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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 9:06pm On Oct 30, 2015
onibooro:
I'll make an exception and comment on this thread.

I wholeheartedly disagree with the original poster and the moniker Raayah in their statements about Nigerian education being sub-par and foreign graduates being better than Nigerian.

I am leading an international team of engineers and specialists on a multi million dollar project with a multinational company and I was recruited from Nigeria. It has been a right royal mess with the resources, many European, many from the Middle East, some from some sub Saharan countries. In many instances, I rely on Nigerian resources, problem only being work permits for them which can be tedious.

The biggest problem I have on the project of course, is my resource planning and the CVs I receive from recruitment companies are in many cases as bad as you can imagine.

I only had my Unilag education and Nigerian experience on my CV, same with my Nigerian resources.

To the unemployed; keep reading, know a little about everything, improve your written and spoken English and add value to yourselves.

You are only as good as you choose to be.

There is a reason why you see many CVs as bad as one can imagine
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 9:05pm On Oct 30, 2015
ProfJournalism:
You are an Author, Thanks much more for this Intriguing, Informative and Educative Trend!!..
You Just Hit the Nail @ the Head!
I Love your WriteUp!
I wish Over 1Milllion Users on Nairaland will read this!
Thanks once again!!

i Will Love to get in Touch Please!
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Your Response will be highly Honoured.
thanks!

jroysee@gmail.com
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 9:04pm On Oct 30, 2015
jazinogold:
nice writeup OP!
abeg I fit send u my CV n Cover letter for review? undecided
jroysee@gmail.com
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Core Java Programmer Needed by Gold45(f): 8:50pm On Oct 30, 2015
Morounofolu:



Hello madam,

I just sent you my RESUME, kindly confirm.

Many thanks

Confirmed
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:47pm On Oct 30, 2015
faites:
Nice write-up. I won't mind if I'm included in your job pool. I did mass communication and personnel management. I am an avid writer and editor. I have worked in newspaper and magazine firms, but I now want to taste other waters. Maybe in the area of personnel management or administration. I speak a little french also. Email- ev2cindy@gmail.com

Im focusing on IT placements for now but will keep you in mind.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:46pm On Oct 30, 2015
InvertedHammer:
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Recruiting graduates from Nigeria must be one of the toughest jobs out there.

I have never seen a set that takes pride in ignorance. Some CVs will put tears in your eyes. Once in a while, you run into one that will erase your bias.

They think it doesn't matter until it does.

Kudos!

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Thanks
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:42pm On Oct 30, 2015
sirmmykay:
really appreciate dis write up of yours, pls will like to seek advice from you. my mail address is ajibolasamuel14@gmail.com. thanks as I wait for your
quick reply
ok
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:41pm On Oct 30, 2015
skeema:
Can u please give out ur mail address for CV reviews?

jroysee@gmail.com
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:40pm On Oct 30, 2015
oc2fish:
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My dear sister students and Government share the blame.

Government.
Imagine a student in biosciences whose lecturer has never use a PCR machine. This lecturer was taught by a lacturer who has not seen this machine. The same lecturer was taught by one who used the analog PCR machine in the 60's. Can you tell me how the student will be marketable in todays world.

Student.
Most students do not value knowledge. They see going to class as stress. They want the degree without the knowledge.
All you have said is true.
The emboldened is disheartening.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:39pm On Oct 30, 2015
400billionman:
What this thread is all about is that if i can write or pay someone to write me a good resume or cover letter, and i dont know anything, the poster will recruit me.

Okay.

Wrong, but I'm pointing out to the CV packaging as what will get their foot in the door
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:38pm On Oct 30, 2015
prettyboi1:
Nice article. I keep saying a lot of us Nigerian youths are very unenlightened....even the so-called 'educated' ones. All we brag about here is "I went to school", "I have a degree", "I am a first-class/second class-upper/second class lower student", "I studied engineering ", "I'm a doctor" etc....who the fvck cares? If you can offer me practical thinking and solutions, you don't interest me, screw your 'certificate'.


Thanks
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:37pm On Oct 30, 2015
Curvinus:
Abeg shut up Mr. Recruiter. What are you recruiting sef and how much are you being paid to saddle us with this your rambling twittle tattle?

Must you comment?
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:36pm On Oct 30, 2015
OfficialIYANU:


This is part of the issues she is raising. Nigerians would not just SMART UP. There's already an example of a CV she herself edited. Look and learn from it Bros. Haha!

@OP
I also face majority of these challenges whilst recruiting. With the level of educational, mental and moral decadence, I have come to realise ONLY GOD can rescue this country from the rocks we're headed! KAI
Exactly
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:36pm On Oct 30, 2015
beyondwalls:
Hi Op,

Kindly advise on this case.
What are the factors that could be responsible for going through shortlisting, getting to the final stage of the recruitment process and in the end getting sorry mail. This has happened about 5 times in the past one year with top companies. The most annoying part is most of the times i find it hard to pick what i did or said wrong during the interview. It's just so depressing.

My bro/sis, I can't tell you for sure what caused it. Connection, God Fathers, chance etc
Be rest assured that yours will come to you
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:31pm On Oct 30, 2015
Kx:
Hello Recruiter.

You advised job seekers to always run a spell check.
You equally took pride in the quality of the cv reviewed and attached by you. Excellent.

Please edit this portion of the attached cv if you dont mind:

...My duties were to ensure the convenience and well being of guests and [size=18pt]staffs[/size]"...

Thank you.
smh, how do you know the job description more than the staff
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:26pm On Oct 30, 2015
yorex2011:
I'm usually saddened when Nigerian graduates and students are belittled, using qualifiers as "half-baked" and "unemployable".
Considering I'm a recent Graduate myself.
We are compared with our counterparts from other developed countries, forgetting that we are a developing country.
True, there are a number that fall short of expectation, but it is like that in other countries too.
I recently registered for a massive open online course (MOOC) organized by IFP school France, and i am impressed at their methodology, and i imagined, that's how it should be in their schools there too, learning is convenient and interesting, unlike here in Nigeria where we have to go through hurdles, such as economic hardships, poor amenities, difficult learning conditions and yet still graduate with good grades.

Nigerian graduates should not be belittled, if not for anything but for the fact that we triumphed in difficult conditions.
Everyday we see topics of Engineering students building stuff and here on Nairaland are still insulted, and their efforts rubbished. Do they think its easy building something out of nothing, it shows our innovative and never say die spirit.

We should try to help out, we wont get anywhere by criticizing everyday, we should try to offer solutions, seek out ways to improve the state of things. Rome wasn't built in a day.

I'm currently looking for a job, but i helped a fellow nairalander review his cv once, I'm not a professional CV writer, but i read a lot and I did it, as a way of contributing to some form of development. Same with a group i created for unemployed graduates where we share ideas, information, tips, ideas. Its not much but I'm contributing the little i can.

We sometimes forget the days of humble beginnings, someone that schooled in Nigeria, maybe holding a good position, calling graduates unemployable...

Nigerians are good people, hardworking, it goes beyond what you see, its a way of life, even if 90% of us can't write a cover letter or 85% of use can't write a CV, we will keep persevering, we will keep going till we overcome

Note that a future president, future CEO, future Nobel prize winner is currently among these so-called half baked.

God bless us all

Don't misunderstand me.
I am an international recruiter meaning my clients are 90% of the times from other countries. I met my Nigerian clients through foreign partners. I am forced to compare grads from India, Nigeria, Kenya, Ghana, Canada, USA, The Philippines etc almost everyday. No employer cares if you schooled in a 3rd world country.

I pointed these out so we all can take note and work on where we are wanting. Not to criticize.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:18pm On Oct 30, 2015
raayah:

I think most expatriates are usually engineers/ construction workers / Technology. Truth is that our universities do not teach practical work at all. A lot of people cannot handle basic microsoft applications , there were not taught. Students studying computer science have never wrote an App/ Programmed a machine. This is what other countries are doing in their first years.
What about their labs? Its standard. They are taught to use equipments that Nigerians only read about. A business will not invest 100 million into a machine and give it to someone who has no experience to run it. Simply not done. We should step up a country.

Expatriates are way better than Nigerians in terms of experience, education and professionalism. If we fix our education sector, students will be rushing to study in Nigeria from all over the world. We will definitely reduce the amount of expattriates.

Exactly, A million likes for you
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:17pm On Oct 30, 2015
sihom:


When you do get back to your thread please help me understand the following things

1. What makes the expatriates stand out in a pool of candidates where there are Nigerians as well?

2. Why are expatriates more appealing to recruiters/employers more than Nigerians?

Questions 1 & 2 are kind of similar but please treat them separately and be brutally honest abeg.

3. Do these expatriates actually meet and exceed expectations where they end up? Do they out perform their co-workers from Naija or other African countries?

I ask these questions because I've met a good number of Nigerians who are well spoken with a good head on their shoulders and come across as well adjusted adults who can handle business at the work place.

I really don't buy this notion & idea that Nigerian graduates are unemployable. Granted a number of them may mess up during applications and at interviews but a majority of folks I've met have it together.

My honest observation.

1. The expatriates stand out because once you see a foreign university listed in the CV, it is automatically assumed they have a better and higher education regardless of their GPA
2. In addition to my first answer, some employers see it as a boost to the face of the company for customers to walk in to your company ans see expatriates. It is believed your rating / respect will soar.
3. In terms of physical abilities, Nigerians beat other countries IMHO, mentally, I'd say that if the expatriates outshine our Naija grads, its cus they had a better education, all things being equal, Naija grads are a better option.

I don't also believe Nigerian grads are unemployable, please don't misunderstand me, I simply refer to them as crude. They still need alot of polishing. Once that is done, you'll smile from ear to ear.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 8:02pm On Oct 30, 2015
raayah:
Thank you for this great thread.
Very informative and entertaining grin

I think universities in Nigeria should have career services that teach job search skills like resume and CV writing and interview skills. The career services should also contact recruiters for Jobs on behalf of their students. That's how it's done in most places.

Our Universities are laughable to be honest, I got to the third year of my engineering degree in Nigeria and I had not used a computer. Not even microsoft applications. Meanwhile, First years in other countries have started designing robots, learning AutoCAD, solidworks, excel,MATLAB etc.

You just cannot compare both abeg.
Exactly, one of my long term goals actually
We need to be honest about our universities. Graduates get defensive when they hear the truth.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:58pm On Oct 30, 2015
Olabestonic001:
My dear op, thanks for enlightening us on our errors in the job hunt. We are still evolving and I believe someone like you can be a catalyst to my career progression. I will like to have a personal chat with you.

N.B: I'm presently in a comfortable employment but who says I can't polish my "Trophy" as you"ve advised. Please kindly drop your email so that I can keep correspondence with you. Thanks so much.
jroysee@gmail.com
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:56pm On Oct 30, 2015
brainzdh:
Thanks ma'am, you've spoken well. The unemployment situation in the country is quite terrible, that's why you'll find Crop Science graduates(and the likes) applying for jobs strictly stated for Engineering graduates.

At the end, it's so much work for the HR Recruiter to start sifting the thousands of CVs for a position slated for just 5persons.

Funny enough 3months into the job, one or two of the new recruits might tender resignation letters due to a better Job offer elsewhere or sudden frustration with the job....Lolz! At the end both recruiter & the unemployed share a level of pain.

Thank you too for understanding. Its a relief to meet someone who understands.
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:55pm On Oct 30, 2015
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:53pm On Oct 30, 2015
amicable09:
Dear HR manager, sorry in as much as you are pained, we are also more pained. One of these days I will write an article and post my pains too. Truth is we don't know what you recruiters want! I've noticed your preferences vary as well as the CVs and Cover Letters.

We apply and get short listed, you bomb us with questions during the aptitude test that has no relationship whatsoever with the job role. Fortunately, we ace the test and are invited for an interview then you make the interview look like a war zone... very hostile looking panel throwing questions at you, other times you meet other HR Mgrs who simply act as though they are doing you a favor, haba! Me, I tire for all of these attitude sef. If there is a particular thing you are looking for just say it! if you want to pay a graduate 20k because we studied in Nigeria then say it as well, it is not when we say what we want then you will post us to a later date,, Next week! Not fair jare

Lol
Sorry about your nasty experience. Let me apologize on behalf of those Recruiters. Believe me, some applicants can frustrate a saint. it may just be a case of transfer of anger.
Then, some of these so called HR Mgrs got their jobs through connections. Many were not trained for it so lack the interpersonal skills needed.
Then, I personally screen and rate candidates mentally and psychologically so you may wonder why my questions are off point. It may just be your response I need not even your answer.
Some HR Mgrs feel they need to keep the hostile font to avoid candidates bugging them or taking them for a ride.
Sadly, some feel they are doing applicants a favour.

From your tone, you dont like being bossed around and may have issues with being subordinate. Why apply for a job, why not get yourself together, look inward and become your own boss?
You never know where your "star" lies
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:42pm On Oct 30, 2015
sakalisis:
Hi OP

I am a freelance technology (Phone) researcher and entreprenuer, am a certified Java programmer coupled with my knowledge of phone and laptop repairs. I also graduated with a strong 2.1 in Physics Electronics from the best technology university in Nigeria.

My email is sakalisis@yahoo.com. I will be looking forward tp your reply.

Thanks.

Please follow the link I indicated and send your cv
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:42pm On Oct 30, 2015
jashar:
ok OP. So, how are you going to help people that would like a job on this forum?

I'll do a post on that later
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:42pm On Oct 30, 2015
skillip:
@Op, nice write up you have written. However, I have some observations to make. I think after the summary your work experience comes next, I don't have time to be looking at interest etc first, because I have too many Cv's to peruse and no time.
I will prefere this format, Summary, work experience and accomplishment just beneath each job/place you worked, skills follow etc.
Like I said it's just my opinion, I just look for what you have done first, achievments/accomplishment, matching skills etc.
Keep it up.

Works for me too. But the company the company being applied to here is into luxury vacations.

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:37pm On Oct 30, 2015
ambassadorgozie:
DEAR RECRUITER,

I am Mr Paul, studied International relations and graduated with 2.1 from a federal university, certified in French language and HSE, proficient in the use of MS office suite ,and i write articles..
Please help to fix me somewhere.

My email is ambassadorgozie@gmail.com .
I look forward to hearing from you.

Best regards.
Paul




Help a jobless graduate..

Merci beaucoup!

I will keep you in mind
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:36pm On Oct 30, 2015
kaykash007:
This is informative.....but I also think the Op should at least give hint on how to build a strong attractive CV to compete in the Nigeria Labour market.

Please take a hint from the screenshot. I'll do a post on that later
Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 7:36pm On Oct 30, 2015
Milliprime:
So how do you help to solve the problem.
.

By doing what Im doing now

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 10:19am On Oct 30, 2015
Please, I'll reply more on this later in the day. I am busy now.
Thanks.
Jobs/Vacancies / Pains Of A Recruiter / HR Mgr by Gold45(f): 9:08am On Oct 30, 2015
As an international Recruiter,
I have noticed some things that hinder my recruitment in Nigeria, it is heart breaking when someone comes to me and says I'm relocating to the USA or Canada or wherever, what placement can you get for me and just by chatting with the person, I know that it will have to be a menial job despite the diplomas and degrees.
There is a reason why I have Recruited over 50 expatriates from some unimaginable countries into Nigeria where they got perks like:
3 bedroom furnished apartment in the Lekki area a few bus stops away from the company
2 domestic staffs to do the cleaning, cooking and driving.
Comprehensive health insurance
Approx. 10M annual salary
28 working days paid vacation
3 working days paid leave
Approx 3M in other allowances
Return annual paid tickets to their home country annually
In some cases a lesser paying job for the spouse is guaranteed.

I have facilitated the purchase of some Multi Million houses which Companies bought for their expatriate staffs. The minimum being 700M for 20 units of 3 bedroom flats, and some up to 2 Billion just for these expatriates.

You must be thinking why, below are some of the reasons in my opinion.
1. Education
Our universities don't help matters, they split one course into 3 units for students to study and graduate and use 20 years old techniques / syllabus to teach. As a result, fresh Nigerian graduates and even West African graduates can not stand fresh graduates from other parts of the world until they have experience or go for more classes. I begin to ask, what is the craze to get admission and graduate for?

2. Lack of seriousness on the part of the students
As if that isnt enough, many of their results were bought in the sense that in a new setting, they can't defend this result. A Bsc Econs holder couldn't pass an exam to place her in a 200level equivalent in the USA. While in school, a lot of them joined cults and turned to private prostitutes just to get the good grades. News Flash!!! Recruiters are fully aware and can't be deceived.

3. Inability to speak good English
What breaks my heart now is that many of them can't speak good English. They are well educated in the best schools but nothing to show for it. If that cert. goes missing today, and they have the opportunity to write another exam to receive a new result, 80% won't pass. Yes, English isn't our mother tongue but when you want a job in a company where English language is spoken, you have to speak English too. Your command of English is highly important. It can speak a lot about you even before you present your certs.

4. Greed
Now, once in a while, I see a graduate who has ticked all the wrong boxes still forming "I know my worth and wont settle for less". I'll simply tell you to call me next week as that's when I'll be recruiting for the big fishes and that will be the end. The bad part of these incompetence is that you never know you have them. Hence, there's nothing to lower those over inflated egos.

5. Nonchalant attitude
Some feel once they have gotten their certs esp. the 1st class and 2nd class upper, they have tried abeg. Cut them some slack, give them a break. But they don't understand that its just the beginning. You must seek more exposure by all means. Keep reading, keep find ways to polish your trophy, keep learning from those who are there.
For example; I can say, 90% of graduates, cant write a standard cover letter, 85% cant write a standard Resume / CV. My mum looked at an applicants cv one day, laughed and said, My CV was as naive as this when I applied for my first job. Meaning, that CV was in vogue in the 1970's!!! I'll talk more on the CV later.

6. Unrealistic desires
Okay, we all know you didn't spend years in the Uni for nothing. You didn't go to Boko Haram infested areas during your service for nothing etc. But baby, its time to wake up! Life isn't rosy anymore. There is tight competition out there. There are over 2000 people better than you graduating every year. The best tool you have when job hunting is experience. I daresay experience is more valuable than degrees in some cases. Start where you are as long as i can recharge your phone, transport you to and from work and pay your basic bills, it will be worth it.
Learn from Dami:
Dami (not real name) ticked 3 wrong boxes and due to the strict requirement, could never see the light of the job. What did Dami do?
He wrote a new application letter volunteering to work for free only asking to be allowed to benefit from the Company's transport as he lives far. 2 years later, Dami got a job in that company as an Assistant Mgr.

7. Lack of Packaging
You are a brand, you wish to be the face of a company, how can you sell the company in a good image if you can't sell yourself? Start with your CV and cover letter.
I don't care where you are from unless the job specifically asked for candidates from a particular region. telling me you have an experience as a waiter in a 7* hotel when applying for the post of a teacher will make me shove your resume in the bin.
Indicate all that apply and leave out the unnecessary details. I skim through 80 - 100 Cv's in 1hr or more. Meaning at a glance, I want to see what I want shouting back at me in your resume. Keep it straight to the point and Brief. Don't lie! Be creative, learn new ways to write a cv. Always ask someone who likes you to proof read for you. Always run a spell check. Don't have one CV. I have more than 8. Always create a new CV to fit the new job. Indicate in the section for skills, all your skills which was listed as a requirement.

8. Failing to test all spirits
Apply to all positions you feel you are qualified for.
Secret: You don't need to have it all. Hr Managers are there to brush you up!

I have to stop now.
Below is the cv of a guy with just WAEC ( I edited it for him )


The other pix are for laughter effects

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Jobs/Vacancies / Re: Core Java Programmer Needed by Gold45(f): 1:41am On Oct 29, 2015
Jazper:
I have sent my resume Ma,
pls check and confirm.
confirmed

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