Welcome, Guest: Register On Nairaland / LOGIN! / Trending / Recent / New
Stats: 3,153,516 members, 7,819,860 topics. Date: Tuesday, 07 May 2024 at 03:56 AM

Golden6's Posts

Nairaland Forum / Golden6's Profile / Golden6's Posts

(1) (2) (3) (4) (of 4 pages)

Religion / Re: Why I Believe God Does Not Exist by Golden6(m): 3:37am On Feb 08, 2019
A Long Epistle #Religious
God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts



I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time.



I drew some conclusions
- The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God

-I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day

- I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo
d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike"wink



Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question


To illustrate
Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different.



A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife.

B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it.
Knowing her dad's love for food.

C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money.
Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness.

D will lie she needs money for something in school.
Knowing her dad's value for her education.

E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much.

And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money).




Now, why did they all ask in different ways?
Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them.


Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person.
So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success.


.. but now the problem this brought up..


A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads

Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us.
(That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.)


So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell??


The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth.



Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved.


Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved.

Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved


God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y.
He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message.
He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved.


So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved.


Just like above ,

You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!!

(For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and
That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.)



To make it a bit clearer ,
Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us.

God made us all perfectly
But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded.

We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole,
So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually.


Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us.

He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles


Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts.

God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him.


But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J ,
But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.)


Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say,

My question is why can any one end up unsaved

If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved.

So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him.


In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them.



You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved.


We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be.


But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours.


I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them.



Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?.

The only explanation is that all can not be saved
Why is that? only two possible reasons;

There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved.


The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?.




Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven.

I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven.
(Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?)



Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind.


So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?.


No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally.




No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and
E will live.


No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves.


So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice.


Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone)

Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them)


Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others)






Confused #Personal

I wrote a religiously questioning article before,
then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter.




Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist?
And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc.
I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying.
I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy.

And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country.

Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before.


Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet.

I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer.
( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin"wink
That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum.



I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent.


My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type).

Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so.


The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for.
I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values.
But how can I do that when I don't know what those are.

As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates.


So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians.



Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed.


Back to ASUU strike
I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my fucking course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice.

I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a fucking mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off.


I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark

Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies.

And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't.

You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything.
Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler .


Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help.

Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away.


Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out



https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist
Religion / Re: The Christian(s) Vs Atheist(s) Debate Will Never End... And Is A Waste Of Time by Golden6(m): 3:35am On Feb 08, 2019
A Long Epistle #Religious
God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts



I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time.



I drew some conclusions
- The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God

-I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day

- I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo
d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike"wink



Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question


To illustrate
Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different.



A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife.

B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it.
Knowing her dad's love for food.

C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money.
Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness.

D will lie she needs money for something in school.
Knowing her dad's value for her education.

E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much.

And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money).




Now, why did they all ask in different ways?
Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them.


Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person.
So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success.


.. but now the problem this brought up..


A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads

Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us.
(That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.)


So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell??


The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth.



Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved.


Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved.

Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved


God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y.
He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message.
He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved.


So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved.


Just like above ,

You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!!

(For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and
That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.)



To make it a bit clearer ,
Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us.

God made us all perfectly
But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded.

We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole,
So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually.


Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us.

He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles


Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts.

God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him.


But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J ,
But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.)


Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say,

My question is why can any one end up unsaved

If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved.

So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him.


In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them.



You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved.


We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be.


But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours.


I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them.



Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?.

The only explanation is that all can not be saved
Why is that? only two possible reasons;

There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved.


The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?.




Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven.

I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven.
(Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?)



Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind.


So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?.


No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally.




No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and
E will live.


No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves.


So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice.


Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone)

Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them)


Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others)






Confused #Personal

I wrote a religiously questioning article before,
then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter.




Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist?
And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc.
I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying.
I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy.

And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country.

Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before.


Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet.

I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer.
( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin"wink
That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum.



I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent.


My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type).

Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so.


The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for.
I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values.
But how can I do that when I don't know what those are.

As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates.


So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians.



Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed.


Back to ASUU strike
I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my fucking course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice.

I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a fucking mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off.


I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark

Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies.

And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't.

You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything.
Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler .


Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help.

Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away.


Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out

1 Like

Religion / Re: Christians Of Nairaland, What If You're Wrong? by Golden6(m): 3:31am On Feb 08, 2019
Religion / Why I Believe God Does Not Exist by Golden6(m): 3:29am On Feb 08, 2019
Religion / Re: Why Do Youths Run Away From Deeper Life Bible Church? by Golden6(m): 3:25am On Feb 08, 2019
Religion / Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by Golden6(m): 3:23am On Feb 08, 2019
Religion / Re: Bishop Oyedepo's House In Omu-Aran, His Hometown In Kwara (Photos) by Golden6(m): 3:20am On Feb 08, 2019
Religion / Re: A Library Of The Best 40 Atheist Arguments Against God/religion (NOW WITH PICS) by Golden6(m): 3:17am On Feb 08, 2019
Religion / An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:13am On Feb 07, 2019
A Long Epistle #Religious
God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts



I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time.



I drew some conclusions
- The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God

-I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day

- I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo
d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike"wink



Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question


To illustrate
Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different.



A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife.

B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it.
Knowing her dad's love for food.

C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money.
Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness.

D will lie she needs money for something in school.
Knowing her dad's value for her education.

E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much.

And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money).




Now, why did they all ask in different ways?
Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them.


Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person.
So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success.


.. but now the problem this brought up..


A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads

Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us.
(That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.)


So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell??


The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth.



Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved.


Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved.

Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved


God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y.
He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message.
He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved.


So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved.


Just like above ,

You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!!

(For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and
That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.)



To make it a bit clearer ,
Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us.

God made us all perfectly
But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded.

We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole,
So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually.


Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us.

He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles


Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts.

God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him.


But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J ,
But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.)


Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say,

My question is why can any one end up unsaved

If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved.

So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him.


In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them.



You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved.


We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be.


But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours.


I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them.



Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?.

The only explanation is that all can not be saved
Why is that? only two possible reasons;

There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved.


The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?.




Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven.

I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven.
(Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?)



Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind.


So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?.


No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally.




No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and
E will live.


No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves.


So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice.


Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone(he can't let everyone's path lead them to where they'll be saved))

Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them)


Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others)


So Either Good doesn't exist. Or the definition of God is wrong.





An Inclusion

Bible Verse showing God wants all to be saved
1 Timothy 2 : 4
KJV:Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

NIV:who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.


2 Peter 3 : 9
KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.





Bible Verses saying God Chose who will be saved.

John 6 :44

KJV:No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

NIV:“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.


John 6 :65

KJV:And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

NIV:He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”


2Thesselonians 2:13

KJV:But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

NIV:But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.






Part II

Confused #Personal

I wrote a religiously questioning article before,
then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter.




Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist?
And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc.
I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying.
I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy.

And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country.

Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before.


Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet.

I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer.
( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin"wink
That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum.



I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent.


My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type).

Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so.


The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for.
I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values.
But how can I do that when I don't know what those are.

As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates.


So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians.



Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed.


Back to ASUU strike
I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my fucking course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice.

I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a fucking mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off.


I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark

Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies.

And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't.

You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything.
Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler .


Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help.

Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away.


Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out.

7 Likes 6 Shares

Education / Re: (Richland Nigeria) NPDC NNPC Scholarship... Please Is This A Scam? by Golden6(m): 9:08am On Jan 21, 2019
Wow, but why then would they do such ...
Religion / Re: . by Golden6(m): 10:30pm On Jan 08, 2019
I voiced out my opinion. That was the aim
Religion / Re: . by Golden6(m): 9:15pm On Jan 08, 2019
No reply ni.. I'm asking for replies oo
Religion / Re: Jesus Is Coming Soon by Golden6(m): 9:07pm On Jan 08, 2019
So you are advising us to repent JUST to save our souls from hell?? ..Is it just the Fear of hell that leads one to God??
Religion / . by Golden6(m): 8:42pm On Jan 08, 2019
.

1 Like

(1) (2) (3) (4) (of 4 pages)

(Go Up)

Sections: politics (1) business autos (1) jobs (1) career education (1) romance computers phones travel sports fashion health
religion celebs tv-movies music-radio literature webmasters programming techmarket

Links: (1) (2) (3) (4) (5) (6) (7) (8) (9) (10)

Nairaland - Copyright © 2005 - 2024 Oluwaseun Osewa. All rights reserved. See How To Advertise. 466
Disclaimer: Every Nairaland member is solely responsible for anything that he/she posts or uploads on Nairaland.