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Religion / Re: I Believe Everyone Is The Best Version Of Themselves. by Golden6(m): 4:37pm On Mar 10, 2019 |
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Religion / I Believe Everyone Is The Best Version Of Themselves. by Golden6(m): 10:46am On Mar 10, 2019 |
A long post Also, I believe Right and wrong are relative/subjective. We'll , let me start A while ago I wrote a post on religion why I believe there is no God. Somewhere along the post, I said "everyone simply does what is best for themselves". I simply want to try and shed more light on it, this way of thinking of mine. I watch series, at least I try to. And you know my worst series ever?, the ones I believe I wasted my time watching as they stopped being entertaining and started becoming annoying? The Vampire Diaries(TVD) , And Prison Break. (No offence this is just my personal opinion.) I also dislike the flash, and have decided to stop watching superhero movies that portray the lives of "Good individuals". By the way, ironically my Best series is The Originals. Weird right (as it's a spin off from TVD). Now, it's been a while since I watched TVD, and my ability to recall isn't so strong, so , I do not have accurate descriptions as to why I hate it so much. However , I know it's because I am annoyed at the film's stars that they potray as "good" , I'm annoyed at them doing things, believing they are acting appropriately, because they are "good", but more importantly , them JUDGING whoever they are acting towards , because they are "Bad". You see , there was this episode in the flash, Circada , a guy who goes around killing meta's( humans with powers), hurt Barry Allen's daughter ( the flash's daughter). Now Barry is this stand up guy, in all his time fighting crime (3 years I think) he never killed anyone. Never took a life. He was against it, frowned upon it, he would do his best to AVOID IT. I.E , he can let a criminal walk away, if the ONLY other alternative is to kill them, and I mean any criminal, thief to murderer to suicide bomber, he'll not kill them, no matter what. So now, circada , Barry has been trying to stop. This guy has killed many meta's , and other people in his way to killing the meta's. But Barry , only tried to STOP him, lock him up in jail, a murderer. However, the minute circada attacked Barry's daughter ( dislocated her spine she couldn't move ) now at the time, Barry thought it was permanent, he thought circada had paralysed his daughter. Now, circada attacked somewhere, and Barry, was going to KILL him.Circada suddenly deserved to die. He was like seconds away from killing him, when his daughter showed up running and he didn't kill him again. Barry, had his daughter paralysed , and for that reason , he decided he was going to kill the person responsible ( yes , the person responsible was a murderer , but that wasn't responsible for Barry's decision he had always been a murderer , what changed was that now, he attacked someone Barry cares about more than the whole world. minus his wife I guess) So Barry , decides it's okay to kill this guy who hurt his daughter ,the movie portrays Barry Allen as the hero, But circada is a villan. Now, circada , we we're told , only started killing them after his niece was knocked into a coma because of meta's . So circada blamed all meta's and decided they all had to die. Now,why exactly is one to believe Barry is any better than circada ?? To me they are both the same. They're are both men who where angered, that someone they cared about so much was hurt, because of the actions of another person. And they both decided to take revenge ( even if revenge was murder). Now , I don't dislike Barry Allen because he attacked circada. I mean, I understand that , circada hurt someone Soo important to him,it's understandable he will be annoyed , and that anger can drive him to revenge. I dislike him because for reason he thinks he's a better person , and circada a bad person. They both make the best decisions for themselves. Circada is still a murderer , but you know there's a reason why he does what he does. Now does that make him good or bad ?? Both him and Barry's reason are the same (their child got hurt) the only difference is that circada blames more people, not just one person. Is Barry Allen good or bad ??. Just like Acrimony, i dislike Robert , and HATE the ending Tyler Perry gave Melinda. like i was doubtful that was the actual end. I was disappointed , someone as important as Tyler Perry, wrote a movie, and that was the best end he saw for Melinda .Anchored her to the bottom of the ocean. Looking like a mad person. She only got there because she made the best decisions for herself. (Now, obviously i don't mean holding an axe to chop your ex is a necessarily a good decision) She was an ACTION person with Anger issues. I mean, she rammed her car into a trailer because she caught her boyfriend cheating. That clearly shows she makes irrational decisions , fuelled by her anger So to her , whose anger is probably genetically , Who spent her whole life for this guy,He is literarily her life!, then she watches him give his time and attention to another woman, her anger , made the best decision for her to be that agressive action. Melinda has issues ( anger ) but that is who she is, an angry person. I later realised i hadn't viewed Roberts side(He also made his best decisions) when i did , i hated him less. But still hate him though. It was unfortunate she met him. Look at Alex Mahone in prison break. He was told kill 7 men , or K-men would kill his wife and child. He decided to save the people important to him at any cost. Now, in the process , he killed Lincoln's dad. Now , Lincoln , is this guy , who at the beginning of the movie, was also given a choice , kill the president's brother , or we kill your son. He didn't consider the president's brother is an important person. Or he considered it but it didn't mean shit. He had to protect the one important to him at any cost. So he went to go kill this guy, he drank beer ( but want drunk) , he went to where the guy was, raised the gun. He had decided to kill him. Now, the guys who hired him had a different plan for him, the president's brother's death was staged already, they just needed him to be the fall guy. My point? Lincoln ALREADY DECIDED to kill someone that important to save his son. Yet he claims to be good because he didn't go through with it (it wasn't his decision to not kill the guy again). Mahone killed Lincoln's father to save his Son AND Wife. Yet Lincoln hated him because he was a "bad" person. I understand if he hated him because he killed his dad. That's understandable, but hating him because he is a bad person, now that's what answered me, it was like a pot judging a kettle for being black. Now when Lincoln knew Mahone did it because it was for his son, he still hated him, but then he later forgave him. That action I commend. But still dislike him thoo. Now, Mahone had his son killed by let's say Dre, who works for K-men . I didn't dislike Mahone all the while he was killing people, he had to. When I disliked him, was when he tortured and killed the guy who killed his son. Like , aren't u both fucking the same, I hated Lincoln for judging you, but I hate you more for torturing and killing Dre. Now , the movie doesn't tell us Dre's loved one was threatened and that's why Dre killed Mahone's son.The movie makes it appear as though Dre killed Mahoney's son for money. Now, who is to say it's alright for Mahone to kill to save his wife and Son, but it's wrong for Dre to kill for money. The money might be to pay for his twin brothers cancer treatment do you know ?? But it's wrong definitely Now for those who say it's wrong that Mahone killed to save his wife and son, well I dont know. what would you had done ?? The movie made it clear , The people threathening weren't joking, Moving them wasn't an option as they were under surveillance The police were compromised , so he couldn't had gone to them for help. So , he had NO OTHER OPTION. kill these men, or we kill your family. Letting his family die is the right choice ?? Or both choices are bad , he only chose the lesser evil ?? Let me rephrase Let us kill two people , or you kill 7 people . Morally , the right choice should be let them kill 2 people. You aren't the one killing so it's not on you, And that way less people die, So how is killing 7 the lesser evil?? But yet , it appears the choice we will all make is to kill 7 people(I apologise if I am wrongly assuming this, this is just my opinion) I assume some Christians will be like We'll the bad guys bleeped up when they threatened me.I'll just talk to my all powerful dad now , and not only will he protect my family , but he will end them. Or for some other Christians, he will convert them and they'll come and beg for my forgiveness tomorrow, which I will gladly give them. Well, to me , God doesn't exist. So that's not really an option to me. That's just doing nothing (I assume an all knowing God, should know the idea I am trying to pass across, He should know all our actions , he should know the reason everyone has behind their actions. He should know EVERYONE SIMPLY LIVED MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS FOT THEMSELVES ) So him just watching people go to hell? that is not a "Good" attribute now is it? The "bad" guys always have a reason for what they do.. who is to determine if the cause is just enough or not?? Who gave us the authority to say they are bad and judge them without knowing the reason behind their actions?? Everyone has always made the best decisions for themselves in every situation they were in. Everyone from Bill Gates to Hitler. IS THE BEST VERSION OF THEMSELVES. That's my belief shaa. and I believe it's right, not really a peaceful thing to believe. I mean, I can honestly look in a mirror and say Hitler was the best version of himself. That's not really so comforting. But I believe there's a saying that the truth is bitter. I don't think this post is as clear as it should be, Il I'll try to update it as time goes on. I don't know.. I'd love to hear the opinions of others on this view of mine. I'll appreciate if your replies aren't insultive, thank you. Here's the link to the earlier post on why I don't believe God exists https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist Peace ✌️ �� |
Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 5:55pm On Feb 21, 2019 |
This free will stuff, I didn't mention God Forcing any decision on anyone now. I said God, should be able to create the conditions required for the individual to make the decision God wants him to make. And if the individual doesn't make the decision, that simply means the situation wasn't right for it. So I'm not arguing against man's ability to make decisions. |
Religion / Re: Ten Questions I Have For Christians by Golden6(m): 6:19pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
An extra question for Christians https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist |
Religion / Re: Why Did God Create Mosquito? by Golden6(m): 3:43pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
paxonel: Lol.. They cause 400,000 deaths anually. Surely there should had been a less violent way to remind us to keep a good hygiene 1 Like |
Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 2:57pm On Feb 19, 2019 |
oaroloye: An honest person would state what Church they belonged to, and whose Beliefs and Interpretations they were proclaiming. (None Obviously.) GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIS SON, LORD YESHUA. This means God only loves Born Again's. Loving someone is wanting the best for that person. To the believer, Being saved will be the best thing that can happen to one. If God only loves Born Again's , why do people evangelise?? Why would God want something good to happen to people he hates?? Because if he hates them, he wouldn't want anything good For them, hence he wouldn't want them to be saved. IT IS VERY RUDE TO TELL AN ELDER WHO HAS BEEN PREACHING THE GOSPEL SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN TO "READ YOUR BIBLE AGAIN." I guess we're even then.. I trust you do not expect an apology, given you're language in preceding posts which haven't been apologised for. I must however acknowledge the improvement in this post. It was much less insultive. You do not even know that the NEW INTERNATIONAL BIBLE is a FAKE Bible. The verses quoted where also in KJV .. I used NIV so the English would be clearer that's all. |
Religion / Re: God Has Lost To The Devil!! by Golden6(m): 4:14pm On Feb 17, 2019 |
All the Views, Not One Refute? |
Religion / Re: Thank God! Finally I Don Port! From Atheism To Jesus(Confirmation Thread)Update* by Golden6(m): 10:21am On Feb 17, 2019 |
Michellekabod1: I thought she just said she had repented � |
Religion / Re: Thank God! Finally I Don Port! From Atheism To Jesus! Update* Conversion Story. by Golden6(m): 10:16am On Feb 17, 2019 |
I didn't see any reply from her about how she got converted, or has she replied ?? ..Are you ashamed to talk about your conversion or You do not have anything to talk about?? |
Religion / God Has Lost To The Devil!! by Golden6(m): 8:45am On Feb 17, 2019 |
It is Biblically stated , that God created human beings. Genesis 1:27 ESV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." KJV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." It is also stated he wants everyone to be saved 1 Timothy 2 : 4 KJV:Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. NIV:who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Peter 3 : 9 KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Now the Devil on the other hand , wants to block / shield / separate Humans from God ( Hence Heaven) 2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV:In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. NIV:The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV:But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. NIV:But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. Now for any person that doesn't make heaven, God wanted him/her to make heaven And the Devil wanted to prevent him/her from making heaven Isn't that a loss to God and a win to the Devil ? Hasn't God lost to the Devil? Can that be possible ?? For a longer argument on whether God Exists or not , see https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist |
Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 5:53pm On Feb 16, 2019 |
oaroloye: John 3 : 16 16 KJV: FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD (Did it say Believer's?), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. NIV: FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 1 Timothy 2 : 4 KJV:WTho WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. NIV: WHO WANTS ALL PEOPLE TO BE SAVED and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Peter 3 : 9 KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT that ALL should COME TO REPENTANCE. NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, NOT WANTING ANYONE TO PERISH, BUT EVERYONE to COME TO REPENTANCE. Yet you proudly Argue God Does not "love" everyone, Go Read Your Bible Again. John 6 :44 KJV: NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER which hath sent me DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day. NIV:“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. John 6 :65 KJV:And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. NIV:He went on to say, “This is why I told you that NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER has ENABLED THEM.” Yet you say God Doesn't chose who gets to be "saved" . Read Your Bible Again. |
Religion / Can God "Lose" To The Devil? by Golden6(m): 5:34pm On Feb 16, 2019 |
It is Biblically stated , that God created human beings. Genesis 1:27 ESV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them." KJV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them." It is also stated he wants everyone to be saved 1 Timothy 2 : 4 KJV:Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. NIV:who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 2 Peter 3 : 9 KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. Now the Devil on the other hand , wants to block / shield / separate Humans from God ( Hence Heaven) 2 Corinthians 4:4 KJV:In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. NIV:The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Corinthians 11:3 KJV:But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. NIV:But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. Now for any person that doesn't make heaven, God wanted him/her to make heaven And the Devil wanted to prevent him/her from making heaven Isn't that a loss to God and a win to the Devil ? Can God lose to the Devil?? For a longer argument on whether God Exists or not , see https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist |
Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 7:30am On Feb 13, 2019 |
" I lost interest in you from this point" , but still decided to write three lengthy replies .. K "- will be a fool not to read further than Genesis--" ..K "To write off Abraham as mere alternative or otherwise unimportant is cheating Abraham and therefore incurring the curse of God.." I did not mention Abraham in my reply.. I simply asked you to be clearer about your point on circumcision , which I still don't get ".. Only Born Again's shall have God's Services ".. K "THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD GET YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD FROM THE SCRIPTURES, AND NOT FROM CHURCHES." .. Aren't pastor's supposed to be inspired/directed by God. Isn't it God who speaks through them.. unless they are fakes.. Bringing up something I said before "I wonder if there is anyone truly Christlike". Even Some Pastor's are not.. if somebody can fake being born again, up to being a pastor.. that's just another reason to believe that people may not be as Christlike as they seem.. "I NEVER WRITE THESE SCRIPTURES FOR PEOPLE TO READ- YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE EVER COMING TO THE INTERNET- ".. no one asked you to ... Make whatever point u want to make from the scripture.. I've read the 22 verses u just gave on Abraham. AND I DON'T GET WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE "THE PURPOSE OF THE BIBLE IS TO ENABLE US TO LEARN HOW TO THINK MATURELY".. K So unless you read the Bible , you aren't mature.. 5+ Billion people aren't mature, because you say so.. K .. It's Hilarious you think of yourself as mature.It couldn't be more obvious that you lack Home Training ( Respect) *HOW CAN GOD POSSIBLY LOVE A MAN WHO MURDERED HIS PEOPLE FOR BASE MATERIAL GAIN AS MUCH AS SOMEONE WHO DID HIS WILL THE WHOLE TIME, AND SAVED LIVES?" .. I wrote That everyone does what is best for themselves.. I would really try to write something to send this view of mine effectively .. (I believe , that armed robber , did what he did , because it was the best decision available to him.. God should know that as well, so how can he hate someone for making the best decision available to him) I know, even I would come after myself for claiming murder was the best decision available to a person.. it's not morally sound.. Yet , that's my belief.. "YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY STUPID TO KNOW THAT GOD CURSED, TORTURED, AND KILLED PEOPLE- AND THEN WONDER WHETHER THAT MEANT HE LOVED THEM OR HATED THEM!" K .. God Hates sinners.. why does he now send his Children to go "save" them by doing evangelism.. "ONLY AN INSANE FOOL DOES NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOVE AND HATE!" .. K "IF YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO READ THE BIBLE BEYOND THE BOOK OF GENESIS, AND NOT EVEN BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ IN THAT ONE BOOK, HOW CAN YOU BE SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND FURTHER EXPLANATIONS?" ... K I never said being angry is wrong.. I meant acting on the impulse of anger is unwise "YOU ARE STILL FOOLISH TO BE COMPARING YOURSELF WITH OTHER SINNERS, WHEN YOU HAVE FAILED TO KEEP THE ONLY COMMANDMENT THAT MATTERS!".. K "GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIS SON AND BELIEVE THAT HE CAME OUT FROM GOD." From that God doesn't love those who practise Judaism ( isrealites ) .. Really?? My psychiatrist girlfriend She was a psychologist , and is as old as my mother.. That statement of yours indicates your lack of Wisdom. "IF GOD SENT ME TO THE BOKO HARAM, IT WOULD ONLY BE TO END THEM" Lol.. i said if God sent you to go preach to them "save them" , you diverted to God sends you to kill them.. .. wtf I don't think you evangelise .. you seem to have this belief that Unbeleivers are worthless and hopeless and only deserve death.. "GOD HAS NO REASON TO SEND SOMEONE TO KILL THE BOKO HARAM OR OTHERWISE RENDER THEIR ORGANIZATION DEFUNCT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT VIOLATING ANY COMMANDMENTS OF GOD". ... Firstly I never mentioned killing Boko Haram , if God wanted to do that he should be able to do it on his own Next , "They are not violating any commandments of God" .. really.. how about " thou shall not kill".. ?? So you're claiming all the soldiers who spend their lives fighting to keep you safe are sinners ..? As they are trying to render Boko Haram extinct ?? To think those men are dying trying to protect you.. Asides, medicine and the armed forces .. I also don't get how anyone can be a believer yet practise those professions .. Medicine , is it that you don't believe in your God's ability to heal.. or you believe he needs your help him to heal.. I believe Jesus never held a scalpel now did he... He simply touched , or prayed .. but you believe you can treat someone.. the only treatment they should need is a prayer.. And now the army , If they where born again , how exactly can going to kill people be justified.. " They are simply protecting Believer's by any means necessary". Because God can't do that by himself ??.. They need to sin?? .. Moreover , why protect the saved , ..by sending the unsaved to hell ( well , you said hell doesn't exist , so Why protect the saved ,by destroying the souls of the unsaved"... If the saved die , they go to heaven , so death shouldn't be something to be afraid of / to be unwanted by a believer. .. I actually respect and Appreciate both professions immensely.. I just done see how they can be "Christlike" "ALL THOSE SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS KILLED BY THE BOKO HARAM WERE IN VIOLATION OF THIS COMMANDMENT OF GOD. .. They were trying to create a Kingdom for their Church Organizations, not THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. That is why God didn’t Save them: they had REJECTED Salvation." I guess you mean Christians who decided to evangelise to Boko , but lost their lives in the process violated God's Commandment ,?? .. Alright Job didn't love his children.. he didn't teach them to be decout for themselves .. Wow ...a man Good enough for God , is a man who doesn't love his children enough.. really? "SEE HOW FOOLISH YOU ARE? You have, by your own admission, NEVER READ THOSE VERSES IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE- notice that your PSYCHIATRIST MOMMA never counselled you to READ THE WHOLE BIBLE. Yet you think that she is a “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!” See how GULLIBLE you have been!" It's like you didn't get me.. I walked into a psychologists office , looking for counselling , At the end of That day , she invited me to her church , I never went there again. So I don't really understand all these your fantasies bayii.. PSYCHIATRIST MOMMA.. I wonder what sort of a holy mind yours is, Brother Oaroloye , that it independently developed such an immoral idea.. You're Clearly Mature .. "WHERE WAS IT WRITTEN THAT IT WAS GOD’S DUTY TO PROTECT JOB’S CHILDREN?" ..lol.. so if you have kids , you do not expect God to protect them .. k "WHEN YOU DIE WITHOUT KNOWING HOW TO NAVIGATE THE AFTERLIFE, YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF ANY PREDATOR THAT COMES ALONG." .. didn't you say before that their souls simply cease to exist Ni?? "I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED HOW ABUBAKAR SHEKAU AND HIS CRONIES ARE PERFECTLY WITHIN THEIR DIVINE RIGHTS, AND ARE DOING NOTHING THAT MERITS CAPITAL DAMNATION." .. wow.. I was simply trying to explain the concept of greater good too you.. I am not justifying the morality , or lack thereof , of the Boko Haram sect. But just to be clear , it appears you are trying to justify them.. or I misunderstand you?? "I CONTINUALLY TELL YOU SINNERS THAT YOU ARE FOOLS, BECAUSE YOU ARE SO STUPID THAT YOU WILL OTHERWISE CONTINUE TO THINK THAT YOU ARE WISE." .. K "They FALSE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES will BEG and WHEEDLE people to come join their Churches, because they really don’t care about THEM- they just want their MONEY and ADULATION for their FLATTERING LIES." Exactly.. even Entire churches , pastor's and members alike , can be Unsaved , by another Believer's standpoint .. so who is actually Christlike .. If "someone that is Christlike" differs from church to church.. "THAT SHOWS HOW VERY STUPID AND IGNORANT YOU ARE BECAUSE THE SO-CALLED TERRORISTS ARE THE TRUE PRACTICIONERS OF ISLAM, AND FOLLOWERS OF THE QUR’AN." ..Have you read the Qur'an?? .. If yes , Go and read it again.. "It is the peaceful Muslims who are the heretics and cowards of their Religion" ... So you would rather all Muslims are violent murderers who kill everyone that doesn't accept their belief ??.. because you sound annoyed / insultive towards the peaceful Muslims "LOVE YOUR ENEMIES, BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU, DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU, AND PRAY FOR THEM WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU, AND PERSECUTE YOU;" But for some reason , God Hates Sinners .. K "IT IS EASY FOR A WICKED PERSON LIKE YOURSELF, WHO NEVER LOVED LORD YESHUA, NOR FEARED GOD. Lord Yeshua’s Disciples HATE NO ENEMY. As for ISLAM being a "peaceful Religion," there are experts who show proof that it is not- here's one: CRAIG WINN- author of "TEA WITH TERRORISTS."" It's appalling , you willingly accept "experts" views on all other religions , but they unmistakably turn to "fools" when they have opinions that contradict your religion .. read the book drunk with blood .. or read your Bible ..Read the amount of people God killed , and Why .. But for some reason , he is Good.. "WHAT CAN ONE SAY TO SUCH STUPIDITY AND IDIOCY AS YOURS’?" ..like you didn't hear me from my first post.. Firstly try to tell me your point from the Bible verses you're quoting.. feel free to quote but let me get the point you are trying to make. And second , try to be less insultive.. it is only demeaning any respect for yourself. The cannanites .. Was it them only you saw Lol The Amalekites , even unborn generations The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16 Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under heaven; thou shalt not forget it. Deuteronomy 25:19 The midianites Moses "Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." I'm just going to list them as they are much.. read the book .. or your Bible Giants, the amorites , the people of Jericho , the people of ai . , 60 cities , amaziah , Syria , 20 more cities( unnamed) , the Anakim , the perrizites , moabites , ammonites , Philistines, every male in Edom , half a million isrealite soldiers , a million Ethiopians , and many more.. Numbered Killings in the Bible - 2.4 million.. Estimated total 4.6 million ( excluding 20million estimated alive during Noah's ark) You justify all these Killings , and call the executer / approver of them "Good" .. Okay then "INSTEAD OF FINDING OUT GOD’S REASONS FOR DOING THINGS, YOU JUST PRESUME HE WAS STUPID- TO IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS AND SPONSORS.".. K "How can what other Believers, who do not believe The Bible matter to you, who have never read past GENESIS, and IGNORE Scriptures graciously presented to you?" If you as well believe There are other Believer's who do not believe in God the right way,.. what have you done to point them in the right direction.. you simply ignore... Moreover .. you , could most likely , be the one headed in the wrong direction.. |
Religion / Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Golden6(m): 5:10pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Ihedinobi3: Ohh no..not to me... To the born again who told me that God doesn't love everyone. My goal is clearly stated in the question I asked.. that the link was provided |
Religion / "God Does Not Love Everyone.that Is Very Stupid Idea" by Golden6(m): 4:32pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: Without The Blood of Jesus Your Sins Remain. See Why... by Golden6(m): 4:30pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: Christ Jesus Returning 2019? by Golden6(m): 4:29pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: Syrian Muslims Find Jesus After ISIS Brutality... by Golden6(m): 4:29pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: I Believe by Golden6(m): 4:28pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: What If God Exists? (best Post You'll Ever Come Across) by Golden6(m): 4:26pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: Death Is Proof That A Higher Power (god) Exists by Golden6(m): 4:24pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: Why I Believe God Does Not Exist by Golden6(m): 4:23pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: The Evangelical Bishop Who Stopped Believing In Hell by Golden6(m): 4:21pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: Christians Of Nairaland, What If You're Wrong? by Golden6(m): 4:20pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: "ONLINE DELIVERANCE WITH THE GOD OF ELIJAH"- by Golden6(m): 4:19pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you |
Religion / Re: The Christian Chatbox ( sticky) by Golden6(m): 4:18pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
Good Day Believer's, I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it; God can do Anything God Knows Everything God loves Everyone Equally When Sinners die , they go to hell And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question; God Cannot do Anything God Does Not know Everything The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell. Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea. Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love. Here is the link to the question I asked, https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803 Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you 1 Like 1 Share |
Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:06pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
CodeSapien: Thank you , firstly for not being insultive, And also for rightly stating that I didn't consider the devil at all.. .. let me say I believe less in the existence of the devil than of the existence God.. I think that.. God made All humans , God's purpose would had been for all of his creation to Enjoy the eternal life he came to die for, .. so I believe Any human who doesn't gain eternal life , is a loss to God . And the devil , on the other hand , is doomed to hell, his only purpose is to drag as many as possible there with him.. Any soul he drags to hell with him , is a gain to him.. ... Given the evil in the world , it is obvious quite a number will go + have gone to hell , if they are judged.. Meaning , the devil , has had some success , .. and God , had some losses.. It doesn't sound like God to lose anything to the Devil... Thus i believe less in the devil's existence 1 Like |
Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 3:45pm On Feb 09, 2019 |
oaroloye: Well, to start with , I have never read the Bible past Genesis. Why, because when I hadn't realised I was atheist , I was not serious with Christianity , and I always slept off , until I gradually forgot to continue reading the Bible. And when I decided to get serious , I became atheist , so the Bible is no more or less than people's opinions , which I do not believe in. So I am not prepared to spend my valuable Time reading them. It would be biased if I decide to read the Bible , and ignore the Qur'an , and all the other holy books that exist. Now those "silly theories" was the idea of what God is supposed to be.. the idea That had been infused into me from 16+ years of going to church.. I didn't wake up and invent those "silly ideas".. I was taught the "silly ideas" in church God cannot lie nor contradict himself. Well.. God's definition is that he is "Good" , so that explains why he will not do what is "bad" , like lie .. God cannot contradict himself..okay I would had thought the Bible verse was to buttress your statement that God cannot lie nor contradict himself. But it seems you are using it probably to make a point that I am blaspheming against the holy ghost , which will not be forgiven , and I will give account of it on judgement day.. which from my knowledge means I should go to "hell". Your first bolded part , the pharisees said Jesus casted out demons , by the aid of the devil I didn't get the point you where trying to make .. only That probably the pharisees "lied" againt Jesus .. I already knew , from church , that most pharisees and saducees.. disliked Jesus.. so unless I didn't get your point , that part was just a reminder of something I've been told.. God does not know everything.. Wow .. really.. do other Christians believe this as well.. Because i was made to believe God knows everything.. He knows everything that had happened , is happening , and will happen on Earth.. Are you saying that is false ?? I was also of the belief that God is always watching , hence why no sin could be hidden from God.. i believe I have heard numerous times "God is everywhere".. The Bible verse you quoted indicated God wasn't watching Sodom and Gomorrah , but had to decide to go down there and see what they had done... If that's the case , that means I can sin , and God wouldn't know.. I mean.. he wasn't there.. unless he decided to come and see what I would be doing.. If he does not know everything , how much exactly does he know.. ?? God does not love everyone Equally... You even claim it is a stupid idea.. Wow ... Wow.. really .. Wow .. well then.. I did not know that.. Do Christians believe this as well ?? ... Well thank you brother _____ for assumming my brain has techincal difficulties.., and my gumption is offline. Now to what you have said.. Well , I want to believe that the When the pharisees where pissed that Jesus was surrounded by "sinners" Jesus said that does a doctor come to treat the sick and not those who are well .. I want to believe that this statement means God cares for , and is trying to save sinners , But from your statement , I guess you mean God loves a pastor , more than he loves that armed robber in jail.. .. Well , I don't get why you bolded circumcision again... I believe most male children in Nigeria are circumcised.. And it's not our choice to... So I don't get your points.. Also please be clear.. God loves Everyone , but some more than others.. Or God loves some and hates others.. The Lord shall send CURSING , VEXATION , REBUKE , in all sinners do ( those who don't obey the voice of God) We shall be destroyed and shall perish because of our wickedness .. I'm curious , does that indicate love or hate. I mean imagine a parent telling his child that that would be the punishment for not obeying him.. I must say, please , long Bible verses are not really for me.. please , if you will reply this , please try and summarize the verses you're quoting and the point you intend to derive from them, .. God does not know what people will do , ..really ... If God does not know our decisions in the present , how can he know the future , given that the future is simply the result of our present decisions.. Unless he doesn't know the future either... Really... So what exactly does God know?? Okay , thank you again for indicating I was displaying stupidity.. I believe I did not insult any Christian for their belief in God.. All through the post I even ensured I have God capital G's.. Your choice of words only indicates your anger at me.. for expressing my opinion.. I mean.. is it Godly to speak while you're angry Please what exactly is your purpose for writing this??.. to tell me am wrong , or to explain God to me..because so far I haven't gotten what point you're trying to make.. Are you drunk ? The answer is No. I Think. Lol.. That sounds like , " I think I am not drunk" That's not what I mean I mean I am not drunk . I Think Do you know me ?? That you assume I am a wicked soul ??.. Do I steal , Do I kill , No. Did you know that ?? .. no .. but you assume I am a wicked soul, Thank you. Ahhh, You actually say that God does not love everyone ... Wonderful.. Do all Christians believe that ??.. We'll see , how much believer's , Know God enough , to know HE DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE ... Wow.. thanks .. I actually did not know that.. Well if God does not love everyone , why will you wake up .. walk up to a stranger to evangelise , and say God loves you?? .. I'm pretty sure , if and idea dropped in your head " Go and preach to the leader of the book Haram ( Mr Y)" .. you will simply assume it's from the devil.. that God does not love (Mr Y) , and going to d Sambisa will be suicide , hence it's the devil that is trying to kill you.. To love someone is to give them whatever they need. God Loves job.. Job loved his children.. I can understand allowing him to be broke and loose his property But God knew the devil was after Job's children.. and God didn't protect them.. Instead , after job lost them , God gave him more children.. I don't think.. there is anyone here , who will say , it's alright for God to let my kids die.. so far as he gives me more .. Or was job a sinner ?? ( I'm pretty sure you where offended at that "question"... Yet for some reason you think asking "does my gumption not function? " Is okay) More Bible verses ... I must be honest.. I didn't read your verses word for word.. I just glanced through and read the bold parts.. If you will reply this.. please just make the point you got from the verse.. odds are even if I read the verse , I might not get your point.. Wow , Really .. our souls get destroyed.. i.e do not go to hell Wow.. another thing I did not know ... Wow.. Really.. I thought the devil's mission is to drag as many as possible to the pits of hell with him.. Or that's not it, hell was made for the devil alone.. unbeleivers will simply perish , not burn forever.... do all "Believer's" share this your opinion?? .. Wait.. you said *Most* .. does that mean SOME go to hell.. Or you mean some go to heaven ?? ( For those who sinned unknowingly ??) .. Well, I was giving an instance.. And I said WHOSE FUTURE.. She is not yet one.. ..i.e her videos will not exist.. And if that illustration is faulty.. Let me give another then If God killed abubakar shekau before he started Boko Haram ( I know that statement is entirely wrong , but just assume it ) .. then thousands of People killed, Muslims and unbelievers alike , had lived longer , and would have had the opportunity to be "saved" Do you get now ?? And your choice of words is offensive ... Lolzz.. whoever you are.. I have sure manage to annoy you .. From what I know... I believe those islamists soldiers in someway believe they are obeying their God.. ( I know most Muslims are peaceful..and those terrorists somehow found a way to twist the Qur'an to believe their God wants them to kill ) .. Now , they believe their obeying God .. they believe their children will die obeying God , and hence get whatever afterlife the Muslim believes to exists for "Allah's children".. It's so easy to hate terrorists now our days isn't it... If you read the post , and read the book , drunk with blood .. Or if you have even read your Bible at all.. You will have read , the people , and cities,God "Gave" to the isrealites in the Bible... "Kill All Women , Children, And Animals" ..Not once , not twice was this commanded by God , to the isrealites , in the Bible I'll get the book again, and list the number of cities God Eroded totally.. From your belief.. because they where sinners and so he didn't love them Well, let me tell you.. that is exactly, what most terrorists believe.. that their God, ordered them, to kill those who are not Muslims , because they are Sinners.. .. but for some reason , it's okay to hate Boko Haram , but believe the isrealites are God's people.. Ohh,I didn't get the definition because the Bible is too long .. like I said , and I wouldn't spend my time reading it.. .. after all , even those who have read it , still have different ideas of who Their God is.. Well , I just said I got a Christian psychologist , who referred me to her church.. So she's evil for studying psychology ... I mean, how can she be a person who believes there is no God , nor soul ,nor spiritual powers , yet still be a born again.. May you , be even more messed up than I will be. I mean.. I thought I specifically wrote to not insult .. Well , obviously , you didn't intend preaching .. you actually took time to analyze this though.. And now I am through.. but my only conclusion is that You're a believer , who believes God Does not know Everything God cannot do Everything God Does not love everyone . Please... Do other Believer's also agree with him ?? ... Or her . 1 Like |
Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:39am On Feb 09, 2019 |
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Religion / Re: An Argument That God Does Not Exist. by Golden6(m): 4:06am On Feb 08, 2019 |
Then ASUU decides to fall my hand shaa ... Lolzz.. well .. it's good they finally decided to call of the strike though |
Religion / Re: Judgement Time: Olumba Obu Open Letter To The World by Golden6(m): 3:42am On Feb 08, 2019 |
A Long Epistle #Religious God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time. I drew some conclusions - The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God -I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day - I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike" Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question To illustrate Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different. A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife. B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it. Knowing her dad's love for food. C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money. Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness. D will lie she needs money for something in school. Knowing her dad's value for her education. E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much. And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money). Now, why did they all ask in different ways? Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them. Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person. So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success. .. but now the problem this brought up.. A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us. (That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.) So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell?? The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth. Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved. Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved. Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y. He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message. He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved. So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved. Just like above , You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!! (For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.) To make it a bit clearer , Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us. God made us all perfectly But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded. We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole, So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually. Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us. He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts. God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him. But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J , But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.) Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say, My question is why can any one end up unsaved If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved. So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him. In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them. You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved. We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be. But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours. I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them. Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?. The only explanation is that all can not be saved Why is that? only two possible reasons; There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved. The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?. Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven. I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven. (Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?) Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind. So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?. No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally. No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and E will live. No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves. So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice. Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone) Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them) Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others) Confused #Personal I wrote a religiously questioning article before, then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter. Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist? And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc. I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying. I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy. And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country. Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before. Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet. I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer. ( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin" That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum. I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent. My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type). Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so. The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for. I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values. But how can I do that when I don't know what those are. As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates. So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians. Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed. Back to ASUU strike I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my fucking course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice. I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a fucking mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off. I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies. And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't. You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything. Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler . Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help. Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away. Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist |
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A Long Epistle #Religious God can do anything, Knows everything, Loves everyone Equally ; Thoughts I used to wonder why evangelism could appear to "fail" , why could a believer preach yet not convert, I mean, if they are supposed to be guided by God to the particular individual and are supposed to be speaking by the holy ghost (the holy ghost guides/inspires their speech), why would a God inspired speech not convert an unbeliever, and if God knew the speech wouldn't change the unbeliever why waste the believer's time on a fruitless endeavor when there were probably some people out there that could had been "saved" in that time. I drew some conclusions - The believer's weren't inspired by God , They simply used their knowledge to try and convince a random unbeliever chosen by intuition, about God. The believer probably had problems with his relationship with God -I wondered why, if God knew it wouldn't succeed, why let it happen at all? When He knows he would use that against the unbeliever on judgement day - I got annoyed at those who tried and failed to convert me.. I believed they just weren't the ones to "save" me. I believed someone would, and Goo d would tell that person when and how. I also believed all the "failures" had issues with their faith. They probably didn't hear God. They just chose me at random and believed they were led to choose me. Which made me wonder if people "faithful" enough to evangelize had problems, is there anyone who doesn't?? (Which was the main question that made me faithless which I am. Is there anyone who is actually "Christlike" Some thinking has negated those questions , but however has generated a more important question To illustrate Assuming some of us wanted to ask our dad for #10,000 , the way we will go about it will be different. A will ask er mum to try and convince her dad for her. Knowing her dad won't refuse his wife. B will make a dish of friend plantain and kpomo for her dad, then ask him for it. Knowing her dad's love for food. C will praise her dad all day , then ask him for the money. Knowing appreciation is her dad's weakness. D will lie she needs money for something in school. Knowing her dad's value for her education. E wouldn't bother, because she knows her dad's salary is too thin to afford giving her that much. And F will pester his dad (ask repetitively him until he agrees and gives him the money). Now, why did they all ask in different ways? Because they had different dad's. They know their dads , and they know which way will (most likely) work on them. Now ,when I thought of F (The son who pestered), I realised that probably the otherwise "failed" evangelisms where true after all and where holy ghost inspired, but they needed more messages to preach before they could convert the person. So all the apparently "failed evangelisms" where actually important efforts made to achieve success. .. but now the problem this brought up.. A - F above, tried different methods to ask their dads because they knew their dads Likewise, since God is all knowing.I want to believe God knows exactly what will save each and every one of us. (That is, assuming everyone can be saved, which must be true, God wouldn't create a soul That's doomed to hell.) So now the question, based on the fact that Good knows what can save every one, why does anyone still go to hell?? The thing is that , if they got to hell , that simply means that whichever thing/person/way that would had saved them didn't happen to them on Earth. Yes, Brother L may have been preached to Mr X ,about God's Merciful nature, but God knew only if Brother M came to preach to Him, about God's loving nature,would he had been saved. Yes Brother M preached to Miss Y ,but God knew, only if a sister came too preach to her , telling the story of Mary, would Miss Y had been saved. Yes , four people might had preached to Z , but God knew 11 people had to preach to him before he would be saved God knew from the start that brother M's preaching would have had no effect on Miss Y. He knew Mr X wouldn't had been converted by Brother L's message. He knew not enough believer's had preached to Mr Z yet, for him to be saved. So why would God use these encounters against the unbelievers on judgement day. As they now know about Christ but still aren't saved. Just like above , You think B would had made Garri and groundnut instead for her dad , and EXPECTED him to Give hey the money? Of course not!! (For those thinking the dad might still give B the money , yes he might, but B didn't know that, and That argument doesn't apply to God. By Definition , he knows everything , he knew us before we where even born, he knows what decisions we will make now and in the nearest future, so he knows exactly what will change us, and what wouldn't.) To make it a bit clearer , Imagine we are all as robots with blood in us. God made us all perfectly But his enemy came to tell us that if we cut ourselves we will be upgraded. We "chose" to cut ourselves. Some cut rectangles, some squares, others circles,some cut more than one hole, So now we're all bleeding and are doomed to die eventually. Now , God in his love and mercy sent Jesus with these cut parts (disks). squares , circles , rectangles, etc. To save us. He filled (Saved) some people personally, and gave them discs for go fill (Save) others, he gave A circles , B squares , and C rectangles Now, my opinion of "failed" evangelisms, was when A with circles goes to preach to J with square Cuts. God couldn't had sent A there, Knowing it would be fruitless, meaning A is probably disconnected from God, has problems with his faith. It's not J's fault he doesn't believe ,God knows brother A isn't the right person to convince him. But now I'm guessing it's more like A did his part in J , by preaching and filling the circular holes in J , But B also has to fill the square holes in J for him to be saved ( that's my idea of multiple preaching required to save one.) Given that it is God, who directs the believer's going to preach to who they should preach to, and guides them what they should say, My question is why can any one end up unsaved If J above wasn't saved, its because the right person/place/thing didn't make him be saved. So why exactly would God blame J for not being saved? J heard the word from M, Yes, So now he is accountable to God because he can't claim to not heard about Jesus, But A wasn't the one/ the only one who needed to save him. In other words, why does anyone go to hell when God should know it's not their fault. The perfect/right preaching wasn't delivered to them. You see I believe , it is actually God who makes that choice of who gets to be saved. We don't control life, We don't determine who we bump into on the road, if we get in an accident, who become our classmates , who are family will be. But God does, he planned all their paths to cross ours. I Believe, That God planned, that, for those to be saved, the path that will save them will cross them, and for those that wouldn't be, that path wouldn't cross them. Now, why would God Choose for anyone to not be saved? Given that negates the fact God loves Everyone?. The only explanation is that all can not be saved Why is that? only two possible reasons; There is no way for them to be saved.(e.g they have star holes) which would mean they've been doomed to hell from the start, which is not correct, as if God loves everyone, there should be the opportunity for all to be saved. The other reason is that there were ways.But those ways didn't get to them..And God knows it.So why exactly would he blame them for these ways not happening to them?. Now the only reason I can think of is the greater good. Some people have to go to hell, not to any fault of their own, but just because their going to hell , means more will get to go to heaven. I.e Maybe if one goes to hell, it ensures two go to heaven. (Like , let's say if God knew O's future is to be a IndecentStar, her dieing now (before becoming one) means less boys will get addicted to porn , and have a higher chance of making heaven , you get?) Now ,this can only mean one thing ,Everyone can't be saved. Every one can be saved, but all can not be saved , some "savable ones" have to be left behind. So , Now.. if God loves each and everyone Equally, how can Such a God Choose who Gets left behind?. No mother , will make a choice, if she is asked to save one, out of two of her children's life, no mother,That is if she loves them all equally. No mother will say, okay, Let A die if it means B,C,D and E will live. No mother , will make the choice, to doom to certain death,her child that she loves. So how can an All loving , all Knowing , and all powerful God make that Choice. Unless in some way, he is not all powerful, and cannot do Everything ( He Cannot Save Eveyone) Or , he is not all Knowing , and does not know everything (He Does Not Know People Well Enough To Know What Will Convert Them) Or he is not all loving , and does not love each and every of his creation equally.(That He Can Choose To Let Some Die For Others) Confused #Personal I wrote a religiously questioning article before, then I deleted it days later. Because I didn't want to Rob people of the peace they have in the belief that some Good that loves them, and can protect them from any danger he knows they are set to encounter. Can you imagine someone wondering if he is the Antichrist? And they'll knock with on the door, with their Bible in their hand, Brother can I talk to you, do you have a few minutes etc. I gave them audience , listened along, tried to see if i could try to believe all what they were saying. I laughed you know, there was this one guy that I watched him sign in frustration/confusion. Was I that gone. Am I that terrible that I can't be convinced of this fantasy. And this all happened because I actually wanted to get more serious with my life by being more serious with my "God". Now I have landed. Knowing fully well I will never believe in the mirage that seems to be reflecting in the eyes of majority in our country. Let me put it like this. We are in a room filled with lions ( the world which is a bad place) , We all have blindfolds on (Belief that a God is protecting is and on our side) , I take my blindfolds off and see the Lions ( I realise , God doesn't exist, and there is no Divine/special bodyguard service for me) , no matter how tightly I put back the blindfolds , I would not be peaceful as I was before. Just less than a year ago I was peacefully unserious. If Good existed or not was not my concern for then. Church was just a place to go on Sunday, a place you dress to, and see others in beautiful attire.I checked out babes if I saw one. What was my business, I didn't ask them to dress so attractively. Like I mentioned earlier , I wonder if there is anyone actually Christlike. The minutely negligible few I might consider are people I don't know at all. People I meet in church who know Bible verses, speak in tongues, e.t.c. But I am almost certain they hold some sinful attitude in their closet. I only hoped I would probably die from sickness , so I'll have time to beg for forgiveness from God so I'll make heaven. an online account is wrong, then you are not a believer. ( "Sin is sin, there is no thing as small or big sin" That was another issue, to think I might find myself in the same hell as Hitler , if all I did was steal a chewing gum. I miss where I was, peacefully unconcerned / indifferent. My intent with this post is to try and either convince others , or to get convinced , that somehow there is a God (commenting insults, or Jesus is coming soon, hell is real, repent for the kingdom of God is at hand , etc is of no effect, I've heard them a million times please type something useful, or pray for what to type). Now, is that selfish, me attempting to Rob others of their peace because I've lost mine, I guess so. The future I always saw was me being rich ( from some profession God was supposed to show me) , being a philanthropist , having a wife and kids I could provide for. I imagined me as a parent. I believe it's better to teach a child than to train (Cain) one, I've always believed teaching was the better way. Never imagining flogging my children.. Raising them with good and proper values. But how can I do that when I don't know what those are. As of now, I wonder, Will have kids. Providing physically for them is easy beans , but do I think I can raise them morally sound. So I even know what that is. Do I raise them to be blindly among the religious crowd, or raise them believing what I believe to be true, but expose them to taunting and discrimination from their mates. So I am releasing this. Yes hopefully to demolish our faith grounded morals for proper ethical way of life. A future for Nigeria where atheism is a free believe, not to be discriminated against be fellow Nigerians. Thank God for assu strike, I'm not editing that out. God has been so infused into me I still say bless you, thank God , or bless this food in our Lord's name.. they are meaningless statements to me.. always have been, but they are now a habit to me. Can't just be dismissed. Back to ASUU strike I'm supposed to become a Godly world renowned engineer ( my mom's belief), hell , I don't even know why I picked my fucking course, well , I am good at math, but what is one to expect from constant practice. I was supposed to be guided to God to know his plan & purpose for my life. Hence why I decided to get serious religiously , hence why my life is a fucking mess right now, hence why am glad for assu strike. Hopefully I can develop some interests before they call if off. I don't know how anyone believes in stories like Noah ark. Anyone who can try to convince me , please check this out and have your arguments against each of their points https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Noah's_Ark Anyone who can try to convince me that God loves everyone , please read Drunk with blood by Steve Wells and explain the love behind the documents 2._ million killings God ordered , executed , or approved of I can't see how I'm supposed to believe all these lies. And someone keeps telling me just believe , just believe , like it's some kind of choice I can just choose to make our not make. I actually needed to make the decision but I Couldn't. You would assume believing in no God has helped me solve any problems. It hasn't. Hell, it only created deeper problems for me, having no goals, no motivation, no purpose, no moral standard for anything. Hell, if I knew more about him I could actually defend Hitler . Tried to get help. Met a psychologist. Going to one isn't how Lucifer (the series) makes is seem. You're actually admitting defeat , knowing your life ( home , family, possessions) is some people's dreams out there, yet here you are, having it all, yet you're the one claiming you need help. Didn't work though. Got a Christian psychologist, referred me to her church right away. Well , I don't know, am glad I got this out https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist |
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