₦airaland Forum

Logicbwoy: Sorry, as a skeptic I disagree that there is a perfect system. We human beings are not perfect and can never be perfect, hence, we can never appreciate a perfect system if it exists. It would be beyond our thinking faculties.


So, I will highlight some problems with your points on Islam and the mode of dressing-


1) The islamic code of dressing is one dimensional as you say. Now, how is that a good thing? Is it really a good thing if every woman wears a burkha? Starting to sound like communist north Korea where every one is dressed the same. Furthermore, is it a coincidence that the fashionable Arab women who dress fashionably when they are with fellow sisters (away from men) buy American, French and Italian fashion? his is partly the result of pushing a one dimensional dressing code....it limits creativity and you start buying creative fashion from those who have the freedom to be creative. At the end of the day, when these decent burkha muslimahs want to buy se.xy clothing for playtime with their husbands....they will still buy American clothes.


2)We are saying the same thing. Forcing an indecent lady to wear decent clothing wont change her mind. The appearance might be good but the inner core is still rotten. Take for example- some female pastors who dress professionally, only to be caught in extra marital affairs......


3) Office dressing spills on to normal life. You will find that many accountants still dress a bit formal even on sunday evenings- shirt and trousers or button shirt on jeans.......



One more thing- the fact remains that western countries have the best indices for women.














Yes, there are many honest muslims. Millions of them. The problem is that it is not so obvious when dealing with certain Nairaland muslims.

Logicbwoy: Good work sir,

We both understand that there is no perfect system. The Western culture has some flaws. No question there.

However, I dont see how the Islamic sharia is better or even corrects these flaws. Like I said, an indecent girl will dress half naked in the west but in a muslim society, she might wear a burkha- will the burkha change her innate indecent desires? The burkha or strict moral dressing wont stop a woman from being nasty. Putting lipstick on a pig will not change the animal from being pig.

The west gives women a choice. Some use the choice wisely and some dont. It is as simple as that.


Thanks for your contribution. It is good that we can agree on certain things. A honest muslim

tbaba1234: Wa iyyakum bro..
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Ameen.:.

babylolaroy: oh yea yea...i skipped the last two.pages b4 ds..she born pikin sef..umar and shez converted. whao!!!..

babylolaroy: brother lagosboy did a clean, clear good job. alhamdulilah for yu. this thread is d most educative av found on NL too...first about baiti mamur, i neva heard dat b4 and i was so happy to learn that and many more
now i caught something interesting. was it ifyalways i heard someone calling ummuumar?...has she converted?

tbaba1234: We can talk of all that but the greatest poets at the time could not reproduce any thing close to it and it was of the things the Quran was very emphatic about.

So I swear by what you can see and by what you cannot see: this [Qur
an] is the speech of an honoured messenger, not the words of a poet– how little you believe!– nor the words of a soothsayer–how little you reflect! (Surah 69: 38-41)

We have not taught the Prophet poetry, nor could he ever have been a poet. 70 This is a revelation, an illuminating Qur
an to warn anyone who is truly alive, so that God’s verdict may be passed against the disbelievers. (Surah 36: 69-70)


The bolded make it clear that it can and should not be described as 'poetry'..

Nolongthing1: this guy you no get respect at all for talking to the CEO like that at least be humble , taking a drop of water from a sea doesn't make it a desert so give us a break from saying you're the ALMIGHTY of islam for muslim , if u leave today there are thousands of users ready to occupy that mod postition , and you talk about being ptivate why can't u address seun privately too, we all know you're doing a great job by dedicating your precious time to this great forum, but keep cool mein.

tbaba1234: Uncomfortable with the bolded because the quran is emphatic that it is not the work of a poet.

deols: That is not even on my list. List getting longer ooo

Sissie: What about having a bond with someone, that bond that makes you understand someone even when they are silent?

The school says the 14 year olds are breaching its dress code and has placed the boys in isolation, sparking a row with their parents.

The boys’ families claim they are suffering discrimination because beards are a symbol of faith and their religion forbids them to shave.

However, the Mount Carmel Roman Catholic High School in Accrington, Lancashire, has conducted it own research which concludes the boys are not required by the Koran to wear beards, and it is merely their choice. 

Talks between the boys' families, teachers and the Lancashire Council of Mosques, are due to take place today.

A relative of one of the students said: "Because these boys cannot shave their beards for religious reasons, they are being put in isolation for six-and-a-half hours every day. 

"They are not being allowed to mix with anybody or speak to friends. It is pure discrimination. 

"They chose that school because it is within their area and has good results. 

The school has to have an open policy and they have to take in people from all religions."

Abdul Hamid Quereshi, chairman of the Lancashire Council of Mosques said: "The headteacher is co-operating and the school wants to learn about the issue and address them appropriately. 

"Different people have different variations of understanding. 

"Some are newly interacting with the Muslim community and it is our duty not to put people in awkward positions." 

Around a third of the 750 pupils at Mount Carmel are from ethnic minorities, mostly Pakistani, according to the 2012 Ofsted report.

The row echoes ongoing tensions over Muslim girls and women wearing the veil.

Last week the Prime Minister indicated he would support guidelines to judges, teachers and immigration officers telling them when Muslim women can be asked to remove their veils.

lanrexlan: That was his mistake,he drew conclusion so fast,it's bygone though.

NL member: Muslims don't celebrate christmas because they have been forbidden from celebrating birthdays by muhammed since allah never ordered it in the quran. A true muslim isn't even supposed to celebrate the birth of muhammed (ie Id el .Maulud), all they are supposed to do on Muhammed's birthday is to pray for him.
All this is very funny considering the fact that even their id el Kabir and Id el fitri are never mentioned in the quran either, yet they celebrate them.

maclatunji: Marry...yes. Quickly...not too sure. Maybe if a miracle happens.

Seriously, all of these arguments is because people are afraid of negative experiences and are trying to protect themselves from such.

Your spouse should be your best friend not a bitter rival that you barely tolerate. Hence, there might be times when my future wife will have to chase me out of the kitchen because I positively enjoy mixing-up things and observing the results.

maclatunji: Happy thread. #Alhamdulillah

@Sissie, no need to get worked-up over the matter. You don't have to cook if you don't want to. #Smiling

For a guy that can cook like moi, all of this debate is rather bemusing.

NL member: Muslims don't celebrate christmas because they have been forbidden from celebrating birthdays by muhammed since allah never ordered it in the quran. A true muslim isn't even supposed to celebrate the birth of muhammed (ie Id el .Maulud), all they are supposed to do on Muhammed's birthday is to pray for him.
All this is very funny considering the fact that even their id el Kabir and Id el fitri are never mentioned in the quran either, yet they celebrate them.

NL member: You're not worth my time. I will ignore your foolishness and shameless lying henceforth you worthless schmuck.

NL member: Shut up and let lanrexlan talk because you obviously don't know what you are saying and you would end up embarrassing your religion more.

ShehuAba: That Yoruba saying seems new to me.
Sometimes, i read or listen to our Yoruba adages and just can't stop laughing.
To me, that doesn't matter(though women are expected to be better), but some Men are better in this aspect because of their background and environment.