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Joebie:
I think many of us who want to go with scientific facts will defend any player that SUPPOSEDLY went through MRI testing. Onazi is one of them.
FIFA introduced random testing at Nigeria 2009 U17 World Cup. I am 100% sure that no coach will risk us being caught at the tournament proper. Hence, Onazi must have been tested prior to the tournament. Remember that quite a number of the players had failed the test prior to the the games, and coach John Obuh assembled a whole new team. People made the argument that the captain of the team the, Fortune Chukwudi was overaged, but that's still a claim like yours. Everybody seem to be neighbors of all our Golden Eaglet players.. Now, whats your own story?

See the following links:
http://www.fifa.com/u17worldcup/news/y=2009/m=9/news=fifa-introduce-mri-screening-nigeria-2009-combat-the-fielding-over-age-1096817.html

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/fifa-orders-fresh-mri-test-on-eaglets/

https://www.vanguardngr.com/2009/08/age-scandal-nff-recalls-eaglets-from-bauchi-camp/

The MRI may not really be 100% accurate. You can still game the system if you know the way.
I heard you can cheat the test if you take high volume of citric acid, maybe 3 weeks to the test test date.

Players of our U17's during camping take lots of citrus to "game the system" so I heard.

TheGoodJoe:
What dafuq? Nacho had limited time last season to use his goals to tag him. I already wrote about Guardiola's system which has Gabby Jesus, Sane, Sterling, Aguero scoring tap-in goals. It is the system. Will you call them tap-in merchants? You were wrong there move on. Finito.

Even as a sub,he scored goals last season. The quality of his goals is not parallel to time spent on the pitch.
You can't defend him with the "limited time" argument. Has he ever been a starter for Man city?

TheGoodJoe:
Be true to yourself. Iheanacho has scored a lot of goals that are not tap-in goals. Whether you like it or not. You can not change the truth.

How many did he scored outside the 6yard box last seaon?

TheGoodJoe:
I said Iheanacho is not a tap in merchant and you are typing it is not something to be ashamed of. Go and watch Iheanacho's goals for Nigeria and City. You will see he is not a tap in merchant.

How many goals have he scored for Nigeria outside the 6yard box?
The lucky bounce off his back in a pre season game against Arsenal what will you call that?

TheGoodJoe:
Does saying Iheanacho score a tap in goal make him a tap in merchant? Seriously. I have given you multiple goals and you are saying one goal. SMH. I wonder if you understand what tap in merchant means at all.

Being a tap in merchant is nothing to be ashamed of.
The only limitation is that he may not function properly in a team without 2 line breakers who will break the first and second defensive line which leaves him with the easy job of tapping it in.
No wonder he couldn't function properly against South Africa owing to the absence of Moses who is the only line breaker we have in the final third.

TheGoodJoe:
Now you are being Incoherent. What does that have to do with Iheanacho not being a tap-in merchant. Is it painting you that Iheanacho was rightly awarded a goal? Or, you do not know that a deflected shot by a fellow teammates gets the goal.

But you were gyrating up and down with examples of the few goals he scored outside the box.
Now I have brought up his tap ins, you've gone hysterical.

TheGoodJoe:
Continue attacking. Continue arguing. Do not learn. Call people you do not know Illiterates. I have no link with Iheanacho. Iheanacho is Owerri. I am based in Port Harcourt. I have been called Keshi's agent, Siasia's agent, Odemwingie's agent. This is not the first.

If you like learn or argue.

I should learn what exactly? That his goal against Man Utd from 1yard off Kevin De Bryan shot wasn't a tap in?

Well, for his people to advice him to stay back in England to qualify for a British passport after Brexit tells me he's not surrounded by intellectuals exactly.

Did I say you were his agent?

TheGoodJoe:
Even I think Nacho's goal against Roma, was that also tap-in? Na wa.

How about the deflected goal he scored with his arse off a Yaya Toure shot from 2yards? The dispute panel later awarded the goal to him but....

TheGoodJoe:
How can you call him Nigerian Chicarito? It is not true. Go and watch Iheanacho's highlights under Pellegrini, you will see a large percentage of his goals were not tap-in goals.

Simple. The tap-in were the few under Guardiola because Guardiola likes build-up goals. Sterling and Gabby Jesus are scoring tap-in goals. Does that make them tap in merchants too.

Even after I have listed goals Nacho scored for City that were not tap-in goals, you still tow in that line. If that will make you feel fine, you can believe in what is not true. Or learn, take corrections and move on. Your cup of tea.

Even Chicarito scored a fee goals outside the 6yard box. Still doesn't make him any lesser than a tap in merchant.

Better tell the young man to get his acts together,otherwise he could end up like Macheda.

I have a feeling he's surrounded by a lot of illiterates and buisness men who just want to milk the cow.

TheGoodJoe:
You made a mistake. Move on. Iheanacho scored goals for City that were not tap-in goals. The goal he scored I think Stoke when he dribbled the keeper. The Hull goal. You will not call his two Villa goals from the hattrick tap in goals. I think a curler against Tottenham, a curler against Southampton, his two CNN Goals of the week.

Can this kind of goals be called tap in? You were wrong. It is human to make mistakes.

I said Iheanacho is a better finisher than Mbappe. That has not changed. Mbappe has other things that makes him a better player.

You were wrong. Move on instead of resorting to attacks. Pride.

Should I pull your quote where you said Mbappe cannot get into Man city? You claimed Kelechi was the better player because he was in the Man city squad. Lol

TheGoodJoe:
You made a mistake. Move on. Iheanacho scored goals for City that were not tap-in goals. The goal he scored I think Stoke when he dribbled the keeper. The Hull goal. You will not call his two Villa goals from the hattrick tap in goals. I think a curler against Tottenham, a curler against Southampton, his two CNN Goals of the week.

Can this kind of goals be called tap in? You were wrong. It is human to make mistakes.

I said Iheanacho is a better finisher than Mbappe. That has not changed. Mbappe has other things that makes him a better player.

You were wrong. Move on instead of resorting to attacks. Pride.

It's an attack to you when someone says Kelechi is a tap in merchant?

Well, Greater percentage of his goals for Man city and Nigeria are tap ins.
He's like the Nigerian Chicarito.

TheGoodJoe:
The goals I listed for you, will your heat maps put them as tap in? Secondly, are you saying the Nacho scored Hull City was a tap-in? Fear God. He is a striker. He is bound to score goals in the box but that does not make him a tap in merchant. Simple.

The Goal Nacho scored Kansas, was that tap in?

Kansas? You really had to go way back to prove he's not a tap in merchant?
How many goals have he scored for City or Super Eagles outside the 6yard box?

Anyway what do I even expect from someone who claimed Kelechi was better than Mbappe... Lol

forgiveness:
which yoyo? At Traore age, Solanke was better. Wait until Solanke turns 22 before we start hitting the nail on the head.

Better how? At 20 Traore could boast of an AFCON silver medal. Lol

TheGoodJoe:
Deviation. You were wrong with the tap-in merchant tag. Finito.

You want to force me to pull his heat maps on goals scored?
If you force me to do that, you will end up with eggs on your face.

forgiveness:
They still remains as facts to the decerning minds.

Traore is older than Solanke. Fact

Do I need to explain to you what I meant?

Simple, Traore and Solanke were not in the same set in Chelsea neither in the same age grade youth competitions.

Traore was senior to Solanke.

They didn't play in the same set at Chelsea under age academy, they didn't play in the same set at the U17 youth tournament and they didn't play in the same set at the U20 youth level but when Solanke graduated to each of these sets, Solanke outshined, out performed and out classed Traore.

Even Solanke first season record in the Eredivise outshined Traore first season record.

Practice what you say about thinking.

You're swinging up and down like a yoyo. I can barely make out what you're saying.

Come out straight and say Solanke is better than Traore. Hit the nail on the head!
Enough of the pre-intimacy and intrigues.

TheGoodJoe:
Iheanacho, tap in merchant. SMH.

With the curlers against Tottenham Hotspur and Southampton, skinning the keeper I think against Villa, two CNN goals of the week playing for the country (beauties), you still end up with tap in merchant.

Mbok, fear God.

All hail Kelechi! The scorer of great goals!


Bants aside. Did you by any chance wager your life savings on Kelechi winning the Balon D'Or?

Sorry I was forced to ask. The way you freak out when Kelechi gets a bad review is suspicious.

komekn:
Osimhen is operating on past youthful glory as an U17 player, which is essentially small boys football. That as it stands is archived history of plus two years ago. No longer tenable or relevant for current assessment.

Currently, Solanke is the best player in the just recently concluded U20 World cup an accolade that is much closer to the professional senior game.

Solanke was already a regular on the Eredivisie as a 17 year old. Add to that was winning cups for Chelsea as the best youth team arguably in Europe but definitely in England.

Solanke is not just a bench warmer but a fully fledged senior team member for Liverpool.

Osimhen is struggling to warm the bench at Wolfsburg this is the reality. As it stands has he played up to one hour of football this season for struggling and lowly Wolfsburg.

This may be hard for some to digest but Osimhen will not enter the youth team of any top EPL club as it stands. If Indeed he could make the youth team of a Championship side that would be more probable but not certain.

So let's have no doubt Solanke is far ahead of Osimhen in every respect.

Osimhen and Solanke are not so much dissimilar. You make it sound like there is a gulf in class between those 2.

Solanke is Liverpool's 3rd choice striker while Osimhen is Wolfsburg's 3rd choice. They both have zero goals to their names this seaon, must be said Solanke have more minutes..

You seem to forget that Arsenal wanted Osimhen. Infact, he snapped a picture with Arsene Wenger in London during his visit to the Emirates for contract negotiations. Some rogue agents hijacked the deal and took him to Germany while Arsenal made due with Nwakali.
Why you will say Osimhen can't make any youth team in England is baffling to say the least.

I hate to say this, but the gospel truth is that the last U20 world cup was watered down in quality. Can you compare the standard witnessed in Korea to Nigeria 99,Holland 2005,2007 or even 2009 which Ghana won. Teams like Argentina weren't even in Korea.
If the level of competition was as high as what we were used to, Solanke wouldn't have come close to become Mvp neither would England have won the cup.

Yes Solanke did very well for Chelsea's youth team but you don't know how good Osimhen was for his youth team in Nigeria. He could have scored 100 goals in state competitions in Benin.

Again, I say their records are very much identical.

komekn:
Nationality has nothing to do with it. From my perspective if seeing Traore as a teenager for Chelsea. He just didn't have the physicality at that time to impose himself on the highly competitive and physically tasking English EPL game.

But he has developed more so than Solanke in my opinion by playing in a more technically adapt league. That is suited to his style of play because in England he was getting bullied. Unlike Tega who was never bullied in a game.

Actually nationality has a huge role to play. From the get go, the veiled glass ceilin tagged "work permit" already restricts players from certain countries. I'm honestly surprised you said nationality doesn't matter.

I saw Traore for the first time in Chelsea pre season some 3-4years ago. He was hands down Chelsea's best player in their US tour. He out performed full international players in Chelsea at that time. I was actually looking forward to see him in the season proper, only to realise he had been sent in loan in Holland.
I followed his progress up, especially when I realised he was the younger brother of the prodigiously talented Allan Traore.
To be honest, I was expecting Kelechi to shape up to be out own Traore. Bearing in mind their presumed skill set (Kelechi's skills have since dissappeared), both South paw, the both pack a good shot to both.

Unfortunately Kelechi have since been converted by Man city to a pragmatic tap in merchant and a willy fox in the box. Sad but true.

forgiveness:
What did Bertrand Traore do in his first season of his professional career? I don't like stories because they lack merits and facts.
Thank you. Next!

You're just running around quoting random facts which hardly add up.
First you said Traore is older than Solanke and they never played in the same category, then you make a reverse to claim Solanke achieved more in the age group he played with Traore. Come on! You have to be consistent.

Like it or not, believe it or not. Solanke doesn't hold a candle light to Traore. Solanke is an exaggerated youth team player while his mate at the Chelsea academy is a full Pro.

elyte89:
For those who love mentioning foreign breeds as our starting line up when dey have not committed themselves officially, I heard Felix udokhai of Wolfsburg has officially TURNED rohr down d chance to play for eagles... Source OMA akatugba,(a German journalist)

This is why I will always advocate for a solid home grown solution for talent development.
I mean, haven't we been embrassed enough by these foreign born players?
From Patrick Owomoyela, Nedum Onuoha, Sidney Sam, Charlton Cole, Denis Aogo,, the litany is endless like a bottomless pit.

I get ashamed when I see people listing players who aren't interested in playing for the Super Eagles in their dream starting eleven for the World Cup.

The NFF should kick start a programme with a good 10 year plan to develop the talent pool at home. This was exactly what Belgium did after getting knocked out in the group stage of the Euros they Co hosted with Holland in 2000.
Belgium used to be European whipping boys. They simply got to work and developed from grassroot and inculcated a playing pattern and 4-3-3 formation from the U12's.. Today, they go into the world cup as one of the favorites.

If we can build a solid structure at home, our national team will be better for it and these foreing born players will beg to play for us.

forgiveness:
What did Bertrand Traore do in his first season of his professional career?

Answer questions with facts, please. Thank you. Next.

It is understandable for an African teenager to have limited opportunities. Eto's first few seasons in Spain points to the challenges an African teen faces in Europe.

The question should be what you do when you get the opportunity. And so far I'm afraid, Traore have grabbed the opportunity given to him with both hands.
I mean, we are taking about a potential African player of year nominee and you're digging up a perennial youth team player.


Solanke doesn't gold a candle light to Traore. Sorry!

forgiveness:
Why did a 17 years old Dominic Solanke got more games time than a 18 years old Bertrand Traore?

What did Bertrand Traore do in his first season? I thought you said said he was banging in goals left right and center.

Practice what you preach about using brain to think.

When did I mention he was banging goals left, right and centre?

Solanke and Traore could be mates but they operate at a very different stratosphere.
Traore is streets ahead of Solanke.

forgiveness:
He didn't not get the minutes by fluke. Thank you. Next

7 goals in 21 games is hardly the stuff of legends. Next!

forgiveness:
When Bertrand Traore repeated the class because failure in his first season, what did Bertrand Traore do in the second season?

37 matches with 18 goals

Why was he not called back by Chelsea in his first season? Why was Dominic Solanke retained and drafted into Chelsea_F.C first team after his first professional career?

One is English while the other was Burkina.

Did that answer your question?

forgiveness:
What did Bertrand Traore who was 18 years old as at 2014 do in his first season in 2013/2014 Eredivise?

18 matches with 3 goals

What did Dominic Solanke who was 17 years old as at 2015 do in his first season in the 2014/2015 Eredivise?

27 matches with 7 goals (despite injuries).

I am not done.

You didn't even read the stats you were about to post, before posting to brag.

Did you check minutes played?

Solanke clocked 1800+ minutes while Traore clocked 606 mins. I mean, he played 3 times more than Traore and only contributed 5 goals more than him.
Despite injures you say? Smh

Kog45:
My point is simple give d young man little respect even if u don't rate.

Mind u i don't rate him and have never for once consider him for Eagles call up coz we have better players.

Oh rating players based on club or supporting Foreign born?pls count me out.

Respect ke? I don't think I have made any derogatory comment about Solanke.

My initial comment wasn't about anyone in particular. It's just an observation I have made over the past few months.
You're one of the the few balanced posters we have here.

forgiveness:
Catchment or no Catchment, Dominic Solanke is not operating in the same level with Osimhen despite the little age gap. Dominic Solanke has achieved more than Osimhen. No disrespect.

What exactly have Solanke achieved that Osimhen haven't achieved?
They both won the top scorers and Mvp in youth team competitions they participated.

Solanke is yet to record a senior team goal just like Osimhen.

I mean, Solanke could be a good player but let's not hype him to a stratosphere he doesn't belong.

tbaba1234:
Nowadays, inviting hundreds of players to camp is impractical. It wastes a lot of time. Most of the players in the 70s and 80s were home based so maybe it was easier.

I agree with you. Football industry in the 80's wasn't as developed as it is now. The 80's solution cannot be applied in 2017.
We are talking about 1982 when Volkagon beattle without a radiator was the coolest thing in town.

Joebie:
Alhaji Gero score against Bilbao

Gero is a nothing player. I watched him when he was in the NPFL prior to the U20 world cup and scratched my head how this guy could be a professional footballer.
He is one of the worst players I've seen play for Nigeria at any level.

komekn:
This is a guy that was awarded as the best player in the U20 world cup.

Was so impressive at Liverpool he literally caused Divock Origi to go on loan to Wolfsburg who has now blocked the pathway of Osimhen completely.

In this regard I will say think again.

Origi was never a starter for Liverpool. Let's not talk up Origi likes he's some sort of world class player that was let go by Liverpool for Solanke to have a pathway.
Solanke is a youth team player. He haven't done nada at the pro level. His team mate at Chelsea Bertrand Traoure, is a Full international for Burkina Faso with 2 AFCON experience under his belt (both semi finals appearance), Europa cup finalist with Ajax and 2 resounding good season in the Dutch top flight.
This is what I call progression not playing U20 world cup.

The jury is still out on Solanke.

Kog45:
Are u serious,meaning British players are over hype,d same thing Tammy Abraham abi,but Ebuehi is playing in d Dutch first division.

Pls let give little respect to Solanke,from Chelsea to Liverpool,he is a good player,though he may not be special or talented like Tammy.

I have noticed an anomaly on this thread for sometime.

It appears alot of people rate youngsters on the strength of club they play for. For goodness sake, the SI unit for measuring the ability of a player shouldn't be on the basis of which club hr plays for, rather you measure and judge a player by what he brings to the table.

Solanke as far as I'm concerned haven't pulled any trees. We are talking about a guy who went on loan to Holland and came up short. If he was Dutch born, do you think he will be signed up by Liverpool on the strength of his showing in Eredivisie? What if he was Norwegian? Do you think he will be in Liverpool?

I saw some highlights of a Chidera Ejike in Norway and to be honest, if that boy was born in Hackney, he will be playing for Tottenham or Arsenal.

The IQ of this thread should go beyond judging people because of where they are born. Please we can do better than that.

forgiveness:
Players that are or will be in their mid 20s to 27 during the world cup are the ones I placed in category 2 hence the reason I placed Iheanacho and Dessers in category 3. I should have explained better.

Is it only Solanke ya eyes see?

Solanke is still far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far far ahead of Dessers and others on that list.

He didn't go from Chelsea to Liverpool by fluke.

If Solanke wasn't British, he will be playing in the Dutch 2nd division or the Belgian Pro league at best.