irishCream: And what if u just got shot as u're about entering the car or stepping out??

Insurance will cover

truthman2012:

There are two things I like about you: your style of constructing statements and your retentive memory. You still remember I once told you I have a copy of pickthall. Good of you.

About copy and paste, I did painstakingly peruse the quranic contradictions, in fact, they are far more than that number. I only pasted the ones I can dare anybody to try to defend.

But wait a minute, the quran says there is not a single discrepancy, but here you are admitting a quarter of whatever number of the contradictions. What is your take on this?

I must say I always feel honoured by your commendations for me. thank you so very much sir and you are one of the christians I would spend my very expensive time to dialogue...most christians don't worth it.

and for the note sir, I don't agree in any way that there is a discrepancy in the Quran. what I meant by a quarter getting here is that, only that amount would still not have been clear to you after your verifications. thanks.

truthman2012: Hi golpen. E ku ojo meta.

You guys amuse me a lot o!

What does it matter to copy good information and paste? What matters is the correctness of the information.

Do you want to tell me the thread itself was not copied from islamic sites? Prove.

ojo kan pelu sire!

as you have said, there's nothing wrong in copying any good information, what matters is the correctness. and that is where mr paste comes in!

when you copy good information sir, don't paste it just like that. there are some informations that would actually seem good to you, but would render you in a way after you must have pasted it to the world.

just like these, I can asure you that if you had taken your time to read throygh these stuffs you copied, you would have answered half yourself, a quarter with the help of your pickthall and then maybe the remaining quarter would have gotten here, which would have saved us some stress.

oh!

I'm here...bt not without the company of an ice chilled bottle of SOFT DRINK! (someone thought I'll mention beer) ... and a seat too.

Abdulsalam20: I ANSWERED D SECOND POINT ONLY FOR ME TO POST IT I NEVER KNEW THE SERVER WAS BAD SO I LOST IT BUT I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT THE FIRST VERSE U POSTED SAID 2 THE FIRST ONE WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN AND EVERYTHING WILL BE DEAD D SECOND VERSE IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST BLOWING GO AND GET A TRANSLATED QURAN IT SAID WEN ONE TRUMPHET IS BLOWN (THE FIRST ONE) THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN WILL CRUSH AND EVERYTYN WILL BE DEAD PLS HELP ME ASK HIM DID D VERSE SAY ONLY ONE TRUMPHET WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND RAISE PEOPLE LATER..................INDEED QURAN HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD(ALLAH).........NOT LIKE BIBLE

hehehehe....talk about the power of copy paste

I've known truthman2012 for a while now, so I'm not surprised.

and don't be surprised when he pastes this same verse as contradictions in the Quran next time again. that is what copy paste does, makes a fool of an highly intellectual.

Abdulsalam20: I ANSWERED D SECOND POINT ONLY FOR ME TO POST IT I NEVER KNEW THE SERVER WAS BAD SO I LOST IT BUT I WILL TRY TO SUMMARIZE IT THE FIRST VERSE U POSTED SAID 2 THE FIRST ONE WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN AND EVERYTHING WILL BE DEAD D SECOND VERSE IS ONLY TALKING ABOUT THE FIRST BLOWING GO AND GET A TRANSLATED QURAN IT SAID WEN ONE TRUMPHET IS BLOWN (THE FIRST ONE) THE EARTH AND MOUNTAIN WILL CRUSH AND EVERYTYN WILL BE DEAD PLS HELP ME ASK HIM DID D VERSE SAY ONLY ONE TRUMPHET WILL CRUSH THE EARTH AND RAISE PEOPLE LATER..................INDEED QURAN HAS BEEN PERFECTED BY GOD(ALLAH).........NOT LIKE BIBLE

hehehehe....talk about the power of copy paste

I've known truthman2012 for a while now, so I'm not surprised.

mr truthman2012 my friend...

copy paste as usual...weldone. hahahahaha!

TheBigUrban2: Muslims, feel free to explain what islam has done for Nigeria.

This is an attempt to hear the positive side of islam. Too many negative things have been said. So this thread is for muslims only.


What benefits has islam brought to Nigeria?

and why do you want to hear the positive side of islam?

and when did you start caring about the negative things too?

you guys will never stop..ise ti e gba niyen

true2god: Muslims 'egg shape' description is a new infusion into the quran which is subject to scholarly debate among modern-day muslims. Several verses of the quran described the earth as being spread out like bed (or even rug) and I can show you many surah that attest to that. If more than 30 verses of the quran said the earth is spread out, what else do you want me to believe?

The bible, as I said earlier, talked about the 4 corners of the earth. So if I may ask, are the north, east, west and the south no more the 4 corners of the earth? Please define your concept of '4 corners of the earth' so that we can learn. What is the difference bw 4 corners of the world and 4 directions of the world?

Remember, when the bible wrote '4 corners of the world', the modern compass is not yet available for modern navigation.

the arabic word used in those verses means ground (earth) which is different from that used for planet earth..please follow simple explanations.

north, east, west and south have never been refered to as corners at any time. it is just your own manipulative mind that is thinking that way...they have been refered to as points. points of directions, not corners!

I know you now know and I understand how very difficult to accept a fault in what you have held so sacred all this while, but you have to face it brother. I'm not in for arguments again please...I'll just encourage you to make your findings and seek the truth...

true2god: I dont think you are familiar with basic geography. The earth is divided into 4 cardinal corners, the NORTH, the EAST, the WEST, and the SOUTH. These are 4 corners of the earth. The biblical verses you quoted are consistent with modern geography with respect to earthly segmentation.

Surah 88:17-20 says the earth is spread out. Many verses of the quran supported the fact that the earth is spread out.

true2god pls now...im laughing seriously here ...when did cardinal points become corners? hehehehehe!
for your info, mr geographer, the four cardinal points are not even points as in concrete points. they are mere directions, oh brpther. pls be sound!

I've explained that verse you're quoting...don't bring it uo again if you can't debunk it

true2god: Allah said he has spead out the earth. Allah compare the earth with a bed. Is a bed flat or circullar?

you see, my friend...when you intentionally turn your heart away from the truth, your mind also goes somewhere else.

'the earth' as quoted in that verse you are talking of is not talking of the planet earth, but the soily earth...to make you understand better, just incase..you sha know' ground' , that's what ALLAH is talking about. and when HE says HE is a wonderful spreader, yes HE is.

the Quran says the planet earth is egg shaped, in surah 79 verse 30 , which is the most correct' description pf the earth as a planet.

the bible says the planet earth has four corners. stop arguing! check isaiah 11 vs 12 , revelation 7 vs 1 , daniel 4vs11.

true2god: These are what koranic allah said about the earth:

Qur’an 20:53 Who has made earth for you like a bed (spread out); and has opened roads (ways and paths) for you therein, and has sent down water (rain) from the sky. And We have brought forth with it various kinds of vegetation. quran 20.53 Jalalyn here also conveys the meaning of a flat earth as a bed: He is, the One Who made for you, as well as [for] all creatures, the earth a cradle, a bed, and threaded, facilitated, for you therein ways, roads, and sent down from the heaven water, rain. God, exalted be He, says, as a complement to Moses’s description of Him and as an address to the people of Mecca: and therewith We brought forth various kinds, species, of plants (shattā, ‘various’, adjectivally qualifies azwājan, ‘kinds’), in other words, [plants] of different colours, flavours and [different] in other ways (shattā is the plural of shatīt, similar [in pattern] to marīd, [plural] mardā, as [may be used] in [a phrase like] shatta al-amr, ‘the affair has become divided’). Qur’an 50:7 And the earth! We have spread it out, and set thereon mountains standing firm, and have produced therein every kind of lovely growth (plants). quran 50.7 Here is what Jalalyn says about this verse: And the earth (wa’l-arda, is a supplement to the position of the words ilā l-samā’i, ‘at the heaven’), how, We have spread it out, [how] We have rolled it across the face of the water, and cast in it firm mountains, to fix it in place, and caused every delightful kind, [every delightful] specimen, causing delight by its [very] beauty, to grow in it, Qur’an 51:48 And We have spread out the earth: how Excellent spreader (thereof) are We!

and how does this say that the shape of the earth is flat? .. you know you're quoting out of context.

true2god: Initiate one.

explain point num 2...

 Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’.  How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day? - is it scientific? is it logical?

true2god: Isaiah 40:21-22, the earth is circullar. You can give a complementary quranic verse that says the earth is circullar.

Job 26: 7, the earth hangs on nothing.

then how would you explain the discrepancies between the two phenomena?

true2god: pick a discussion one by one to make discussion better.

you pick anyone you feel you can try and we discuss it better.

true2god: Quote those verses completely one by one, as explained in the bible, then we can discuss that aspect. Stop justaposing to get 'likes'. You wont be paid for that.

that is how some of you xtians are being misled... you are very lazy at getting out to face the reality. do you think I have your time? for me to start quoting biblical text here. besides ur d xtian with the bible check out the references, put up your defence or keep silent and search for the truth!

I don't know when people's likes have started lashing you strokes of cane.

vedaxcool: ^^^

The problem with Christians is that they like forming pseudo-scientists when in fact they have little or no grasp of what science has to say of the many stuff the bible claims, like satan taking Jesus to the highest point on earth and showing all of earths kingdom in its splendor - I am talking of the temptation of Jesus as written in the bible, the writer of the bible probably thought the earth was flat.

are you minding them? ..all this ones are only church goers not christians .the xtians know about all these things. they are those that make up the church...without these lies they can't eat!

The first point was that -‘The creation of the Earth and the Heaven - the universe was in six, 24-hour days.

Point No. 2 - Light was then before the source of light.

Point No. 3 - Day came into existence before creation of Earth.

Point No. 4 - Earth came into existence before Sun.

Point No. 5 - Vegetation came into existence, before sunlight

Point No. 6 - Light of the Moon is its own light

.Point No. 7 - The earth - Will it perish or will it abide forever?

Point No. 8 - The heavens have got pillars

.Point No. 9 - The earth has got pillars.

Point No. 10 - God said… ‘You can have all plants and all vegetation, including the poisonous plants?

’Point No. 11 - The scientific test the falsification test, of Mark, Ch. No. 16, Verse No. 17 and 18.

Point No. 12- Using blood to disinfect the house, against plague of leprosy.

Point No. 13 - A woman remains unclean for double the period, if she gives birth to a daughter, as compared to a son.

Point No. 14 – How do you find out the bitter water test for adultery?

Point No. 15 - Eighteen different contradictions in less than 60 Verses of Ezra, Ch. 2, and Nehemiah, Ch. 7. I did not count them as 18 different - I counted them only as one.

Point No. 16 - The total is different is both the chapters.

Point No. 17 - Are there 200 singing men and women, or are there 245 singing men and women?

Point No. 18 - Was Jehoiachin 18 years old, or was he 8 years old when he began to reign?

Point No. 19 - Did he reign for 3 months, or 3 months 10 days.

Point No. 20 - Did Solomon have 3000 baths, or 2000 baths?

Point No. 21 - Is that Basha, how could he invade Judah, 10 years after his death?

Point No. 22 is - Almighty God - He said, “I put up a rainbow in the sky, as a promise to the human kind, never to submerge the world again by water”.




these are from the debate between dr william campbell and dr zakir naik, where doctor naik highlighted these points and asked dr campbell to prove it, but the later said openly that he had no answers for them. i don't doubt that somw xtian in this forum might be more sound than dr campbell so they should try prove this points logically or scientifically. if not, maybe it's time they started asking their  pastors these questions qnd search for the truth, instead of lashing another man's religion.

thanks...expect a full highlight and references of these pointa in my next post for easy comprehension and research.

Further, the, Bible says Genesis, Ch. 1, Verses 9 to 13… ‘Earth was created on the 3rd day. How can you have a night and day without the earth ?  The day depends upon the rotation of the Earth Without the earth created, how can you have a night and day? Bible says in Genesis Ch. No. 1 Verses No. 3 and 5,…‘Light was created on the first day.’ Genesis, Ch., 1 Verses, 14 to 19… ‘The cause of light - stars and the sun, etc. was created on the fourth day’.  How can the cause of light be created on the 4th day - later than the light which came into existence on the first day?


Let a christian please explain this above if they can...

donroxy: Yes, I was lazy to edit my 'ma'am' when I discovered U aint one !!!


U have to analysed my posts for me because it seems u re confused about my post .........I only extolled where the ''troll'' got it right and cautioned where he got it wrong !!!


I praised that ''troll'' for reminding we muslims not to premiered axioms of Islam on Science while I also Notified him of ''harmlessness in OP'' !!!


The reason why I praised the ''troll'' was because, some muslims may started justifying Islamic philosophy via Scientific axioms and when Such Scientific axioms changes, then such people may started getting confused !!!



Almighty Allah never seek to force any of us to belief, infact, Allah challenged us to be convinced before we Worship , because, If we are not convinced, how will we worship ?


Islam is a total way of Life and Islam encourages seeking for Knowledge, that is why I said, ''for the purpose of knowledge, we can discuss were Islam and Science converge and differs ......


No matter what, Allah(SWT) never wishes any of us any Harm !!!


Now, what is Apologetic about the whole explanation above, did u expect me to bite the troll abi are we not encouraged by Allah(SWT) and Mohammed(SAW) to convey the message of Allah(SWT) with best of the best manner !!!



Ok oooo, Next time, I shall Insult the Troll if that's what U expect !!

I guess this post in question is a very old one and I'm so lazy right now, I don't want to trace it.

but my point is that we should follow what Allah states in the Qur'an without waiting for any scienctific backup. even if their philosophy change away from what the Qur'an has stated, then itbis science that is wrong! simple.

Le Dove:

The only thing most of us who are not Muslims understand about islam is that it is highly prone to violence and the only excuse we get from apologists like yourself is that the religion is either being misunderstood or that there are elements at work to discredit it.

Never for once do you muslims claim responsibility for the actions of fellow moslems bothering on interpretation of your Koran.

there where times in the distant past where over zealous Christians attacked others but it is no more because other christians condemned and put an end to that crap.

As long as you muslim continue to forego the issue of islamic terrorism for what it sis as being an exclusive Muslim behavior then the rest of us should prepeare to brace up for more crap from your camp.

pls you need to tell me more about your Christianity, if all I know you do to Islam is blasphemy. or you have not heard the news of your osun state pastor trying to create unrest in his own church to paint islam and make his church famous. how many christians condemned the act? dia is God ooo! !!

what of the ones your reverend king does to his own church members? have you claimed responsibility for his actions? maybe you've not heard that one too. is that a credit from your camp? I could go on, but I think there's no need for that now. lets see how a little education can help you before I think of giving up on you.

he gave his own opinion and we muslims understand and have picked our lessons from it, to make sure the activities and matches dont obstruct our religious duties simple! . maturity is more about understanding the little things. not when your hairs stretch at the smallest chance to antagonise islam.

I think they were too shocked that mikel who I heard is a close friend didn't win the award. Even some who weren't going to perform went down almost immediately 2. So its normal but maybe not professional sha.

I'm very sorry, but your arguments are not mostly mature ones and as much as I love to have to have dialogues, I blame myself at times for engaging people like you.

Imagine the topic of the thread " talk about xmas " and here you've talked about at least two other different things swaying away from the topic and you think I'll be goon like you and follow as you drawn in ignorance.

I'm sorry I'm out of this with you...thanks.

cleanvessel:

So it is not in islam to preach to people of other faith? How do you spread islam? By swords?

Islam is the world's fastest growing religion in the world of today. You may love to ask the converts how they got to be muslims. And one thing why they are muslims is because we don't constitute nuisance in the name of preaching.

cleanvessel:

Thank God you didn't run as advised.

I wonder too what your business is with christmas. If your reason for the thread is not subjective, why didn't you post it in a section where the people concerned would learn?

My business is educating fellow muslims who may not know all these views, so that they may be enlightened and this is the section where I feel my muslim people concerned have lear
nt.

I put it to you that 'ileya' was not instituted by God as it was not practiced by Abraham and not done anywhere before Muhammad. It has no Godly source.

Thank you if you warn your people against ileya, I have no problem. It is your choice and I think I have the same right.

PHEMIEY:

#lol.
I still thinks there are ALWAYS options. and its in extreme scenarios like this that d zteristics of a REAL man comes to the fore.
#not in lalaland

Let me share with you a story that makes it seem as if maclatunji was there.

I spent a time with some couple in abuja when I had a programme in town. This is just one of the silly issues they had which costed the hubby some deal.

The brother came home late with some excuse of tight work schedule, somewhat genuine but she still managed to nag and they had a little mishap to bed. The next thing in the morning was the wife locking him in, obstructing the ready man from going to work. This was her plight;

She had coughed severely in the night and despite that, the brother didn't turn to check on her. But from what I later got, the first set of coughs were the natural ones, followed by a couple of fabricated coughs, which the brother noticed and intentionally didn't pay attention. That was the match that exploded the gun powder of the previous day's lateness pa lava.

In a nutshell, the brother ended up being suspended at work, because unfortunately, that has always been the wife's way of showing her grievances which mostly ended the brother getting late to work or sometimes not even going at all.

How frustrated do you think the husband will be if such incident happens again

You have started with your epistles... Did any of those mention these people you accuse?

You should better learn from my foolish words. ALLAH has not assigned anyone's judgement to you, so even if you think they are the ones being referred to, you have no gain in ALLAH punishing them, so focus on yourself on becoming a better person. Blasphemy against others is not sanitary. Please help yourself.

deols:

Only In Nigeria.

drag or beat her like she is a cow

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Y am I still posting on this ehn

Or better still stay indoors because she's vexed and get fired at work, so then she looks worse than a cow when she has to feed the home.

maclatunji: Ok, wife stands at door and blocks husband from going to work? Husband tries to call her "people", wife pounces on his phone and throws it away.

Man has to get to work on time or there will be serious repercussions which could lead to his dismissal.

Husband has tried for wife to reason with him but she won't. What do you think the husband should do in such a situation?

Drag or beat her (if it gets to that) out of the way to save her and the rest of the family from piercing hunger, then come back home to correct her and beg her, giving her the reason why you have no other option.

Seriously, women can be that frustrating and I seen some number of incidents when you may feel like spanking the wife for the husband. But at times husbands may just be left with only one option.

Al-Baqir:
^You and this unreasonable argument. Lol.

Is it a crime to share similar believe as the holy Qur'an which says Sahaba are not all righteous? Qur'an says there were pious ones among them as there were crook staunch hypocrites among them.

Is it a crime to believe in the words of the prophet himself as well as confession of certain companion among themselves?

You do not care to ascribe sinful acts to the prophet but always very ready to defend the sinful acts of certain companion.

In the word of the prophet:
"On the day of resurrection you will be grabbed from the left, and I will say: 'where are they (being taken) to?' It will be said: "To Hell, by God. ' I will say: "my Lord! These are my companions'. It will be said: 'You do not know what they did after you. From the time you left them they never ceased to apostatize. ' I will say: 'Away with him, away with him, woe to him who changed things after me. And I do not see anyone of them being saved except that he will be like a forlorn sheep".
(Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 7 p. 209, vol 4 p. 94, 156; Muslim vol. 7 p. 66).

And are you or ALLAH (swt) the one to pin point those that are hypocrites amongst the companions? Or did HE assign the job to you?

You better fear ALLAH and stop all these rubbish you waste your life on criticising people you never met. Think more of what you grave will look like and prepare for your end and (pray it is jannah)

lanrexlan: Repeating the same thing,bro golpen run ooo

No mind them jare. They've not been able to prove the OP wrong. All they want is pointless arguments.