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SportsRe: Andy Ruiz Splashed $1m On 4 Luxury Cars During His 6-month Reign As Boxing Champ by Godhatesodomy: 5:24pm On Dec 15, 2019
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PoliticsRe: Nnamdi Kanu: Nnia Nwodo Will Lose His Position. Sultan Has 23 Oil Wells by Godhatesodomy: 5:21pm On Dec 15, 2019
Afamed:
Seccesionists are truly propagandists
Sultan Sokoto His Imperial Majesty is the chairman of the council of traditional rulers. May he long live. The holy fathers are the owners of Nigeria and as the chairman Sultan Sokoto must be respected. He must never come under attack by bloggers and traitors hiding safe outside the country.


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Lessons from history.
Christianity EtcRe: We Have Been Lied To The Earth Is Flat And Not A Globe by Godhatesodomy: 4:38pm On Dec 15, 2019
EMILO2STAY:
the flat earth is not a theory it is your reality. If you were not told that the world is round would you have any reason to think it is round.
Why do aircraft pilots assume a flat horizon during their training and when they fly accross the world. If the earth is round?.

I have been playing with you as a jjc. But now I want you to shut up
You are correct the globe is indoctrination.


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CelebritiesRe: For Millenieum The Church Has Been A Homo Factory by Godhatesodomy(op): 11:29pm On Dec 14, 2019
Eddie Long And The Black Church’s Legacy Of Child Sexual Abuse

Jessica McGowan

WRITTEN BY AHMAD GREENE-HAYES

3 YEARS AGO

On Sunday, January 15, Bishop Eddie Long passed away. Long was the prominent Atlanta pastor of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church, which at its height, boasted a congregation of over 25,000. A man of many controversies, Long had been closely scrutinized by the United States Senate for potentially profiting off of his church’s tax-exempt status.

He also came under fire for his homo-antagonistic sermons and his book, Deliver Me From Adam, in which he cloaks homophobia, misogyny and patriarchy in the lexicon of self-help. Long’s quest to cast out the spirit of homosexuality, however, did not stop there. Some have argued that he fathered and pastored a homophobic theological legacy at New Birth. In 2005, for example, he hosted his infamous “Sexual Orientation and Reorientation Conference” to convert LGBTQ Christians into heterosexuals.


Yet Long’s members stood behind him. Although the New Birth Christian Academy closed down, the church doors remained open. Congregants heard these children’s horrifying allegations of sexual abuse and many remained faithful to Long, even as he preached messages condoning homophobia, the subjugation of women and rape culture. In fact, after news of the child sexual abuse allegations surfaced, Long used the Bible to victim-blame and deny all charges in a sermon to his megachurch followers: “I’ve been accused. I’m under attack. As I said earlier, I am not a perfect man. But this thing, I’m gonna fight. . . . I feel like David against Goliath. But I’ve got five rocks and I haven’t thrown one yet.”

As a survivor of child sexual abuse and the son of Black churchgoing women and men, I am appalled by the ways that churches like New Birth create safe space for sexual violence. I am even more disturbed by the silence around rape and molestation, and the ways survivors are mocked and called liars. Meanwhile, abusers escape accountability, often keep their positions of power and manage to gain support as if they are the true victims.

“To be called beloved is not only to shatter the silence, but to get rid of it altogether,” writes Emilie M. Townes in her essay “Washed in the Grace of God.” “We owe one another respect and the right to our dignity as people of God. If we deny justice, we are telling those who go without that they are worthless […] Folk need to hear the church say in a clear and unequivocal voice that sexual and domestic violence are not acceptable behaviors but they are lethal values.”

However, in a world where Bishop Eddie Long can be accused of being a child molester and garner the support of the majority of his congregation, it calls us to question the level to which some of our Black churches truly care about what happens to Black children. As blogger Son of Baldwinobserves, “We love ovum and sperm. We love zygotes and embryos. We even love fetuses. But we do not — no, we absolutely do not — love children.”

Let me be clear, it is not uncommon for child abusers in the church—sexual and otherwise—to be protected by the incessant valorization of the Black male preacher. Long represented much of what the church prizes: fame, fortune and prominence. To see him in any other light than as a “man of God” would mean compromising conservative, prosperity gospel theologies, many of which excuse the church from enacting justice. “God” is characterized as the supreme judge who determines the outcome of all individuals. Long’s followers left him to God for judgment, even as God, like most adults, is regularly a passive bystander when children are sexually abused.

Long’s church continued with business as usual, shouting and dancing week after week to their pastor’s homophobic, sexist and classist interpretation of the gospel. All of which detracted from the severity of the survivors’ testimonies of sexual assault and sent the message that sexual violence within an intracommunal context is status quo and does not warrant the church’s collective action and strides toward justice. Long also used the Bible, one of the leading moral texts of the Western world, to excuse himself of communal accountability. This should not be overlooked. The same Bible that is used against women, LGBTQ individuals and other marginalized identities, was simultaneously used to shame survivors and privilege harm-doers, and the church must acknowledge, as the Rev. Dr. Renita Weems notes, how Biblical text even endorses rape.

Alas, Bishop Eddie Long has passed away and he will soon be funeralized. However, Black church communities cannot bury his troubled past with him. The church—New Birth et al.—must reckon with the Goliath of child sexual abuse and rescue the true Davids, our children, from the perverse and death-dealing realities of molestation, incest and rape.

Ahmad Greene-Hayes is a doctoral student in the Departments of Religion and African American Studies at Princeton University. He also currently serves as an inaugural cohort fellow of the Just Beginnings Collaborative (2016-2018), where his project, Children of Combahee works to eradicate child sexual abuse in Black churches. Follow him @_BrothaG.




And like the Catholic Church and the Jehovah Witnesses and the Baptists the Black church has a legacy of child rape and cover up. Even the LGBT is recognizing the blatant disregard for children yet its clear they both are the same.


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Christianity EtcRe: Not All Humans Are Humans by Godhatesodomy: 11:22pm On Dec 14, 2019
MuttleyLaff:
Instead of, by your account, explain how, Satan possibly fathered Cain, saying "wake up out your slumber", plus pasting worthless YouTube links and lousy pictures upandan the thread is all you do. Mtcheew angry angry angry
Evidence as you provide none yet are armed with an abundant of insults.


A troll.


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CelebritiesRe: For Millenieum The Church Has Been A Homo Factory by Godhatesodomy(op): 10:57pm On Dec 14, 2019
Wednesday, March 24, 2010

The Vatican: A Nation of Sexual Perverts

It seems that the Vatican has been in the news a lot lately. It appears that the Pope was personally involved in a pedophilia cover up. A scandal has broken in Brazil. There’s an international inquiry into a Catholic cult and its sexual-predator leader who was a favorite of John Paul. A Vatican homosexual prostitution ring was exposed. Given the frequency and longevity of these problems, one can be certain there are systematic problems with the Catholic Church and its leadership.

It seems very clear to me that the sexual perversions of the Catholic Church are systematic, of their own making, and that they are powerless to fix them. Let’s take a look at the contributing causes.
Sexual control. The Vatican would like to control everyone’s sexuality. Most people don’t like to be controlled and people will be sexual despite attempts at control. One of the side effects of abstinence-only sex education and virginity pledges, for example, was that teenagers opted for “porn star sex,” to circumvent the control. The Vatican has mandated the missionary position and prohibited condoms for its laity to increase the number of potential future tithers. In the US, most Catholics ignore such mandates. Priests don’t get to ignore the Vatican, so they have to find their outlets somewhere outside the realm of normal sexuality.Guilt. Promoting guilt has been a holy cash cow for the Vatican. Believers are held to an unreasonable standard of being “without sin.” They fail by design and have to confess their sins and receive penance. The mechanism reinforces the guilt and binds the believers closer to the church. The vicious cycle perpetuates with the church gaining control over the believer. When guilt is combined with sexuality, it can become part of the fetish. Forbidden fruit is sweeter and the more forbidden, the better. Promoting guilt about sex has the inevitable consequence of warping sexuality.False hope. A person who is aware he has a problem will gravitate to an institution that purports to have a solution. By promising an omnipotent entity that can solve any problem, the Vatican draws in the people who are most desperate for a “cure.” Such people are most likely to embrace the dogma and blame themselves when it fails. From an outside perspective, it is clear that the Vatican has yet to “cure” anyone.Convenient cover. Positions of authority and trust provide the best cover for someone who should not be trusted. Such a person can abuse the authority while publicly condemning exactly what he is doing in private. If a predator has risen high enough in the ranks, he can even use his authority to ensure he will never be investigated or, if he is, avoid damaging penalties. The recent case of Rev. Marcial Maciel Degollado is just one example.Temptation. Any organization playing a public service role will provide many opportunities for interaction with people who can be easily persuaded to “return a favor.” Service organizations that focus on children are naturally going to attract pedophiles.Abuse of power. By playing the role of “father” and “the representative of God,” priests have a variety of ways of manipulating the victim. Threat of God’s wrath can make a potent silencer. Most victims have already given the church a great deal of control over their lives. It is very difficult to extract ones self from such a web. Even if a victim is steadfast in defending himself or herself, he or she can be bullied by agreeing to be silent in exchange for a payoff. A less powerful organization would not have the luxury of this bullying. Most people who donate to a church are not aware of the percentage of their “charitable donations” are used to perpetuate abuse. Moving abusive priests between churches is an obvious abuse of power. So is actively obstructing investigations, as the Pope has done. He even claimed diplomatic immunity as head of the Vatican to evade a lawsuit.
Evasion of responsibility. The Vatican’s response to the pedophilia scandal has been a long study in the art of responsibility evasion. The Vatican has blamed the victims, gays, the “permissive culture” of the United States, gays again, the devil, and gays. They have whined that the abuse scandal interferes with their “charity work.” They have whined about the cost of reparations and how they can’t afford it and they will go bankrupt. They have insisted that church-state separation allows them to do anything they want without consequences. They have said they were unaware that pedophilia was harmful to the victims. They have blamed the moral character of the priests (deflecting from the systematic cover up). They have pretended to self-police. They have prayed, confessed, and invoked God. They have cried “religious persecution.” They have claimed that other professions have just as many pedophiles. I don’t know of anything they haven’t done or said to deflect responsibility for their problem. The Vatican is quick, however, to make pronouncements about sex or condoms while claiming moral authority from God. Such ballsy displays of hypocrisy should lead to worldwide ridicule – not blind subservience.Complicity of the laity. Despite decades of controversy, Catholic laity still funds the church. Such people clearly care more about magic crackers than their fellow human beings. Non-Catholic Christians have also abetted the crimes of the Catholic Church through the bogus concept of religious tolerance and “thou shalt not judge.” This complicity has meant that the systematic abuses of the Catholic Church in the US have gone largely unpunished by the US legal system. Fortunately, other countriesvalue their citizens above long-standing pedophile rings. Perhaps some justice will come from Europe.Of these eight causes, the first six are intimately tied with the Catholicism. It is unlikely these causes will ever change. The last two are more about how the public responds to the abuse. While the Catholic Church will always be a spawning ground for sexual perversion, public outcry has some potential to limit the power of the Catholic Church and reduce its numbers. There is clearly no God available to clean up their mess, but the proper application of secular laws and lawsuits can go a long way to cleaning up this festering problem and reducing the number of future victims.





The lie about homosexuality that it is consenting adults is the biggest hype ever perpetrated upon the people.


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CelebritiesRe: For Millenieum The Church Has Been A Homo Factory by Godhatesodomy(op): 10:55pm On Dec 14, 2019



ROD DREHER

 

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Dear Lord, what will it take?

Last weekend, a parishioner pulled up to St. Mary Magdalen Catholic Church but drove away before walking into the sanctuary.

The woman decided not to attend Mass, she said, because she could no longer stomach the sight of George F. Brignac, a defrocked deacon who as recently as last month served as a lector at the Metairie church — reading Scripture and announcements — despite years of sexual abuse allegations that prompted his removal from the ministry in 1988.

Brignac, 83, remained in this public role even after the Archdiocese of New Orleans this spring quietly paid more than $500,000 to settle claims that he repeatedly raped an 8-year-old altar boy at Holy Rosary School more than three decades ago.

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Archbishop Gregory Aymond insisted recently that Brignac’s fall from grace had been “very public” and, while not covered by the media, was widely known among church leaders in the 1980s. But it has become increasingly clear that some people didn’t get the memo — or that his defrocking was blatantly disregarded.

Just last month, Brignac stood at a Mass and performed a liturgical ministry in the presence of children, less than three miles from one of the schools where some of his alleged crimes occurred.

“I was outraged that he was still allowed to serve in any capacity in the church,” the St. Mary Magdalen parishioner said, speaking on the condition that her name not be printed. “This is a betrayal. They are not protecting the flock — or our kids.”

An archdiocese spokeswoman, Sarah McDonald, said its leaders were not made aware of Brignac’s role at St. Mary Magdalen until Aymond distributed a letter last month alerting parishioners of the latest sexual abuse allegations against Brignac — a notification the church did not make until two days after The New Orleans Advocate reported on the related six-figure settlement. The story was published about six weeks after the settlement.

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“They asked me if I could read at the Mass — I didn’t do anything other than that,” Brignac said. “I’m a Catholic, and I’ve been close to the church all my life. God is paramount in my life, and everything I’ve done is to help people get closer to God.”

Brignac did not deny touching young boys — “I would not have gone into teaching if I were not attracted to children” — but insisted he never did it “for immoral purposes.” He said a psychologist who treated him years ago determined that he was “asexual.”

“Any actions of intimacy between my students and me — and family and me — have no sexual motive,” Brignac said during a 20-minute interview. “I’m not going to deny that I have touched a child.”

Read the whole thing.  It turns out that in 1980, a police investigation into Brignac was handled by a detective who himself was later exposed and imprisoned as a child predator.


For his part, Brignac said he wishes the alleged victims — and the church — would just “let this die.” He said the mounting allegations are nothing more than a “misinterpretation of my conduct.”

He said the recent news coverage has “ruined” his life and made him afraid to answer the door or venture outside.

“I can’t control the world today,” Brignac said. “These kind of things were not even thought of 25 years ago. They started all that stuff about same-sex marriages, homosexual marriages and all that kind of stupidity. Now it’s coming to attacking the morals of people who are working with young people.”

The elderly child molester is blaming gays for his troubles. Unbelievable. But all too believable.

How can any Catholic parent trust that the institutional Church with the safety of their children? There was a policy in place that should have sidelined Brignac — but it was ignored.

But next time, they’ll get it right, no doubt…

It has been said that a sure sign of corruption is the ability of an institution to recognize its problems, but not to be able to solve them. I am reminded of this passage from the Roman historian Livy, writing at the beginning of the Christian era about the decline of the Republic into Empire:

Here are the questions to which I would have every reader give his close attention —what life and morals were like; through what men and by what policies, in peace and in war, empire was established and enlarged; then let him note how, with the gradual relaxation of discipline, morals first gave way, as it were, then sank lower and lower, and finally began the downward plunge which has brought us to the present time, when we can endure neither our vices nor their cure. [Emphasis mine — RD]

People need the Church more than ever in this post-Christian — increasingly anti-Christian — age, but its leadership in far too many cases is destroying its own credibility. And for what? Who benefits? Seriously, it is a profound mystery. I get who benefits by hiding Uncle Ted’s sexual exploitation, but who benefits from protecting an elderly layman who was defrocked for molesting children?

UPDATE: Unless Brignac knows things that it wouldn’t be convenient for many in the Archdiocesan administration to have revealed, hence keeping him protected and happy. That’s the only reason that makes sense to me. By the way, before some of the usual suspects accuse me of going trolling for stories like this, let me point out that this is big news in south Louisiana this morning.

UPDATE.2: Reader Thomas:

Thank you for posting this, Rod. I read this piece with disbelief this morning, shocked that this man, arrested at least three times and who admits he touched children (but it didn’t mean anything because he is asexual) was still allowed an official role in the Church. As a faithful Catholic and father of three young children, I am at a loss of what to do as a member of a laity. I am not going to leave, but how am I supposed to raise my children in a world full of corruption and filth when the institution defending the Truth does stuff like this?

When will the bishops and parish priests start caring more for Catholics like this reader and his children than they do about enabling perverts like Brignac?

UPDATE.3: Erin Manning:

Justin Katz, I’d like to offer some context for why people are outraged about this, above and beyond the reality that this man seems unrepentant.

I sing in the choir at a small mission church. Our church has just changed from a former child safety program to the one that is run by Virtus (which I think is connected to the USCCB). Every single lay volunteer in the parish must, when our current safety training “expires” (once every three years), take part in a three-hour class covering child sexual abuse: how to spot it, how to report it, what rules are in place to combat it including the “two adults at all times” rules for people with direct contact with children, and so on. We must also give signed permission for the diocese to run a criminal background check on us, provide the names and addresses of a certain number of non-family references, and give all sorts of personal information.

Note well: this is a REQUIREMENT not only for church employment but for all volunteers. You cannot volunteer in any capacity whatsoever in our diocese without taking part in this process, and then renewing the training every three years (and I do hope they will eventually bring back the online option for renewal, because even though it still require a couple hours of watching videos and completing tests based on the videos, and all the forms and paperwork previously mentioned, it is still less difficult than finding an open live three-hour class on a date and at a time you can actually attend).

Again, please note: this is not just for “ministries” that actually involve children, like religious education or altar servers or youth choirs. This is for EVERYBODY who works or volunteers in any way. One parish I know of took it to such extremes that they required parents delivering baked goods for school bake sales to take the full 3-hour class complete with background check (and we’re talking about people dropping off baked goods at a selling location, not people actually doing the selling). Lectors, cantors, EMHCs, ushers, lawn care volunteers–every single person who works as an employee or volunteer in any capacity whatsoever on parish property MUST take this training.

And if anything “pops” in your record, if there are any red flags indicating you’ve ever had a problem with children, if you have a criminal past of any kind, the way the system is supposed to work is that you’re supposed to get a nice, polite, “Thanks, but you don’t qualify for ministry at St. Whatever Parish at this time,” and that’s that.

It’s not because repentant ex-cons can’t be valuable members of a parish, nor is it because volunteering is some kind of prize for the holy (it’s more like working off purgatory a bit early, if you ask me, but that’s another matter). Rather, it’s because in the wake of the Scandal the local dioceses reexamined their practices and policies and decided that it’s more important not to get sued than it is to let some guy convicted of accounting fraud serve on the Parish Finance Committee, even if he’s totally cool with “Thou Shalt Not Steal” now after serving his sentence and whatnot.

And this goes, or should go, double, triple, and quadruple for anybody ever associated with an offense against children. Unlike repentant ex-cons, the number of pedophiles and ephebophiles who actually stop abusing children (apart from during incarceration) is vanishingly small. The elephant in the room at child safety training is that by and large it’s not the average lay lectors we have to worry about, but when a lector is an ex-deacon with a kiddie touching problem there is NO excuse whatsoever for giving him a pass while telling Grandma she’s got to go to another three hour class and sign her background check papers for the eighth time in her long years of parish service during which time she’s never had anything worse than a speeding ticket because she was late for Mass on Daylight Savings Time Sunday two years ago.

In a word, when parish volunteers by the scores who have never and will never harm a child in any way, shape, or form must go through a labyrinthine path of classes and paperwork for the “privilege” of showing up every Sunday to do unpaid work for the parish, it is beyond galling that this gentleman’s atrocious record and present state of arrogant unrepentance gets, apparently, a pass. And if the argument was that maybe the old pastor knew about it but let it go, but the new one doesn’t–well, maybe we do things a bit differently in Texas, but in most places I’ve heard of the “every three years” renewal for the whole safety training-background check thing has become pretty standard, with an “every five years” alternate in some locations that have particular difficulty with the other schedule (I’m thinking remote dioceses with few parishes, maybe).

This simply should not have happened, and the more often it does, the more often the laity throw up their hands and say, “Why am I bothering to go to a three hour class and fill out all this paperwork every three years, when clergy (and ex-clergy) can show up and do anything they want with no repercussions, even when they fail to meet the criteria the rest of us have to meet before we’ll even be permitted to water the altar flowers or sweep the floors?”





Child Predators lurking in churches and they are known predators yet nothing is done about them.



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Godhatesodomy, have you ever heard that silence is better than nonsense, hmm? What you've been asked to do, is show Satan fathered Cain, but what you've done. Nothing, except for regurgitating the above disgraceful indefensible cringeworthy, inexcusable nonsense. angry angry angry

I wonder why you attempt to speak and type, when you dont even yourself, know what you're talking and/or writing about. Smh. Life is too short, its better to walk away than to tolerate the abstract and abject nonsense you've typed, copied and pasted here angry angry angry

If you believe that crap you posted up here and also especially believe in that accursed BoE, then congratulations, you have successfully and in flying colors, passed the stupidity test and you're certified stupid positive 1000 times over angry angry angry
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Christianity EtcRe: Francis Meshioye: Ogboni Fraternity Was Created To Promote Christian Values by Godhatesodomy: 6:16pm On Dec 14, 2019
Ogboni Fraternity: The Oyo perspective

Oduduwa founded the Ogboni cult to protect the ancient customs and institutions of his people. The History of Aborigine Ogboni, could be traced to that era of primordial civilization of ‘MAN’ sometimes around 4500BC in Ife-Oodaye. That period of antiquity and a geological era, very long ever before the arrival of the legendary Oduduwa himself to lle-ife aroung around 4th – 5th centuries A.D. In the beginning, there was ife-Oodaye, as earlier mentioned. The language spoken was ‘Ife’ and not ‘Yoruba’.

Who then are the yorubas? the answer to this, is a different issue and perhaps which some past issues of ‘Aborigine’ has answered among its previous inferences, that had explained among others, that the calling of all descendants of Oduduwa generally as YORUBA today, was the making of the Colonial British Authority in their desire to have unique identities for the colonised Nigerian people during the early part of the century.

While no one could precisely say what motivate ‘ogboni’ cult or confraternity, to come into being in Ife-Oodaye, but postulations in Yoruba mythology, shed light on the pre-Oduduwa era in the IIe-Ife, when ‘Obatala’ and Oreluere were the ruling chieftains of the Aborigine Ife-speaking community. ‘Awo’ ogboni, among so many other ‘Awos'(i.e cults) in Ife then, became so prominent and relevant, more as a pressure group to protest the unceremonious arrival of the great colonial master in history, (i.e.) Oduduwa, just as certian people of today’s Nigeria, first resisted the coming of the British imperialism, so also, the aboriginal Ife people and their particularly leader, Obatala; vehemently resisted the unexpected arrival of Oduduwa and his followers into Ile-ife. But when they could not withstand the might and high political network of Oduduwa, these ancient Ife people, resorted to cover activities, by making use of their ogboni group to determine oduduwa’s authority. And in most cases, against oduduwa’s people themselves, who were not their members. Most of these terrorist acts take place during the life time of Queen MOREMI, an Ofa indigene, married to ORANMIYAN, one of the Ife prince at that time. A paragon of beauty she was. Moremi used this as a leverage to entice their enemy’s leader, so as to decode the antics of these marauders, which was, possibly a faction of the ‘omo Iya’ (later referred to ogboni today), who used Igbomokun, one of the riverine settlement areas, ‘Ondo state’ of today as their base, from where they regularly launched their offensive attacks against their ‘colonial maters’ in Ife land. But with the eventual penetration of the setters(i.e oduduwa and his people), into these aboriginals ‘secret cult’, who perhaps were using this secret society as a weapon of resistance, this Egbe Omo Iya, or Ogboni, as popularly know, eventually became a cult synonymous with oduduwa.

‘N’mesi awo Oodua, later became a popular cliche for the ogboni people. But what Awo Ogboni was, in Ile-Ife in the beginning, was not what it later looked like, in other parts of yoruba land, as at the time it started to spread. For examples, in place like Egba, Ijebu, Remo etc., Ogboni was more or less the SENATE and dispensers of justice in the communities. The power of the ogboni otherwise called OSUGBO, among the Ijebu people, was so enormous and very deadly. Among so many of their strict injunction in the early time, was the restriction of any stranger from entering their domain; not even to dream of ever coming to live in any part of the ijebu at that time.

The secret of the Ogboni, which has been closely guarded from other, uninitiated Yoruba as well as from outside inquiry, is that they worship and control the sanctions of the Earth as a spirit. Earth, they hold, existed before the gods, and the Ogboni cult before the kingship. Earth is the mother to whom the dead return. Earth and the ancestors, not the gods (ovifa), are the sources of the moral law. The Ogboni is thought of by the Yoruba generally as supporting the power of the Alafin. The Apena, one of the leading officials of the cult there, once said to me, ‘Every Oba must have Ogboni so that people may fear him.’ While the Basorun is celebrating the Orun festival in Oyo, the Alafin in the secrecy of the Ogboni lodge makes his yearly rite to Ile, the Earth, and divines to verify that the Earth still sup- ports his rule. The cult shrine is in a lodge (iledi-lit. ‘ tied house ‘) in the forecourt of the palace, at a place called Tapa Ogboni.The association is known as Ogboni Oba,

The King’s Ogboni’. It is said to have this name because of the Alafin’s perpetual right to own the whole land of the Yoruba, a right acquired by the founder of the Oyo dynasty from his ancestor, Odudua, king of Ife. But the Alafin only hears what is transacted at Ogboni meetings from the reports of a certain woman of the palace whose duty is to attend all meetings of the Ogboni on his behalf. He does not take part in the meetings, but the Oyo mesi do. Like other cult groups, the Ogboni has its titled officials, the priests of the cult. Each title is the property of a lineage; the successor to a title is proposed by his fellow lineage members. The choice has to be submitted to the cult members, who put the selection, if it is in other respects acceptable to them, to the sanction of the Ifa oracle; and finally the Alafin must accept the appointment. When there is no suitable candidate for the title, in which case the duties of the office are carried out by a deputy, the lineage retains the right to propose a successor to the title in due course. The two leading officials of Ogboni are the Oluwo (Lord of the Mystery) and the Apena (Maker of the Way) who is in charge of the cult’s judicial functions.

There are two grades of membership of Ogboni, the ‘ children’, and Ologboni or Alawo (Owners of the Mystery or the Secret), which includes the titled officials. Members of the junior grade do not take part in the rites of the cult, though they may eat sacrificial meat. They are not, in Oyo admitted to assemblies in the cult house. They are bound to secrecy over anything they may hear of the activities of senior members. Each of the Oyo Mesi must be admitted to the senior grade, but he cannot hold titled office in the cult; which means he cannot officiate at any of the Ogboni rites or conduct its judicial inquiries.

He must attend the full assemblies of the cult, which take place at sixteen-day intervals, on the day (Jakuta) sacred to the worship of the Alafin’s deified ancestor, Sango. The Oyo mesi meet every morning in the house of the Basorun, and then go together to pay homage to the Alafin and advise him on the affairs of the day. On the sixteenth day they then take their seats in the iledi (lodge), in company with all other initiates of the senior grade. The meeting opens with a libation of gin to the Earth and to the spirits of the dead within it, but ordinarily no sacrificial rites take place. At the end of the meeting, kola nuts are split and eaten, an act reminding the members of their bond of secrecy. During these meetings, anyone may raise for discussion any issue of general concern whatever. Usually the discussion is informal -the exchange of views and gossip about events in the town, carried on over glasses of gin and during the eating of a meal.

It is important nevertheless for the formation of a body of opinion and because this is the one place where they could meet and talk freely, without fear of being reported on, or having to conform to the prejudices of their supporters.

Not only do these meetings bring the Oyo mesi face to face with what, so the Yoruba assert, are the wisest people in the community, and under conditions where their policy can be discussed; the fact of their attendance necessarily means that the Oyo mesi are constrained by certain sanctions. They must from time to time share in the Ogboni ritual on equal terms with other initiates, unattended by their usual following. The strength of these sanctions will become obvious when we discuss the religious side of Ogboni. Their social effects are these:

(a) The secrecy of the meetings at which doubts and disagreements may have been urged makes it hard for a minority of the chiefs to appeal to faction without breaking the condition of secrecy and inviting ritual sanction.

(b) Ogboni priests in Oyo and elsewhere have made it quite clear to me that sanctions are imposed not only to guard secrets but also to protect agreements reached at Ogboni meetings. Attempts are made to reach unanimity, and sanctions come into force if it is afterwards broken. If unanimity cannot be reached, members bind themselves ritually to accept and uphold the majority decision. This must reduce the likelihood of an open split developing within the Oyo mesi

(c) Just when a man acquires political power and is confirmed in a position of leadership through the achievement of a high town title, a new obedience is imposed upon him.

The judicial functions of Ogboni are concerned with the shedding of blood. To shed human blood upon the ground, whether the wound is slight or grave, except in sacrifice is to profane the Earth. If blood is spilled in a fight, word will reach the Apena. The report may be passed on to him by the Alafin, or it may come to him directly. Immediately, he sends his messenger to carry a sacred object, the edan,and lay it beside the shed blood. This puts the parties under a complete religious ban, and requires them to go at once to the place where the edanare lying, and announce themselves to the messenger. The Apena summons other Ogboni officials and elders to a meeting in the iledi, where the fighters are brought by the messenger. The Apena hears the dispute and makes a judgement intended to reconcile the parties. They both pay a fine and provide animals for sacrifice, the blood of which is poured over the fdan.If it is obvious that one of the parties must be lying and, because he is pressing false claims, the quarrel cannot be satisfactorily mended, an ordeal is imposed. The fdan are placed in a bowl of water. In some towns a little earth is sprinkled in, too.

The disputants are required to drink. It is confidently expected that the one who put his case falsely will die within two days. ‘Earth has cast him aside’, the Ogboni say, and once the ordeal has been administered, nothing can be done about it-it is irreversible. Yoruba quarrels are far less likely to entail bloodshed than those in many parts of Africa-among their neighbours the Bini, for a conspicuous example -and the force of the Ogboni sanction may well explain this. Someone may seriously offend another in the town, and the other may not wish to be involved in a fight or in a long-drawn-out dispute involving many people and perhaps sorcery as well. He may appeal to the Ogboni. The Apena sends out his edan, summoning both parties to the iledi. The wrong-doer must pay heavily in money and animals to be sacrificed over the edanwhich have been brought out. If the matter is trivial the edanare not to be sent out, they are too important and powerful. Disputants will instead be told to refer to their ward chiefs or lineage heads.

While some people are of the opinion that the Ogboni society is a social club, others have argued that it is a cult because of their secrecy. But while the argument rages on, the incontrovertible fact is that during the nineteenth century, the society acted as check on the Oba in the Yoruba society. Just as like the legislature, executive and judiciary check on one another, it was the duty of the Ogboni society to check the excesses of the Oba whenever he was becoming despotic or misusing his powers. Based on this vital role, every Yoruba town or village had one form of Ogboni society or the other to check on the Baale or village head whenever he was wielding his power arbitrarily.







Of course I would make sacrifice to the Alaafin the living son of Sango. All the spiritual believe life is eternal and such sacrifices are the ultimate test of faith. Children are to be in the priesthood of the Irunmule.

He who fears death is in denial and easily made a slave.


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DNA is what it is. We are talking the original race being trillions of years old and the Bible is only 6000 years of history.

Pre flood history is where the mixing occured.

The Babylonians were Africans who took the Neanderthals and created the Abrahamic line to conquer the world. The royal bloodline were the Amorites which are the Moors. Research the Moors and the cave beast. If a Black man fathers a child with a White woman the child is black. If a White man fathers a child with a Black woman the child is Black. Confusing? Yes yet the child of the White man is the DNA of the White man and is still inclined genetically to be like his White daddy.


The first complete DNA reference was done on the Y chromosome of a Germanic Cro Magnum males placenta called the Cambridge Reference Sequence in 1981.


No one has ever done a X chromosome of the woman nor of African DNA as we are a different species from the Cro Magnum.


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