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OkCornel:
Gobuchinny, see someone speaking from both sides of the mouth. According to him, God didn't cast any angel into hell, but at the same time...all of the "66 books" including 2 Peter 2 and Jude were inspired by God...

Lemme keep on watching more comedy unfold here...

The guy is not a christain . Someone that thinks his better than Peter . A gentile like you and me that were lost and going astray that were drafted in suddenly wants to become an authority in christianity. Salavtion that you had to learn about. That was not local to us na em baba want turn authority even to the point to rewriting the bible

I laugh at these guys who beleive they know better than the apostles that laid the foundations. Alot of these beleifs emanates from carnal mindedness. Because they beleive the lies and books of their pastors which breeds carnality. They believe the books their pastors in gold write and are happy reading it but the BOe that is filled with spiritually food they cant discern . Dame book that points you to God and His son and tells you to remove yourself from carnality and vanity. Same thing God has been saying through out all generations.

Baby christain everywhere whose mind cant eat the meat of the gospel but are hooked on milk and crumbs. Same folk that beleive sons of God are children of Oduduwa and beleive fornication is not sin.

Instead of being humble and learn, the truth is strange to them. They r reprobate that think they can change the laws of God. Just imagine where someone is saying Peter and Jude dont know what they were saying quoting the beliefs of a book he claims to have read but cant comprehend .

How else do I show I beleive in a matter than to quote either beliefs from that book or verbatim like Jude.

His talking about Paul quoting greek writers. Not knowing that any fool can quote moral laws. You dont have to be a christain to agree with an atheist that says racism is bad . If I agree with the atheist does it mean I'm an atheist? But if I quote the traditional beliefs not moral beleifs then it proves I agree with the atheist that there is no God. America is not Gods own country, let's not deceive ourselves yet they have laws that acknowledge the human being and makes live easy for their citizens. Does it now mean they r governed by God. Morals laws have been in existence since creation even Hammurabi had laws before Israel, does it mean God copied them? Hammurabi that was a pagan wicked King from babylon

Peter didnt quote moral beleifs of the BOE but quoted traditional beliefs about Angel's sinning and being held in a hell till judgement . How is it that people cannot see that? It baffles me how peoples minds have been blinded to apostasy and being reprobates and enemies of God. For they claim to be smart but are really dull of understanding.

@okcornel my brother. I no get strength for this discuss oo. Me I want someone that is not blind to facts and can discuss intelligently. Besides I have always stated my stand. If you no like the BOE, abeg leave am for us. I'm not advocating for anyone to read the book as it's not scripture as we have it. The 66 books are enough and will lead anyone who truly reads it to eternal life which is the aim of all these books

MuttleyLaff:
Each one of the 66 books, making up the Bible, are given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes, not and never the accursed BoE.

GOD is not asking yours or my opinion about His word, because God wants us to face are facts, deal with genuineness, goodness and truthfulness

gobuchinny, we learn something new about God everyday

Dont just say that God has said something. Show it now, show where in the bible, God or any other person for that matter, mentioned that the BoE is scripture

That is their destiny gobuchinny.

I pity the generation of indomie and banana island christians too, so makes at least two of us that pity them

Smh, gobuchinny, remember, I previously typed that, I quote from the Quran, but it doesnt mean I quote from the Quran because I believe or know it is a God breath book inspired work of God. I also added that, similar applies to Peter and Jude, they quoted from the accursed BoE, not to endorse it but making a point with the references to the text in it they used.

Now let me clear more and properly. Apostle Paul wrote more than half of the 27 books, epistles and letters that make up the New Testament. Guess what gobuchinny. Apostle Paul quoted pagan unbelievers philosophers in those at least 13 books, epistles and letters written by him. Yes, he quoted Seneca, Epimenides, Menander, Plato, Socrates, Aristole and Aratus

Just as with Peter and Jude quoting the BoE, not for the purpose of endorsing it but used for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes against the false teachers, so Apostle Paul too wasnt supporting any of the pagan unbelievers philosophers he quoted from, but instead was using their material he quoted from in his work of defending and spreading the gospel.

I can give you a long list, but because of time, will limit it to just two short examples. Apostle Paul, in Acts 17:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:33 quotes from two pagan unbeliever philosophers writers, Aratus and Menander. That Acts 17:28b, where Apostle Paul says, "As some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also his offspring'", actually had the line taken from the Phaenomena of Aratus and of course Aratus is the name of the pagan unbeliever poet he did not mention, lol.

The 1 Corinthians 15:33 "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners" was lifted and copied by Apostle Paul from Thais, a work done by pagan unbeliever writer called Menander, who supposedly had earlier quoted from another person called Euripides, a pagan unbeliever scholar, lol.

Why dont you just show where in the 66 books of the bible, he books of Enoch is mentioned. It's either you put up or shut up.

"The wicked have told me fables: but not as thy law."
- Psalm 119:85

No sire, get away from me shaitan!. We are warned not to give heed to Jewish fables, to pay no attention to Jewish myths and have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales. Praise God. Alleluia.

You're more confused than a fart let loose on the production line floor of fan making factory. Only God can help you

You're making whistling noises and to make it worse, doing it in the wind.

Do you know what a boomerang is, huh?. If you do, then watch yourself, and choose your words, choose them carefully whenever and wherever it involves MuttleyLaff because boomerangs recoils on the originator.

I am this much close to about resigning myself to the fact you're a lost cause where this matter of the BoE is concerned

Your case is pathetic sir . See you quoting confusion upon urself. So a man quotes or references a book doesnt give you enuff sense that he believes in the book. PAUL was addressing the athenians and trying to merge their pagan beleifs to the only true God. He said some of of their poets and worship have been to an unknown God now his here to declare the God. That before God overlooked but that now He wants to reconcile the whole world. Was has that got to do with quoting from their book? Arastus was a pagan beleiver, enoch was a jew. Abi dont you know he was? . He quoted menander in moral talk not in historical events bro. Pls stop twisting the gospel. Hope you know that the Jews were not the only nation with a law. Have you heard of hammurabi? His laws are older than the Jewish laws and you will find similar laws esp on marriage, crime and punishment etc. Does it mean God copied King Hammurabi? "Evil communication corrupts good manners" no be true. Does Apostle Paul have to say that to know it's TRUE? It's like saying Arisyotle said does who cannot work should not eat and if Yeshua says the same thing does it mean that he endorsed or copied from Aristotle? But and if Yeshua states from their greek mythology of how Zeus married Aros then that can be said to be an endorsement of their pagan beliefs.

It's very different from endorsing a belief system like what Jude and Peter did in talking about the Angel's punished. Oga answer me. Was Peter drunk when he spoke about Angel's getting punished? Or was he hallucinating? Who were the Angel's? Who tied them up till judgement? If Paul had quoted the gentiles pagan beleifs system in their God Zeus or picked a historical event of greek mythology of how cronus or Uranus were born them we would say he endorsed the greek myths.

Ave tried severally to inform you but you r stiff necked my friend. You r too smart for yourself. Smarter than God .

You have become a judge of the law and not a doer. Continue brotherly. When we all meet the true judge then we would all weigh our actions and thoughts. I beleive it's the same you dat said something about fornication rite? .

I choose the words of God over your words bro. No offence. Those scriptures of Jude and Peter clearly quotes from the what the BOE spoke about what else do you need?

Even Paul spoke of gentiles been grafted into the olive branch as we r not of the natural branch in Roman's and you r here saying Jewish fabbles. Even Yeshua said salvation is of the jews abi is Yeshua from your village? Be humble and learn. Stop being wise. You cannot know more than the person/people that laid the foundation . There r d ones that will tell you the type of structure to put up else the building no matter how high or fine will collapse.

Learn and dont add or remove from scripture bro. Let's forget about the BOE since that a stumbling block to your understanding of scrpiture but atleast comprehend that Jude and Peter beleived that some Angel's left their first estate, some angels sinned, some angels were mubished and reserved till judgement. If you cannot see that then you are clearly apostate and lost and a judge of the law. Maybe you should then write your own bible.

My last comment on this with you. I dont dispute these things with men who clearly lack spiritual understanding but always trying to be smart. Using carnal understanding for spiritual discuss. Like I said if no be you I no go talk. If you like read BOE if you no like leave am. It's not the gospel as the bible is snuff. But for matured sons, it's a gold mine

MuttleyLaff:
Nwanne, kedu, long time until recent, how bodi nau?

It is providence, it is good that you yielded to God's will and responded

My balls were given me by God, and I forever thank Him for them. Nwanne please show where , if not from the BoE, that God at anytime cast any Angel's in hell. Asides 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 which other bible advanced the idea that God at anytime cast any Angel's in hell.

gobuchinny, I quote from the Quran, but it doesnt mean I quote from the Quran because I believe or know it is a God breath book inspired work of God. Similar applies to Peter and Jude, they quoted from the accursed BoE, not to endorse it but making a point with the references to the text in it they used

gobuchinny, God appointed only certain number of men to be writers. As a matter of fact, 40 men wrote the entire God's Word, that is the 66 books, making up the Bible. It will interest you to know gobuchinny, that Enoch was not one, among any of the 40 men writers inspired by God to write. Enoch, just never put pen to paper talkless write anything called the book of Enoch

What exactly and contextually was the book of 2nd Peter tackling and talking about now gobuchinny, hmm? You go school now, you sabi read, you at least are literate enough to be able to point out the true intentions of the two authors, Peter andJude, and analyze the whole context of their letters, the parallels or similarities

"I also tell you that you are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
(i.e. meaning upon this Rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it."
- Matthew 16:18

gobuchinny, do not let the BoE get you in a reading slump, lol. Matthew 16:18 above and this is all, I'll for now, will say to your comment here, lol.

"Agbẹdọ" loosely translated means, God forbid bad thing

gobuchinny, MuttleyLaff will rather stay true in the darkness of the book of Enoch and be humble in the spotlight of revealing what an accursed book the BoE is

The book of Enoch is a case of res ipsa loquitur, meaning the thing, the evidence speaks for itself, lol. Look at the slanders in the book now, the contrary to reason and/or common sense, the utterly absurd, ridiculous and impossicants in the BoE.

C'mon now gobuchinny, dont be in denial. Dont deny any of these which are very obvious to see now. Living in denial, only makes accepting the truth about the accursed BoE that much harder.

You and I are in no position to debate NT scripture. we are not jews but stinking gentiles that were grafted into the olive tree Roman's 11. WE are all gentiles and the testament was not ordained by us but handed over to us by the apostles. People dont understand that as God used Moses to hand over the law He used the apostles to hand over the law . Could you have said the law was not of God if you were born in Israel during the old testament era?The apostles were jews and of the stock af Abraham who had the real religion. . If you and I were born during the Roman or grecian period or other empires we would be classified as gentiles. Not capable of being priests of God or even knowing God. Condemned to God's wrath . The NT teaching is a doctrine my friend. GOD is not asking your option about it. Its already been handed down. In fact do you know we are to remind ourselves of the doctrine. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is nothing new under the sun so there is no new revelation or doctrine. ALL has been revealed and the book written, sealed and binded for these last days of wrath .

The apostles letters were scriptures . Reading your post I shake my head because your post reeks of rebellion . Were God has said something and you want to redefine it. You twist scriptures or claiming scripture is not scripture like as if you were there or consulted when it was written. These are men that Yeshua chose to champion the NT covenant, men that hazard their lives for the gospel. I. These generation of indomie and banana island christians. . Bros me I no get strength but any discerning beleiver sees from your post your arrogance in belittling the order God has kept in place. If you cannot take ALL the NT letters as scripture then I dont think you are a Christian bro . ALL scripture is inspired by God. GOD speaks through men and im sure as these men wrote they knew it was scripture.

You must understand that the ancient jews believed in the Angel's as all their literacy and beliefs reeks of it. The ancient jews had the books of Enoch, books of Jashers and other books. If you read other Jewish sources you will see writings about the beleifs systems. Sir dont you know that you shouldn't be asking what is believed now by the jews but what they beleive then because after all they r the custodians of the true religion which we all key into now. Even Yeshua said salvation is of the Jews.

Didnt the bible say in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall.......For scripture to be scripture y should it be written to us more than once . For me if 2 different NT scripture talks about something, that's enough proof abi how many times did they write that God created Lucifer or that Daniel dwelt in Babylon?

The problem we have in christianity now is men disrespecting the order and wanting to establish their own order. They leave and abandon the foundation laid by the apostles and want to build another. Christians are not humble to carry on the doctrine whereas Paul told Timothy to pass on what he has learnt to the elders . It's not your own christianity, its God and He has communicated the doctrine to the apostles whose names are found as the foundations of heaven in Revelations abi is it me and your name or pastors names that are the foundations of heaven?

Bro be careful as I preserve you are in the valley of total rebellion and blasphemy with God .

Even if you r smarter, stronger, wiser than all humans, you are not smarter........than God. HE HONOURS HIS WORD MORE THAN HIS NAME. THE QUESTION IS, WHICH WORD?

MuttleyLaff:
My friend, God did not at anytime yet cast any angel anywhere down to any hell, and/or hasnt delivered anyone into any chains of darkness, to be reserved into judgement. This is a traditional story popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated by any other bible verse except for 2 Peter 2:4 or Jude 1:6 and these two 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 verses were lifted from the BoE, which , the BoE is never attributed to be scripture because it is an uninspired, not God breath accursed book.

It is the BoE and Jewish fables that popularised the concept of angels being sons of God, having sexual intercourse with female human beings, impregnating and marrying them. This is just lies, slander and a terrible figment of imagination

The bible, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, never, says the sons of God are angels. It does however points the sons of God to be human beings. The BoE doesnt do or say human beings are sons of God because it is a book full of old wives' tales and beliefs that are incorrect.

Oh oh, someone's woke, lol

Praise God. Alleluia. lol

Thank you Abba.

My friend,

I would not have responded but I remember we have our gentle man talk all this while. For you to say God did not at anytime cast any Angel's in hell is to contradict the spoken word of God. I just say you have some balls to stand against HIS WORD. Remember that the bible says that God honors His word more than His name. God is a writer Himslef as everything is written down and He has scrolls Himself. Everytime He visits a man He tells Him to write. Presently if you claim to serve God and dont have a notepad, I question your service.

5hat been said, human think there are smarter than God. Imagine you contradicting the bible directly. Saying that God did not when he clearly did. The book of 2nd Peter clearly states so abi is Peter apostate also??. See, even the poeple that canonized the 65 books would have left off the books and added their own accursed catholic books but for the fact that God preserves His word. Or you think the canon was in the favour of Chriatians? Dont you know the history of the Church and the incursion of Satan to truncate Christianity which is a wind fall of what you now see in the society because truly the christain doctrine has been infiltrated by demons.

Dont be proud my friend. God has been in charge of the earth. Nothing escapes Him. If the sun can shine everyday then He knows how to preserve His own words. The Boe is authentic. It points you to the One true God and His son Yeshua. It points you to eternal life not carnality like the books your pastor authors which you love.

DONT PLAY GOD MY MAN. BE HUMBLE AND LEARN. YOU ARE BUT A MAN THAT WILL PASS AWAY AND THE WORD REMAINS. THERE HAVE BEEN SCRIBES OF THE LORD SINCE CREATION. THE JEWS WERE A MODEL OF THE LOVERS OF GOD SINCE CREATION. IT DOSNT START WITH THE PRESENT JEWS BUT IT STARTED WITH CREATION. THE FIRST LANGUAGE WAS HEBREW NOT MINE/YOUR VILLAGE LANGUAGE


Peace

OkCornel:
I would still like to see where God, or Jesus or the Apostles limited the words of God to a set of books.

I'm still baffled as to why people think the God of all flesh who has been in existence since forever can suddenly have His words limited to a collection of books. Perhaps that is man creating God in their own image...rather than the other way round.

My friend 2peter 2 vs 4 2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved into judgement.

I wonder what these guys who say sons of God r sons of oduduwa think of this. Angel's that SINNED. And delivered them and cast them into hell and chains of darkness. The same thing BOE says.

So my question. What sin did d Angels commit and which Angels??. Because if u say Lucifer, well lucifer ain't in hell and ain't chained becuz d devil WALKETH to and fro hell...NO!!!. to and fro the earth. .

You guys should circumcise ur hearts. You cannot explain God entirely and Yes, you are not smarter than Elohim

If humans can preserve carnal useless knowledge that perish with the reading. How much more the Words of eternal life

NeutralNigerian:
Its very clear in the scriptures, Suffer not a witch to live, If you allow the devil to use you,you have yo die, I don't have powers to cast the devil out of you, but I have the power to cast you out of the devil.

Rubbish post. R y sure you r a christ follower or you practice Judaism? Which doctrine r y following? Christ or your village high priest?

Slawormir:
Damnnnnn

Those shit don't work on real niggarrrz

And real niggarrrz don't believe in those shit

I'm almost certain that you r already hooked in the nose by what you claim not beleive .

There r spirits and the world is very wicked my friend. The earlier you realise that the better.

Cover your head in Yeshua. Dont be lukewarm not believing in anything. It's too dangerous to walk barefoot in this world full of rocks and stones.

Give your life to Yeshua and be protected from this present evil

emsco:
Twitter and cooked up stories. Why can't they use the jazz to get top men like Adenuga, Otedola, Dangote and the rest?

You think does men you mentioned walk carelessly? People underestimate the power of the spiritual. Those men you mentioned have higher powers that those girls powers r learners .

Beleive me bro, the spiritual is realer than the physical. We r to careless in this generation. You r either hot or cold but dont be lukewarm. In a war, those caught up in the middle are usually the first casualties.

Be wise and give your life to Yeshua and be a very good good guy or be a very good bad guy not a very careless good guy or a very careless bad guy.

The world is full of wicked spirits

bereanway:
I will start with this, and then you can reason with me. The Bible says we should pray for our enemies; but the question comes, what kind of enemies should we pray for? are they just normal enemies that hate us or those that persecute us or satanic enemies? What prayer should you pray for your unrepentant village head witch that has killed over hundred people and is still a witch or an occultic ritualist using young pupils for money? should it be prayers of blessings?

Someone said "nobody will kill him and repent". Let me ask you! If someone has killed six of your relatives, and does not want to repent, and of which you know that about five of them died as sinners, should you pamper that enemy? Forgive. But what if the enemy is unrepentant and continues killing people?. should we pamper enemies that increase the population of hell fire? should we pamper enemies that do not want to repent until they have killed 200 people?

Does this make sense? giving a hardened and unrepentant enemy that is killing people the time lag to repent, and if he or she does not repent from killing, he or she should die.

Note: If an enemy kills you and repents, he will be forgiven. But if you die unprepared, you go to hell fire.

Please ask God how to pray for your enemies, and what type of prayer for various types of enemies

God does not pardon innocent people who died as sinners and who were killed by enemies..


Preach to those heartless enemies, but if they do not repent from strong wickedness, they can meet Satan their father by the judgement of the police/military..

This is a very unbiblical post. You guys fail to realise that we are in the new testament era. "We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against."......"for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal.......". Yeshua says pray for your enemy. Abeg wetin enemy mean again? Which one is different types of enemy. He said pray for those that persecute you...even Stephen before they killed him prayed for his killers, Yeshua did same and it was common practice for the early martyrs. Paul says do good to your enemies that it's like heaping coal on them. Any other doctrine is demonic and unscriptural which is what this post is

The issue is Christian's now are to carnal and are like salt that has lost its savor. If truly you r a lover of God you wont be having village people chasing you. God will take care of those things if you r on fire for God. Can you imagine a village head killing Yeshua or Paul or Peter? Iz becos we are lukewarm and dont love God hence all this useless fall down and die prayers.

Lovers of God dont pray for people to die but God has the discretion on when to kill wicked people as I beleive in judgement and killing is part of judgement for evil unrepentant blood suckers but it's not in your place but Gods decision. Your own is to serve Him and do His commandments which includes praying for your enemies

The best thing is to be serious with God and you wont even know you have enemies . The enemy is irrelevant if we focus on the word. GOD never told Adam about the devil and his tricks but only gave him the word for Adam to obey. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Obey the word esp the NT and see how God makes you d apple of His eye

Praivit0:
I don't dabble into other books that aren't part of the 66books of the Bible, however I must categorically say that when christianity started there was nothing like the 66books. The compilation was made by theologians. There were other epistles in the early church like those of Barnabas and co, do we then call Christians of that era who believed in such epistles heretic.

Ones salvation shouldn't be judged by wether the person believes in the book of Enoch or not but in the belief of the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and saviour.

Believing in other books like book of Enoch doesn't make one a heretic. Let's not be stereotypical as Christians.

Let's be guided by the Spirit of Christ and not by assumption and opinions of people who condemn what they haven't read. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.

Very mature poster . Some people dont know that the early christains didnt have the bible in 66 books like we have it now but they were independent books of their own which were read separately and never collectively. The truth really hurts and for some people it shakes their whole world and beliefs systems hence the rubbish belief that the sons of God were the children of Seth . That part just makes me LOL wheneva I think of it . Just negodu nonsense reasoning even after overwhelming scriptural evidences that proves otherwise. The human mind hates truth and is always comfortable in deceits and lies just like a pig is comfy in the mud that even when you wash and bathe it in truth it still returns to the mud and filth of lies . Me I no go enter mud with anybody. If you like make sons of God be children of Okonkwo or Oduduwa na u sabi or if you say the BOE was written in hell or in ogbomosho, na you sabi. Me I will forever be making reference to the book and will teach my children. Come and beat me

Maamin:
My brother this people will twist anything in the scripture just to fix in their erroneous teaching. How can Jude be warning against Enoch's writing when in fact he was acknowledging it ? Truth is has been made plain right before them. Pride and ego won't let them accept it.

Honestly I have zero patience for people who talk Ill about this glorious book of Enoch. I dont try and convince them either because it's not necessary to read it as the bible as we have is enough for any beleiver to grow and be fully mature. I also beleive that the bible MUST first be read and understood before delving into the BOE. But for any matured son of God the book is very informative and strengthens faith because it fills in the gaps neatly about the historical occurances of the world and fallen Angel's. Same fallen Angel's the world believes in and have even perverted by Hollywood lies. It's the same fallen Angel's some 'christians' wont beleive because of their harden and uncircumcised heart .

Imagine foolishness of saying sons of God r children of Seth . What a joke. Me I dont argue with folks whose minds are not open to learn but are like a flint that is cast on rock.

Keep it up @okcornel.

toaterry:
God will grant you the grace to buy one.

Whixh one is grace to buy car again . Ordinary car wey even person wey no get grace dey buy na em God go grant you grace to buy? So even if you then buy d car that means God has blessed you abi?

Nigerians and religion. D thing dey taya person

Auxtin85:
Me get huge sexual libido, my sex drive na Ferrari

Be mindful bro. Ferrari sef dey crash.

BLEMOSEDU:
Most of these your curses are gibberish, the truth is no one has absolute knowledge of how the universe came about

People that dont know are those who refuse to study. Even when they do, they question what their tiny minds cant understand. Imagine explaining the internet to the generation of ROME .

What ever makes you sleep at night bruv. Make every man answer em name. Besides, I didnt curse anyone

LordReed:
Utter tripe, just chock full of superstitious nonsense and mythological bullshit. Not even worth a proper response for all its lengthy bullcrap.

I am living my life without your god and your devil can't do shít because they fictional characters in your deluded worldview.

I said I wont respond but cant help to ignore foolishness from a child. YOU WONT BE THE FIRST NEITHER THE LAST TO BLASPHEME GOD. Weather you have been to Russia or not, the fact is it exists . Your portion is determined. BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID FOR THIS IS THE LAST DAYS . Men will fall like rain. Lives will be wasted. Disasters, earth quakes and other natural disasters. Plane crashes, automobile crashes and other man made disasters .The time is short my friend. I'm smiling as I type this. The time is short. After death, there is no other chance. life is soooooo short . 100 years? That In itself is short. Will you get to 90?

ETERNITY IS TO LOONG TO BE WRONG.

No more comments from here bruv. Enjoy ur life while you have it. Then you will know when you die that d life you had, you did nothing to contribute to your having it. You were formed like a porter forms a pot

LordReed:
When you see a car parked outside your gate you know it was a human being parked it out there because you have only ever experienced a human being driving and parking cars. You have never experienced a dog or cat or any other nonhuman drive and park cars. If dogs, cats and humans can all drive and park cars, would you be certain it was a human that parked the car or would you wonder which one of the 3 capable agents did it? In our human experience we have nothing to compare any actions between what we call natural and the acts of a god. It usually leads to people like you indulging in a god of the gaps fallacy, inserting your favourite mythological characters in spaces where we lack knowledge.



Is there only one father or president or premiership jersey in the whole world? So why would you believe there is only one god? Our earth is insignificant compared to the universe and yet there are at least 500 million fathers on our planet atm. Then in a universe of billions of planets we should believe there is only one god? Why does your intuition get kwashiorkor when it comes to that?



Actually it's the height of delusion to assume that your intuition is 100% accurate in face of a lack of evidence. You delude yourself into thinking there is a magic sky daddy in the nebulous place you call heaven. A place you have no evidence of but can describe and believe your description to be 100% accurate. If you can't see how utterly arse backward that is then you only prove the point that you are utterly deluded.

. Your comments made me laugh loud. Like I said I dont indulge atheist but why NOT!!

Your first point. Y cant it be a dog that parked d car? Have you seen dogs drive? As strong as man is, dont you c d limitations? Man in all his strength struggles to make life better for themselves yet die like everyother thing. Like a dog, a cow, even the trees, man dies like every other being. Man does not have power over death. Can you be in America and dictate what happens in Lagos? Man is limited, it shows there r other forces . Have you seen evil? Hmm. If you have worked in the armed forces and see d wickedness of man, you will agree that there is a DEVIL. You see a man and see the embodiment of a devilish/wicked force because the things this man does even you and me as wicked as we are cannot imagine ourselves doing such

You asked if there is one president or premiership of the whole world? bros but there is one world naaaa. Every nation or premiership club acts as one world. ONE WOLRD ONE GOD. even the premiership has one FA BOSS. The presidents have one EU boss or AU boss. These r institutions of men which proves that a man can preside over a people so y is it strange that one God can do same.

If you were a reader you will understand that the ancient people who did great things and who are still studied till today understood the essence of a God. We r lazy in this generation because we are at ease . Internet, cars, planes, things are easier for this generation so they have forgotten the God factor but d issue in ancient civilization was not if there was a God but which is the true God . There all understood that they is a supreme being in charge of the cosmos, something this generation does not understand.

Bros like I said, you and I dont ave words together. What agreement has the temple of God with foolishness. I have no issue with you for I beieleve it's only weak and foolish men that say there is no God

Even the movers and shakers of this temporal world know that there is a Heavenle being tho their opinions r distorted hence the cults and satanic beliefs. In a war, the people that gets cut up first are the lukewarm people. Those who dont know that there is a war. People like urself who dont understand the happenings of the world before they were born. For everyone born into a family must understand the workings of that particular family for it will be foolishness to assume the family started with the birth of urself. There is a history.

Read and understand the world you are born into . A FOOL SAYS IN HIS FOOLISH HEART THERE IS NO GOD. can the police come to your house and say you are not the owner of your household. That you kidnapped your wife and children? Wont you laugh them to scorn? God laughs at the foolishness of men who shake their hands at Him and says there is no God. . My last comment to you. I have no time for athestist as they are weak, foolish and unintelligent . I studied science in the university and have learnt that science is subject to God. For science explains the act of God without acknowledging Him . The laws of gravity, Newton's laws? principles? Who set these laws? Who initiated these principles?

DNA was discovered by Watson and Creek but does it mean there was no DNA since inception? There r millions of microbes in the human physiology yet these microbes were discovered when? Does it mean they were not there all along?

These world is full of spirits . Weather you see them ot not is ur business . Dont be foolish. Hide your head under God. The world is evil and will get worse

My last comment brother. Enjoy your life. . You and I are not in the same school of thought. You r meat for the devil in this world. Your end will be sad and destructive because you know not the God of Israel . You r a statistic in this world . And when your miserable life ends . Your knees will blow to the Yeshua. The Son of Man. . For no matter how hardened a criminal is, when he is sentenced to imprisonment or death, he is humbled and no matter how he resists the sentence, it must be carried out. This is in the operation of men, what about the operation of the spirits where you have no power . For when you sleep, your emotions and will are irrelevant as sleep over powers you and the dream of your head you cannot influence

LordReed:
This is called wuruwuru to the answer. First, you need to demonstrate that a god exists. Then you need to show there is only one of its kind, before you now detail how you know it is this specific Jewish and Christian claimant.

I really dont have time to explain nothing brother. I dont join issues with atheist. But lemme indulge you as I have some seconds.

Firstly do I need to prove to you God exists? If I ask your spouse or mother to prove to me you exists, what do you think dey will day? They will point to the things that you have done or do regularly. Eg they will say look his bed is laid, his car is parked outside, or see he withdrew from his account. Do you see a car parked outside your gate and say nobody parked it there? That the car evolved from a bicycle and the bicycle evolved from a log of tree?. The proofs of God are all around us if we r critical thinkers. Even the fathers of science acknowledged that science explains the process and how things works but never the origin . Can you sincerely look at the sun rising everyday and think it does it on it's own? Even in our lives, when there is law and order, dont we assume someone or an institution made it so?

Nature itself shows the existence of a God. The mountains, the solar system . Dont you think they is a great designer? Just like how you see a beautiful car or house and not assume there is a designer.

As regards if there is one God or multiple gods. That simple, how many presidents can be in a nation per time? How many MDs or CEOs in a organisation? Can we have two husbands/heads of the family in one nuclear family?. Life itself shows us that the evidences of duplicates or frauds shows us that there is always an original. Do you beleive that in Nigeria, few people have seen an original premiership jersey . For the fact that the fakes are awash doesn't mean there is no original .in fact so many fakes look like original.

If you can digest all these and think critically with logic as I didnt try to draw my proofs from theological beliefs but the simple things of life then i will proceed on why the only true God is the God of the Israelites as archaeology and historical events have shown but I expect you to sound like the typical atheist for which I have no patience for because I believe that the height of foolishness and stupidity is to say there is no God in light of the daily proofs.

LordReed:
We must love your god? How does that make sense?

Bros it's not my God but The God. If you look at the universe and indeed the world we live in we will acknowledge that a Supreme being is at work. There is only One True God. With all the religion and gods, there is only one true God. It's your responsibility to find Him .

There r no two presidents in a nation, there r no two CEOs in a company no matter the imposters and frauds. It's the same with God because all flesh shall be judged upon death.

The only True God is the same God of the Israelites who at a time where nations had multiple gods, they had one. It's the same God the sent Yeshua for the remission of sins. So now you know, Worshi0 Him not like these people who say there r Christians but r really the church of satan but you must find this God by yourself because He is not what these people tell us He is. We really do not have true christains as it was indeed, what we have in place of christianity is another religion.

LordReed:
So a loving god's attempt to get your attention is by involving you in a car crash? LMFAO! If it was a human being you'll get them sent for psychiatric evaluation but this delusion allows you to find this acceptable from you magic sky daddy. SMDH while LMFAO.

This man does not know God. These guys live their lives in complete rebellion to God then something like this happens and they calling God. His only lucky to be alive like we all r. His time has not come yet. Na flashing . We all living on borrowed time as the next second is not yours for keeps. We must love God because the days are evil and destruction is looking for who to waste.

Generalwoodz:
Nairaland sef Look at the Time the News is hiting the frontpage...

If its Tacha this, Mercy that and Snake threads na vom!! with speed of light it is already on Frontpage
This news broke out 14hours ago !! if you're looking for News as they break 'fashi' nairaland. The MODs nawa

Quick fact about her.

She is Nigerian First female to Study law upto Ph.D level.. of" Law of Intellectual property"

Good for her @ bolded. Hope all her achievements can save her now. At the end is all vanity and the only thing that matters is your relationship with Elohim. Because now all the achievements even to her will be like cow dung

When faced with life and death . Life doesn't matter again.

Wish you safe return back to your family. Atleast, to live so as to fight for life another day

CodeTemplar:
Haha ha.. J****J** so na you?
Mammoth ko, gigantically mamon ni... Elevated mumu.

Thank you. Insult me as you will. You will remember me later in your life.Your papa is deceiving you with long life abi. Most of your members die untimely and suddenly . Alot of them die from sickness deceiving themselves that God has healed them whenever you shamman prays for them and extorts them..

Worshippers of devils claiming worshippers of God. Lazy christain that wont study and know God but assumes Godliness is gain

Time will tell ..

Watch this post. That your criminal short theif will die a disgraceful death because he has brought confusion and desecrated the Holy place with his idols. He claims he is God ba? Just watch.

CodeTemplar:
Stop the multi layered ignorance and assumptions.

If only you will tell yourself the truth for these things I'm saying are not strange to you. But of course you love it when your papa tells you your breakthrough is around d corner. That God will open the windows of heaven. Miracle marriage, miracle contract, promotions . Carnal minded christains whose god is mammoth .

Continue, Yeshua will meet all of you building empires on earth in the name of the gospel.

Mark my words. God will fight for his own . It will begin in your temple of mammoth at canaanland.

Clowns on the pulpit.

CodeTemplar:
There is clearly a provision for material things towards prophets and to best of my knowledge, Oyedepo gets gift in billions of Naira easily. Even fellow men of God do give him seeds in hundreds of millions. And I mean men of God from outside Living Faith Church AKA Winners Chapel lntl.
I don't think that man has ever touched a kobo from offering or tithes. He once got a oil well as gift. That's serious o.

Stop equating every small road side church you know to bigger ones you don't know. That man is not after money again in his life.

You must have been so brainwashed that you cant see the light. All the gifts he gets is in whose name? What business is he doing again? Isnt he propagating the name of Christ? So everything he gets is either as an offering or tithe. You must be greatly deceived to say he doesnt touch the tithe or offering. So who does? Do you not discern that CU and all other franchises are from the offerings and tithes? Now he can afford not to touch it any more because he has other side businesses which originated from the givings of the commonwealth.(tithe, offerings)

So for you church is by size and number abi? Carnal baby christain. Your papa is blind leading the blind. Continue to count numbers while your church members are heading to hell chasing after wealth and are one of the most corrupt folks after redeem members. With all the churches in Nigeria where r we in holiness? If you want to find Yahoo boys come to winners, armed robbers nko, winners, your members are all scheming and scamming themselves to outshine themselves to share testimony of how God blessed them on the altar . For you are a worshipper of man not God. Your god is your belly .

Continue. You will stand alone when you die. Your Papa wont stand with you

CodeTemplar:
u need to stop talking what u know not. who told u tithes and offerings are part of what the church spends on road or schools? Your problem is too much bitterness mixed with assumptions.

No it's not tithes nor offerings. It's the money your papa saved after working countless years in the federal government.

Brain washed clown.

CodeTemplar:
Buhari has 10+ jets in presidential fleet, and there are more poor Nigerians than there are poor winners members. Go meet Buhari.

You this guy again. Pls how can you compare d president of a nation which has d legal right to tax the people for his luxury to a man like you and me, a fellow brethren who tax the people of Elohim for his personal gains and luxury, r our brains on vacation? Even God told the Israelites the manner of kings when they wanted one
He said the King will take your vines and your sons as servants. Cant we think? He robs his fellow brethren claiming to be special like Christ whereas we are all brethren even Christ calls us His brethren. He steals from the commonwealth of beleivers and donates a fraction to road construction, same roads that lead to his business that will make the sheaple drive smoothly to donate more money.

We r cursed in this nation. That's y things will get worse. Nigeria will be worse mark my word because God Is angry with this wicked and perverse nation.

Believers dont study scriptures to know d times and seasons but are lovers of wealth, material things which this false prophets propagate. You think the kingdom of Yeshua is in meat and drink? Cars and houses? Private jets and estates? Hmmm.

I will rejoice over the demise of this criminal on pulpit. This man that has taken the place of God in your life and lives of many. It will be sooner than we all think. Mark this words

Moode:
Can you imagine this one, I thank God for opening my eyes to identify the wolfs amongst to the sheep I hope He does for you too

Are you sure you have fully identified all of them . Some na infrared sheep clothing dem dey use ooo. Na only with special type spirit filled eyes dem dey use identify am

OkCornel2:
My main account was banned by the anti-spam bot.

Please look at the lifestyle and doctrine of the Essenes in my next post.

After that, we'll look at the striking similarities between Christianity and some other pagan beliefs.

Then I'll laugh even harder at logic behind using the theory of similarities to condemn the Essenes sect, but at the same time...turn a blind eye to that of Christianity.

If someone can condemn the Essenes on the grounds of similarity to non-Jewish beliefs...I wonder why that same person is hesitant to do same to Christianity.

I'm with you brother

OkCornel:
I’m laughing hard here. For someone to go as far as castigating the Essenes just to invalidate the book of Enoch which was included alongside other scriptures found in the Dead Sea scrolls is so funny.


Now I know that guy copies and pastes stuffs without reading and analysing the details.


Let’s look at the doctrines and lifestyle of the Essenes in the next post from Josephus’ records.

I didnt even bother reading the brothers post. For me iz like a student saying he knows calculux but cant execute BODMAS .

I know I will poke holes into every point highlighted but like I said, I'm not glorifying some book. YESHUA is King and as long as he believes that I'm good .

Everyone should do as they please because weather we read BOE or not it won't be important to please the Master

solite3:
Summary:

1. The only full text of the Book of Enoch comes from the Ethiopian text, which is dated from the 15th-century or later and shows errors, modifications and additions. The Aramaic text found in the Dead Sea Scrolls are not in full agreement with the Ethiopian text and the entire book of Parables is missing, which may indicate this section was a later edition made to the Ethiopian Book of Enoch.

2. People claim there are similarities between the Book of Enoch and certain scriptures in the Bible but often many of these so called similarities prove to be far from the same verbiage and message as the Bible.

3. The Epistle of Jude has a totally different message from the message found in the Book of Enoch, thus proving Jude did not directly quote from the Book of Enoch.

4. The Book of Enoch makes the outrageous claim that human women gave birth to 4,500-foot giants.

5. The Book of Enoch contradicts scripture by saying all sin in the world did not originate with Adam, but from a fallen angel named Azazel.

6. The Book of Enoch claims angels can cleanse the earth of all sin. This is counter to scripture and the message of the Gospel and makes the Book of Enoch heretical.

7. The Book of Enoch states that the human women who had sexual relations with fallen angels and gave birth to giants will also be transformed into mythical creatures known as “sirens,” which is Greek and Roman mythology.

8. The Book of Enoch states that in the last days the children of the holy elect will come down from heaven to be one with the children of men. This is another strange concept that disagrees with scripture.

9. Yeshua (Jesus) stated he was going to heaven to prepare a mansion for the righteous, but the Book of Enoch says sinners must be evicted from the heavenly mansions first.

10. The Bible says Yeshua (Jesus) shed his blood as the final sacrifice, but the Book of Enoch says God will still require a certain number of righteous to shed their blood as an offering required by God.

11. The Bible says those who are in hell will be cast into the lake of fire, but the Book of Enoch says that God will choose the righteous and holy from hell.

12. The Book of Enoch teaches that angels built the Ark, but the scriptures say Noah and his family built the Ark. As a sign of his obedience and faith to God, Noah took the instructions of God and completed the Ark. Angels are never mentioned as the builders of the Ark.

13. The Book of Enoch teaches Greek and Roman mythology, by claiming the Sun and Moon are beings that ride in chariots across the sky. Then the Book of Enoch adds further heresy, by stating this knowledge of the sun, moon,and the cosmos were given from heaven.

14. The Book of Enoch says that Noah’s father was fearful of Noah when he was born because Noah did not appear human and had eyes like laser beams that illuminated the entire house. In addition, the Book of Enoch says that Noah and his grandfather Methuselah were able to speak to Enoch from the edge of the earth and that Enoch appeared when summoned to shared secrets from heaven. Not only does this contradict scripture, but it's also occult teachings.

15. If this was truly God's word and his scripture, then he would have preserved it as he promised to do with his word, yet we don't see the Book of Enoch being preserved. For generations this book was hidden from God's people. "The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. (Psalms 12:6-7)

16. All of these examples just scratch the surface. The Book of Enoch is filled with biblical contradictions and very strange accounts about the heavens, earth, humans, and angels. The Book of Enoch reflects a lot of pagan beliefs, which clearly shows it’s uninspired. This is why the Book of Enoch was rejected as scripture by both Christians and Jews, with the exception of Jewish and Christian sects in Ethiopia, or a handful of early church leaders. However, those who embrace the Book of Enoch cannot produce evidence to validate its inspiration, but there is ample internal and external evidence to prove the Book of Enoch is a dangerous false teachings.

What are the dangers of using the Book of Enoch?

The Apostle Paul said all scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for establishing doctrines (2 Timothy 3:16), but the Book of Enoch is contrary to scripture and proven to be uninspired. Therefore, we can never use the Book of Enoch for teaching or for doctrine. To the biblically ignorant, the book of Enoch might be appealing, but those who know the scripture will find the Book of Enoch full of idolatry, blasphemy, and heresy.

You can chose to ignore the instructions of the Apostle Paul, and continue to use “Jewish fables” (Titus 1:14) like the Book of Enoch as your proof text for teaching and doctrine, but this means the foundation of your doctrines and beliefs are ungodly, uninspired, and dangerous.

Therefore, our advice is that everyone should keep away from the Book of Enoch and instead of promoting it, believers should REFUTE IT!!!

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My man no one is making the book of Enoch a doctrine . Chill bro.

For the single fact you think the sons of God are descendants of Seth, .

I love that book and I will read it till I get to heaven .

I didnt read all your comments as I will poke holes in every single point raised if I do. But I'd rather not brother.

Please dont read this book if you cant handle it. I wont because of a book make my brother fall .

Me I love the book and wont stop reading it and will even introduce my kids to it

@okcornel this guy mean am ok. See as em flood the thread

MuttleyLaff:
Refer to 2 Timothy 4:3 and Jude 1:18 coming next below



"For the time will come when people will not tolerate sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, will multiply teachers for themselves because they have an itch to hear what they want to hear."
- 2 Timothy 4:3

"How they told you that there would be mockers in the last time who would walk according to their own ungodly lusts.
(i.e. whose purpose in life is to satisfy their ungodly desires)"
- Jude 1:18

Bodydialect57 and gobuchinny, I have this sneaky feeling youse havent at all back to back read the BoE. I say this because first, gobuchinny never gave a response to my questions about him to please give me honest replies to each and every one of my questions I asked him in my previous post.

Number 2, if truly youse two have read the BoE, then youse would have noticed the gaping holes in the BoE, as opposed of thinking it is filling blanks and/or gaps.

gobuchinny, you seem not to want to acknowledge the God Factor in 300 men defeating men as much as the sand in the seashore. The God Factor in the virgin give birth to a man. The God Factor in how a sea divides for people. The God Factor in how the earth got flooded and only 8 survived

The book of Enoch speaks about the gospel? So? Even demons, workers of evil and workers of iniquity speak about the Gospel too gobuchinny. So whats the big deal, saying the BoE, speaks about the Gospel, hmm?

gobuchinny, you said, you're asking me again that, do I think God cannot preserve His words, but you refused to reply to my question that, if the BoE, is truly that revered and a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if its just once, not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Others books, even the your beloved Book of Jasher, the original is mentioned, mentioned even at least twice, if I am correct, but high and mighty BoE is missing. BoE, seems to be an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with their lips, talkess let it be in a way that is visible to the eye, be seen written out in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment, that at the very least, BoE is an accursed book

I am glad for you that you know the truth about RCC. My grouse at the moment isnt with the RCC, so that congratsto you, is all I'll here be saying about the RCC aside again saying here that, if only more christians properly read their bibles there'd be less christians.

gobuchinny, I would rather we stick to this BoE matter at hand, instead to wandering off talking about Israel, the fakery going on with Ashkenazi Jews and whatnot

gobuchinny, you said:
"Please nwannem, let's discuss the Book of Enoch. Tell me one thing in that book that you have an issue with...
Let's discuss your issues with the book. Pls quote it let's discuss. Because if you cant find any thing that contradicts the bible, y do you have an issue?"

Well gobuchinny, guess what? I have countless times made comments about the ridiculousness of the BoE on this thread and elsewhere, but do you know what gobuchinny? You see up there, is a quote from solite3. solite3 has twice painstakingly provided an itemised listing of contradictions present in the Book of Enoch.

gobuchinny, be our guest, munch on away on those contradictions. You're spoiled for choice gobuchinny, which ones you want to first start sink your teeth into, lol. Happy days. lol.

Please jor, biko, my nwanne friend gobuchinny dont let the crew down, let's put this Book of Enoch to bed. At least make solite3 a happy person tonight before solite3 goes to bed too.

PS: I like that "see: Q: #289". Another strong meat that's too tough for some to gnaw their teeth on, lol.

Sorry I'm responding late. I have looked at all your submissions. Firstly I beleive Enoch spoke to his son after he had ascended. Methusaleh said that his dwelling was with the Angel's meaning he wasnt on earth. Enoch also said in the same conversation that he has read the heavenly tablets which shows he wasnt on earth. Y is this strange? Didnt Moses and Elijah appear to Jesus and speak to Him?.

Enoch spoke of rain when it hadn't rained. because it hadn't rain doesn't mean there was no rain . Or do you assume that rain was invented just because of the flood. Enoch saw in the spirits so he knew there was such a thing as rain.

An angel was in charge of repentance so replacing the role of Yeshua? That absurd. Angel's are ministering spirits and each has it's own role. How do you think the world is organized. It's like Angel's in charge of ensuring the sun passes its route or Angel's In charge of the souls of men. These r roles of several Angel's brother not in anyway taking the place of Christ. Iz like how a nation has different ministers to ensure progress. And everyone has their roles.

Bible says Noah built the ark, BOE says Angel's helped him build. How is that any different? Do you know that for everywar fought by Israel Angel's would have assisted? Weather it was mentioned or not we assume because Israel was fighting the battle of God. Sometime the bible even says God himself hurled stones. Elisah was surrounded on time and God opened the eyes of his servant to see the host present. If Gehazi never saw it does it mean Angel's were not available to help?

All these points you raised are non issues. I ask again. The devil never invests in what will not blaspheme Elohim. There is no blasphemy but only reinforcement of the gospel which is Yeshua. So if you accomplish the task of God, dont you know you obviously got some help from Angel's weather you saw them or not. Are they not ministering spirit sent to assist those that will inherit eternal life?

Unlike other books that point to another saviour no matter how much they acknowledge God or Yeshua, because the devil must point you away from God and His Son, the BOE points you to Yeshua.

About the temptation of eve, hope you know that Satan fell with alot Angel's. And any activity of these angels will be deemed as an activity of Satan. Besides, these book was translated into several languages and alotta details might have been lost but the idea is to get the general picture.

Why is it strange that a baby spoke at birth but not strange that a donkey spoke to his master . So this is not an issue atall brother.

Like I said. Everything you raised are non issues and only reinforces that the book is good to go. Please I'm not promoting any book as the bible is enough but for more understanding, the BOE fills in alotta gaps along side the BOJ.

You are wrong about it not quoted as Jude and Peter quoted verbatim from the book . Peter said Angel's that kept not their first estate . Please what other proofs do you need. Abi the estate ma for Omole phase 1 .

Please quote something else from it because I haven't seen anything yet from you that makes the book contradict the bible

OkCornel:
For those of you fruitlessly arguing that the sons of God in Genesis & Job are the male descendants of Seth;

Please have a look at Josephus Flavius' Antiquity of the Jews; I don't think Josephus Flavius needs introduction here as famous first century Jewish historian he was.

Flavius Josephus of the Antiquities of the Jews — Book I
Chapter 3 v 1;

1. Now this posterity of Seth continued to esteem God as the Lord of the universe, and to have an entire regard to virtue, for seven generations: but in process of time they were perverted, and forsook the practices of their fore-fathers; and did neither pay those honours to God which were appointed them, nor had they any concern to do justice towards men. But for what degree of zeal they had formerly shewn for virtue, they now shewed by their actions a double degree of wickedness. Whereby they made God to be their enemy. For many Angels of God accompanied with women, and begat sons that proved unjust, and despisers of all that was good; on account of the confidence they had in their own strength. For the tradition is, that these men did what resembled the acts of those whom the Grecians call Giants. But Noah was very uneasy at what they did: and being displeased at their conduct, persuaded them to change their dispositions, and their actions for the better. But seeing they did not yield to him, but were slaves to their wicked pleasures, he was afraid they would kill him, together with his wife and children, and those they had married. So he departed out of that land.




Amazing how this historical account is also ignored.

This antiquities of the jews seem interesting from what I read. I will soon get to it.

MuttleyLaff:
You really think I havent read the BoE, erhn?

Nwanne, trust me. I have the three flavours of that nauseating BoE, the same way I have the Quran and many other books like that I wouldnt want to mention their titles here. I am a voracious eater, but it doesnt mean because of eating, I'll call a monkey or dog brother.

gobuchinny, please be honest at least if for this once with me on the BoE, erhn? Now gobuchinny are you trying to tell me, that there isnt anything written in the BoE that you've thought, hmm, thats odd, that doesnt add up, that is ludicrous, that is OTT, etcetera hmm?

gobuchinny, if the BoE, is truly that revered and a book that commands respect and honour, why isnt it, even if just once not directly mentioned anywhere in the Bible. Others are, even the your beloved Book of Jasher, the original is mentioned, mentioned even at least twice, if I am correct, but high and mighty BoE is missing. BoE, seems to be an outcast. Nobody dared directly mention it with the lips, talkess let it be in a way that is visible to the eye be seen written out in black ink on the Bible's white. This is an indictment that at the very least, its an accursed book

The demon that knew who Jesus was and even acknowledged Jesus, did it speak against Christianity, hmm? Did it not speak positively about Christ, hmm? Did it not confirm the scripture 100% about Jesus Christ, huh? Was the accursed demon not appropiately dealth with, erhn? If your replies are, yes, yes, yes and yes, then need I say more, then I rest my case.

Fyi, that the Book of Jasher now paraded about is not the original one mentioned in the Bible. The original BoS is lost, missing AWOL, the paraded one is a hoax. The other apocrypha clearly werent God inspired, just as the BoE isnt.

Do you honestly think that God cannot preserve His words brother. Do humans preserve their own words? If they r duplicates it proves to me that there is an original. There r several books of jasher and Enoch (maybe you read the wrong one? but one true one which is still in circulation . When you read it. It fills in the blanks in the bible neatly.

The truth is, there r several things that we read in the conventional bible that strikes as odd. How can 300 men defeat men as much as the sand in the seashore. How can a virgin give birth to a man. How can a sea divide for a people? Or how can the earth be flooded and only 8 survive? The book of Enoch speaks about the gospel. Infact you read it and r amazed at the similarities of doctrines. I ask again, do you think God cannot preserve His words? That man is stronger than God? The same word He honours more than His name?

Let me tell you, the catholic is an evil institution. See, the devil didnt know the plan of God for if he knew he wouldn't have killed Jesus 1 cor 2 vs 8. Enoch speaks about the death of Yeshua. The Catholics r a institution of the devil to hijack christianity. It's all prophesied. The abomination of desolation spoken of by Yeshua in Matt 25. Its similar to what happened in the maccabees where Antichous erected the statue of Zeus in the temple.

What the Catholics brought is pagan worship which the protestants continued. They would have hide all scriptures if they could but there was a tradition on written/verified scripture which could not be denied hence the bible as you c it. The Euthopians have always been in the mix with the jews. Check out ancient civilizations. Some euthopians jews (betajews) have naturally settled in Israel and Israel's gov acknowledges them as jews . Everyone knows Israel is the bearer of the true God. When it was customary to have multiple gods the jews came with One true God..There was a tradition of fallen angels. It was well known in ancient times. Please verify with ancient Jewish beliefs. The euthopian bible kept this truth.

The devil has been working hard. Please nwannem, let's discuss the book of enoch. Tell me one thing in that book that you have an issue with. I'm not here to promote the book as I beleive you dont need the book to find salvation in Christ. As all has been provided in the conventional bible. But that book is an inspired word of God.

Sometimes you will be reading it and fill your r reading from revelations, other times you will fill like it's from galatians, or ephesians or genesis.

Let's discuss your issues with the book. Pls quote it let's discuss. Because if you cant find any thing that contradicts the bible, y do you have an issue? Bear in mind the devil is no fool. He won't bring this 'accursed' book without blaspheming . It's his nature. To curse God cause he will eventually die. Like the quran is, for tho they acknowledge Yeshua, they still curse him. The devil wont inspire the book of Enoch without reaping his benefits. No. Do you invest in a business you want benefit from?

Please quote my friend let put this to bed