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A long post

Also, I believe Right and wrong are relative/subjective.

We'll , let me start
A while ago I wrote a post on religion why I believe there is no God.


Somewhere along the post, I said "everyone simply does what is best for themselves".


I simply want to try and shed more light on it, this way of thinking of mine.


I watch series, at least I try to.
And you know my worst series ever?, the ones I believe I wasted my time watching as they stopped being entertaining and started becoming annoying?


The Vampire Diaries(TVD) ,
And Prison Break. (No offence this is just my personal opinion.)


I also dislike the flash, and have decided to stop watching superhero movies that portray the lives of "Good individuals".


By the way, ironically my Best series is The Originals. Weird right (as it's a spin off from TVD).


Now, it's been a while since I watched TVD, and my ability to recall isn't so strong, so , I do not have accurate descriptions as to why I hate it so much.


However , I know it's because I am annoyed at the film's stars that they potray as "good" , I'm annoyed at them doing things, believing they are acting appropriately, because they are "good", but more importantly , them JUDGING whoever they are acting towards , because they are "Bad".



You see , there was this episode in the flash,

Circada , a guy who goes around killing meta's( humans with powers),
hurt Barry Allen's daughter ( the flash's daughter).


Now Barry is this stand up guy, in all his time fighting crime (3 years I think) he never killed anyone. Never took a life. He was against it, frowned upon it, he would do his best to AVOID IT. I.E , he can let a criminal walk away, if the ONLY other alternative is to kill them, and I mean any criminal, thief to murderer to suicide bomber, he'll not kill them, no matter what.



So now, circada , Barry has been trying to stop.


This guy has killed many meta's , and other people in his way to killing the meta's.

But Barry , only tried to STOP him, lock him up in jail, a murderer.



However, the minute circada attacked Barry's daughter ( dislocated her spine she couldn't move ) now at the time, Barry thought it was permanent, he thought circada had paralysed his daughter.


Now, circada attacked somewhere, and Barry, was going to KILL him.Circada suddenly deserved to die. He was like seconds away from killing him, when his daughter showed up running and he didn't kill him again.


Barry, had his daughter paralysed , and for that reason , he decided he was going to kill the person responsible ( yes , the person responsible was a murderer , but that wasn't responsible for Barry's decision he had always been a murderer , what changed was that now, he attacked someone Barry cares about more than the whole world. minus his wife I guess)


So Barry , decides it's okay to kill this guy who hurt his daughter ,the movie portrays Barry Allen as the hero,


But circada is a villan.

Now, circada , we we're told , only started killing them after his niece was knocked into a coma because of meta's .


So circada blamed all meta's and decided they all had to die.


Now,why exactly is one to believe Barry is any better than circada ??


To me they are both the same. They're are both men who where angered, that someone they cared about so much was hurt, because of the actions of another person. And they both decided to take revenge ( even if revenge was murder).


Now , I don't dislike Barry Allen because he attacked circada.
I mean, I understand that , circada hurt someone Soo important to him,it's understandable he will be annoyed , and that anger can drive him to revenge.


I dislike him because for reason he thinks he's a better person , and circada a bad person.
They both make the best decisions for themselves.


Circada is still a murderer , but you know there's a reason why he does what he does. Now does that make him good or bad ??


Both him and Barry's reason are the same (their child got hurt) the only difference is that circada blames more people, not just one person.


Is Barry Allen good or bad ??.


Just like Acrimony, i dislike Robert , and HATE the ending Tyler Perry gave Melinda. like i was doubtful that was the actual end. I was disappointed , someone as important as Tyler Perry, wrote a movie, and that was the best end he saw for Melinda .Anchored her to the bottom of the ocean. Looking like a mad person.
She only got there because she made the best decisions for herself. (Now, obviously i don't mean holding an axe to chop your ex is a necessarily a good decision)


She was an ACTION person with Anger issues. I mean, she rammed her car into a trailer because she caught her boyfriend cheating. That clearly shows she makes irrational decisions , fuelled by her anger


So to her , whose anger is probably genetically
, Who spent her whole life for this guy,He is literarily her life!, then she watches him give his time and attention to another woman, her anger , made the best decision for her to be that agressive action.


Melinda has issues ( anger ) but that is who she is, an angry person.


I later realised i hadn't viewed Roberts side(He also made his best decisions) when i did , i hated him less. But still hate him though. It was unfortunate she met him.



Look at Alex Mahone in prison break. He was told kill 7 men , or K-men would kill his wife and child.


He decided to save the people important to him at any cost.


Now, in the process , he killed Lincoln's dad.
Now , Lincoln , is this guy , who at the beginning of the movie, was also given a choice , kill the president's brother , or we kill your son. He didn't consider the president's brother is an important person. Or he considered it but it didn't mean shit. He had to protect the one important to him at any cost.


So he went to go kill this guy, he drank beer ( but want drunk) , he went to where the guy was, raised the gun. He had decided to kill him.
Now, the guys who hired him had a different plan for him, the president's brother's death was staged already, they just needed him to be the fall guy.


My point?
Lincoln ALREADY DECIDED to kill someone that important to save his son. Yet he claims to be good because he didn't go through with it (it wasn't his decision to not kill the guy again).


Mahone killed Lincoln's father to save his Son AND Wife. Yet Lincoln hated him because he was a "bad" person.

I understand if he hated him because he killed his dad. That's understandable, but hating him because he is a bad person, now that's what answered me, it was like a pot judging a kettle for being black.


Now when Lincoln knew Mahone did it because it was for his son, he still hated him, but then he later forgave him. That action I commend. But still dislike him thoo.


Now, Mahone had his son killed by let's say Dre, who works for K-men . I didn't dislike Mahone all the while he was killing people, he had to. When I disliked him, was when he tortured and killed the guy who killed his son. Like , aren't u both fucking the same, I hated Lincoln for judging you, but I hate you more for torturing and killing Dre.

Now , the movie doesn't tell us Dre's loved one was threatened and that's why Dre killed Mahone's son.The movie makes it appear as though Dre killed Mahoney's son for money.


Now, who is to say it's alright for Mahone to kill to save his wife and Son, but it's wrong for Dre to kill for money.

The money might be to pay for his twin brothers cancer treatment do you know ?? But it's wrong definitely



Now for those who say it's wrong that Mahone killed to save his wife and son, well I dont know. what would you had done ??


The movie made it clear ,
The people threathening weren't joking,
Moving them wasn't an option as they were under surveillance
The police were compromised , so he couldn't had gone to them for help.


So , he had NO OTHER OPTION.

kill these men, or we kill your family.
Letting his family die is the right choice ??

Or both choices are bad , he only chose the lesser evil ??


Let me rephrase
Let us kill two people , or you kill 7 people .

Morally , the right choice should be let them kill 2 people. You aren't the one killing so it's not on you,
And that way less people die,
So how is killing 7 the lesser evil??


But yet , it appears the choice we will all make is to kill 7 people(I apologise if I am wrongly assuming this, this is just my opinion)


I assume some Christians will be like

We'll the bad guys bleeped up when they threatened me.I'll just talk to my all powerful dad now , and not only will he protect my family , but he will end them.
Or for some other Christians, he will convert them and they'll come and beg for my forgiveness tomorrow, which I will gladly give them.



Well, to me , God doesn't exist. So that's not really an option to me. That's just doing nothing


(I assume an all knowing God, should know the idea I am trying to pass across,
He should know all our actions , he should know the reason everyone has behind their actions. He should know EVERYONE SIMPLY LIVED MAKING THE BEST DECISIONS FOT THEMSELVES ) So him just watching people go to hell? that is not a "Good" attribute now is it?








The "bad" guys always have a reason for what they do.. who is to determine if the cause is just enough or not??

Who gave us the authority to say they are bad and judge them without knowing the reason behind their actions??


Everyone has always made the best decisions for themselves in every situation they were in.
Everyone from Bill Gates to Hitler.

IS THE BEST VERSION OF THEMSELVES.

That's my belief shaa. and I believe it's right, not really a peaceful thing to believe. I mean, I can honestly look in a mirror and say Hitler was the best version of himself. That's not really so comforting. But I believe there's a saying that the truth is bitter.


I don't think this post is as clear as it should be, Il I'll try to update it as time goes on.
I don't know.. I'd love to hear the opinions of others on this view of mine.

I'll appreciate if your replies aren't insultive, thank you.

Here's the link to the earlier post on why I don't believe God exists


https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist

Peace ✌️


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This free will stuff, I didn't mention God Forcing any decision on anyone now. I said God, should be able to create the conditions required for the individual to make the decision God wants him to make.


And if the individual doesn't make the decision, that simply means the situation wasn't right for it.

So I'm not arguing against man's ability to make decisions.

An extra question for Christians https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist

paxonel:
One atheist says because he is wicked God, thats how he created the devil to torment people.

Are there mosquitos in hell fire or heaven?

What are the economic importance of mosquito?

To me, i see mosquito as a reminder that we should clean our environment, what do you think?

Lol..

They cause 400,000 deaths anually. Surely there should had been a less violent way to remind us to keep a good hygiene

oaroloye:
[CONCLUSION:]



[color=silver]./color] 2nd PETER 3:8-12.

8. But, Beloved,
be not ignorant of this one thing,

“THAT ONE DAY IS WITH THE LORD
AS A THOUSAND YEARS,
AND A THOUSAND YEARS AS ONE DAY.”

9. The Lord is not slack concerning his Promise,
as some men count slackness;
but is longsuffering to us-ward,
not willing that any should Perish,
but that all should come to Repentance.
10. But The Day of the Lord will come
as a Thief in the Night;
in the which the Heavens shall pass away
with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
The Earth also and the Works
that are therein shall be burned up.
11. Seeing then that all these things
shall be dissolved,
what manner of persons ought ye to be
in all holy conversation and godliness,
12. Looking for and hasting unto
The Coming of The Day of God,
wherein the Heavens being on Fire
shall be dissolved,
and the elements shall melt
with fervent heat?

CEPHAS WAS ANOTHER LIAR.

He and his fellow Disciples were Commanded by Lord Yeshua to SERVE their Juniors- as an example, he bowed down to them and washed their feet. That was like an ELDER prostrating to a JUNIOR here in lower Africa: IT WAS NOT DONE.

This was Lord Yeshua's ULTIMATE TEST of their LOVE for him: THEY ALL FAILED THAT TEST.

They NEVER respected him after that.

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 14:29-31.

27. And Jesus saith unto them,

"All ye shall be offended
because of me this night:
for it is written,

'I WILL SMITE THE SHEPHERD,
AND THE SHEEP SHALL BE SCATTERED.'

28. "But after that I am risen,
I will go before you into Galilee."

29. But Peter said unto him,

"Although all shall be offended,
yet will not I."

30. And Jesus Saith unto him,

"Verily I Say unto thee,

'THAT THIS DAY,
EVEN IN THIS NIGHT,
BEFORE THE COCK CROW TWICE,
THOU SHALT DENY ME THRICE.' "

31. But he Spake the more vehemently,

"If I should die with thee,
I will not deny thee in any wise."

Likewise also said they all.

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 14:50.

50. And they all forsook him, and fled.

THEY ALL RECOGNIZED HIM AS A PROPHET OF GOD: SO BY LYING TO HIM, AND BREAKING THEIR OATHS TO HIM, THEY ALL RENOUNCED SALVATION AT THIS POINT.

Lord Yeshua merely USED them for his purpose of spreading awareness of his Ministry.

Anyone competent and worthy to be Saved would NOT rely upon THEM, but endeavor to follow HIS REAL TEACHINGS.

It was not until after the deaths of CEPHAS and PAUL, after 60AD, that THE FIRST GOSPELS were RELEASED.

Comparing them with THE BOOK OF ACTS and The EPISTLES, we see how "THE APOSTLES" deliberately deceived the Early Church.

For instance, since Lord Yeshua told them that The Kingdom of God would come in Glory in the lifetime of those who stood with him, they therefore told the Church that Lord Yeshua was coming back very soon.

After nearly 30 years, there was no sign of Lord Yeshua Returning, so CEPHAS had to COVER-UP.

Coming up with that GOD doesn't care about Time- or words to that effect.

Lord Yeshua SAID he would Return in the Generation that saw ALL of the MATTHEW 24 SIGNS come to pass at once.

Since THE TRUE GOSPEL has NEVER been preached in ANY Nation, there was NEVER a chance that Lord Yeshua could have Returned.

Notice that CEPHAS' "Return of The Lord" is DIFFERENT from what is preached nowadays.

CEPHAS THOUGHT that Lord Yeshua would Return to DESTROY EVERYTHING in an EXPLOSION- and that THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST THING WE WOULD KNOW.

CEPHAS did NOT believe in any sort of "RAPTURE:" secret or otherwise.

He was there when Lord Yeshua explained how he would Return, so the only explanation I can think of is that HE WAS DELIBERATELY SUPPRESSING THE ACTUAL TEACHINGS OF THE LORD.

Remember that NO ONE ELSE had access to THE GOSPELS until AFTER he died.

THE BOOK OF REVELATION would not be written for nearly 100 years after his Death, when YOCHANNAN was exiled to PATMOS to die, after an attempt to FRY him like Puff-Puff failed.

He did not believe in any SEVEN-YEAR TRIBULATION to PRECEDE The Return of The Lord.



IN ORDER TO MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A BAD PERSON, YOU HAD TO ADD YOUR PERSONAL JUDGMENT, "PROUDLY" TO MY FORTHRIGHT DECLARATION OF TRUTH.

You LIED by claiming that I made such a statement on my own authority, with no Scriptural justification nor foundation whatsoever.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 14:15-27.

15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. "And I will pray the Father,
and He shall give you another Comforter,
that He may abide with you for ever;
17. "Even the Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World cannot receive,
because it seeth him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. “Yet a little while,
and the World seeth me no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. “At that Day ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,
and I in you.
21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it that thou
wilt manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and The Word which ye hear is not mine,
but The Father's Which sent me.
25. "These Things have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But the Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom the Father will send in my Name,
He shall Teach you All Things,
and bring All Things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

HAVE YOU EVEN READ ANY OF THAT PASSAGE BEFORE?

It is possible that you never have.

An honest person would state what Church they belonged to, and whose Beliefs and Interpretations they were proclaiming.

You have demonstrated that you are not an honest person.

GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIS SON, LORD YESHUA.

Those who love Lord Yeshua are those who HAVE and KEEP his Commandments.

To admit that, you would have to admit that YOU HAVE NEVER LOVED GOD, NOR LORD YESHUA, and NEITHER OF THEM love YOU.

I have NEVER seen anyone like you admit that- they were too much in love with their DELUSIONS.



IT IS VERY RUDE TO TELL AN ELDER WHO HAS BEEN PREACHING THE GOSPEL SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN TO "READ YOUR BIBLE AGAIN."

You do not even know that the NEW INTERNATIONAL BIBLE is a FAKE Bible.

[See: NEW AGE BIBLE VERSIONS, by Gail Liplinger.]

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes were gathered together unto him,
so that he went into a ship, and sat;
and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3. And he Spake many things
unto them in Parables,
saying,

"Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
6. "And when the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why speakest thou unto them in Parables?"

11. He answered and Said unto them,

"Because it is given unto you to know
The Mysteries of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore speak I to them in Parables:
because they seeing see not;
and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.


19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY THAT
WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.

20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.

22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED SEED
AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.

23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY,
SOME THIRTY.' "

Obviously, God chooses THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND to come to Lord Yeshua.

He uses ACTIVE TRUTH in them to draw them.

He CANNOT draw everyone.

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 6:41-45.

41. The Jews then murmured at him,
because he Said,

" I AM THE BREAD
WHICH CAME DOWN
FROM HEAVEN."

42. And they said,
"Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph,
whose father and mother we know?
how is it then that he saith,

'I CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN?' "

43. Jesus therefore answered
and Said unto them,

"Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me,
except the Father
Which hath sent me
draw him:
and I will raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in the Prophets,

'AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT OF GOD.'

Every man therefore that hath heard,
and hath learned of The Father,
cometh unto me."

WHY DID YOU NOT REALIZE THAT GOD WAS NOT DRAWING THOSE WHO MURMURED AGAINST LORD YESHUA?

Why did you not accept that as EVIDENCE that God does NOT LOVE EVERYONE?

[color=silver].[/color] 2^ndCHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
Run to and fro
throughout the whole Earth,
to shew Himself strong
in the behalf of them
whose heart is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars."

[color=silver].[/color] 2^ndAMOS 3;3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

HOW COULD GOD POSSIBLY LOVE BOTH THE RIGHTEOUS WHO LOVE HIM AND HIS SERVANTS, AND THE WICKED WHO HATE HIM AND HIS SERVANTS?

How would that work?

How can God draw people to Lord Yeshua who do not want him, and would like to kill him, and anyone else who served him?

How can God draw people who give His Word in their hearts to THE DEVIL?

They do that to PREVENT Him from drawing them!

If you ever preached The Gospel to people, you would recognize It.

Don't you recognize it in yourself?

An honest person would state what Church they belonged to, and whose Beliefs and Interpretations they were proclaiming.
(None Obviously.)





GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIS SON, LORD YESHUA.
This means God only loves Born Again's.
Loving someone is wanting the best for that person.
To the believer, Being saved will be the best thing that can happen to one.


If God only loves Born Again's , why do people evangelise??

Why would God want something good to happen to people he hates??



Because if he hates them, he wouldn't want anything good For them, hence he wouldn't want them to be saved.






IT IS VERY RUDE TO TELL AN ELDER WHO HAS BEEN PREACHING THE GOSPEL SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN TO "READ YOUR BIBLE AGAIN."

I guess we're even then.. I trust you do not expect an apology, given you're language in preceding posts which haven't been apologised for. I must however acknowledge the improvement in this post. It was much less insultive.






You do not even know that the NEW INTERNATIONAL BIBLE is a FAKE Bible.

The verses quoted where also in KJV .. I used NIV so the English would be clearer that's all.

All the Views, Not One Refute?

Michellekabod1:
You are beyond stupid is my response for your folly. As adviced by Hahn,go kiss an ass...you alongside some crooked workers of iniquity are a sorry bunch. Charlatans like yourselves were one of the reasons i dumped christianity.
Get it into you thick primitive skull that my updates will come at my own pace and timing.
If you have an issue with that...i owe you no apology

I thought she just said she had repented �

I didn't see any reply from her about how she got converted, or has she replied ??

..Are you ashamed to talk about your conversion or You do not have anything to talk about??

It is Biblically stated , that God created human beings.


Genesis 1:27
ESV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

KJV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."




It is also stated he wants everyone to be saved


1 Timothy 2 : 4
KJV:Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

NIV:who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.


2 Peter 3 : 9
KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.




Now the Devil on the other hand , wants to block / shield / separate Humans from God ( Hence Heaven)

2 Corinthians 4:4
KJV:In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

NIV:The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


2 Corinthians 11:3
KJV:But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

NIV:But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.





Now for any person that doesn't make heaven,

God wanted him/her to make heaven

And the Devil wanted to prevent him/her from making heaven





Isn't that a loss to God and a win to the Devil ?

Hasn't God lost to the Devil?

Can that be possible ??



For a longer argument on whether God Exists or not , see


https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!

Why make up silly theories about God, and then reject God, when He does not measure up to them?



GOD CANNOT DO "ANYTHING."

God cannot lie, nor contradict Himself.

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:22-37.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that the blind and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this the Son of David?"

24. But when the Pharisees heard it, they said,

"THIS FELLOW DOTH NOT
CAST OUT DEVILS,
BUT BY BEELZEBUB
THE PRINCE OF THE DEVILS."

25. And Jesus knew their thoughts,
and said unto them,

"Every kingdom divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then his Kingdom stand?"
27. "And if I by Beelzebub cast out Devils,
by whom do your children cast them out?
therefore they shall be your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can one enter into
a Strong Man's House, and spoil his Goods,
except he first bind the Strong Man?
and then he will spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me is against me;
and he that gathereth not with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN.'

32. "And whosoever speaketh a word
against the Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known by his fruit.
34. "O generation of Vipers,
how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A good man out of
the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of the evil treasure
bringeth forth evil things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.'

37. "For by thy words thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words thou shalt be condemned."


GOD CANNOT FIGHT AGAINST HIS OWN OPERATIONS.

GOD DOES NOT KNOW EVERYTHING.

. GENESIS 18:20.

20. And The LORD Said,

"Because the Cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great,
and because their Sin is very grievous;
21. "I will go down now, and see whether they have done
altogether according to the Cry of it,
which is come unto Me; and if not, I will know."

GOD OPERATES ABOVE THE EARTH UNIVERSE LEVEL, ON SEVEN LEVELS OF WISDOM AND UNDERSTANDING.

Therefore, He cannot observe Foolishness and Stupidity on Earth, unless He is prepared to immediately judge whatever He looks at.

He cannot be party to Evil.

Therefore, He does not want to know everything.

GOD DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE EQUALLY.

What sort of stupid idea would that be?

[color=silver].[/color] GENESIS 17:1-14.

AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared unto Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a father of many nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called 'Abram,'
but thy name shall be 'Abraham;'
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful,
and I will make nations of thee,
and kings shall come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee in their generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
8. "And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan,
for an Everlasting Possession;
and I will be their God.”

9. And God said unto Abraham,

" Thou shalt keep My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
which ye shall keep,
between Me and you and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'

11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be a Token of The Covenant
betwixt Me and you.
12. "And he that is eight days old
shall be circumcised among you
every man child in your generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born in thy house,
and he that is bought with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised man child
whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised,
that soul shall be cut off from his people;
he hath broken My Covenant."

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 28:1-20.

AND it shall come to pass,
if thou shalt hearken diligently
unto The Voice of The LORD thy God,
to observe and to do
all His Commandments
Which I Command thee this day,
that the LORD thy God
will set thee on high
above all nations of the Earth.
2. And all these Blessings
shall come on thee,
and overtake thee,
if thou shalt hearken unto
The Voice of The LORD thy God.
3. Blessed shalt thou be in the city,
and blessed shalt thou be in the field.
4. Blessed shall be the fruit of thy body,
and the fruit of thy ground,
and the fruit of thy cattle,
the increase of thy kine,
and the flocks of thy sheep.
5. Blessed shall be thy basket
and thy store.
6. Blessed shalt thou be
when thou comest in,
and blessed shalt thou be
when thou goest out.
7. The LORD shall cause thine Enemies
that rise up against thee
to be smitten before thy face:
they shall come out
against thee one way,
and flee before thee seven ways.
8. The LORD shall
Command the Blessing
upon thee in thy storehouses,
and in all that thou settest
thine hand unto;
and He shall Bless the
in the land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
9. The LORD shall establish thee
an Holy people unto Himself,
as he hath sworn unto thee,
if thou shalt keep
The Commandments of
The LORD thy God,
and walk in His Ways.
10. And all people of the Earth
shall see that thou art
called by The Name of the LORD;
and they shall be afraid of thee.
11. And The LORD shall make thee
plenteous in goods,
in the fruit of thy body,
and in the fruit of thy cattle,
and in the fruit of thy ground,
in the land which The LORD sware
unto thy fathers to give thee.
12. The LORD shall open unto thee
His Good Treasure,
the Heaven to give the rain
unto thy land in his season,
and to Bless all the Work of thine hand:
and thou shalt lend unto many nations,
and thou shalt not borrow.
13. And The LORD shall
make thee the head,
and not the tail;
and thou shalt be above only,
and thou shalt not be beneath;
if that thou hearken unto
The Commandments of The LORD thy God,
Which I Command thee this day,
to observe and to do them:
14. And thou shalt not go aside
from any of the Words
Which I Command thee this Day,
to the right hand,
or to the left,
to go after other gods
to serve them.

15. But it shall come to pass,
if thou wilt not hearken unto
The Voice of The LORD thy God,
to observe to do
all His Commandments
and His Statutes
Which I Command thee this Day;
That all these Curses
shall come upon thee,
and overtake thee:

16. Cursed shalt thou be in the city,
and cursed shalt thou be in the field.
17. Cursed shall be thy basket
and thy store.
18. Cursed shall be
the fruit of thy body,
and the fruit of thy land,
the increase of thy kine,
and the flocks of thy sheep.
19. Cursed shalt thou be
when thou comest in,
and cursed shalt thou be
when thou goest out.

20. The LORD shall send upon thee
cursing, vexation, and rebuke,
in all that thou settest thine hand unto
for to do,
until thou be destroyed,
and until thou perish quickly;
because of the wickedness of thy doings,
whereby thou hast forsaken Me.

THERE ARE PEOPLE WORKING TO SUPPORT GOD'S INTERESTS, AND PEOPLE WORKING IN OPPOSITION TO GOD'S INTERESTS, AGAINST HIS WILL- AND YOU THINK THAT GOD LOVES THEM EQUALLY?

Something must be wrong with that your brain!

Does your gumption not function?



[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 13:1-23.

THE same day
went Jesus out of the house,
and sat by the sea side.
2. And great multitudes were
gathered together unto him,
so that he went into a ship, and sat;
and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3. And he Spake many things
unto them in Parables,
Saying,

"Behold, a Sower went forth to sow;
4. "And when he sowed,
some seeds fell by the way side,
and the fowls came
and devoured them up:
5. "Some fell upon stony places,
where they had not much earth:
and forthwith they sprung up,
because they had no deepness of earth:
6. "And when the Sun was up,
they were scorched;
and because they had no root,
they withered away.
7. "And some fell among thorns;
and the thorns sprung up,
and choked them:
8. "But other fell into good ground,
and brought forth fruit,
some an hundredfold,
some sixtyfold,
some thirtyfold.
9. "Who hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

10. And the Disciples came,
and said unto him,

"Why Speakest thou unto them in Parables?"

11. He answered and Said unto them,

"Because it is given unto you to know
The Mysteries of The Kingdom of Heaven,
but to them it is not given.
12. "For whosoever hath,
to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance:
but whosoever hath not,
from him shall be taken away
even that he hath.
13. "Therefore Speak I to them in Parables:
because they seeing see not;
and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand.
14. "And in them is fulfilled
the Prophecy of Esaias,
which saith,

'BY HEARING YE SHALL HEAR,
AND SHALL NOT UNDERSTAND;
AND SEEING YE SHALL SEE,
AND SHALL NOT PERCEIVE:
15. 'FOR THIS PEOPLE'S HEART
IS WAXED GROSS,
AND THEIR EARS
ARE DULL OF HEARING,
AND THEIR EYES
THEY HAVE CLOSED;
LEST AT ANY TIME
THEY SHOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES
AND HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND SHOULD UNDERSTAND
WITH THEIR HEART,
AND SHOULD BE CONVERTED,
AND I SHOULD HEAL THEM.'

16. "But Blessed are your eyes,
for they see:
and your ears,
for they hear.
17. "For verily I Say unto you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND RIGHTEOUS MEN
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.'

18. "Hear ye therefore
The Parable of the Sower.

19. 'WHEN ANY ONE HEARETH
THE WORD OF THE KINGDOM,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT NOT,
THEN COMETH THE WICKED ONE,
AND CATCHETH AWAY THAT
WHICH WAS SOWN IN HIS HEART.
THIS IS HE WHICH RECEIVED SEED
BY THE WAY SIDE.

20. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED THE SEED
INTO STONY PLACES,
THE SAME IS HE
THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND ANON WITH JOY
RECEIVETH IT;
21. 'YET HATH HE NOT ROOT IN HIMSELF,
BUT DURETH FOR A WHILE:
FOR WHEN TRIBULATION OR PERSECUTION
ARISETH BECAUSE OF THE WORD,
BY AND BY HE IS OFFENDED.

22. 'HE ALSO THAT RECEIVED SEED
AMONG THE THORNS
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD;
AND THE CARE OF THIS WORLD,
AND THE DECEITFULNESS OF RICHES,
CHOKE THE WORD,
AND HE BECOMETH UNFRUITFUL.

23. 'BUT HE THAT RECEIVED SEED
INTO THE GOOD GROUND
IS HE THAT HEARETH THE WORD,
AND UNDERSTANDETH IT;
WHICH ALSO BEARETH FRUIT,
AND BRINGETH FORTH,
SOME AN HUNDREDFOLD,
SOME SIXTY,
SOME THIRTY.' "

God cannot know who will receive The Gospel and who won't because He cannot know what stupid people will do, unless He interferes in their lives.

He knows what people should do- but they usually won't.



This is an example of the "stupidity" I was talking about.

How could you be SAVED, when you didn't BELIEVE THE GOSPEL?

You are an ON-THE-ROCK.

You do not UNDERSTAND anything.

[color=silver].[/color] JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT (IS) WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL
(IS) UNDERSTANDING.' "

[color=silver].[/color] PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding have all they
that do (His Commandments):
His Praise endureth for ever.

[color=silver].[/color] MARK 1:14-15.

14. Now after that John
was put in prison,
Jesus came into Galilee,
preaching The Gospel
of The Kingdom of God,
15. And Saying,

"The time is fulfilled,
and The Kingdom of God is at hand:
repent ye,
and believe The Gospel."

HOW CAN YOU BE SAVED, WHEN YOU HAVE NO RESPECT FOR GOD, NOR REMORSE FOR YOUR SINFULNESS?



THIS AMOUNT OF SILLINESS IS UNBELIEVABLE!

Are you DRUNK?

[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:35.

35. "A good man out of
the good treasure of the heart
bringeth forth good things:
and an evil man out of the evil treasure
bringeth forth evil things.

GOD GAVE YOU A SIMPLE INSTRUCTION: REPENT, AND BELIEVE THE GOSPEL- BEING SUCH A WICKED SOUL, YOU DECIDED NOT TO OBEY GOD.

Nobody else made that decision for you: YOU, AND ONLY YOU, DECIDED THAT YOU WOULD NOT BE SAVED.

Then you COMPOUNDED your DAMNATION with BLASPHEMY, Ssaying that GOD CHOSE for you to REJECT His Mercy!

[color=silver].[/color] NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any soul sin through ignorance,
then he shall bring a she goat of the first year
for a sin offering.
28. "And the Priest shall make an Atonement
for the soul that sinneth ignorantly,
when he sinneth by ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
29. "Ye shall have One Law for him
that sinneth through ignorance,
both for him that is born among The Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger that sojourneth among them.
30. "But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously,
whether he be born in the Land, or a Stranger,
the same reproacheth the LORD;
and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
31. "Because he hath Despised The Word of The LORD,
and hath Broken His Commandment,
that soul shall utterly be cut off;
his iniquity shall be upon him."

THE PROMISES OF SALVATION ONLY APPLY TO THOSE WHO SIN UNKNOWINGLY!

There are NO PROMISES obliging God to FORGIVE anyone who SINS KNOWINGLY.



IT DOES NOT GET ANY MORE STUPID THAT THAT!

WHO TOLD YOU that God LOVES EVERYONE?

What EVIDENCE did they SHOW YOU, that PROVED to you that "GOD LOVES EVERYONE?"

[color=silver].[/color] JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it that thou
wilt manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and The Word which ye hear is not mine,
but The Father's which sent me.
25. "These things have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But the Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom the Father will send in my Name,
He shall Teach you All Things,
and bring All Things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

TO LOVE SOMEONE IS TO GO OUT-OF-YOUR-WAY TO MAKE THEM HAPPY.

To LOVE someone means TO DO WHATEVER THEY SAY, AND GIVE THEM WHATEVER THEY NEED.

Where have you seen GOD do that for SINNERS?

John 3 : 16
16
KJV: FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD (Did it say Believer's?), that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
NIV: FOR GOD SO LOVED THE WORLD that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.






1 Timothy 2 : 4
KJV:WTho WILL HAVE ALL MEN TO BE SAVED, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

NIV: WHO WANTS ALL PEOPLE TO BE SAVED and to come to a knowledge of the truth.



2 Peter 3 : 9
KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT WILLING THAT ANY SHOULD PERISH, BUT that ALL should COME TO REPENTANCE.

NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, NOT WANTING ANYONE TO PERISH, BUT EVERYONE to COME TO REPENTANCE.





Yet you proudly Argue God Does not "love" everyone, Go Read Your Bible Again.






John 6 :44

KJV: NO MAN CAN COME TO ME, EXCEPT THE FATHER which hath sent me DRAW HIM: and I will raise him up at the last day.

NIV:“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.



John 6 :65

KJV:And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

NIV:He went on to say, “This is why I told you that NO ONE CAN COME TO ME UNLESS THE FATHER has ENABLED THEM.”




Yet you say God Doesn't chose who gets to be "saved" . Read Your Bible Again.

It is Biblically stated , that God created human beings.


Genesis 1:27
ESV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them."

KJV: "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."




It is also stated he wants everyone to be saved


1 Timothy 2 : 4
KJV:Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

NIV:who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.


2 Peter 3 : 9
KJV:The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

NIV:The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.




Now the Devil on the other hand , wants to block / shield / separate Humans from God ( Hence Heaven)

2 Corinthians 4:4
KJV:In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

NIV:The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.


2 Corinthians 11:3
KJV:But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

NIV:But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent’s cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.





Now for any person that doesn't make heaven,

God wanted him/her to make heaven

And the Devil wanted to prevent him/her from making heaven





Isn't that a loss to God and a win to the Devil ?

Can God lose to the Devil??




For a longer argument on whether God Exists or not , see


https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist

" I lost interest in you from this point" , but still decided to write three lengthy replies .. K


"- will be a fool not to read further than Genesis--" ..K



"To write off Abraham as mere alternative or otherwise unimportant is cheating Abraham and therefore incurring the curse of God.."


I did not mention Abraham in my reply.. I simply asked you to be clearer about your point on circumcision , which I still don't get


".. Only Born Again's shall have God's Services ".. K


"THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD GET YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF GOD FROM THE SCRIPTURES, AND NOT FROM CHURCHES."

.. Aren't pastor's supposed to be inspired/directed by God.
Isn't it God who speaks through them.. unless they are fakes..

Bringing up something I said before "I wonder if there is anyone truly Christlike".

Even Some Pastor's are not.. if somebody can fake being born again, up to being a pastor.. that's just another reason to believe that people may not be as Christlike as they seem..


"I NEVER WRITE THESE SCRIPTURES FOR PEOPLE TO READ- YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THE SCRIPTURES BEFORE EVER COMING TO THE INTERNET- ".. no one asked you to ... Make whatever point u want to make from the scripture.. I've read the 22 verses u just gave on Abraham. AND I DON'T GET WHAT POINT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE


"THE PURPOSE OF THE BIBLE IS TO ENABLE US TO LEARN HOW TO THINK MATURELY".. K

So unless you read the Bible , you aren't mature.. 5+ Billion people aren't mature, because you say so.. K

.. It's Hilarious you think of yourself as mature.It couldn't be more obvious that you lack Home Training ( Respect)




*HOW CAN GOD POSSIBLY LOVE A MAN WHO MURDERED HIS PEOPLE FOR BASE MATERIAL GAIN AS MUCH AS SOMEONE WHO DID HIS WILL THE WHOLE TIME, AND SAVED LIVES?"

 .. I wrote That everyone does what is best for themselves..
I would really try to write something to send this view of mine effectively ..

(I believe , that armed robber , did what he did , because it was the best decision available to him.. God should know that as well, so how can he hate someone for making the best decision available to him)

I know, even I would come after myself for claiming murder was the best decision available to a person.. it's not morally sound.. Yet , that's my belief..




"YOU HAVE TO BE REALLY STUPID TO KNOW THAT GOD CURSED, TORTURED, AND KILLED PEOPLE- AND THEN WONDER WHETHER THAT MEANT HE LOVED THEM OR HATED THEM!"

K .. God Hates sinners.. why does he now send his Children to go "save" them by doing evangelism..


"ONLY AN INSANE FOOL DOES NOT KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN LOVE AND HATE!"
.. K


 "IF YOU ARE NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO READ THE BIBLE BEYOND THE BOOK OF GENESIS, AND NOT EVEN BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ IN THAT ONE BOOK, HOW CAN YOU BE SMART ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND FURTHER EXPLANATIONS?"
... K




I never said being angry is wrong.. I meant acting on the impulse of anger is unwise



"YOU ARE STILL FOOLISH TO BE COMPARING YOURSELF WITH OTHER SINNERS, WHEN YOU HAVE FAILED TO KEEP THE ONLY COMMANDMENT THAT MATTERS!".. K


"GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIS SON AND BELIEVE THAT HE CAME OUT FROM GOD."
From that God doesn't love those who practise Judaism ( isrealites ) .. Really??




My psychiatrist girlfriend
She was a psychologist , and is as old as my mother..


That statement of yours indicates your lack of Wisdom.



"IF GOD SENT ME TO THE BOKO HARAM, IT WOULD ONLY BE TO END THEM"

Lol.. i said if God sent you to go preach to them "save them" , you diverted to God sends you to kill them.. .. wtf

I don't think you evangelise .. you seem to have this belief that Unbeleivers are worthless and hopeless and only deserve death..



"GOD HAS NO REASON TO SEND SOMEONE TO KILL THE BOKO HARAM OR OTHERWISE RENDER THEIR ORGANIZATION DEFUNCT, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT VIOLATING ANY COMMANDMENTS OF GOD".
... Firstly I never mentioned killing Boko Haram , if God wanted to do that he should be able to do it on his own


Next , "They are not violating any commandments of God"
.. really.. how about " thou shall not kill".. ??

So you're claiming all the soldiers who spend their lives fighting to keep you safe are sinners ..? As they are trying to render Boko Haram extinct ??
To think those men are dying trying to protect you..




Asides, medicine and the armed forces .. I also don't get how anyone can be a believer yet practise those professions ..


Medicine , is it that you don't believe in your God's ability to heal.. or you believe he needs your help him to heal.. I believe Jesus never held a scalpel now did he... He simply touched , or prayed .. but you believe you can treat someone.. the only treatment they should need is a prayer..




And now the army ,

If they where born again , how exactly can going to kill people be justified..

" They are simply protecting Believer's by any means necessary". Because God can't do that by himself ??..

They need to sin?? ..


Moreover , why protect the saved , ..by sending the unsaved to hell ( well , you said hell doesn't exist , so


Why protect the saved ,by destroying the souls of the unsaved"...


If the saved die , they go to heaven , so death shouldn't be something to be afraid of / to be unwanted by a believer.



.. I actually respect and Appreciate both professions immensely.. I just done see how they can be "Christlike"




"ALL THOSE SO-CALLED CHRISTIANS KILLED BY THE BOKO HARAM WERE IN VIOLATION OF THIS COMMANDMENT OF GOD.
..
They were trying to create a Kingdom for their Church Organizations, not THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. That is why God didn’t Save them: they had REJECTED Salvation."


I guess you mean Christians who decided to evangelise to Boko , but lost their lives in the process violated God's Commandment ,?? .. Alright



Job didn't love his children.. he didn't teach them to be decout for themselves ..
Wow ...a man Good enough for God , is a man who doesn't love his children enough.. really?




"SEE HOW FOOLISH YOU ARE?

You have, by your own admission, NEVER READ THOSE VERSES IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE- notice that your PSYCHIATRIST MOMMA never counselled you to READ THE WHOLE BIBLE.

Yet you think that she is a “BORN AGAIN CHRISTIAN!”

See how GULLIBLE you have been!"

It's like you didn't get me..
I walked into a psychologists office , looking for counselling ,
At the end of That day , she invited me to her church ,
I never went there again.


So I don't really understand all these your fantasies bayii..
PSYCHIATRIST MOMMA..
I wonder what sort of a holy mind yours is, Brother Oaroloye , that it independently developed such an immoral idea..
You're Clearly Mature ..



"WHERE WAS IT WRITTEN THAT IT WAS GOD’S DUTY TO PROTECT JOB’S CHILDREN?"
..lol.. so if you have kids , you do not expect God to protect them .. k


"WHEN YOU DIE WITHOUT KNOWING HOW TO NAVIGATE THE AFTERLIFE, YOU ARE THE VICTIM OF ANY PREDATOR THAT COMES ALONG."
.. didn't you say before that their souls simply cease to exist Ni??




"I HAVE ALREADY EXPLAINED HOW ABUBAKAR SHEKAU AND HIS CRONIES ARE PERFECTLY WITHIN THEIR DIVINE RIGHTS, AND ARE DOING NOTHING THAT MERITS CAPITAL DAMNATION."

.. wow.. I was simply trying to explain the concept of greater good too you.. I am not justifying the morality , or lack thereof , of the Boko Haram sect.

But just to be clear , it appears you are trying to justify them.. or I misunderstand you??




"I CONTINUALLY TELL YOU SINNERS THAT YOU ARE FOOLS, BECAUSE YOU ARE SO STUPID THAT YOU WILL OTHERWISE CONTINUE TO THINK THAT YOU ARE WISE."
.. K




"They FALSE CHRISTIAN CHURCHES will BEG and WHEEDLE people to come join their Churches, because they really don’t care about THEM- they just want their MONEY and ADULATION for their FLATTERING LIES."

Exactly.. even Entire churches , pastor's and members alike , can be Unsaved , by another Believer's standpoint .. so who is actually Christlike ..

If "someone that is Christlike" differs from church to church..



"THAT SHOWS HOW VERY STUPID AND IGNORANT YOU ARE BECAUSE THE SO-CALLED TERRORISTS ARE THE TRUE PRACTICIONERS OF ISLAM, AND FOLLOWERS OF THE QUR’AN."
..Have you read the Qur'an??
.. If yes , Go and read it again..



"It is the peaceful Muslims who are the heretics and cowards of their Religion"
... So you would rather all Muslims are violent murderers who kill everyone that doesn't accept their belief ??.. because you sound annoyed / insultive towards the peaceful Muslims



"LOVE YOUR ENEMIES,
BLESS THEM THAT CURSE YOU,
DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU,
AND PRAY FOR THEM
WHICH DESPITEFULLY USE YOU,
AND PERSECUTE YOU;"

But for some reason , God Hates Sinners .. K



"IT IS EASY FOR A WICKED PERSON LIKE YOURSELF, WHO NEVER LOVED LORD YESHUA, NOR FEARED GOD.

Lord Yeshua’s Disciples HATE NO ENEMY.

As for ISLAM being a "peaceful Religion," there are experts who show proof that it is not- here's one:

CRAIG WINN- author of "TEA WITH TERRORISTS.""


It's appalling , you willingly accept "experts" views on all other religions , but they unmistakably turn to "fools" when they have opinions that contradict your religion



.. read the book drunk with blood .. or read your Bible ..Read the amount of people God killed , and Why ..
But for some reason , he is Good..



"WHAT CAN ONE SAY TO SUCH STUPIDITY AND IDIOCY AS YOURS’?"

..like you didn't hear me from my first post..
Firstly try to tell me your point from the Bible verses you're quoting.. feel free to quote but let me get the point you are trying to make.

And second , try to be less insultive.. it is only demeaning any respect for yourself.




The cannanites .. Was it them only you saw
Lol


The Amalekites , even unborn generations
The LORD hath sworn that the LORD will have war with Amalek
from generation to generation. Exodus 17:16
Thou shalt blot out the remembrance of Amalek from under
heaven; thou shalt not forget it. Deuteronomy 25:19


The midianites
Moses
"Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every
woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women
children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive
for yourselves."



I'm just going to list them as they are much.. read the book .. or your Bible

Giants, the amorites , the people of Jericho , the people of ai . , 60 cities , amaziah , Syria , 20 more cities( unnamed) , the Anakim , the perrizites , moabites , ammonites , Philistines, every male in Edom , half a million isrealite soldiers , a million Ethiopians , and many more..

Numbered Killings in the Bible -
2.4 million..


Estimated total 4.6 million ( excluding 20million estimated alive during Noah's ark)


You justify all these Killings , and call the executer / approver of them "Good" .. Okay then




"INSTEAD OF FINDING OUT GOD’S REASONS FOR DOING THINGS, YOU JUST PRESUME HE WAS STUPID- TO IMPRESS YOUR FRIENDS AND SPONSORS.".. K




"How can what other Believers, who do not believe The Bible matter to you, who have never read past GENESIS, and IGNORE Scriptures graciously presented to you?"


If you as well believe There are other Believer's who do not believe in God the right way,.. what have you done to point them in the right direction.. you simply ignore...
Moreover .. you , could most likely , be the one headed in the wrong direction..

Ihedinobi3:
Hi. I'm not sure what your goal is. It did look like you were just trying to harass Christians like other atheists here do so I ignored your thread. Are you actually asking for a Christian to explain to you what we believe and why we believe it? Is that what you want? Or are you just looking for an opportunity to show off your newly acquired big brains since you decided to become an atheist?

Ohh no..not to me... To the born again who told me that God doesn't love everyone.


My goal is clearly stated in the question I asked.. that the link was provided

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

Good Day Believer's,

I had a question , about God, and I made the following assumptions about God to ask it;

God can do Anything
God Knows Everything
God loves Everyone Equally
When Sinners die , they go to hell


And someone , who claims to be born again made the following statements in his attempt to answer my question;

God Cannot do Anything
God Does Not know Everything
The soul of dead sinners are destroyed, they do not go to hell.



Most importantly , Not only did he claim God does not love Everyone , he also claimed that God loving everyone is a very stupid idea.



Is that truly what most Believer's believe in ? I am honestly shocked by his views.. especially on that about God's love.



Here is the link to the question I asked,

https://www.nairaland.com/5007574/argument-god-does-not-exist#75489803


Please , try and help me understand how God Exists , and who he is. Thank you

CodeSapien:
Your account is void of the fact that there is a adversary, Satan, who can discourage individuals. It also avoids the power of man to accept their conviction or reject them. "God lays before us life and death and expects us to choose life." I have a willpower to do good and i am open to manipulation. Just like any natural man faced with a opportunity to do self gratifying evil or skip it, we have willpower. Stop assuming Gods goodness negates or overrides man's freewill.

Thank you , firstly for not being insultive,

And also for rightly stating that I didn't consider the devil at all..




.. let me say I believe less in the existence of the devil than of the existence God..




I think that.. God made All humans , God's purpose would had been for all of his creation to Enjoy the eternal life he came to die for, .. so I believe Any human who doesn't gain eternal life , is a loss to God .




And the devil , on the other hand , is doomed to hell, his only purpose is to drag as many as possible there with him.. Any soul he drags to hell with him , is a gain to him..




... Given the evil in the world , it is obvious quite a number will go + have gone to hell , if they are judged..


Meaning , the devil , has had some success , .. and God , had some losses..


It doesn't sound like God to lose anything to the Devil...

Thus i believe less in the devil's existence

oaroloye:
[color=silver].[/color] MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh shall rise
in Judgment with this Generation, and shall condemn it:
because they repented at the preaching of Jonas;
and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The queen of the South shall rise up
in the judgment with this generation,
and shall condemn it:
for she came from the uttermost parts of the Earth
to hear the Wisdom of Solomon;
and, behold,
a greater than Solomon is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'

and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

ANYONE WHO IS WORTHY WILL COME FROM THE ANTIPODES TO FIND THE GOSPEL, AND BE SAVED.

Those who are UNWORTHY do not implement The Gospel.

That is all there is to it.



You have already proven you ineptitude at "THINKING."

To claim that you have been doing so is... embarassing.

MOST SINNERS DO NOT GO TO HELL WHEN THEY DIE.

Their Souls are destroyed immediately- because they were unable to give the FULL, TOTAL RECALL account of their lives.



[color=silver].[/color] EXODUS 20:14.

14. "Thou shalt not
commit Adultery."

PEOPLE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMMIT ADULTERY, NOR SUPPORT ADULTERY.

PORN ADULTERESSES AND WHOREMONGERS DYING MEANS NOTHING.

Their films and videos don't die.

As soon as any die, even more take their place.

Now, any idiot with a Phone Camera can become a Movie Director.



YOUR FOOLISHNESS AND IGNORANCE ARE OFFENSIVE!

There are Mothers in the World who have to make this choice every day!

AMERICAN SOLDIERS who fought in the GULF WAR went home and committed SUICIDE, because they could not process things they saw in the War. For example, their standard tactic of protecting their camps with MINEFIELDS did not work, because the ISLAMIC DEFENDERS OF THEIR HOMELANDS would SEND THEIR CHILDREN to trigger the mines, so that the GROWNUPS could safely charge in and kill the "Great Satan's Soldiers!"

Americans had never seen such resolve in their lives, and their minds often broke down.

It is reported that more American Soldiers died from SUICIDE AT HOME that on the WAR FRONTS!

I ADVISE YOU TO TRY TO THINK THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO USE THEIR MINDS MORE THAN YOU DO, AND CAN THINK THINGS THAT YOU CANNOT!



HE COMMANDS PEOPLE TO TAKE THE ONE PATH THAT LEADS TO SAFETY AND LIFE.

[color=silver].[/color] DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this Day against you,
that I have set before you Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore choose Life,

That both thou and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest love The LORD thy God,

and that thou mayest obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest cleave unto Him:

for He is thy life, and the length of thy days:

that thou mayest dwell in the Land
which the LORD sware unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob,
to give them.

IF PEOPLE CHOOSE NOT TO TAKE IT- AND CHOOSE DEATH, INSTEAD OF LIFE- THEN GOD RESPECTS THEIR WISHES, AND LETS THEM BE DESTROYED.

Well, to start with , I have never read the Bible past Genesis.

Why, because when I hadn't realised I was atheist , I was not serious with Christianity , and I always slept off , until I gradually forgot to continue reading the Bible.

And when I decided to get serious , I became atheist , so the Bible is no more or less than people's opinions , which I do not believe in. So I am not prepared to spend my valuable Time reading them. It would be biased if I decide to read the Bible , and ignore the Qur'an , and all the other holy books that exist.



Now those "silly theories" was the idea of what God is supposed to be.. the idea That had been infused into me from 16+ years of going to church..

I didn't wake up and invent those "silly ideas".. I was taught the "silly ideas" in church




God cannot lie nor contradict himself.

Well.. God's definition is that he is "Good" , so that explains why he will not do what is "bad" , like lie ..

God cannot contradict himself..okay


I would had thought the Bible verse was to buttress your statement that God cannot lie nor contradict himself.

But it seems you are using it probably to make a point that

I am blaspheming against the holy ghost , which will not be forgiven , and I will give account of it on judgement day.. which from my knowledge means I should go to "hell".



Your first bolded part , the pharisees said Jesus casted out demons , by the aid of the devil


I didn't get the point you where trying to make .. only That probably the pharisees "lied" againt Jesus .. I already knew , from church , that most pharisees and saducees.. disliked Jesus.. so unless I didn't get your point , that part was just a reminder of something I've been told..



God does not know everything..

Wow .. really.. do other Christians believe this as well..

Because i was made to believe God knows everything..

He knows everything that had happened , is happening , and will happen on Earth..

Are you saying that is false ??

I was also of the belief that God is always watching , hence why no sin could be hidden from God.. i believe I have heard numerous times "God is everywhere"..


The Bible verse you quoted indicated God wasn't watching Sodom and Gomorrah , but had to decide to go down there and see what they had done...


If that's the case , that means I can sin , and God wouldn't know.. I mean.. he wasn't there.. unless he decided to come and see what I would be doing..


If he does not know everything , how much exactly does he know.. ??



God does not love everyone Equally... You even claim it is a stupid idea..

Wow ... Wow.. really ..
Wow .. well then.. I did not know that..
Do Christians believe this as well ??

... Well thank you brother _____ for assumming my brain has techincal difficulties.., and my gumption is offline.


Now to what you have said..

Well , I want to believe that the
When the pharisees where pissed that Jesus was surrounded by "sinners" Jesus said that does a doctor come to treat the sick and not those who are well ..

I want to believe that this statement means God cares for , and is trying to save sinners ,

But from your statement , I guess you mean God loves a pastor , more than he loves that armed robber in jail..



.. Well , I don't get why you bolded circumcision again... I believe most male children in Nigeria are circumcised..
And it's not our choice to... So I don't get your points..



Also please be clear..


God loves Everyone , but some more than others..
Or God loves some and hates others..



The Lord shall send CURSING , VEXATION , REBUKE , in all sinners do ( those who don't obey the voice of God)
We shall be destroyed and shall perish because of our wickedness ..


I'm curious , does that indicate love or hate.


I mean imagine a parent telling his child that that would be the punishment for not obeying him..


I must say, please , long Bible verses are not really for me.. please , if you will reply this , please try and summarize the verses you're quoting and the point you intend to derive from them, ..



God does not know what people will do , ..really ... If God does not know our decisions in the present , how can he know the future , given that the future is simply the result of our present decisions..

Unless he doesn't know the future either...



Really... So what exactly does God know??



Okay , thank you again for indicating I was displaying stupidity..
I believe I did not insult any Christian for their belief in God..
All through the post I even ensured I have God capital G's..
Your choice of words only indicates your anger at me.. for expressing my opinion.. I mean.. is it Godly to speak while you're angry




Please what exactly is your purpose for writing this??.. to tell me am wrong , or to explain God to me..because so far I haven't gotten what point you're trying to make..



Are you drunk ?
The answer is No.
I Think.
Lol.. That sounds like , " I think I am not drunk" That's not what I mean

I mean

I am not drunk . I Think


Do you know me ??
That you assume I am a wicked soul ??..

Do I steal ,
Do I kill ,
No.

Did you know that ?? .. no .. but you assume I am a wicked soul,

Thank you.


Ahhh,

You actually say that God does not love everyone ... Wonderful..

Do all Christians believe that ??..


We'll see , how much believer's , Know God enough , to know HE DOES NOT LOVE EVERYONE ...


Wow.. thanks .. I actually did not know that..


Well if God does not love everyone , why will you wake up .. walk up to a stranger to evangelise , and say God loves you??

.. I'm pretty sure , if and idea dropped in your head " Go and preach to the leader of the book Haram ( Mr Y)"

.. you will simply assume it's from the devil.. that God does not love (Mr Y) , and going to d
Sambisa will be suicide , hence it's the devil that is trying to kill you..

To love someone is to give them whatever they need.
God Loves job..

Job loved his children..


I can understand allowing him to be broke and loose his property


But God knew the devil was after Job's children.. and God didn't protect them..


Instead , after job lost them ,

God gave him more children..


I don't think.. there is anyone here , who will say , it's alright for God to let my kids die.. so far as he gives me more ..


Or was job a sinner ??

( I'm pretty sure you where offended at that "question"...
Yet for some reason you think asking "does my gumption not function? " Is okay)



More Bible verses ... I must be honest.. I didn't read your verses word for word.. I just glanced through and read the bold parts..


If you will reply this.. please just make the point you got from the verse.. odds are even if I read the verse , I might not get your point..


Wow ,

Really .. our souls get destroyed.. i.e do not go to hell

Wow.. another thing I did not know ...

Wow..

Really..
I thought the devil's mission is to drag as many as possible to the pits of hell with him..

Or that's not it, hell was made for the devil alone.. unbeleivers will simply perish , not burn forever.... do all "Believer's" share this your opinion?? ..


Wait.. you said *Most*

.. does that mean SOME go to hell..

Or you mean some go to heaven ?? ( For those who sinned unknowingly ??) ..




Well, I was giving an instance..
And I said WHOSE FUTURE..

She is not yet one.. ..i.e her videos will not exist..


And if that illustration is faulty..


Let me give another then


If God killed abubakar shekau before he started Boko Haram ( I know that statement is entirely wrong , but just assume it ) .. then thousands of
People killed, Muslims and unbelievers alike , had lived longer , and would have had the opportunity to be "saved"


Do you get now ??

And your choice of words is offensive ...




Lolzz.. whoever you are.. I have sure manage to annoy you ..


From what I know... I believe those islamists soldiers in someway believe they are obeying their God..

( I know most Muslims are peaceful..and those terrorists somehow found a way to twist the Qur'an to believe their God wants them to kill ) ..


Now , they believe their obeying God .. they believe their children will die obeying God , and hence get whatever afterlife the Muslim believes to exists for "Allah's children"..

It's so easy to hate terrorists now our days isn't it...


If you read the post , and read the book , drunk with blood ..

Or if you have even read your Bible at all..


You will have read , the people , and cities,God "Gave" to the isrealites in the Bible...


"Kill All Women , Children, And Animals" ..Not once , not twice was this commanded by God , to the isrealites , in the Bible

I'll get the book again, and list the number of cities God Eroded totally..

From your belief.. because they where sinners and so he didn't love them



Well, let me tell you.. that is exactly, what most terrorists believe.. that their God, ordered them, to kill those who are not Muslims , because they are Sinners..



.. but for some reason , it's okay to hate Boko Haram , but believe the isrealites are God's people..


Ohh,I didn't get the definition because the Bible is too long .. like I said , and I wouldn't spend my time reading it..

.. after all , even those who have read it , still have different ideas of who Their God is..



Well , I just said I got a Christian psychologist , who referred me to her church..


So she's evil for studying psychology ... I mean, how can she be a person who believes there is no God , nor soul ,nor spiritual powers , yet still be a born again..




May you , be even more messed up than I will be.



I mean.. I thought I specifically wrote to not insult ..

Well , obviously , you didn't intend preaching .. you actually took time to analyze this though..


And now I am through.. but my only conclusion is that


You're a believer , who believes
God Does not know Everything
God cannot do Everything
God Does not love everyone .


Please... Do other Believer's also agree with him ?? ... Or her .

Akin1212:
You're on the right path. There's no God anywhere, and there's no purpose. But since we have found ourselves here on earth where other life forms exist aside ours, other people exist and we are socially engineered to live together, please employ empathy. Empathy will guide your moral standards, it is very important. Do unto others, what you would like done to you. Good luck

Thank you