Eviana:
Do you have a keen understanding of the "66" books already present in the Bible?
Just the first five books of the Bible, known as the books of Moses, would keep me engrossed for days.
Enoch was mentioned in the highest manner..in Genesis, so I think that was sufficent enough.
I think what's in the Bible is what God wanted in there and for us to focus on...not what's "not" there.

Well said brother and that's been my school of thought. I only get angry when people bash the book because they dknt understand it . Focus on the 66 books as its more than enough and if you want more then read Enoch, or Jasher and if not DONT. but dont keep looking for reasons to bash it because under the microscope, the book stands the test of scripture and always passes

2 Peter 2 vs 4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement.

These verse came as Peter had previously explained in Chapter 1 vs 19 -21 about the sure word of prophecy and how God spoke to them on the mountain with Yeshua. He also said how God has been speaking through Holy men to birth scripture. Bear in mind that the apostle knew that their letters were scripture becaus e they understood how God works. The only piece God wrote Himself were the 10 commandments everyother scripture were written by God through man.

He then explained that as they are true prophets and scribes of God, they were also false prophets that will bring in damanble heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them

2 Peter 2:1-3 "But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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And that many shall follow their ways.....he then likened the false prophets to the fallen angels . @okcornel are you seeing these. Now what did the fallen Angel's do? They brought damnable heresies, and denied the lord that bought them by copulating with fleshy and earthy man and producing offsprings, evil giant offsprings and brought upon themselves swift destruction because right now those Angel's are locked up in their hell and chained unto the end of days. @okcornel you dey see these rev .

And many humans follow their perilous ways . Did you see how everything fitted with the verses above? How and why Peter used the fallen Angel's and false prophets as mirror image for both destruction and apostacy?.

My friend if you are not seeing these things then you are stiff necked and i cannot help you. Because you have chosen to beleive lies infact the damanble heresies here is you saying that there were no fallen Angel's. I can imagine apostle Peter will slap your face if you were alive in His days. .

You have alot to learn bro. Be humble. You are not bigger than God. Everybody dey learn. I love to learn and would learn from you if I feel what you r saying is right. But clearly you are perverting scripture and I worry for you. Be careful the devil is real and is looking for who to devour. Sin is lurking at the door bro. Lets all be humble.

I would have done the jude analysis but no need.

MuttleyLaff:
Peter and Jude did not exchange letters with other. Peter first sent put his letter before Jude did, he not only his copied from Peter when quoting the BoE, just as Peter did, bit also confirmed that things Peter wrote in his letter has begun to happen at the time he was then writing his letter. Scroll up the thread, you'll see how I showed this.

Muttey show whatever you wanna show. I haven't seen anything yet that collaborates what you r saying. Becos you seem to say that Peter and Jude referenced Enoch to condemn it. And I'm putting it to you to prove this theory.

What scriptures made you arrive at this assumptions as regards the quoting of the BOE to castigate by Peter and Jude. Dis you read the preceding verses to draw this conclusion? Because what I find in my KJV is in total opposition to your hypothesis or thoery.

Please ellaborate

MuttleyLaff:
You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

Please dear muttey show me where Peter and Jude discussed or exchanged letters to themselves to discuss this false teachers and denouncing the BOE

OkCornel:


Gobuchinny, the comedy show is getting more hilarious. Apparently, Muttley was an eye witness back then to confirm the false teachers Peter and Jude were referring to...got their inspiration from BoE


Lmao

Mehn I'm happy everyone can read and make their decisions. . Any sane mind can quickly decipher his tricks and falsehood in distorting scripture and being evasive about facts

MuttleyLaff:
You are beginning to bring out the knives and daggers abi. Ordinary fists fight is not enough for you erhn?

Please answer those my easy simple and straightforward questions now. Were they too hard or intimidating for you to confront ni? I can ask you easier ones. Please tell if the three questions were centred about things that are factual or fiction. Jor, biko.

I have times enough told what is was on this thread and elsewhere what Peter and Jude discussed before beginning to lambast the false teachers etcetera and denouncing the BoE. Your problem is you don't read long posts and you are forgetful

Mehn you r evasive on all fronts . What r you even saying. Didnt I answer your questions already? You raised the issue off 3000 or 300 cubits didnt you read my response on Acts 9 and Acts 22? Did you even read my post this man? I have thrash all you demonic arguments and any sane mind reading this thread knows already how you distort scriptures.

The books of acts mixed up Paul's narrative on his conversion, y dont you say d book is accursed .

The letter killeth muttey and its killing you every second . The spirit giveth life brother. You need that Spirit to interpret scripture as scripture not as your story books

OkCornel:



Abeg, how did Peter and Jude denounce the BoE?

By agreeing the angels sinned and were casted into hell? By agreeing certain angels rebelled and left their first estate? By agreeing these angels are bound with chains awaiting judgement?


I’m really loving this joke.

I'm waiting for him that knoweth all wisdom. The King of Kings and Lord of lords Muttey.

Let him tell us under which context his devilish and proud assumptions that Peter and Jude were denouncing the book. A book they quoted to further reiterate their points.

It amazes such uncircumcised hearts in man that in light of facts, man still wallows in darkness

Muttey biko I'm waiting. Let's put this joke to bed once and for all biko. You have been around this foolishness too long

MuttleyLaff:
I often quote other materials to denounce them. Don't be daft gobuchinny. What's your problem, erhn?

But what was the context of discuss my very wise friend muttey . Are you dull of understanding? Ok. To help your comprehension . What was the discuss before either Peter or Jude quoted the glorious book? Oya tell me Oh wise King Muttey.

Your foolishness will be revealed for all today. Please answer me

MuttleyLaff:
"Where did Peter and Jude denounce Enoch or the book of Enoch?"
- by elated177: 1:33pm On Apr 18 2019

"Where did Peter, Jude and Paul denounce the book of Enoch as fraud?
Same book of Enoch Jesus quoted from abi? Nice joke."
- Religion / Re: Cultism, The Spiritual Consequences And Deliverance Through Christ by ỌkCornel(m): 8:22am On Aug 20

I know you guys hardly read long posts, if at all you do manage to read them, you dont carefully read them or you quickly forget what you've read.

I have never written that Peter or Jude were lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology I also have never ever written anything to the the effect that Peter and Jude were wrong to lift verses out of the BoE into their letters. I have extensively expressed how and why, the reasons, Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, lol, but you guys are still no the wiser, lol. Smh

I would repeat myself and summarise in three to four words, the reason why Peter and Jude lifted verses out of the BoE, it is because they were denouncing the book and pointing out "warning" of "appearance" of "false teachers", and "heresy(ies)" in the book. Those already familiar with the BoE and who are ardent supporters of the book, knew that it is the BoE, that Peter and Jude were quoting from, without even the name BoE being mentioned and used to lambast them with.

But what foolishness is this muttey. How can Peter and Jude be quoting from a book to denounce the book? Does that sound right to even you?

So you author a book and have someone write the forward or abstract and then you now say you dont beleive in the persons opinion? Or you write your thesis and reference another author who has done same work on what you writing and say you dont beleive in the work you referenced?

My man, are you serious?

MuttleyLaff:
So you now all of a sudden now want to discuss facts erhn? OK, stop ranting and raving now then, lets get down to it and discuss a few facts in BoE then straightaway. Let's have you the opportunity to shine, be on centre stage and become a gobuchinny BoE star, lol, bwahahaha.

"^7:10Then they took wives, each choosing for himself; whom they began to approach, and with whom they cohabited; teaching them sorcery, incantations, and the dividing of roots and trees.
^7:11And the women conceiving brought forth giants
^7:12Whose stature was each three hundred cubits. These devoured all [which] the labor of men [produced]; until it became impossible to feed them;"
- The Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12

"¹And they took wives for themselves and everyone chose for himself one each. And they began to go into them and were promiscuous with them. And they taught them charms and spells, and they showed them the cutting of roots and trees.
²And they became pregnant and bore large giants. And their height was three thousand cubits."
- The Book of Enoch. Chapter 7:1-2

1/ Is the Book of Enoch outrightly and plain for the eye to given a mention anywhere in the Bible, as in meaning the word BoE was speeled out?
2/ In the Ethiopic version of the book of Enoch 7:10-12, in it, it is said, the height of the born baby giants were three hundred cubits, that is the length of one and of a half football field pitch, whilst other versions, like of the The Book of Enoch Chapter 7:1-2, actually say they are three thousand cubits hence making the born baby giants to be as high as a 45-story building. Where or whether it is 300 0r 3000 cubits, I dont care. I just want to know, is this fact or fiction, lol. More than a football pitch length baby? Babies as high as a 45-storey building? Somebody help a brother out here, lol.
3/ Everyone knows there is only one Bible but multiple translation versions, but with the Book of Enoch, apart from the lost first century book, there are actually three different Book of Enoch and not three translation version, they dont even compliment each other, like bible translations do. Is it because BoE is a work of fiction and not factual, lol?

gobuchinny, nwanne, I have more facts I'll like you to face up to but lets just let you first deal with these simple easy first three facts or fiction. lol. bwahahaha.

You have tried severally to shoot down this books and each time you r also shooting down the conventional bible because it's the same Spirit. Acts 22 vs 9 Paul's account of His conversion and Acts 9 vs 7, the regular account contradicts themselves. The first says that the people with Paul did not hear any voice that spoke to Paul but the other states that the People heard but saw none. My friend you must understand that these scripture were written by Holy men and sometimes when handed down from generations, there r rewritten or translated, there r bound to be mix ups. These are after all historical events that are reported by men. Even the voice of God speaking to Israel is an historical event . Any baby christain reading acts will say the bible is fake as y the contradiction but mature beleivers understand via the Holy Spirit that man has flaws but God does not . You dont read the letter nwanne but the Spirit. The letter killeth as its killing you now but the Spirit giveth life

Furthermore one of the accounts in either Matthew or mark I cant recall states the account of the prophet that was killed of old but falsely states him as the son of another Zechariah which bible scholars acknowledged was a mix up because that account of the scripture if taken was impossible as that zechariah the bible says was not killed with a saw. It clearly connotes the human error but are we to throw away my the baby with.......

Yes there r different versions of the BOE but only one authentic which is the one myself and @okcornel have been quoting. It wont take much for a Spirit filled beleiver to read all and decipher which one is dung. It further proves that the devil is working hard to deceive people into not reading the book . Because were there r fakes, there must of certainty be an original. These is also applicable to the book of Jasher but any spirit filled beleiver quickly knows the real book of Jasher and mocks the others cause it's like a joke. That y you have the Holy Spirit my friend, or dont you have him?

my friend there is nothing you wanna say to accuse that book that wont fall also on the conventional word as it's written with the same Spirit of prophecy.

Still waiting for fact sir as all you have said have been thrashed out here with further biblical proofs.

@okcornel if Peter was lying about the Angel's that sinned then he was also lieing about everyother thing he listed along with the chronology. It then means, there was no flood and that Sodom and Gomorrah is probably now America and Great Britian as there were never destroyed.

The word of God is Final. We cannot add to it nor is it of any private interpretation. It was breathed by God and is an authority. We r not to privately interpret the word of God but to take it as Thus saith the Lord. If we ever find ourselves trying to explain away fooliness when the word CLEARLY states something, it means we are proud and are taking the place of God.

If I recall, the person that did that initially was Lucifer . Were he magnified himself against God and says his better than God . I will forever follow the bible and not men. If the bible says that some Angels sinned then angels sinned. No questions and no interpretations . We r soldiers of the cross and the word is the constitution. It cannot be altered or privately explained as the explanations are plain for all to see.

Its these private explanations of the word that has led us in this mess we have now in Nigeria. Where all manner of men rise up on the name of God to interpret scriptures as they feel forgetting that there had been a doctrine before them. The same doctrine all Christians must follow. Paul said he had preached ALL the gospel. So you and I can never have any new revelation . What ever the Spirit tells us must be in conformity with the word of God. If you see Yeshua, whatever He tells you just be in alignment with the word.

But here we have authorities, and gods unto themselves who can sit in the comfort of their rooms and stand on their altars and declare bold things against God. And shake their fists at the Almighty. . Like God is not wise whereas the foolishness of God is wiser than men . Like God cannot think for Himself. Like God is subject to me and is at the mercy of men . God has been in charge and is still in charge of earth and sees all the pride and folly of men that claim to be God.

The foundations of the Lord stand the sure..........

@okcornel did you notice 2 peter 2 vs 4 -7. How Peter wrote of historical events . He started with the Angel's that sinned and were reserved in hell for judgement on the last day, and then spoke about the overthrow of man with the flood, and lastly Sodom and Gomorroh.

Also notice how he started from the earliest of the stories . To the most recent. Firstly, the angel that kept not their first estate and sinned during the time of Jared, Enoch's grandfather . Then the overthrow of the world as we had it then during Noah's time and lastly the roasting of Sodom and Gomorroh during the time of Abraham.

The writer is very vast in historical events as he laid it down chronologically and tactically.

OkCornel:





Gobuchinny, see someone speaking from both sides of the mouth. According to him, God didn't cast any angel into hell, but at the same time...all of the "66 books" including 2 Peter 2 and Jude were inspired by God...

Lemme keep on watching more comedy unfold here...

The guy is not a christain . Someone that thinks his better than Peter . A gentile like you and me that were lost and going astray that were drafted in suddenly wants to become an authority in christianity. Salavtion that you had to learn about. That was not local to us na em baba want turn authority even to the point to rewriting the bible

I laugh at these guys who beleive they know better than the apostles that laid the foundations. Alot of these beleifs emanates from carnal mindedness. Because they beleive the lies and books of their pastors which breeds carnality. They believe the books their pastors in gold write and are happy reading it but the BOe that is filled with spiritually food they cant discern . Dame book that points you to God and His son and tells you to remove yourself from carnality and vanity. Same thing God has been saying through out all generations.

Baby christain everywhere whose mind cant eat the meat of the gospel but are hooked on milk and crumbs. Same folk that beleive sons of God are children of Oduduwa and beleive fornication is not sin.

Instead of being humble and learn, the truth is strange to them. They r reprobate that think they can change the laws of God. Just imagine where someone is saying Peter and Jude dont know what they were saying quoting the beliefs of a book he claims to have read but cant comprehend .

How else do I show I beleive in a matter than to quote either beliefs from that book or verbatim like Jude.

His talking about Paul quoting greek writers. Not knowing that any fool can quote moral laws. You dont have to be a christain to agree with an atheist that says racism is bad . If I agree with the atheist does it mean I'm an atheist? But if I quote the traditional beliefs not moral beleifs then it proves I agree with the atheist that there is no God. America is not Gods own country, let's not deceive ourselves yet they have laws that acknowledge the human being and makes live easy for their citizens. Does it now mean they r governed by God. Morals laws have been in existence since creation even Hammurabi had laws before Israel, does it mean God copied them? Hammurabi that was a pagan wicked King from babylon

Peter didnt quote moral beleifs of the BOE but quoted traditional beliefs about Angel's sinning and being held in a hell till judgement . How is it that people cannot see that? It baffles me how peoples minds have been blinded to apostasy and being reprobates and enemies of God. For they claim to be smart but are really dull of understanding.

@okcornel my brother. I no get strength for this discuss oo. Me I want someone that is not blind to facts and can discuss intelligently. Besides I have always stated my stand. If you no like the BOE, abeg leave am for us. I'm not advocating for anyone to read the book as it's not scripture as we have it. The 66 books are enough and will lead anyone who truly reads it to eternal life which is the aim of all these books

MuttleyLaff:
Each one of the 66 books, making up the Bible, are given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes, not and never the accursed BoE.

GOD is not asking yours or my opinion about His word, because God wants us to face are facts, deal with genuineness, goodness and truthfulness

gobuchinny, we learn something new about God everyday

Dont just say that God has said something. Show it now, show where in the bible, God or any other person for that matter, mentioned that the BoE is scripture

That is their destiny gobuchinny.

I pity the generation of indomie and banana island christians too, so makes at least two of us that pity them

Smh, gobuchinny, remember, I previously typed that, I quote from the Quran, but it doesnt mean I quote from the Quran because I believe or know it is a God breath book inspired work of God. I also added that, similar applies to Peter and Jude, they quoted from the accursed BoE, not to endorse it but making a point with the references to the text in it they used.

Now let me clear more and properly. Apostle Paul wrote more than half of the 27 books, epistles and letters that make up the New Testament. Guess what gobuchinny. Apostle Paul quoted pagan unbelievers philosophers in those at least 13 books, epistles and letters written by him. Yes, he quoted Seneca, Epimenides, Menander, Plato, Socrates, Aristole and Aratus

Just as with Peter and Jude quoting the BoE, not for the purpose of endorsing it but used for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousnes against the false teachers, so Apostle Paul too wasnt supporting any of the pagan unbelievers philosophers he quoted from, but instead was using their material he quoted from in his work of defending and spreading the gospel.

I can give you a long list, but because of time, will limit it to just two short examples. Apostle Paul, in Acts 17:28 and 1 Corinthians 15:33 quotes from two pagan unbeliever philosophers writers, Aratus and Menander. That Acts 17:28b, where Apostle Paul says, "As some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also his offspring'", actually had the line taken from the Phaenomena of Aratus and of course Aratus is the name of the pagan unbeliever poet he did not mention, lol.

The 1 Corinthians 15:33 "Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners" was lifted and copied by Apostle Paul from Thais, a work done by pagan unbeliever writer called Menander, who supposedly had earlier quoted from another person called Euripides, a pagan unbeliever scholar, lol.

Why dont you just show where in the 66 books of the bible, he books of Enoch is mentioned. It's either you put up or shut up.

"The wicked have told me fables: but not as thy law."
- Psalm 119:85

No sire, get away from me shaitan!. We are warned not to give heed to Jewish fables, to pay no attention to Jewish myths and have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales. Praise God. Alleluia.

You're more confused than a fart let loose on the production line floor of fan making factory. Only God can help you

You're making whistling noises and to make it worse, doing it in the wind.

Do you know what a boomerang is, huh?. If you do, then watch yourself, and choose your words, choose them carefully whenever and wherever it involves MuttleyLaff because boomerangs recoils on the originator.

I am this much close to about resigning myself to the fact you're a lost cause where this matter of the BoE is concerned

Your case is pathetic sir . See you quoting confusion upon urself. So a man quotes or references a book doesnt give you enuff sense that he believes in the book. PAUL was addressing the athenians and trying to merge their pagan beleifs to the only true God. He said some of of their poets and worship have been to an unknown God now his here to declare the God. That before God overlooked but that now He wants to reconcile the whole world. Was has that got to do with quoting from their book? Arastus was a pagan beleiver, enoch was a jew. Abi dont you know he was? . He quoted menander in moral talk not in historical events bro. Pls stop twisting the gospel. Hope you know that the Jews were not the only nation with a law. Have you heard of hammurabi? His laws are older than the Jewish laws and you will find similar laws esp on marriage, crime and punishment etc. Does it mean God copied King Hammurabi? "Evil communication corrupts good manners" no be true. Does Apostle Paul have to say that to know it's TRUE? It's like saying Arisyotle said does who cannot work should not eat and if Yeshua says the same thing does it mean that he endorsed or copied from Aristotle? But and if Yeshua states from their greek mythology of how Zeus married Aros then that can be said to be an endorsement of their pagan beliefs.

It's very different from endorsing a belief system like what Jude and Peter did in talking about the Angel's punished. Oga answer me. Was Peter drunk when he spoke about Angel's getting punished? Or was he hallucinating? Who were the Angel's? Who tied them up till judgement? If Paul had quoted the gentiles pagan beleifs system in their God Zeus or picked a historical event of greek mythology of how cronus or Uranus were born them we would say he endorsed the greek myths.

Ave tried severally to inform you but you r stiff necked my friend. You r too smart for yourself. Smarter than God .

You have become a judge of the law and not a doer. Continue brotherly. When we all meet the true judge then we would all weigh our actions and thoughts. I beleive it's the same you dat said something about fornication rite? .

I choose the words of God over your words bro. No offence. Those scriptures of Jude and Peter clearly quotes from the what the BOE spoke about what else do you need?

Even Paul spoke of gentiles been grafted into the olive branch as we r not of the natural branch in Roman's and you r here saying Jewish fabbles. Even Yeshua said salvation is of the jews abi is Yeshua from your village? Be humble and learn. Stop being wise. You cannot know more than the person/people that laid the foundation . There r d ones that will tell you the type of structure to put up else the building no matter how high or fine will collapse.

Learn and dont add or remove from scripture bro. Let's forget about the BOE since that a stumbling block to your understanding of scrpiture but atleast comprehend that Jude and Peter beleived that some Angel's left their first estate, some angels sinned, some angels were mubished and reserved till judgement. If you cannot see that then you are clearly apostate and lost and a judge of the law. Maybe you should then write your own bible.

My last comment on this with you. I dont dispute these things with men who clearly lack spiritual understanding but always trying to be smart. Using carnal understanding for spiritual discuss. Like I said if no be you I no go talk. If you like read BOE if you no like leave am. It's not the gospel as the bible is snuff. But for matured sons, it's a gold mine

MuttleyLaff:
Nwanne, kedu, long time until recent, how bodi nau?

It is providence, it is good that you yielded to God's will and responded

My balls were given me by God, and I forever thank Him for them. Nwanne please show where , if not from the BoE, that God at anytime cast any Angel's in hell. Asides 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 which other bible advanced the idea that God at anytime cast any Angel's in hell.

gobuchinny, I quote from the Quran, but it doesnt mean I quote from the Quran because I believe or know it is a God breath book inspired work of God. Similar applies to Peter and Jude, they quoted from the accursed BoE, not to endorse it but making a point with the references to the text in it they used

gobuchinny, God appointed only certain number of men to be writers. As a matter of fact, 40 men wrote the entire God's Word, that is the 66 books, making up the Bible. It will interest you to know gobuchinny, that Enoch was not one, among any of the 40 men writers inspired by God to write. Enoch, just never put pen to paper talkless write anything called the book of Enoch

What exactly and contextually was the book of 2nd Peter tackling and talking about now gobuchinny, hmm? You go school now, you sabi read, you at least are literate enough to be able to point out the true intentions of the two authors, Peter andJude, and analyze the whole context of their letters, the parallels or similarities

"I also tell you that you are Peter, and on this Rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell will not prevail against it.
(i.e. meaning upon this Rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it."
- Matthew 16:18

gobuchinny, do not let the BoE get you in a reading slump, lol. Matthew 16:18 above and this is all, I'll for now, will say to your comment here, lol.

"Agbẹdọ" loosely translated means, God forbid bad thing

gobuchinny, MuttleyLaff will rather stay true in the darkness of the book of Enoch and be humble in the spotlight of revealing what an accursed book the BoE is

The book of Enoch is a case of res ipsa loquitur, meaning the thing, the evidence speaks for itself, lol. Look at the slanders in the book now, the contrary to reason and/or common sense, the utterly absurd, ridiculous and impossicants in the BoE.

C'mon now gobuchinny, dont be in denial. Dont deny any of these which are very obvious to see now. Living in denial, only makes accepting the truth about the accursed BoE that much harder.

You and I are in no position to debate NT scripture. we are not jews but stinking gentiles that were grafted into the olive tree Roman's 11. WE are all gentiles and the testament was not ordained by us but handed over to us by the apostles. People dont understand that as God used Moses to hand over the law He used the apostles to hand over the law . Could you have said the law was not of God if you were born in Israel during the old testament era?The apostles were jews and of the stock af Abraham who had the real religion. . If you and I were born during the Roman or grecian period or other empires we would be classified as gentiles. Not capable of being priests of God or even knowing God. Condemned to God's wrath . The NT teaching is a doctrine my friend. GOD is not asking your option about it. Its already been handed down. In fact do you know we are to remind ourselves of the doctrine. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. There is nothing new under the sun so there is no new revelation or doctrine. ALL has been revealed and the book written, sealed and binded for these last days of wrath .

The apostles letters were scriptures . Reading your post I shake my head because your post reeks of rebellion . Were God has said something and you want to redefine it. You twist scriptures or claiming scripture is not scripture like as if you were there or consulted when it was written. These are men that Yeshua chose to champion the NT covenant, men that hazard their lives for the gospel. I. These generation of indomie and banana island christians. . Bros me I no get strength but any discerning beleiver sees from your post your arrogance in belittling the order God has kept in place. If you cannot take ALL the NT letters as scripture then I dont think you are a Christian bro . ALL scripture is inspired by God. GOD speaks through men and im sure as these men wrote they knew it was scripture.

You must understand that the ancient jews believed in the Angel's as all their literacy and beliefs reeks of it. The ancient jews had the books of Enoch, books of Jashers and other books. If you read other Jewish sources you will see writings about the beleifs systems. Sir dont you know that you shouldn't be asking what is believed now by the jews but what they beleive then because after all they r the custodians of the true religion which we all key into now. Even Yeshua said salvation is of the Jews.

Didnt the bible say in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall.......For scripture to be scripture y should it be written to us more than once . For me if 2 different NT scripture talks about something, that's enough proof abi how many times did they write that God created Lucifer or that Daniel dwelt in Babylon?

The problem we have in christianity now is men disrespecting the order and wanting to establish their own order. They leave and abandon the foundation laid by the apostles and want to build another. Christians are not humble to carry on the doctrine whereas Paul told Timothy to pass on what he has learnt to the elders . It's not your own christianity, its God and He has communicated the doctrine to the apostles whose names are found as the foundations of heaven in Revelations abi is it me and your name or pastors names that are the foundations of heaven?

Bro be careful as I preserve you are in the valley of total rebellion and blasphemy with God .

Even if you r smarter, stronger, wiser than all humans, you are not smarter........than God. HE HONOURS HIS WORD MORE THAN HIS NAME. THE QUESTION IS, WHICH WORD?

MuttleyLaff:
My friend, God did not at anytime yet cast any angel anywhere down to any hell, and/or hasnt delivered anyone into any chains of darkness, to be reserved into judgement. This is a traditional story popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated by any other bible verse except for 2 Peter 2:4 or Jude 1:6 and these two 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6 verses were lifted from the BoE, which , the BoE is never attributed to be scripture because it is an uninspired, not God breath accursed book.

It is the BoE and Jewish fables that popularised the concept of angels being sons of God, having sexual intercourse with female human beings, impregnating and marrying them. This is just lies, slander and a terrible figment of imagination

The bible, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, never, says the sons of God are angels. It does however points the sons of God to be human beings. The BoE doesnt do or say human beings are sons of God because it is a book full of old wives' tales and beliefs that are incorrect.

Oh oh, someone's woke, lol

Praise God. Alleluia. lol

Thank you Abba.

My friend,

I would not have responded but I remember we have our gentle man talk all this while. For you to say God did not at anytime cast any Angel's in hell is to contradict the spoken word of God. I just say you have some balls to stand against HIS WORD. Remember that the bible says that God honors His word more than His name. God is a writer Himslef as everything is written down and He has scrolls Himself. Everytime He visits a man He tells Him to write. Presently if you claim to serve God and dont have a notepad, I question your service.

5hat been said, human think there are smarter than God. Imagine you contradicting the bible directly. Saying that God did not when he clearly did. The book of 2nd Peter clearly states so abi is Peter apostate also??. See, even the poeple that canonized the 65 books would have left off the books and added their own accursed catholic books but for the fact that God preserves His word. Or you think the canon was in the favour of Chriatians? Dont you know the history of the Church and the incursion of Satan to truncate Christianity which is a wind fall of what you now see in the society because truly the christain doctrine has been infiltrated by demons.

Dont be proud my friend. God has been in charge of the earth. Nothing escapes Him. If the sun can shine everyday then He knows how to preserve His own words. The Boe is authentic. It points you to the One true God and His son Yeshua. It points you to eternal life not carnality like the books your pastor authors which you love.

DONT PLAY GOD MY MAN. BE HUMBLE AND LEARN. YOU ARE BUT A MAN THAT WILL PASS AWAY AND THE WORD REMAINS. THERE HAVE BEEN SCRIBES OF THE LORD SINCE CREATION. THE JEWS WERE A MODEL OF THE LOVERS OF GOD SINCE CREATION. IT DOSNT START WITH THE PRESENT JEWS BUT IT STARTED WITH CREATION. THE FIRST LANGUAGE WAS HEBREW NOT MINE/YOUR VILLAGE LANGUAGE


Peace

OkCornel:
I would still like to see where God, or Jesus or the Apostles limited the words of God to a set of books.

I'm still baffled as to why people think the God of all flesh who has been in existence since forever can suddenly have His words limited to a collection of books. Perhaps that is man creating God in their own image...rather than the other way round.

My friend 2peter 2 vs 4 2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved into judgement.

I wonder what these guys who say sons of God r sons of oduduwa think of this. Angel's that SINNED. And delivered them and cast them into hell and chains of darkness. The same thing BOE says.

So my question. What sin did d Angels commit and which Angels??. Because if u say Lucifer, well lucifer ain't in hell and ain't chained becuz d devil WALKETH to and fro hell...NO!!!. to and fro the earth. .

You guys should circumcise ur hearts. You cannot explain God entirely and Yes, you are not smarter than Elohim

If humans can preserve carnal useless knowledge that perish with the reading. How much more the Words of eternal life

NeutralNigerian:
Its very clear in the scriptures, Suffer not a witch to live, If you allow the devil to use you,you have yo die, I don't have powers to cast the devil out of you, but I have the power to cast you out of the devil.

Rubbish post. R y sure you r a christ follower or you practice Judaism? Which doctrine r y following? Christ or your village high priest?

Slawormir:
Damnnnnn

Those shit don't work on real niggarrrz

And real niggarrrz don't believe in those shit

I'm almost certain that you r already hooked in the nose by what you claim not beleive .

There r spirits and the world is very wicked my friend. The earlier you realise that the better.

Cover your head in Yeshua. Dont be lukewarm not believing in anything. It's too dangerous to walk barefoot in this world full of rocks and stones.

Give your life to Yeshua and be protected from this present evil

emsco:
Twitter and cooked up stories. Why can't they use the jazz to get top men like Adenuga, Otedola, Dangote and the rest?

You think does men you mentioned walk carelessly? People underestimate the power of the spiritual. Those men you mentioned have higher powers that those girls powers r learners .

Beleive me bro, the spiritual is realer than the physical. We r to careless in this generation. You r either hot or cold but dont be lukewarm. In a war, those caught up in the middle are usually the first casualties.

Be wise and give your life to Yeshua and be a very good good guy or be a very good bad guy not a very careless good guy or a very careless bad guy.

The world is full of wicked spirits

bereanway:
I will start with this, and then you can reason with me. The Bible says we should pray for our enemies; but the question comes, what kind of enemies should we pray for? are they just normal enemies that hate us or those that persecute us or satanic enemies? What prayer should you pray for your unrepentant village head witch that has killed over hundred people and is still a witch or an occultic ritualist using young pupils for money? should it be prayers of blessings?

Someone said "nobody will kill him and repent". Let me ask you! If someone has killed six of your relatives, and does not want to repent, and of which you know that about five of them died as sinners, should you pamper that enemy? Forgive. But what if the enemy is unrepentant and continues killing people?. should we pamper enemies that increase the population of hell fire? should we pamper enemies that do not want to repent until they have killed 200 people?

Does this make sense? giving a hardened and unrepentant enemy that is killing people the time lag to repent, and if he or she does not repent from killing, he or she should die.

Note: If an enemy kills you and repents, he will be forgiven. But if you die unprepared, you go to hell fire.

Please ask God how to pray for your enemies, and what type of prayer for various types of enemies

God does not pardon innocent people who died as sinners and who were killed by enemies..


Preach to those heartless enemies, but if they do not repent from strong wickedness, they can meet Satan their father by the judgement of the police/military..

This is a very unbiblical post. You guys fail to realise that we are in the new testament era. "We wrestle not against flesh and blood but against."......"for the weapons of our warfare are not carnal.......". Yeshua says pray for your enemy. Abeg wetin enemy mean again? Which one is different types of enemy. He said pray for those that persecute you...even Stephen before they killed him prayed for his killers, Yeshua did same and it was common practice for the early martyrs. Paul says do good to your enemies that it's like heaping coal on them. Any other doctrine is demonic and unscriptural which is what this post is

The issue is Christian's now are to carnal and are like salt that has lost its savor. If truly you r a lover of God you wont be having village people chasing you. God will take care of those things if you r on fire for God. Can you imagine a village head killing Yeshua or Paul or Peter? Iz becos we are lukewarm and dont love God hence all this useless fall down and die prayers.

Lovers of God dont pray for people to die but God has the discretion on when to kill wicked people as I beleive in judgement and killing is part of judgement for evil unrepentant blood suckers but it's not in your place but Gods decision. Your own is to serve Him and do His commandments which includes praying for your enemies

The best thing is to be serious with God and you wont even know you have enemies . The enemy is irrelevant if we focus on the word. GOD never told Adam about the devil and his tricks but only gave him the word for Adam to obey. Obedience is better than sacrifice. Obey the word esp the NT and see how God makes you d apple of His eye

Praivit0:
I don't dabble into other books that aren't part of the 66books of the Bible, however I must categorically say that when christianity started there was nothing like the 66books. The compilation was made by theologians. There were other epistles in the early church like those of Barnabas and co, do we then call Christians of that era who believed in such epistles heretic.

Ones salvation shouldn't be judged by wether the person believes in the book of Enoch or not but in the belief of the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus Christ and the acceptance of Jesus as Lord and saviour.

Believing in other books like book of Enoch doesn't make one a heretic. Let's not be stereotypical as Christians.

Let's be guided by the Spirit of Christ and not by assumption and opinions of people who condemn what they haven't read. Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgement.

Very mature poster . Some people dont know that the early christains didnt have the bible in 66 books like we have it now but they were independent books of their own which were read separately and never collectively. The truth really hurts and for some people it shakes their whole world and beliefs systems hence the rubbish belief that the sons of God were the children of Seth . That part just makes me LOL wheneva I think of it . Just negodu nonsense reasoning even after overwhelming scriptural evidences that proves otherwise. The human mind hates truth and is always comfortable in deceits and lies just like a pig is comfy in the mud that even when you wash and bathe it in truth it still returns to the mud and filth of lies . Me I no go enter mud with anybody. If you like make sons of God be children of Okonkwo or Oduduwa na u sabi or if you say the BOE was written in hell or in ogbomosho, na you sabi. Me I will forever be making reference to the book and will teach my children. Come and beat me

Maamin:


My brother this people will twist anything in the scripture just to fix in their erroneous teaching. How can Jude be warning against Enoch's writing when in fact he was acknowledging it ? Truth is has been made plain right before them. Pride and ego won't let them accept it.

Honestly I have zero patience for people who talk Ill about this glorious book of Enoch. I dont try and convince them either because it's not necessary to read it as the bible as we have is enough for any beleiver to grow and be fully mature. I also beleive that the bible MUST first be read and understood before delving into the BOE. But for any matured son of God the book is very informative and strengthens faith because it fills in the gaps neatly about the historical occurances of the world and fallen Angel's. Same fallen Angel's the world believes in and have even perverted by Hollywood lies. It's the same fallen Angel's some 'christians' wont beleive because of their harden and uncircumcised heart .

Imagine foolishness of saying sons of God r children of Seth . What a joke. Me I dont argue with folks whose minds are not open to learn but are like a flint that is cast on rock.

Keep it up @okcornel.

toaterry:


God will grant you the grace to buy one.

Whixh one is grace to buy car again . Ordinary car wey even person wey no get grace dey buy na em God go grant you grace to buy? So even if you then buy d car that means God has blessed you abi?

Nigerians and religion. D thing dey taya person

Auxtin85:
Me get huge sexual libido, my sex drive na Ferrari

Be mindful bro. Ferrari sef dey crash.

BLEMOSEDU:

Most of these your curses are gibberish, the truth is no one has absolute knowledge of how the universe came about

People that dont know are those who refuse to study. Even when they do, they question what their tiny minds cant understand. Imagine explaining the internet to the generation of ROME .

What ever makes you sleep at night bruv. Make every man answer em name. Besides, I didnt curse anyone

LordReed:


Utter tripe, just chock full of superstitious nonsense and mythological bullshit. Not even worth a proper response for all its lengthy bullcrap.

I am living my life without your god and your devil can't do shít because they fictional characters in your deluded worldview.

I said I wont respond but cant help to ignore foolishness from a child. YOU WONT BE THE FIRST NEITHER THE LAST TO BLASPHEME GOD. Weather you have been to Russia or not, the fact is it exists . Your portion is determined. BE AFRAID. BE VERY AFRAID FOR THIS IS THE LAST DAYS . Men will fall like rain. Lives will be wasted. Disasters, earth quakes and other natural disasters. Plane crashes, automobile crashes and other man made disasters .The time is short my friend. I'm smiling as I type this. The time is short. After death, there is no other chance. life is soooooo short . 100 years? That In itself is short. Will you get to 90?

ETERNITY IS TO LOONG TO BE WRONG.

No more comments from here bruv. Enjoy ur life while you have it. Then you will know when you die that d life you had, you did nothing to contribute to your having it. You were formed like a porter forms a pot

LordReed:


When you see a car parked outside your gate you know it was a human being parked it out there because you have only ever experienced a human being driving and parking cars. You have never experienced a dog or cat or any other nonhuman drive and park cars. If dogs, cats and humans can all drive and park cars, would you be certain it was a human that parked the car or would you wonder which one of the 3 capable agents did it? In our human experience we have nothing to compare any actions between what we call natural and the acts of a god. It usually leads to people like you indulging in a god of the gaps fallacy, inserting your favourite mythological characters in spaces where we lack knowledge.



Is there only one father or president or premiership jersey in the whole world? So why would you believe there is only one god? Our earth is insignificant compared to the universe and yet there are at least 500 million fathers on our planet atm. Then in a universe of billions of planets we should believe there is only one god? Why does your intuition get kwashiorkor when it comes to that?



Actually it's the height of delusion to assume that your intuition is 100% accurate in face of a lack of evidence. You delude yourself into thinking there is a magic sky daddy in the nebulous place you call heaven. A place you have no evidence of but can describe and believe your description to be 100% accurate. If you can't see how utterly arse backward that is then you only prove the point that you are utterly deluded.

. Your comments made me laugh loud. Like I said I dont indulge atheist but why NOT!!

Your first point. Y cant it be a dog that parked d car? Have you seen dogs drive? As strong as man is, dont you c d limitations? Man in all his strength struggles to make life better for themselves yet die like everyother thing. Like a dog, a cow, even the trees, man dies like every other being. Man does not have power over death. Can you be in America and dictate what happens in Lagos? Man is limited, it shows there r other forces . Have you seen evil? Hmm. If you have worked in the armed forces and see d wickedness of man, you will agree that there is a DEVIL. You see a man and see the embodiment of a devilish/wicked force because the things this man does even you and me as wicked as we are cannot imagine ourselves doing such

You asked if there is one president or premiership of the whole world? bros but there is one world naaaa. Every nation or premiership club acts as one world. ONE WOLRD ONE GOD. even the premiership has one FA BOSS. The presidents have one EU boss or AU boss. These r institutions of men which proves that a man can preside over a people so y is it strange that one God can do same.

If you were a reader you will understand that the ancient people who did great things and who are still studied till today understood the essence of a God. We r lazy in this generation because we are at ease . Internet, cars, planes, things are easier for this generation so they have forgotten the God factor but d issue in ancient civilization was not if there was a God but which is the true God . There all understood that they is a supreme being in charge of the cosmos, something this generation does not understand.

Bros like I said, you and I dont ave words together. What agreement has the temple of God with foolishness. I have no issue with you for I beieleve it's only weak and foolish men that say there is no God

Even the movers and shakers of this temporal world know that there is a Heavenle being tho their opinions r distorted hence the cults and satanic beliefs. In a war, the people that gets cut up first are the lukewarm people. Those who dont know that there is a war. People like urself who dont understand the happenings of the world before they were born. For everyone born into a family must understand the workings of that particular family for it will be foolishness to assume the family started with the birth of urself. There is a history.

Read and understand the world you are born into . A FOOL SAYS IN HIS FOOLISH HEART THERE IS NO GOD. can the police come to your house and say you are not the owner of your household. That you kidnapped your wife and children? Wont you laugh them to scorn? God laughs at the foolishness of men who shake their hands at Him and says there is no God. . My last comment to you. I have no time for athestist as they are weak, foolish and unintelligent . I studied science in the university and have learnt that science is subject to God. For science explains the act of God without acknowledging Him . The laws of gravity, Newton's laws? principles? Who set these laws? Who initiated these principles?

DNA was discovered by Watson and Creek but does it mean there was no DNA since inception? There r millions of microbes in the human physiology yet these microbes were discovered when? Does it mean they were not there all along?

These world is full of spirits . Weather you see them ot not is ur business . Dont be foolish. Hide your head under God. The world is evil and will get worse

My last comment brother. Enjoy your life. . You and I are not in the same school of thought. You r meat for the devil in this world. Your end will be sad and destructive because you know not the God of Israel . You r a statistic in this world . And when your miserable life ends . Your knees will blow to the Yeshua. The Son of Man. . For no matter how hardened a criminal is, when he is sentenced to imprisonment or death, he is humbled and no matter how he resists the sentence, it must be carried out. This is in the operation of men, what about the operation of the spirits where you have no power . For when you sleep, your emotions and will are irrelevant as sleep over powers you and the dream of your head you cannot influence

LordReed:


This is called wuruwuru to the answer. First, you need to demonstrate that a god exists. Then you need to show there is only one of its kind, before you now detail how you know it is this specific Jewish and Christian claimant.

I really dont have time to explain nothing brother. I dont join issues with atheist. But lemme indulge you as I have some seconds.

Firstly do I need to prove to you God exists? If I ask your spouse or mother to prove to me you exists, what do you think dey will day? They will point to the things that you have done or do regularly. Eg they will say look his bed is laid, his car is parked outside, or see he withdrew from his account. Do you see a car parked outside your gate and say nobody parked it there? That the car evolved from a bicycle and the bicycle evolved from a log of tree?. The proofs of God are all around us if we r critical thinkers. Even the fathers of science acknowledged that science explains the process and how things works but never the origin . Can you sincerely look at the sun rising everyday and think it does it on it's own? Even in our lives, when there is law and order, dont we assume someone or an institution made it so?

Nature itself shows the existence of a God. The mountains, the solar system . Dont you think they is a great designer? Just like how you see a beautiful car or house and not assume there is a designer.

As regards if there is one God or multiple gods. That simple, how many presidents can be in a nation per time? How many MDs or CEOs in a organisation? Can we have two husbands/heads of the family in one nuclear family?. Life itself shows us that the evidences of duplicates or frauds shows us that there is always an original. Do you beleive that in Nigeria, few people have seen an original premiership jersey . For the fact that the fakes are awash doesn't mean there is no original .in fact so many fakes look like original.

If you can digest all these and think critically with logic as I didnt try to draw my proofs from theological beliefs but the simple things of life then i will proceed on why the only true God is the God of the Israelites as archaeology and historical events have shown but I expect you to sound like the typical atheist for which I have no patience for because I believe that the height of foolishness and stupidity is to say there is no God in light of the daily proofs.

LordReed:


We must love your god? How does that make sense?

Bros it's not my God but The God. If you look at the universe and indeed the world we live in we will acknowledge that a Supreme being is at work. There is only One True God. With all the religion and gods, there is only one true God. It's your responsibility to find Him .

There r no two presidents in a nation, there r no two CEOs in a company no matter the imposters and frauds. It's the same with God because all flesh shall be judged upon death.

The only True God is the same God of the Israelites who at a time where nations had multiple gods, they had one. It's the same God the sent Yeshua for the remission of sins. So now you know, Worshi0 Him not like these people who say there r Christians but r really the church of satan but you must find this God by yourself because He is not what these people tell us He is. We really do not have true christains as it was indeed, what we have in place of christianity is another religion.

LordReed:
So a loving god's attempt to get your attention is by involving you in a car crash? LMFAO! If it was a human being you'll get them sent for psychiatric evaluation but this delusion allows you to find this acceptable from you magic sky daddy. SMDH while LMFAO.

This man does not know God. These guys live their lives in complete rebellion to God then something like this happens and they calling God. His only lucky to be alive like we all r. His time has not come yet. Na flashing . We all living on borrowed time as the next second is not yours for keeps. We must love God because the days are evil and destruction is looking for who to waste.

Generalwoodz:
Nairaland sef Look at the Time the News is hiting the frontpage...

If its Tacha this, Mercy that and Snake threads na vom!! with speed of light it is already on Frontpage
This news broke out 14hours ago !! if you're looking for News as they break 'fashi' nairaland. The MODs nawa

Quick fact about her.

She is Nigerian First female to Study law upto Ph.D level.. of" Law of Intellectual property"

Good for her @ bolded. Hope all her achievements can save her now. At the end is all vanity and the only thing that matters is your relationship with Elohim. Because now all the achievements even to her will be like cow dung

When faced with life and death . Life doesn't matter again.

Wish you safe return back to your family. Atleast, to live so as to fight for life another day