the frontpage...

If its Tacha this, Mercy that and Snake threads na vom!! with speed of light it is already on Frontpage
This news broke out 14hours ago !! if you're looking for News as they break 'fashi' nairaland. The MODs nawa

Quick fact about her.

She is Nigerian First female to Study law upto Ph.D level.. of" Law of Intellectual property"

Good for her @ bolded. Hope all her achievements can save her now. At the end is all vanity and the only thing that matters is your relationship with Elohim. Because now all the achievements even to her will be like cow dung

When faced with life and death . Life doesn't matter again.

Wish you safe return back to your family. Atleast, to live so as to fight for life another day

CodeTemplar:
Haha ha.. J****J** so na you?
Mammoth ko, gigantically mamon ni... Elevated mumu.

Thank you. Insult me as you will. You will remember me later in your life.Your papa is deceiving you with long life abi. Most of your members die untimely and suddenly . Alot of them die from sickness deceiving themselves that God has healed them whenever you shamman prays for them and extorts them..

Worshippers of devils claiming worshippers of God. Lazy christain that wont study and know God but assumes Godliness is gain

Time will tell ..

Watch this post. That your criminal short theif will die a disgraceful death because he has brought confusion and desecrated the Holy place with his idols. He claims he is God ba? Just watch.

CodeTemplar:
Stop the multi layered ignorance and assumptions.

If only you will tell yourself the truth for these things I'm saying are not strange to you. But of course you love it when your papa tells you your breakthrough is around d corner. That God will open the windows of heaven. Miracle marriage, miracle contract, promotions . Carnal minded christains whose god is mammoth .

Continue, Yeshua will meet all of you building empires on earth in the name of the gospel.

Mark my words. God will fight for his own . It will begin in your temple of mammoth at canaanland.

Clowns on the pulpit.

CodeTemplar:
There is clearly a provision for material things towards prophets and to best of my knowledge, Oyedepo gets gift in billions of Naira easily. Even fellow men of God do give him seeds in hundreds of millions. And I mean men of God from outside Living Faith Church AKA Winners Chapel lntl.
I don't think that man has ever touched a kobo from offering or tithes. He once got a oil well as gift. That's serious o.

Stop equating every small road side church you know to bigger ones you don't know. That man is not after money again in his life.

You must have been so brainwashed that you cant see the light. All the gifts he gets is in whose name? What business is he doing again? Isnt he propagating the name of Christ? So everything he gets is either as an offering or tithe. You must be greatly deceived to say he doesnt touch the tithe or offering. So who does? Do you not discern that CU and all other franchises are from the offerings and tithes? Now he can afford not to touch it any more because he has other side businesses which originated from the givings of the commonwealth.(tithe, offerings)

So for you church is by size and number abi? Carnal baby christain. Your papa is blind leading the blind. Continue to count numbers while your church members are heading to hell chasing after wealth and are one of the most corrupt folks after redeem members. With all the churches in Nigeria where r we in holiness? If you want to find Yahoo boys come to winners, armed robbers nko, winners, your members are all scheming and scamming themselves to outshine themselves to share testimony of how God blessed them on the altar . For you are a worshipper of man not God. Your god is your belly .

Continue. You will stand alone when you die. Your Papa wont stand with you

CodeTemplar:
u need to stop talking what u know not. who told u tithes and offerings are part of what the church spends on road or schools? Your problem is too much bitterness mixed with assumptions.

No it's not tithes nor offerings. It's the money your papa saved after working countless years in the federal government.

Brain washed clown.

CodeTemplar:
Buhari has 10+ jets in presidential fleet, and there are more poor Nigerians than there are poor winners members. Go meet Buhari.

You this guy again. Pls how can you compare d president of a nation which has d legal right to tax the people for his luxury to a man like you and me, a fellow brethren who tax the people of Elohim for his personal gains and luxury, r our brains on vacation? Even God told the Israelites the manner of kings when they wanted one
He said the King will take your vines and your sons as servants. Cant we think? He robs his fellow brethren claiming to be special like Christ whereas we are all brethren even Christ calls us His brethren. He steals from the commonwealth of beleivers and donates a fraction to road construction, same roads that lead to his business that will make the sheaple drive smoothly to donate more money.

We r cursed in this nation. That's y things will get worse. Nigeria will be worse mark my word because God Is angry with this wicked and perverse nation.

Believers dont study scriptures to know d times and seasons but are lovers of wealth, material things which this false prophets propagate. You think the kingdom of Yeshua is in meat and drink? Cars and houses? Private jets and estates? Hmmm.

I will rejoice over the demise of this criminal on pulpit. This man that has taken the place of God in your life and lives of many. It will be sooner than we all think. Mark this words

Moode:
Can you imagine this one, I thank God for opening my eyes to identify the wolfs amongst to the sheep I hope He does for you too

Are you sure you have fully identified all of them . Some na infrared sheep clothing dem dey use ooo. Na only with special type spirit filled eyes dem dey use identify am

OkCornel2:
My main account was banned by the anti-spam bot.

Please look at the lifestyle and doctrine of the Essenes in my next post.

After that, we'll look at the striking similarities between Christianity and some other pagan beliefs.

Then I'll laugh even harder at logic behind using the theory of similarities to condemn the Essenes sect, but at the same time...turn a blind eye to that of Christianity.

If someone can condemn the Essenes on the grounds of similarity to non-Jewish beliefs...I wonder why that same person is hesitant to do same to Christianity.

I'm with you brother

OkCornel:
I’m laughing hard here. For someone to go as far as castigating the Essenes just to invalidate the book of Enoch which was included alongside other scriptures found in the Dead Sea scrolls is so funny.


Now I know that guy copies and pastes stuffs without reading and analysing the details.


Let’s look at the doctrines and lifestyle of the Essenes in the next post from Josephus’ records.

I didnt even bother reading the brothers post. For me iz like a student saying he knows calculux but cant execute BODMAS .

I know I will poke holes into every point highlighted but like I said, I'm not glorifying some book. YESHUA is King and as long as he believes that I'm good .

Everyone should do as they please because weather we read BOE or not it won't be important to please the Master

solite3:
Summary:

1. The only full text of the Book of Enoch comes from the Ethiopian text, which is dated from the 15th-century or later and shows errors, modifications and additions. The Aramaic text found in the Dead Sea Scrolls are not in full agreement with the Ethiopian text and the entire book of Parables is missing, which may indicate this section was a later edition made to the Ethiopian Book of Enoch.

2. People claim there are similarities between the Book of Enoch and certain scriptures in the Bible but often many of these so called similarities prove to be far from the same verbiage and message as the Bible.

3. The Epistle of Jude has a totally different message from the message found in the Book of Enoch, thus proving Jude did not directly quote from the Book of Enoch.

4. The Book of Enoch makes the outrageous claim that human women gave birth to 4,500-foot giants.

5. The Book of Enoch contradicts scripture by saying all sin in the world did not originate with Adam, but from a fallen angel named Azazel.

6. The Book of Enoch claims angels can cleanse the earth of all sin. This is counter to scripture and the message of the Gospel and makes the Book of Enoch heretical.

7. The Book of Enoch states that the human women who had sexual relations with fallen angels and gave birth to giants will also be transformed into mythical creatures known as “sirens,” which is Greek and Roman mythology.

8. The Book of Enoch states that in the last days the children of the holy elect will come down from heaven to be one with the children of men. This is another strange concept that disagrees with scripture.

9. Yeshua (Jesus) stated he was going to heaven to prepare a mansion for the righteous, but the Book of Enoch says sinners must be evicted from the heavenly mansions first.

10. The Bible says Yeshua (Jesus) shed his blood as the final sacrifice, but the Book of Enoch says God will still require a certain number of righteous to shed their blood as an offering required by God.

11. The Bible says those who are in hell will be cast into the lake of fire, but the Book of Enoch says that God will choose the righteous and holy from hell.

12. The Book of Enoch teaches that angels built the Ark, but the scriptures say Noah and his family built the Ark. As a sign of his obedience and faith to God, Noah took the instructions of God and completed the Ark. Angels are never mentioned as the builders of the Ark.

13. The Book of Enoch teaches Greek and Roman mythology, by claiming the Sun and Moon are beings that ride in chariots across the sky. Then the Book of Enoch adds further heresy, by stating this knowledge of the sun, moon,and the cosmos were given from heaven.

14. The Book of Enoch says that Noah’s father was fearful of Noah when he was born because Noah did not appear human and had eyes like laser beams that illuminated the entire house. In addition, the Book of Enoch says that Noah and his grandfather Methuselah were able to speak to Enoch from the edge of the earth and that Enoch appeared when summoned to shared secrets from heaven. Not only does this contradict scripture, but it's also occult teachings.

15. If this was truly God's word and his scripture, then he would have preserved it as he promised to do with his word, yet we don't see the Book of Enoch being preserved. For generations this book was hidden from God's people. "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)

16. All of these examples just scratch the surface. The Book of Enoch is filled with biblical contradictions and very strange accounts about the heavens, earth, humans, and angels. The Book of Enoch reflects a lot of pagan beliefs, which clearly shows it’s uninspired. This is why the Book of Enoch was rejected as scripture by both Christians and Jews, with the exception of Jewish and Christian sects in Ethiopia, or a handful of early church leaders. However, those who embrace the Book of Enoch cannot produce evidence to validate its inspiration, but there is ample internal and external evidence to prove the Book of Enoch is a dangerous false teachings.

What are the dangers of using the Book of Enoch?

The Apostle Paul said all scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for establishing doctrines (2 Timothy 3:16), but the Book of Enoch is contrary to scripture and proven to be uninspired. Therefore, we can never use the Book of Enoch for teaching or for doctrine. To the biblically ignorant, the book of Enoch might be appealing, but those who know the scripture will find the Book of Enoch full of idolatry, blasphemy, and heresy.

You can chose to ignore the instructions of the Apostle Paul, and continue to use “Jewish fables” (Titus 1:14) like the Book of Enoch as your proof text for teaching and doctrine, but this means the foundation of your doctrines and beliefs are ungodly, uninspired, and dangerous.

Therefore, our advice is that everyone should keep away from the Book of Enoch and instead of promoting it, believers should REFUTE IT!!!

REFUTEIT.COM

My man no one is making the book of Enoch a doctrine . Chill bro.

For the single fact you think the sons of God are descendants of Seth, .

I love that book and I will read it till I get to heaven .

I didnt read all your comments as I will poke holes in every single point raised if I do. But I'd rather not brother.

Please dont read this book if you cant handle it. I wont because of a book make my brother fall .

Me I love the book and wont stop reading it and will even introduce my kids to it

@okcornel this guy mean am ok. See as em flood the thread

MuttleyLaff:
Refer to 2 Timothy 4:3 and Jude 1:18 coming next below



"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear."
- 2 Timothy 4:3

"How they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
(i.e. whose purpose in life is to satisfy their ungodly desires)"
- Jude 1:18

Bodydialect57 and gobuchinny, I have this sneaky feeling youse havent at all back to back read the BoE. I say this because first, gobuchinny never gave a response to my questions about him to please give me honest replies to each and every one of my questions I asked him in my previous post.

Number 2, if truly youse two have read the BoE, then youse would have noticed the gaping holes in the BoE, as opposed of thinking it is filling blanks and/or gaps.

gobuchinny, you seem not to want to acknowledge the God Factor in 300 men defeating men as much as the sand in the seashore. The God Factor in the virgin give birth to a man. The God Factor in how a sea divides for people. The God Factor in how the earth got flooded and only 8 survived

The book of Enoch speaks about the gospel? So? Even demons, workers of evil and workers of iniquity speak about the Gospel too gobuchinny. So whats the big deal, saying the BoE, speaks about the Gospel, hmm?

gobuchinny, you said, you're asking me again that, do I think God cannot preserve His words, but you refused to reply to my question that, if the BoE, is truly that revered and a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if its just once, not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Others books, even the your beloved Book of Jasher, the original is mentioned, mentioned even at least twice, if I am correct, but high and mighty BoE is missing. BoE, seems to be an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with their lips, talkess let it be in a way that is visible to the eye, be seen written out in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment, that at the very least, BoE is an accursed book

I am glad for you that you know the truth about RCC. My grouse at the moment isnt with the RCC, so that congratsto you, is all I'll here be saying about the RCC aside again saying here that, if only more christians properly read their bibles there'd be less christians.

gobuchinny, I would rather we stick to this BoE matter at hand, instead to wandering off talking about Israel, the fakery going on with Ashkenazi Jews and whatnot

gobuchinny, you said:
"Please nwannem, let's discuss the Book of Enoch. Tell me one thing in that book that you have an issue with...
Let's discuss your issues with the book. Pls quote it let's discuss. Because if you cant find any thing that contradicts the bible, y do you have an issue?"

Well gobuchinny, guess what? I have countless times made comments about the ridiculousness of the BoE on this thread and elsewhere, but do you know what gobuchinny? You see up there, is a quote from solite3. solite3 has twice painstakingly provided an itemised listing of contradictions present in the Book of Enoch.

gobuchinny, be our guest, munch on away on those contradictions. You're spoiled for choice gobuchinny, which ones you want to first start sink your teeth into, lol. Happy days. lol.

Please jor, biko, my nwanne friend gobuchinny dont let the crew down, let's put this Book of Enoch to bed. At least make solite3 a happy person tonight before solite3 goes to bed too.

PS: I like that "see: Q: #289". Another strong meat that's too tough for some to gnaw their teeth on, lol.

Sorry I'm responding late. I have looked at all your submissions. Firstly I beleive Enoch spoke to his son after he had ascended. Methusaleh said that his dwelling was with the Angel's meaning he wasnt on earth. Enoch also said in the same conversation that he has read the heavenly tablets which shows he wasnt on earth. Y is this strange? Didnt Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus and speak to Him?.

Enoch spoke of rain when it hadn't rained. because it hadn't rain doesn't mean there was no rain . Or do you assume that rain was invented just because of the flood. Enoch saw in the spirits so he knew there was such a thing as rain.

An angel was in charge of repentance so replacing the role of Yeshua? That absurd. Angel's are ministering spirits and each has it's own role. How do you think the world is organized. It's like Angel's in charge of ensuring the sun passes its route or Angel's In charge of the souls of men. These r roles of several Angel's brother not in anyway taking the place of Christ. Iz like how a nation has different ministers to ensure progress. And everyone has their roles.

Bible says Noah built the ark, BOE says Angel's helped him build. How is that any different? Do you know that for everywar fought by Israel Angel's would have assisted? Weather it was mentioned or not we assume because Israel was fighting the battle of God. Sometime the bible even says God himself hurled stones. Elisah was surrounded on time and God opened the eyes of his servant to see the host present. If Gehazi never saw it does it mean Angel's were not available to help?

All these points you raised are non issues. I ask again. The devil never invests in what will not blaspheme Elohim. There is no blasphemy but only reinforcement of the gospel which is Yeshua. So if you accomplish the task of God, dont you know you obviously got some help from Angel's weather you saw them or not. Are they not ministering spirit sent to assist those that will inherit eternal life?

Unlike other books that point to another saviour no matter how much they acknowledge God or Yeshua, because the devil must point you away from God and His Son, the BOE points you to Yeshua.

About the temptation of eve, hope you know that Satan fell with alot Angel's. And any activity of these angels will be deemed as an activity of Satan. Besides, these book was translated into several languages and alotta details might have been lost but the idea is to get the general picture.

Why is it strange that a baby spoke at birth but not strange that a donkey spoke to his master . So this is not an issue atall brother.

Like I said. Everything you raised are non issues and only reinforces that the book is good to go. Please I'm not promoting any book as the bible is enough but for more understanding, the BOE fills in alotta gaps along side the BOJ.

You are wrong about it not quoted as Jude and Peter quoted verbatim from the book . Peter said Angel's that kept not their first estate . Please what other proofs do you need. Abi the estate ma for Omole phase 1 .

Please quote something else from it because I haven't seen anything yet from you that makes the book contradict the bible

OkCornel:
For those of you fruitlessly arguing that the sons of God in Genesis & Job are the male descendants of Seth;

Please have a look at Josephus Flavius' Antiquity of the Jews; I don't think Josephus Flavius needs introduction here as famous first century Jewish historian he was.

Flavius Josephus of the Antiquities of the Jews — Book I
Chapter 3 v 1;

1. Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations: but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their fore-fathers; and did neither pay those honours to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shewn for virtue, they now shewed by their actions a double degree of wickedness. Whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many Angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good; on account of the confidence they had in their own strength. For the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call Giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did: and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions, and their actions for the better. But seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married. So he departed out of that land.




Amazing how this historical account is also ignored.

This antiquities of the jews seem interesting from what I read. I will soon get to it.

MuttleyLaff:
You really think I havent read the BoE, erhn?

Nwanne, trust me. I have the three flavours of that nauseating BoE, the same way I have the Quran and many other books like that I wouldnt want to mention their titles here. I am a voracious eater, but it doesnt mean because of eating, I'll call a monkey or dog brother.

gobuchinny, please be honest at least if for this once with me on the BoE, erhn? Now gobuchinny are you trying to tell me, that there isnt anything written in the BoE that you've thought, hmm, thats odd, that doesnt add up, that is ludicrous, that is OTT, etcetera hmm?

gobuchinny, if the BoE, is truly that revered and a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if just once not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Others are, even the your beloved Book of Jasher, the original is mentioned, mentioned even at least twice, if I am correct, but high and mighty BoE is missing. BoE, seems to be an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with the lips, talkess let it be in a way that is visible to the eye be seen written out in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment that at the very least, its an accursed book

The demon that knew who Jesus was and even acknowledged Jesus, did it speak against Christianity, hmm? Did it not speak positively about Christ, hmm? Did it not confirm the scripture 100% about Jesus Christ, huh? Was the accursed demon not appropiately dealth with, erhn? If your replies are, yes, yes, yes and yes, then need I say more, then I rest my case.

Fyi, that the Book of Jasher now paraded about is not the original one mentioned in the Bible. The original BoS is lost, missing AWOL, the paraded one is a hoax. The other apocrypha clearly werent God inspired, just as the BoE isnt.

Do you honestly think that God cannot preserve His words brother. Do humans preserve their own words? If they r duplicates it proves to me that there is an original. There r several books of jasher and Enoch (maybe you read the wrong one? but one true one which is still in circulation . When you read it. It fills in the blanks in the bible neatly.

The truth is, there r several things that we read in the conventional bible that strikes as odd. How can 300 men defeat men as much as the sand in the seashore. How can a virgin give birth to a man. How can a sea divide for a people? Or how can the earth be flooded and only 8 survive? The book of Enoch speaks about the gospel. Infact you read it and r amazed at the similarities of doctrines. I ask again, do you think God cannot preserve His words? That man is stronger than God? The same word He honours more than His name?

Let me tell you, the catholic is an evil institution. See, the devil didnt know the plan of God for if he knew he wouldn't have killed Jesus 1 cor 2 vs 8. Enoch speaks about the death of Yeshua. The Catholics r a institution of the devil to hijack christianity. It's all prophesied. The abomination of desolation spoken of by Yeshua in Matt 25. Its similar to what happened in the maccabees where Antichous erected the statue of Zeus in the temple.

What the Catholics brought is pagan worship which the protestants continued. They would have hide all scriptures if they could but there was a tradition on written/verified scripture which could not be denied hence the bible as you c it. The Euthopians have always been in the mix with the jews. Check out ancient civilizations. Some euthopians jews (betajews) have naturally settled in Israel and Israel's gov acknowledges them as jews . Everyone knows Israel is the bearer of the true God. When it was customary to have multiple gods the jews came with One true God..There was a tradition of fallen angels. It was well known in ancient times. Please verify with ancient Jewish beliefs. The euthopian bible kept this truth.

The devil has been working hard. Please nwannem, let's discuss the book of enoch. Tell me one thing in that book that you have an issue with. I'm not here to promote the book as I beleive you dont need the book to find salvation in Christ. As all has been provided in the conventional bible. But that book is an inspired word of God.

Sometimes you will be reading it and fill your r reading from revelations, other times you will fill like it's from galatians, or ephesians or genesis.

Let's discuss your issues with the book. Pls quote it let's discuss. Because if you cant find any thing that contradicts the bible, y do you have an issue? Bear in mind the devil is no fool. He won't bring this 'accursed' book without blaspheming . It's his nature. To curse God cause he will eventually die. Like the quran is, for tho they acknowledge Yeshua, they still curse him. The devil wont inspire the book of Enoch without reaping his benefits. No. Do you invest in a business you want benefit from?

Please quote my friend let put this to bed

MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsYEiYUP_OI

I knew that underneath, you're flesh and blood, with sweet human kindness flowing in your veins. You're a good 'un. I knew all that your bravado nah front and wash, lol. You see, you and I sabi and understand each other gobuchinny, because people like you and I give as good as we get. If na to do rough play, we dey there, if na to do ajebo and gelato, we dey there, lol. Nwanne, did you hear anyone say anything about apologies, please tell the person not to be daft. Me, I get strong chin, but maybe I am like that dog in the above clip, my bark is loud and stronger so I dont bite, lol.

Nwanne, we dont have to agree on everything, this is even by a God design, look at your fingers are they equal in lenght, hmm? Of course not, but they only become equal and tip to tip only when they bend

Enoch and the likes are more of strong meat? Face palm, smh, pull the other leg. The Book of Enoch and the likes are serious risks to the health of a son of God/daughter of God, lol wink wink.

. You cant judge what you haven't read brother. Even in science, you test theories to race hypothesis then laws of science. you must test all spirits first. You should read it first as that's the only way to truly know.

That book does not in any way speak against Christianity. In fact it speaks about Christ. Any book that confirms scriptures 100% cannot be accursed. And I mean 100%. It foretells the birthing of the nation of Israel and the coming of the Messiah till the end of the world and everlasting judgement . But anyways. As long as you beleive in Yeshua that fine with me. But I recommend that book to anyone who is curious to understand mysteries as it explains alot. Just like the book of Jasher and other apocrypha.

Cheers

MuttleyLaff:
Whether you are talking spiritually or physically, it still is your father, who is the boy I blame who didn't see to it that you got the necessary home training and decorum you so badly lack. Now scram and dont ever in your life again cross path with me. Mtcheww

Hey muttey man. Sorry for calling you a boy. No need for all the bad blood. I have no issues with you bruv. We just dont agree on the glorious book of Enoch. Atleast you beleive in the conventional bible and that's fine with me. Enoch n d likes r more of strong meat. Reading it or not has nothing to do with a better relationship with Elohim. After all He is the reason for this discuss. My apologies once again.

MuttleyLaff:
Your father is the boy who should have given you the necessary home training you obviously lack.

Dont take it personal. You r a boy in spiritual matters. Like my son or daughter . How I explain God to them? Yes that how you r. Not in age bro so no need to be disturbing my father .

You might be 80 yrs for all I care but still a boy. Deal with it. Comment closed. Your foolishness is beginning to weary me.

OkCornel:
Gobuchinny, see more jokes from this clown

Job 38 v 7 happened after the flood, oh my goodness...wetin be this?

My man forget that boy. I wont even respond to him again. . The guy na confirm clown.

So much proofs yet no wisdom. So sons of God that God spoke about in Job 38 were who then? Sons of Seth also? A narrative God was giving to Job about happenings before the formation of man or any living thing on earth. GOD was discussing with Job the creation of the earth. How the foundations were laid and how the sons of God rejoiced at such magnificent creation but here we have muttey clown darkening counsel

MuttleyLaff:
I am old enough to be your father, yeah thats your old man who born you, are you satisfied now, hmm? Idiota

I used to google to help you see the stupidity and rass disregard to what the meaning of myths and legends are.

It is a myth to believe that angels impregnated human beings and made wives of them, but your thick and muddled up head doesnt seem capable of understanding anything of that sort.

All you are doing is making conjectures about a Paul fear of angels lusting after female human beings. How you pulled this out of your smelly dark rear end and made this stupid connection is beggars belief

I really didnt wanna respond but cant help your ignorance. Pls Google Jewish mythology to clear your ignorance . You only googled myth because you wanted to discredit my sound discuss but everytime you foolishness is made manifest .

If you dont beleive the Angel's impregnating man then how do u beleive a virgin giving birth . How do you beleive in 6 days creation . Can you even create your foolishness in 6 days? Talkless of the whole world . How do you beleive that there r angels and that some fell before man was ever created.

My friend you cannot separate what you beleive from what you dont beleive. Dont pick which is a myth or not. That means christianity is a myth because its steeped in the miraculous which man can never understand .

Study bro and understand. Dont be careless. Alot happened before you or your village existed . Its hidden in books..oooops. That y muttey cant know it

MuttleyLaff:
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Smh, you have just made it clearer with this your another instalment of worthless, untrue, confused disjointed, absurd and nonsensical talk that you are very dishonest and ignoranus person

gobuchinny, what a ridiculous and funny joke you are. Please stop pretending to know the meaning of myth and/or legend when it is openly obvious that you dont know what their meanings are, smh. This time waster, time stealer and time killer is a kofam total distraction.

You are beyond redemption bro . What kind of a child is this lol. How old are you .

Didnt you see you own post. Concerning gods? Are we talking about gods or the God. Yahweh..the King of glory. The Lord of Spirits. Are we talking about superheroes like superman or spiderman? Ain't we talking of Angel's that excel in strength? Who are ministering Angel's? You clearly dont know what and who you worship .

All these church goer that never study to know this great Yahweh. You think God looks like man? If you behold the glory of God I'm sure it will be a myth to you. Clown.

Any intelligent human reading both our posts can clearly see that you just pick words in isolation so Paul that saw the 3rd heaven isnt it a myth or legend . Isaiah that saw the throne of God isn't it a myth to the gentiles .

Ajuwaya my son. As you were. I need to discuss with intelligent beings. You clearly are lacking in understanding. Please I'm not insulting you bro. Just my honest observation. Paul that said women sud cover their hairs cause of Angel's didnt know what he was saying? You can never explain these scripture brother.

I have tried to educate you but you r stiffnecked... if you can use google to find out defination of myth y didnt ypu google ancient Jewish beliefs in origins of demons and fallen angels .

My hand no dey again for your ignorance ooo. I don wash hand comot. Your blood, your life

@okcornel in done with this clown oo.

MuttleyLaff:
What a total load of codswallop, I just wasted my time to read up. You must be high on dry moin-moin leaves to think that circumcision is a Jewish myth or legend. Is it possible to unread the obfuscated garble and claim back my time used reading the senseless write up?

You clearly dont read to understand . I explained y its JEWISH myth and not gentile myth. So apostate jews started deceiving early christains with stories of either their genealogy or stories that they cook up to ensure the gentiles are ensnared to them. Or how they were related to King David by Blood or to Yeshua by blood. This was very common in their days. The circumcision part is just one of the ways they tried to control the gentile christains. Do I have to break things down everytime to you like I'm talking to a 4 yrs old . Cant you read btw d lined

Another one was the common myth that the resurrection had already occurred or that the gentiles could not attain salvation without works of the law. How is it that you dont know this things dear mutteylaff. This discussions are slowing me down cause you r so ignorant of history. Please read more let's have a balanced discuss

MuttleyLaff:
Speak for yourself and be more concerned about yourself than you ought for me

Here we go again, gobuchinny, please state where and when Paul understood the alleged sins of the Angels. Thank you in advance, smh.

"¹³That statement is true. For this reason, sharply correct believers so that they continue to have faith that is alive and well.
¹⁴They shouldn't pay attention to Jewish myths or commands given by people who are always rejecting the truth.
(i.e. no longer hold on to Jewish legends or don't pay any attention to any of those senseless Jewish stories and to human commandments)"
- Titus 1:13-14

"Do not waste time arguing over godless ideas and old wives’ tales. Instead, train yourself to be godly.
(i.e. Don't have anything to do with worthless, senseless stories. Work hard to be truly religious)"
- 1 Timothy 4:7

Do you know what advices Paul gave his protégé, Timothy, hmm gobuchinny?

No gobuchinny, I didnt know all that dear gobuchinny. Thank you very much for this invaluable dear information. I am going to quickly frame it up and place at the foot of my bed, so that every morning I wake up, it'll be the first thing my eyes sets upon

I see you actually dont know jack-shit about me, because if you did, you would have known I dont personally do arguments. I demolish arguments with incontrovertible facts.

You obviously just pick scripture out of isolation . The Jewish fables cannot fly because we are not jews . Let me educate you. During this period, The Jewish Christian's had a tendency to beleive that they r more important than gentile Christian's because truly salvation was from the jews. And Christ was a Son from Judah . Remember the issue on circumcision? And how the book of galatians was written to address this issues? How certain jews wanted the gentiles to obey the law. That my friend was part of the issue of that letter to Timothy.

What we r doing here is simply studying history which is what scripture is. Or dont you know the bible you read is historical events muttey . So these r not Jewish myths sir but actual verifiable facts like I said, if only you apply yourself to understand facts and truths.

That you dont know the beliefs of history is an issue to your own belief because if you think beliefs started in your lifetime and so whatever you see in your generation or lifetime is what has been obtaining since creation then you r greatly deceived

It like believing that America existed during Yeshua's time . There was an ancient civilization. Study to understand the world you live in as it existed long before you were born and will still exist long after you n me if Yeshua tarries

The funny thing is as Paul said. Things around us explains the spiritual things. If there were world conflicts and histories that shaped our world dont you think they might be spiritual conflicts that shaped the world also?

MuttleyLaff:
gobuchinny why dont you stand up to me with this matter of who are the sons of God and let me have the opportunity of taking you to the cleaners, erhn?

Remember the full comment was:
"[i]As a matter of fact CaveAdullam, the sons of God, spoken of in Job 1:6, Job 2:1 and Job 38:7, plus even Genesis 6:2 and 6:4, lol, are male descendants from the lineage of Seth, originated from Adam, the first acknowledged and kofam, son

Please dont forget that and dont get my comment twisted with your half-truths of what my comment was

gobuchinny, I've already answered you above, so there is no need to repeat the same question again here. Also, it wasnt anything about the physical appearance of man and any ulterior effects with angels, as you seem to suggest

Jude nor Peter never verbatim quote the Book of Enoch. You are telling porkies and you know it.

No where in the Bible is the Book of Enoch ever written or spelled out in black an white. It is that much a pariah, it is nowhere, unlike other inspired books, in plain sight ever mentioned in the entirety of the Bible

Im concerned for you bro. You really need to read wide. Ypu guys just make comments without indepth study. Dont be lazy and study mehn.

Even Paul understood the sins of the Angel's. Hence that scripture that you cannot explain. This was common knowledge in the early church. Like it was during the time of Noah. Even the dark side knows it's TRUE. Hollywood knows this but muttey doesnt .

Do you know that the early Israelites believed in those Angel's that birthed giants whose souls are demons? Early apostolic father believed this also. I'm telling you facts that if you were an ardent reader, you would know this things. Its history and history cannot lie.

It's like an atheist in this day and age denying the existence of the man Jesus . That is foolishness because even Jewisth historians and records prove that Jesus lived and walked the earth. If his saying he doesnt beleive Yeshua is Christ then we know where his problem lies but not that He doesnt exist .infact there r records of his burial and that he wasn't buried like a criminal but as infact a noble. Did you know all this dear muttey.

So we dont really have an argument here unless we r dealing with facts not what you think of a book but what the beliefs handed down through the custodians of religion and the Only God (Israeleites)

OkCornel:
Hahahaha, another wild claim from Muttley. Muttley was a live witness when Peter and Jude were writing their letters to conclude the writings of Enoch was fiction

Chai, who do Muttley this kain thing?

Iz alarming how with clear cut proofs, people still come up with wild explanations to justify their beliefs. Just negodu explanation on y Peter and Jude quoted Enoch. Like Peter them consulted Mutty before they wrote the books .

I love it when we discuss with facts and referrals.The fact that two other NT books quoted the book of Enoch VERBATIM . Is enough proof of its authenticity.

OkCornel:
PLEASE CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN WHY THE BOOK OF ENOCH WAS FOUND ALONGSIDE OTHER NEW TESTAMENT BOOKS IN THE ANCIENT DEAD SEA SCROLLS? Hmmm?

I've been saying it that mutty no sabi history . The guy just like dey speak plenty English. Intelligent guy though but his not intelligent in spirituality. Dey use carnal eyes dey look the things of God.

The one that got me is that the sons of God r d descendants of Seth .

Funny guy

MuttleyLaff:

Please can u explain 1 cor 11 vs 10. Y would Paul be so concerned about the physical appearance of man and the effects with the Angels. I'm curious to know you wild thoughts

OkCornel:
Nice... so the standard of the Evangelical Protestants suddenly becomes the standard for the books that were inspired by the Spirit of God?;

The first version of King James Bible (1611 version) had more than 66 books, the extra books were not inspired?

What of the Ethiopian Bible which is one of the oldest bibles around with over 80 books, are the extra books in there not also inspired?

1 As for the authenticity of the book of Enoch for example, it was found as part of the books in the dead sea scrolls alongside other ancient manuscripts that formed some of the books of the new testament we have today. Any objections to that?

2 The books of Peter and Jude made reference to the writings of Enoch, any objections to that?

I wonder if mutteylaff has read 1 cor 11 vs 10 . Y would Paul tell women to cover their hairs because of Angels . Oya Mutteylaff over to you oo.

Mutteylaff my man. Whatever makes you sleep at night. From your responses you r clearly confused . To say peters writings were trying to warn people from believing that blessed book of Enoch.

If you knew some history, you would know that the early church read those Dead Sea scrolls.

What books do you think Abraham, and the patriarchs read? Dont you know you get to know about God through books? Even Jesus read books tho He was Christ..even the bible say Enoch walked with God. Do you think he will work with God and not have books? If you know God then you know that everyone that knows him writes . Because your God loves to write Himself. He wrote the 10 commandments by Himself ..so you think scripture as we know it started with the corrupt Catholics bringing 2gether different books to call it the bible? Scriptires have existed before the bible as we know it..Do you not know that God has been an author since creation? Allowing men to write down traditions and pass down to their children? Even one of d gospels said that the world wont contain the books if the story of Christ is to be written.

You r naive imagine saying the sons of God in job r d descendants of Seth

I wont respond to you on this matter bro. It's a waste of my time and yours. Hopefully we can agree on other things. I WILL FOREVER BE READKNG THIS GREAT BOOK THAT THE DEVIL TRIED TO ROB CHRISTIANITY OF. THE SAME BOOK THAT WAS QUOTED TWICE . Twice mutteylaff in the newtestament and you r here explaining nonsense on y Jude and Peter quoted it as a warning to others not to beleive in the book. Tell yourself the truth, does that explanation make sense to even you?

You win bro. But let me first go and read that chapter on semyaza

Mutteylaff finds it difficult to believe in the origins of Spirits and celestial beings . That the God He worships is Spirit and presides over Spirits. He cant beleive that angel like humans have a choice to obey or rebel against Elohim. That the first stars rebelled and were thrown down to earth and the second stars were ensnared by lust for women . That giants were born and the spirits of these giants are demons . Archaeology has proven that giants existed. I heard him ask one time how d Angel's consummated with man . Funny. Even now humans can change sex from Male to female so how is it difficult for celestial beings to do same?

That the Sun, moon, stars are a link/bridge between the realm of the Spirit and physical. Or how else do you think the sun suspends and doesn't drop on earth? How do you assume that the sun can power the whole earth and knows when to rise and set? Everyday, and on time . That my friend is not ordinary. So it is weird that Enoch talks about the Spirits of the stars and how they have a mind of their own? And how he saw the dwellings of these celestial beings?.

So man can preserve his words in books how do you assume the God of the whole world cant do same?

I saw you say the book of enoch is accursed. Paul said any one that preaches another gospel should be accursed. That book preaches Christ . It was read by the early church and hidden amongst the dead sea scrolls.The evil roman Catholics would have done worse if they had a chance. They would have put their own authored books if given the opportunity But remember the foolishness of God is wiser than men and God uses men to accomplish His will. Hence we have the bible as we know it but there r other books that were equally inspired and were quoted in the bible. Books are not deemed scripture by men but by God . You have not answered @okcornel question about Jude referencing Enoch. You really cant answer it cause it's as clear as day that these men read the book hence the referral.

if the book does not make you comfy den dont read it. I can however say that a true son of God desirous for more understanding of God will enjoy that book.