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OLAADEGBU:
Alright. Meet me on this thread for your response.==> https://www.nairaland.com/2574098/what-does-bible-say-political/1

Open a new thread... You're painting Jesus as an intolerant religious folk like you are.

Don't bring me to wallow in you 'political correct' thread. What has this got to do with me or my concern?

Not bad at all...

debosky:
There is no misconception - if you say Jesus' teachings which are captured in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are part of the OT and say at the same time that OT teachings are for learning not for following, what other conclusion can be reached?

Comprehension o...
Jesus couldn't teach new revelations.. Is different from Jesus' teachings are to be ignored... Na wa o

I've shown you a whole paragraph of new revelations yet you've not come back to say which one wasn't a new revelation. Are you to be taken seriously or are you just trolling?

You see how people fail exams? Don't you understand what "list" "outline" is?

Please explain to me what Jesus meant. . . .it is difficult for me to understand what interpretation you're taking from that

It's as plain as white on rice... Weird you don't still get it.

Jesus made them his disciples before his death. Who mentioned 'disciples of nations'?

Comprehension o...
I don't even know how else to explain it to you.... Lol

No they didn't - they beheld His glory as that of the only begotten son of God. John 1:14.

That was after his resurrection na... Na wa o. Lol

See this.. I hope you'll understand o..

Joh 7:39 KJV
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

The same disciples by the inspiration of the Spirit declared He was the son of God. Mark 8:9, Luke 9:20.

For some reasons, you didn't notice this in the OP!

Your opening statement stating that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are in the OT which are for 'learning from' casts doubt on the validity of Jesus' teaching.

By your logic, that means I said the validity of the OT is in doubt!

Weldone o

debosky:
There it is in your own words - Jesus teachings are not for us to live by, since Jesus teachings are part of the Old Testament by your definition.

Comprehension is your deficiency o...

I can't help your comprehensive ability any further, bro.

debosky:
However, any claim that seeks to treat Jesus' teaching as not to be followed and just for us to 'learn from' is wrong, regardless of what 'testament' you place it in.

It's amazing how you lot twist someone's writings to suit your misconceptions.

The above bold is a figment of your imagination, I never said Jesus' teachings are not to be followed, I said.. Jesus couldn't really teach any new revelation, a feat i asked you to produce new revelations taught by Jesus, a feat you failed with flying colours.

Jesus said to us all that He was sent to the Jews o (Mat 15:24).. Is it that difficult to understand?

Jesus' teaching was to his disciples

Wrong... Read Matthew 15:24

- the ones walked, talked, lived and learnt from Jesus,

Wrong again.

the ones who received the Holy Spirit in the upper room.

Wrong again.

They considered what Jesus taught them before his death as instructions to be followed, not just learned from.

Fact is, they didn't even believe Him enough (don't come and say that I said they didn't believe Him o) ... They were even surprised to hear he was not in the tomb, even after He told them He was gonna rise again.

The disciples knew Jesus by the flesh. (2 Corinthians 5:16) They didn't know Him by the Spirit, for to them, He was to them a great Jewish teacher. Peter however said something by the Spirit, but he didn't really understand what he said. No wonder, after Jesus died, they all went to their different occupations, even though Jesus told them He'd be back again.

It was during Jesus' ascension (not before His death as you falsely claim) that He told them to make disciples of the nations, Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever He commanded them:

Granted they may have been limited in their understand

They knew Him after the flesh.. Simple.

ing or even ability to follow them without the Holy Spirit, but the validity/applicability of those instructions to Christians today should not be in doubt

Can you point anywhere I said the validity or application of Jesus' teachings should be in doubt? Thanks

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... Sooner than you think. Just wait let PDP take over edo and totally secure Bayelsa...with the whole SE/SS to the opposition (except for Imo, and APGA will always choose pounded yam over Amala and/or Gworo).

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Goshen360:
I'd fine but mostly viewing from offline except when necessary to comment and apart from the month of July when I was home for a one month visit....I no get NL time then o because my family I'd seen many years back needed my time most.

Good to hear that.

Well, not to prolong matters. I think (in the light of scriptures) that Christians are suppose to learn from the old testament (not live by it) in the light of the complete revelations of Christ and his finished works. These people of old had great times and experience with God but they don't have Christ and him death\crucified, burial & resurrection. These are the 3 anchors of our faith as believers!

.. But their salvation was hinged on the same Jesus, not so?

I don't think you answered the question - What should Christians do with lessons of old when it is no longer valid on this side of the cross; that is, issues of the old that doesn't balance out with Christ's teachings and His finished works

Hmmm... I'm reading on

Take for instance, there're teaching of Christ that contradict the teachings of Moses and lifestyle people had been living before Christ came - e.g, Elijah calling down fire from heaven on God's\his enemies but Christ's teaching clearly kicked against that when He corrected His disciples.

No na.. You're heading for the rocks,although you may be right in a light. Folks who rain than fire on their enemies don't know much of the scriptures... That's why we have to preach na.

What I'm trying to point out is... Thinks like;

Giving
Faithfulness
Faith (folks who did extraordinary things.. Samson, David, elisha/elijah etc)
Obedience
Etc

They all have lessons for us in the NT life.

But today, we have churches and their G.Os mounting pulpit and leading prayers of fire on enemies and we see this is contrary to the teachings\revelations of Christ on this side of the cross & his finished work. How should Christians handle these teachings is what I'm asking.

I understand... Most atimes, we pray to break such strongholds, that's what we get when we've being we've been wrongly indoctrinated... And we fight the devil like he's not been defeated by Jesus.

Bottomline, Christians should understand that it is in Christ that we're complete and need no addition. If the word of God says I'm complete in Christ...I don't know what else I should believe if not the word.

Can you then explain Romans 15:4?

So, if the teachings of old or examples of old are not valid on this side of the cross, Christian are to follow Christ and not the old! It's like following shadows when the substance is available

Now, that's your saying, not mine. Thanks

There're many things wrong in the church today but I'll save some issues for another time.

Pheeeew... Thanks for saving us the time.

Passion For Soul-Winning - Friday, September 11th .

Pastor Chris

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16).

As a child of God, you must be passionate about soul-winning; it must burn in your heart to take the Gospel to the lost. You're the custodian of the Gospel. It's therefore your divine responsibility to publish it around the world. When you understand that Jesus is the only way, you'll stand up for the Gospel.

The Apostle Paul in Acts 13:38-39 said, "Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man (Jesus) is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses." There're no options to the Gospel. No wonder David said, "Send us around the world with the news of your saving power..." (Psalm 67:2 TLB).

In David's day, the Gospel hadn't been fully made manifest, but he had insight into the revelation of Christ the Messiah. The time hadn't come and the redemptive work of Christ hadn't been consummated, but Christ now has come. He has died and has risen, and now lives in our hearts. Halleluiah! No Christian is left out of the instruction to preach the Gospel. It should be your passion!

Fuel your passion for the Gospel. Keep preaching and talking to others about Jesus. Discuss the Gospel continually with those who are also fired up in their spirits for the Gospel and intercede in prayer for the lost who are yet to hear the Word of salvation.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the news of your saving power, the Gospel. I'm grateful and honoured for the privilege to be a minister of reconciliation. Through me, many are coming to the knowledge of the Gospel of Christ, which you've graciously committed to my trust, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

1 Corinthians 9:16
For though I preach the gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Corinthians 11:1-15, Proverbs 29-31

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 22:24-34, 1 Samuel 30

macof:
Dumbasses everywhere in my mind.


Old testament = old written scripts by the Jews
New Testament = new written script by Europeans

Fixed

debosky:
I've not gone awol by any means. . . just unable to engage in lengthy rebuttals right now.

Whenever you are ready, bro!

MuttleyLaff has lost steam... Come with back up (just saying)

MuttleyLaff:
There is nothing to read up on bro

Slow it down, cowboy! There's a truckload for you to read up.

What debosky, I and others are trying to draw your attention to

So, you're the new spokesman? Well, since debosky has gone AWOL, I don't have a problem tutoring the whole lot.

is that its only you and at the least, KJV, that interchangeably use testament for covenant

So, it's me and KJV now, eh?

OK, a quick quiz, shall we?

Instruction: carefully read the below information, and promptly answer the preceeding question.


Heb 9:15 KJV
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Q1.What's the need for a new testament if there wasn't an old one? (kindly keep it in one sentence.) 20marks

.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Q2. Why was there a need for a change in priesthood if there wasn't a change in the testaments? 20marks

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Q3. Whose death was hinged on the effectiveness of the OT? 10marks
.............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Good luck.

There is a distinction to agreement (i.e. covenant) and last will (i.e. testament)

Dont bore us now, would you?

Instead of you and KJV to use covenant, you are using testament

Dont blame I and KJV... Blame your inability to get study bibles.

NB: the Greek for the word 'testament', 'diatheke' was used interchangeably 20 times for the word covenant... What sayeth Thou to this, considering the above writ by you?

All last wills or testaments are agreements

Q4. Who was Jesus agreeing with? 5marks

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but not all agreements or covenants are last wills or testament

Do you read what you typed at all?

Read up more on this bro. Brush up your Bible, else you'll have a truth decay. God bless you too

[/quote]I think you should call for back up!

MuttleyLaff:
Primary similarity between Covenant and Testament #1, is that, they both fundamentally are agreements,
however with covenant, sometimes it can be a one sided agreement, other times its an all party involved mutual agreement

Quite apt an explanation. Great job.

Primary difference between Covenant and Testament #1, is that, covenant takes effect immediately after an oath
which usually or at times, involves blood shedding of some sort or kind, to make it official, binding or legal
An example of a covenant without blood shedding is the Edenic one
An example of a covenant with blood shedding is the Abrahamic Covenant (i.e. blood shedding via circumcision)

Debosky... Ain't this lovely? We're all seeding you with knowledge... Freely.

Primary difference between Covenant and Testament #2, is that, reiterating, covenant takes effect immediately after an oath
and unlike a Testament, it doesnt wait for the death or doesnt need the death of any of the participants before its application

Someone was here asking me who died for the 'OT' to take effect.

The new agreement or covenant was done at the last supper (i.e. Matthew 26:28, the Covenant ceremony),
the testament or His last will, however wouldnt take effect until after His death

Debosky... Come with a pen and notepad, please.

Exodus 24:8
Then Moses took the blood from the basins and splattered it over the people, declaring,
"Look, this blood confirms the covenant the LORD has made with you in giving you these instructions."

Jeremiah 31:31-34
³¹“The day is coming,” says the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.
³²This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand
and brought them out of the land of Egypt.
They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,” says the Lord.

³³“But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,” says the Lord.
“I will put my instructions deep within them, and I will write them on their hearts.
I will be their God, and they will be my people.
³⁴And they will not need to teach their neighbors,
nor will they need to teach their relatives, saying, ‘You should know the Lord.’
For everyone, from the least to the greatest, will know me already,” says the Lord.
“And I will forgive their wickedness, and I will never again remember their sins.”

Great!

Matthew 26:28
for this is my blood, which confirms the covenant between God and his people.
It is poured out as a sacrifice to forgive the sins of many.

Sweet.

Well, maybe appropriately, it marked the end of an old covenant or old agreement

Aha...now,you're getting there. Nice job

It is true that there are at least up to seven different covenants or agreements in the Bible,
which spanned from Adam in Eden, to Noah and in regards to the flood, to Abraham and in regards to the Promise, to the Israelites and in regards to the Promise land and to etcetera other agreements or covenants

But since no one died before the application of the so called ''OT'',
then in a manner suitable for such a case like this, ''OT'' should be called old covenant or old agreement, as opposed to an ''OT'' tag

Wonderful piece... Awful conclusion. Great news is, I'm here to fix it.

I posted this few lines away..

Jesus Christ is that single person upon which the entire Old Testament is based.

God's agreement (covenant) with the Hebrews (Exodus 19 through to chapter 24 ) under Mosaic Law all hinged upon the coming Messiah. (no need to prove this for you )

The Old Testament covenant was very much like a personal living will, which only became effective when Christ died and full payment was made for man's sins.

What need was there for a new testament, if there wasn't an old one?

Luk 22:20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Read it up bro. God bless you

Your Success And Joy Are His Dream - Thursday, September 10th .

Pastor Chris

Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content (Philippians 4:11).

Someone once asked me, "Is it really possible to be full of joy all the time?" Very quickly, I responded, "I'm joyful all the time!" Then, he said, "Don't you think that's a bit unrealistic?" "It depends on what reality is to you", I responded.

For some people, reality is their human experience, but our reality is Christ. In Christ, it's possible to be joyful all the time. You can be joyful every day, and be successful every day, irrespective of what happens to you or around you, because that's God's desire for you. He wants you to be joyful and successful.

The Bible says, "Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth" (3 John 1:2).
Jesus came, lived, died, was buried, and resurrected; all for your sake! He suffered that you might live in the glory of His sufferings. That means you should live joyfully every day, enjoying your life. That's what He died for: for you to live the best life, be the Father's dream, and be a success in everything you do, irrespective of the challenges that you might face.

James 1:2 says, "My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations." The challenges that come your way are described in God's Word as light afflictions: "For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory" (2 Corinthians 4:17).

There's nothing that can overwhelm you. The distress is for a moment; it'll surely turn out for your good! The problems you encounter that seem to be contending with your joy are temporary; they're the springboards for your promotion and the next level of glory.

Therefore, refuse to yield to pressures and adversities; subdue them with the Word. Stir up the joy of the Lord from within your spirit and laugh on in victory. Satan and his demons are discomfited in an atmosphere of joy, love, and laughter. So, live at the top all the time by maintaining a joyful heart.

Confession...
My life is an expression of the glory of God. I live independent of the circumstances and situations around me, because I know that all things work together for my good. Therefore, I rejoice always in the Lord, conscious that I'm a victor for life. Glory to God!

Further Study:
Romans 8:28
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

1 Peter 1:8
Whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory:

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Corinthians 10:1-18,
Proverbs 27-28

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 22:14-23, 1 Samuel 29

[quote author=debosky post=37842460]

After the death,

Good. I believe you know what book comes after the death of Jesus.

*turns to the judge and jury...

No further questions my lord.

who died for the old testament to come into force?

I knew you'd chip this in. Since we're in a class/courtroom, let me school you.

Jesus Christ is that single person upon which the entire Old Testament is based.

God's agreement (covenant) with the Hebrews (Exodus 19 through to chapter 24 ) under Mosaic Law all hinged upon the coming Messiah. (no need to prove this for you )

The Old Testament covenant was very much like a personal living will, which only became effective when Christ died and full payment was made for man's sins. You need proof, shey? You remember that folks in Abraham's bosom got their flight tickets after Jesus' death, don't you?
(I wish you can understand these. That's why you've got to understand what the man Jesus did)

Oh... Here is a clue. The PASSOVER LAMB Became The LAMB OF God. Hallelujah.

As to your question of who died for the OT to come into force.. I really laughed. It shows how little you know your bible.

I told you the OT was more of a personal living will, but if you've read your bible well, you'd have read, that BOTH the Old and New Testaments absolutely required BLOOD to be effective.

Surely, Hebrews 9:22 tells us that WITHOUT THE SHEDDING OF BLOOD THERE IS NO REMISSION OF SINS!!!

The prophesied PASSOVER LAMB of the Old Testament became the sacrificed LAMB OF GOD in the New Testament. (glory to God... Wow!)


The Old Covenant lays the foundation for the coming Messiah Who sacrificed Himself on the cross for the sins of the whole world in the New Testament (1st John 2:2).

I'll give you a chapter of them - go and read Matthew 5 for starters.

Ah, you didn't disappoint.

It's a shame you can't type down any. God bless you, Son!

debosky:
Jesus couldn't teach new revelations?

You might ad well give up now.

Answer the quiz set out to you... Here's a lifeline... I can fully understand, if you can't.

debosky:
I disagree with this cut-off point. Jesus' teachings in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John are for us to live by, not just to learn from. We cannot discard those as only for us to learn from.

Read through, Son!... But, a quick quiz now, shall we?

Q1. When does a testament take effect?

A. Before the death of the testator.

B. During the lifetime of the testator.

C. After the death of the testator.

Q2. Could Jesus teach any new revelation in His lifetime? If yes, kindly list any two.

(i)...........................................................................................

(ii)..........................................................................................


Best wishes.

MuttleyLaff:
Kenny4lyfe goshen360 debosky
Interesting that, as it was then, so it still is today
Yes, Jesus functioned under the old Testament, and He really couldn't teach new revelations,
because the folks of then could not receive it,
because they had not the Spirit to KNOW THAT the old Testament is for us to learn from (Romans 15:4), and not to live by.
We will never enjoy Christianity by living by the old Testament, especially not by living by old Testament TITHING

As the new revelations teaches that, we ought to live by His grace and cheerful giving,
and not by an old Testament TITHING coercion, compulsion, arm-twisting or pressure

Lets not go into the nitty gritty differences and similarities between ''covenant'' and ''testament''
Question is, is TITHING in this new will?
What exactly are the others things in this will that took effect after Jesus Christ shed His blood and died?
What exactly are they, especially if agreeing with you that the new testament therefore began with the Acts of the Apostles?
TITHING de facto, is it in this new will?

I really do not appreciate redundancy, but... Let me just indulge you with one question.

Was Abraham under the old covenant?

A Yes or No would be just fine.

Goshen360:
I agree with everything taught here. However, let's us get something straight! If the old testament is for our learning and not for our living-it-out, I completely agree also but question:

Hello Goshen, being a while! Good to have you around.

1 - How should Christians learn exactly from the old if we're not suppose to live by what we learn from the old?

Let's look at what Paul wrote us in his letter to the Romans, chapter 15 and verse 4

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

The message translation renders it thus...

Even if it was written in Scripture long ago, you can be sure it's written for us. God wants the combination of his steady, constant calling and warm, personal counsel in Scripture to come to characterize us, keeping us alert for whatever he will do next.

It's clear as the noonday sun that God kept those records for us, to learn from the mistakes of others, to learn of his dealings with men of old... So that we will be in line with his workings.

For example, idolatry.
God shows us how nations were wiped for idolatry, how suffering and poverty were brought upon cities... How kings deviated from a course he set for them, because of idolatry. He shows us their end, and the lessons worthy of note.

*I didn't choose tithing as an example, so that we can have a smooth going thread. Thanks

2 - What should Christians do with lessons of old when it is no longer valid on this side of the cross; that is, issues of the old that doesn't balance out with Christ's teachings and His finished works

The lessons has a lot to guide us from... Take for example,Folks in the new testament read of these books and learnt lessons (notice the Plural) from it...

Jude 9 KJV
Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.

Looks to me like someone learnt a lesson from the folks of old..don't you think so?

Hebrews 11 shows us our heroes of faith... It's there for us to learn... James told us about Elijah... Peter told us about prophets of old and how they sought a glimpse of our salvation.. Faith, was taught by Paul of Abraham... Esau's blunder was taught us to learn from... So on and so much to learn.

Giving was taught to churches by Paul, from the old testament folks... Etc

I will like us to address these issues for\with Christians in this thread

You're in good hand then!

Your Faith Will Triumph - Wednesday, September 9th .

Pastor Chris

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith (1 John 5:4).

Proverbs 22:6 says, "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Imagine that as a Christian parent or a minister of the Gospel, your son or daughter isn't living according to the training that you gave him or her in the Word. There may be some who'd be quick to judge and say, "So-and-so's parents are Christians, yet he behaves like a sinner." If this happened to you as a parent, don't be moved by what others may be saying.

Challenges come to everybody; so, at the time you're facing your own challenges, stay focused on God's Word, and put your faith to work. Soon enough, that child will come into the right place and be all that God destined for him to be. Even the time others might have thought he lost will be regained, because God said, "And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpillar, and the palmerworm..." (Joel 2:25). So in such matters, don't allow the negative sentiments of others dissipate faith.

God gave us His Word so that no matter what we see or hear, we're not distracted; we stay focused. After all, as students, we weren't Doctors, Lawyers, and Architects whilst in the university. We were in school, being trained for what we were going to be. If someone saw you while still in school and said, "Hey, you don't look like a Doctor, Lawyer or Architect", you'd probably have replied, "I don't look like it yet, because I'm in training for it."

In like manner, we're all still being trained by the Spirit of God through the Word to be all He's destined us to be. If you already have children, keep training them in the Word. Even when it looks like they're not imbibing the culture of the Word, keep at it. Recall what we read in Proverbs 22:6: "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it." Give some time; the results of the training will be evident.

Never give up your faith because of the negative opinions of gainsayers; learn to live by the Word. No matter what you see or experience, your faith will triumph. Glory to God!

Prayer...
Dear Father, my faith increases as I give myself to the study of your Word. I take advantage of the grace that's in Christ Jesus, and to live a life of faith that's based on your Word, in Jesus' Name. Amen.
Further Study:

2 Corinthians 2:14
Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us to triumph in Christ, and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place.

Mark 9:23
Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Corinthians 8-9, Proverbs 24-26

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 22:1-13, 1 Samuel 28

OLAADEGBU:
Rejecting the true God of creation is not a capital crime in our Christian economy today but those verses reveals how God feels about people who commit the same crime of treason and will be punished on Judgment Day.

See rubbish abeg!

SalC:
if I hear...

How you dey joor?

I'm OK jare, being a while. Hope you're great?

I was being sarcastic, I used italics.

OLAADEGBU:
Glory be to God who has chosen me, a simpleton, for Christ.

"For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called: But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God has chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things that are mighty" (1 Corinthians 1:26-27).

You're getting it wrong... See where you're fulfilling scriptures

Romans 1:22 KJV
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,


Hating on other religion is foolishness. Where's the love of Christ in you?

Mr I-am-not-like-other-men, you seem to have hastily forgotten this scripture, or outrighly feign ignorance, or worse.

Mat 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Jesus never said publish speculations, discuss propagandas, theories and fallacies, (perceived true by some belligerent few) about your 'enemies'

He said you should [size=18pt]LOVE, BLESS, DO GOOD, and PRAY[/size] for them. I don't see you doing any of these, so far in all your threads thus far.

OLAADEGBU:
What are you grinning about?

I'm grinning a the rate you're making a simpleton of yourself

horlarwhalhe:
Please his Elohim one God or many?

Plural form of God in Hebrews... Referring to the trinity in a sense, and is the first name of God given in the Old Testament.

Keep Praying!-Tuesday, September 8th .

Pastor Chris

And he spake a parable unto them to this end, that men ought always to pray, and not to faint (Luke 18:1).

Someone once lamented, "As much as I pray for my country, it appears that the wickedness, especially from the political leaders, keeps increasing. Can God still intervene? Is there need for me to keep praying?"

The Word of God admonishes us to pray without ceasing (1 Thessalonians 5:17). In Luke 18:1-8, the Lord Jesus emphasized the importance of persistence in prayer. This is because being the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, you can change anything through prayer. The divine power necessary to cause that change is in you; it was deposited in you the moment you received the Holy Spirit into your life (Acts 1:8 ).

Moreover, James 5:16 (AMP) says, "...The earnest (heartfelt, continued) prayer of a righteous man makes tremendous power available [dynamic in its working]." Continue to pray for your country. The Lord is the God of all flesh, and there's nothing too difficult for Him to do (Jeremiah 32:27). He's the God of possibilities, and He's given you the power of attorney to use the Name of Jesus and effect the changes you desire. Therefore, in praying for your country and other nations of the world, let these thoughts be in your mind.

The God to whom we pray, reigns and rules in the affairs of men: "...to the intent that the living may know that the most High ruleth in the kingdom of men, and giveth it to whomsoever he will, and setteth up over it the basest of men" (Daniel 4:17). Consider what He did to King Nebuchadnezzar, who ruled his kingdom with absolute power. The Lord deposed him from his glory, and drove him out from among men, to dwell in the wilderness. God also restored him to office after he repented.

God has power over every nation and sets in authority anyone that He chooses (Romans 13:1). When He tells you to pray for your country, it's because He's given you the authority to decree a thing and have it established (Job 22:28). Intercede for as long as it takes for peace, continued progress, and stability in your country. Pray as though it depended on you alone to effect changes in your nation, and the truth is, it does; because you're the salt of the earth.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for teaching me to pray without ceasing for my country. I thank you for your divine power and wisdom that's released, even now, upon the leaders and political office holders for them to do your will, and for righteousness to be established in the land and in the hearts of men, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
1 Timothy 2:1-3
I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

Psalm 122:6
Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Corinthians 7:2-16, Proverbs 22-23

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 21:29-38, 1 Samuel 27

mustymatic:
waat has ur previous posts got to do wit it?

I thought so too... Ola shifting goal posts when shamed.

Suddenly, Israel and building their country, Allah and love, etc were all related to the OP, because Ola was involved?


Ola is fast becoming an Obadiah777...

SalC:
Sounds like this is Olaadegbu's anti-Islam week.

He's doing the Lord's work!

OLAADEGBU:
Don't be a quidnunc.

Seems you just learnt a new word and don't know how to use it.

Dear Lord Jesus!



What's happening here?!

OLAADEGBU:
If I supply the Scriptures of Christ will that suffice since it's not coming from Chris?



If the Words of Christ means anything to you then consider these eternal Words of His when He was responding to a Samaritan woman who believed in another religion:

"You worship you know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews" (John 4:22).

I'm sure if you were there at the time Jesus uttered this statement you would have said that Jesus is intolerant of other people's religion (Samaritans).

Our Lord Jesus seemed to be harsh when addressing this Gentile woman who came seeking help for her daughter. What would have been your thoughts at this time knowing that these kind of words from the mouth of Christ are strange to you?

"I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).

What Jesus said to this Caananite woman was even harsher when He compared her to dogs:

"It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs" (Matthew 15:26).

Here again you would have accused Jesus of intolerance, bigotry and racism and that He was not sensitive to the Gentile woman's feelings.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by me" (John 14:6).

When Jesus asserted that He is the Way to God, the Truth of God and the Life in God your likes will accuse Him of being intolerant of other ways and this is the main reason why true Christians are being persecuted for being 'unloving' and 'unsympathetic' to people's feelings when they say Jesus is the only way. Jesus says: 'No one comes to the Father but through Me'. And I reiterate the same and say every other proposal is one of darkness. You can call me an intolerant hater if you like they did the same to Christ.

Horse crap. I dare you to open a thread with this write you have, let me come whip you there.

Until then, I wouldn't want to derail the pounding you're getting here.

QuentinDay:
Is this your email address to send the for your eyes only evidences to?

Pasting Anita@pastoranita.org doesnt prove its hers

You were acting the doubting Thomas, not believing the blog is hers
and was insisting on not being convinced that the blog is hers,
so asked you to provide an email address to send the for your eyes only evidences to

I asked to privately send them to you, as they are sensitive details which I wouldnt like to share publicly on this thread

What are you even saying?