XketchDesigns:


It's for change. She's being stubborn and arguing blindly. She claims to be "trying" her best, which is good, but not wanting to accept the truth. Initially all I tried to do is to let her understand some points, but she still kept fighting me on it, trying to justify what she is doing.
Anyways, I apologise to the ummah, those who my words hurt. May Allah reward us for the good we hv said and forgive us for the wrongs we hv said. Salam

NB. My apology does not extend to her, if she still keeps trying to be stubborn and argue blindly.

you are one who needs to be enlightened. ..

arsenalwenger: Edit: blood suckin' Muham MAD (peace be upon me).

how

XketchDesigns: When you marry, marry from those who will increase you in deen.
However I am disappointed in the bolded part.

A muslimah should be ashamed To admit this.

that's rather harsh! what do you mean she should be ashamed? instead of encouraging her, what you said is disheartening. may allah forgive us our shortcomings.

Its a waste...y cant those ships sail by themselves ?

true2god: @ muslims, how does islam handle female r@pe victims?

female rape victims? explain or expansiate. is it d female ni or the rapist?

macof:

I can tell you based on experience that it's impossible to practice your culture and a foreign religion at the same time
One must be severed for the other

let's hear your say on another thread... this yhread is for a different subject . thanks.

true2god: You seem not to get it, you always use the word 'culture' to sanction immorality and barbarism. If a culture is against common-sense and civility, it should be discarded.

I have problems with some part of Igbo culture (where I come from) that has to do with movement restriction during a festival period. All women and some men (who do not belong to ekpe or obong cult) are meant to stay indoor during the festival. This restrictions was later challenged by the christian community hence the restrictions was stopped.

Islam and arab culture go hand-in-hand. 90% of hadith was based on the life of mohammed vis-a-vis arabian culture. If arabia culture permits a 54 year old man sleeping with a 9 yrear old girl, that does not make it cool just because islamic prophet did it. It is child abuse, either then or now. Stealing, raping, murder etc are still bad either then or now.

Stop using culture to justify the evils of your prophet.

all you are pouring out of your mind is mere hatred...ko de kan aye!

I asked you for about four proofs, you failed to produce one and you're still here ranting rubbish

you know how to cook up lies and manipulate stories. show me where he says that prophet Muhammed s.a w slept with his beloved lady Aishah r.a at age 9. where did you get that from? ia that what your xtianity teaxh you? to frame stories?

well, lies has always been the four legs of your xtianity so I'm not surprised you're displaying it here.

you are even low. mixing arab culture with Islam, when majority of arab culture before Islam was filled with ignorance. if arabia culture permits it during that time as so as some other cultures, who practise it in the real sense and islam does not go against it, then let them practice it. islam does not force you and me who think it is not practicable in this part of rhe world to practise it.

for me, being a muslim, I practise my culture as acceptable by my religion. your religion does not have that basis, so you run to western ideologies tor help.

cloudstar:

You have comprehension problems. Do bishops wear their robes when they go to work or when they take their kids to school? Do reverends wear their robes outside the church?

The average Muslim dress like an Arabian, has a name like an Arabian, even learns Arabic and has to travel to Mecca to get any kind of closure.

I don't need to argue with you any further, so you don't disappoint me more. tell me how many clothes the iya adura in your area have other than her white garment. tell me how many times you've seen her little dada remove that cap from her head.

so you mean bishops and evangelists don't wear this collars to formal gatherings? the reverend fathers and the white gowns? you must be joking.

tell that to another person, not me who grew up in a xtian world.

TheBigUrban2:


hehe....the prophet had over 10 wives....of course his marh would be simple

o ga ju!

see obsession! dont derail the thread pls.

true2god: The bible did ask us to marry and not to be a ped0phile. Remember, aside aisha, mohammed had so many slave women capture in wars, some of whom he married and others he used as sex slaves (all recorded in your hadith).

If mohammed had so many women at his disposal, why will be go for a 6 year old girl (when he was 51)? Did mohammed fall in love with a 6 yr old or had feeling for a six year old? My friend, it is only an old man who is mentally sick that will lust after a girl of that age.

Culture does not mean we should no longer be reasonable. In Igbo culture at a time, twins are considered a taboo and are killed as soon as they are born, but with at this 21st century, that practice is no longer applicable or acceptable.

Mohammed is expected to be of a higher moral standard than his contemporary (being a religios leader) and not to engage in immoral practices.

true2goodu! stop blabbering

what age boundary does your bible give for your women to be eligible for marriage?

which verse of the bible asks you not to be a paedophile?

where in your bible did GOD speak and asked you to marry only one wife?

what does your bible say regarding the will and inheritance?

all concerning these above and so many others have been outlined for muslims in their religion. we don't need western ideologies.

you think that aspect of culture is unreasonable, well that's youe opinion. islam supports it because of people like the gypsies who have that practice as part of their culture. someone who thinks it normal to marry marry at that age will also thunk you are unreasonable bringing up this argument.

and ny friend, you don't need to lie to make an argument...where in the hadith did you find sex slaves? its in your blood anyway!

true2god: You will be quoted until you start reasoning as a 21st century man. I'm always in a state of shock when muslims are defending their prophet, who at 51, engaged a six year old child.

Thats barbaric and terrible! It's a child abuse to a sane mind.

it is a shame that your bible and christianity did not give you the guidelines as to such issues and several other issues of your life and how you are made. that is why you blindly follow the ideologies of the 21st century, when you are at the junction like this. you have forgotten that these same 21st century ideologies have failed you in so many ways and have rendered your priests h.o.mosick!

islam encompasses completely the way of life of we muslims and the life and actions and words of the prophet s.a.w is a model for each and every muslim, regardless the tribe, culture, colour or race. you have failed to prove her wrong about some set of people marrying at age 9 because it is a norm in their culture. this is to mean that islam is not against that kind of peactice if it is supported by your culture and if it practised rightly just like the prophet did. there was no record of lady Aisha r.a having any mutilation or diseases, so what?

see konji is killing your pastor chris oyakhilome , but he is tired of Anita and western ideology doesn't allow him to take another wife. you see, he resolved to committing adultery. his name is all over the place with his wife chasing him with court cases

it is clear that you will still not agree...no wonder your reasoning cannot match that of this pretty lady. you dont have aolid point aside your 21st century ideologies

TheBigUrban2:


Where did you get 4 in 100? Taquiyyah

#the fact remains that the first cousin marriages have higher risk of having deformed children

the only arabic word my friend knows

he uses it when he's buried in a dialogue.

TheBigUrban2:



I quoted from the very same article you linked and you are butthurt??


LMAO!!! See frustration. This is what hardcore islam does to you....gives you high blood pressure when someone challenges your religion

I wont be surprised you are still dwelling under the influence of paul, tha half baked informations of the bible and all...now read the full version of what you quoted my friend

There's no doubt that children whose
parents are close biological relatives are
at a greater average risk of inheriting
genetic disorders, Bittles writes. Studies
of cousin marriages worldwide suggest
that the risks of illness and early death
are three to four percent higher than in
the rest of the population.

But the risks apply primarily to couples
who are carriers of disorders that are
normally very, very rare, Bittles explained.
"For over 90% of cousin marriages, their
risk [of having a child with a genetic
abnormality] is the same as it is for the
general population," he said.

this means the negligible 4 in 100 cases you are sleeping on primarily applies to couples with carriers of disorders... thesmallrural oree mi! !!

TheBigUrban2:


lmao!!! The article you and Golpen didnt read?



http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-04/nesc-wnm042512.php

when you talk, you don't know how you sound disgusting by making me read these things...can't you see that you need help when you read an article like that and still claim the rubbish you're saying.

it is very true according to the article that all your hate views and researches did not take some things into consideration. like maternity care and diet during pregnancy, infections, pills and drugs taken by pregnant women and so on... dr bittles said mostvof your hate datas are 'exceedingly poooooor' !

the world renowned biologist and geneticist, whom no doubt, you must have passed through his knowledge as a student- charles darwin was said to have married his cousin even in his high indept of genetic knowledge . there was no record of uim having a deformed child.

vedaxcool has told you already. ..GO AND SLEEP.

#yawns! ...come back with another argument some other day.

vedaxcool:
But we also need to stop feeding their every foolishness, knowing when to ignore them and answer them remains key.

eeeeh... is not there faulti! most times when I reply these guys is not because of them. you will discover more people are just readers, they don't post. all these hate views of theirs may affect those ones.

thanks though, your caution is noted sir.

cloudstar:

You stated that Muslims are separate from Arabian culture but just confirmed by turning 360 degrees and mentioning similarities between Christians and the teachings in the Bible. There is no denial that a fair amount of Christians use Biblical names. That is because Christian teachings influence Christians. However, Christians don't dress like 1st century Jews or Christians. Christians don't wear sandals to cross the desert because early Isrealites did it - they use plans and cars .

what is this one sayinni? !

can't you use your senses and see that muslims give names also for the same reasons?

imagine you are tellibg me about the way christians dress as if the flowing gowns of the nuns, the regalia of the bishops and the kotopo cap of the reverends, not to mention the white collar of evangelists are all dressings in your native land.

my friend, you have a problem

Zeinymira: How could he do this?
Every society has its norms.
Every culture has its norms.
If the norm of today society is that a woman should marry at 18,tomorrow it might be 2o even 30.
Does that mean that those who married someone 18 years old many years back are paedophille?
It depends on the norms
Islam does not force you or me to marry at that age.
It has to do with our society.
In some part of Europe,the gypsies marry as early as 6,9,13,they even have their first baby at 12 but no one is talking!!!
U can google.
Some 9 year old looks like 20year old in some other countries.
We are not interested in this arguement.

Buh am sure this won't stop you guys from asking this kwesion all over again

that's islamophobia for you... what they don't know is that they are rendering their minds dormant because of hatred for a religion that grows without looking behind at them.

TheBigUrban2:



The bold is taqiuyyah. Falsehood.

you are a very funny man. I don burst your brain!

did you say falsehood? , from a non- muslim geneticist?

hope you read the advantage 'purging' which is a situation where the genes of disorder are exposed and passed out of the genetic pool...

stop fighting yourself! islam has come to stay. it don't matter how much you paint it. your tongue lashing is just a self punishment you inflict on yourself anf your mind.... hoooooobi!

TheBigUrban2:


Sharrap. Dishonest troll. Why not read the link you put up and then compare it with other scientific sources.

You just look for titles that confirm your preconceived bias rather than reading what they actually say.


That link, just like every other scientific source, tells you that first cousin marriage leads to a higher risk of having deformed children. Inescapable fact

hahahaha! ... this man is sick!

thesmallrural! my friend... this article fyi talks about a 35 year research by a genetic specialist, saying people like you have exaggerated the risks of having deformed children in cousin marriage. it says it only occurs if the couples are carriers of disorders, which is very rare. it says again, according to dr bittles that for over 90% of cousin marriages, the risk of having deformed offsping is the same as for regular marriages .

so what do you want mr man?

yeyenatu: Oh... okay....

Lol @sisi eko... e serious, sir!

ah! ...agbalagba! !

yeyenatu: Hehehehe

Why we dey nominate sef! Ai swear down, the thing no 'ye mi' wallahi!

yeyenatu! sisi alakori eko!

just like d ALS ice bucket challenge, you get nominated and challenged to read at least a page of the Quran within 24 hrs. who knows, the challenge might spin someone into reading after a very long time.

here is a non-muslim specialist to first cousin marriage, ...

www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2012-04/nesc-wnm042512.php

read.

yeyenatu: Hehehe.. I decide to keep my rap stuff outta here...


Thanks though.

oh! ...thought you forgot. the moniker has always sounded so creative to me....was one of my granma's slangs then

I renominate you ooo....

yeyenatu: I'm lost ooo.

Interest me and I wikk shuck that thing...already bored sef... ohhh... okay! I don't even know/read/understand Arabic sa. Na english on I dey read... when I can sa.

QUR. 9:71-
"The true believers, both men and women, are protectors of one another. They enjoin what is just and forbid what is evil; they establish Salah, pay Zakah, and obey Allah and His Messenger. It is they on whom Allah will have His mercy; surely Allah is Mighty, wise."



Nominate?

Onegig...bellong...maclatunji...jarus... simbi----- *forgotten*

#YeaYeaNot

cloudstar:

Really, let us start by asking why "reasonable" Muslims who have their own culture and lineage decide to name themselves Arabic names.

then lts start to ask reasonable xtians who have their own culture and lineage why they decide to name their children jewish and english names?

cloudstar:

Can you provide a historical answer to the poster question?

it is the same historical answer you have gotten times and time again

I nominate sharkeyraw, betathings and myself...

noblezone:

What harm will it do to you if you offer me a simple explanation?

I am only asking questions and your temper is already rising to the boiling point!
Quickly you have accused me of blasphemy, next is a fatwa and then violence and shedding of innocent blood will follow!

sir, he that is without sin, should be the first to cast stone!
If you have ever committed any sin on his earth, then you have no single right to judge a sinner (assuming he has sinned).
but it seems all other men are "sinners" except Moslems!

The right to definition of sin exclusively belongs to Moslems
The right to judge sin and sinners exclusively belongs to Moslems
The right to execute the judgment against sinners, exclusively belongs to Moslems.
The right to worship God, also exclusively belongs to Moslems.

You call me a blasphemer because I disagree with Mohammed and his teachings, but you also have rejected Jesus and His teachings, will that make me to call for your head? No sir!

Jesus declared, " I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, and nobody comes unto the Father except by Me"!
I believe Him and trust Him with all my heart and I have seen His works of grace in my life!

You have not believed because you are not yet convinced! so, will I judge you No sir!
therefore sir, if you are truly a worshiper of the God that made the heavens and the earth, you have no right whatsoever, to judge a a sinner.

If you think someone is blaspheming, you have two things to do
1. Pray for them
2. persuade and convince them otherwise.

when you judge, condemn and kill people over matters that should be left between them and God, then you have taken God's position!
funny enough, the God I know is not interested in death of a sinner!
He wants all sinners to repent be saved!

Shalom!

nonesense! typical christian

so out of all I said, the only thing you derived is I called you a blasphemer. simple english you can't understand. what a pity?

for the record, I was only giving you an advice not to dwellbin blasphemy, but as we can all see, you have chosen a name for yourself. ..I don't care.

as to my point, if I am to follow jesus because I believe in him as a prophet of Allah. jesus christ never wasted his time on an unyielding fig tree, instead, we all know what he did to it. that's another point for you, if you are wise.

peace!

maclatunji: So, I see people wanting such a platform but not clearly defining how the process would work. @Simbiatadesomi, I see your suggestion.

@All, The danger with these arrangements is that you could have guys or even ladies acting this way:

1. Guy: Sister, I like you, you like me and we met on Nairalan Singles Forum that supports the idea that we get married. We have been getting along for 6 months now, don't you think it is time for you to come to my place? Don't you trust me? The sister is already emotionally attached and feels obliged to make concessions she is not supposed to make.

2. They start meeting in the wrong places, sex enters their relationship and it becomes "we will use condoms, so people can't find out " and then voila, pregnant sister arises.

These things happen and I am not interested in cluelessly engendering such. Can't the serious guys set out their marriage intentions to sisters they think have what they want?

As a sister too, can you not notify a brother you think is compatible for marriage? You never know, he may fancy you as a wife too. You guys can sort-out impediments together.

I am not throwing the idea of creating a platform for Muslim Singles to connect towatds marriage but you should give me better reasons why I should go through the trouble.

I go with this suggestion ooo mr maclatunji... control measures cannot be fully taken as the forum will not be included in their private or external interactions.

and besides, I'm not sure if I'm thinking too far. I think we should be very careful. some guys are not muslims and they may pretend to be in order to satisfy their urge and because they have special eyes for muslim sisters generally.

noblezone:

You folks are not heliping matters! I am expextinng several Moslems to offer explanations with diligence!

This abuse of the girl child and the maltreatment of women generally are among the reasons some of us have serious doubts about Mohammed and his religion!

I understand that rape is even allowed in some circumstances as a punishment.

I have a lot of questions and if this one which is very light is difficult to answer, what will happen when we get to tough questions?

this is not the first time of offering explanations, and you may ask thesmallrural who insists he never got a satisfactory answer which means there have been explanations which no matter how much will remain dissatisfactory. so what's the point?

you just don't dwell in lies and blasphemy, some have chosen that part, and don't even want to be free of their hatred for a religion. rape is not in any form allowed in islam and that shows the height of how far some people can go to slander islam.

you just think, islam is the fastest growin religion as of now, and majority of them accepting it are women. how would you, being a woman join a religion where it is lawful for you to be molested and raped?

TheBigUrban2:


The answer is always unsatisfactory

then why do you want to kill yourself?