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SalC:
@Gombs
Mine are good too.

Greet them...please don't go again.

…They Don’t Count At All - Tuesday, August 23rd .

Pastor Chris

How terrible when all people speak well of you; their ancestors said the very same things about the false prophets (Luke 6:26 GNB).

God desires that every one of us be successful. And depending on your level of success, you’ll automatically become a persona non-grata to some; you’ll attract adversaries. This isn’t out of place. Never be worried, downcast, feel rejected or sad if there’re those who are against you, or those who don’t accept or approve of your success.

Actually, when you identify those who are against your success, you should be glad! The reason is that this world is so big, with a population in excess of seven billion people. Those whoare against you left everything else just to be against you; that shows you’re very important. So, get excited when you’re criticised by your adversaries.

There’s something inspiring in what T.L Osborn said several years ago; he said, “When you see a man with many or powerful or influential enemies, mark that man, for he’s going places.” How true! You measure a man’s strength, worth or value, not by his friends, but by the power of his adversaries. You measure a man’s greatness or influence, by the number or power of his enemies.

As long as you’re successful, your detractors will have you in focus. Once you’re no longer as radiant or as successful as they think, they wouldn’t care. But you don’t need to bother about them, because they don’t count. When they come out against you, they’ll stumble and fall, because the Lord is your salvation. Never give thoughts and undue considerations to Satan, and the activities of wicked and unreasonable men that seek to bring you down.

Understand this: your daily life is the fulfilment of that which has already been written. The Psalmist affirmed, “…When the wicked, even mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell” (Psalm 27:1-2). For those who set themselves up to be your enemies, their fate is sealed: they’ll stumble and fall.

Therefore, refuse to be distracted. Focus on what you’ve been called to do. There’s no need to pray about your enemies; instead, love them as Jesus said: “…Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you, Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you” (Luke 6:27-28).

Confession...
The peace of God garrisons my heart and mind in Christ, irrespective of the adversaries and adversities around me. My heart is stayed on the Lord who is my rock and fortress, my protection, and salvation. Now and always, I walk in victory, and in the dominion of the Word, reigning by grace through righteousness. Hallelujah!

Further Study:
Psalm 27:1-3
The LORD [is] my light and my salvation; whom shall I fear? the LORD [is] the strength of my life; of whom shall I be afraid? 2 When the wicked, [even] mine enemies and my foes, came upon me to eat up my flesh, they stumbled and fell. 3 Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this [will] I [be] confident.

1 Corinthians 16:8-9
But I will tarry at Ephesus until Pentecost. 9 For a great door and effectual is opened unto me, and [there are] many adversaries.

Romans 8:35-37
Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or unclothedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 8:1-13, Psalms 120-127

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Colossians 2:1-7, Jeremiah 8

brosci:
op i just saw the post and it is really funny.ivhave heard of this olalgbeu or whatever and he is one of the reason innocent deeper life are been criticized in nairaland. i am a deeper life also and i love and respect t.b joshua, i dnt care what people or olagbeu says about him. olagbeu shd stop all his rantings because if t.b is not evil then he has slandered God annoited and there is consequences. people often call me a free minded deeper lifer and as much as i love the church, i am not happy wit some of its traditions as it has hindered many outsiders coming to the church even if they want to, though changes are already happening. so i will advice olagbeu to stop his holy holy mentality because it is doing more harm than good to the church. kumuyi doesnt even encourage it.

Olaadegbu, bring a pen and paper and take notes.

brosci:
op i just saw the post and it is really funny.ivhave heard of this olalgbeu or whatever and he is one of the reason innocent deeper life are been criticized in nairaland. i am a deeper life also and i love and respect t.b joshua, i dnt care what people or olagbeu says about him. olagbeu shd stop all his rantings because if t.b is not evil then he has slandered God annoited and there is consequences. people often call me a free minded deeper lifer and as much as i love the church, i am not happy wit some of its traditions as it has hindered many outsiders coming to the church even if they want to, though changes are already happening. so i will advice olagbeu to stop his holy holy mentality because it is doing more harm than good to the church. kumuyi doesnt even encourage it.

Wt

Olaadegbu, bring a pen and paper and take notes.

brosci:
op i just saw the post and it is really funny.ivhave heard of this olalgbeu or whatever and he is one of the reason innocent deeper life are been criticized in nairaland. i am a deeper life also and i love and respect t.b joshua, i dnt care what people or olagbeu says about him. olagbeu shd stop all his rantings because if t.b is not evil then he has slandered God annoited and there is consequences. people often call me a free minded deeper lifer and as much as i love the church, i am not happy wit some of its traditions as it has hindered many outsiders coming to the church even if they want to, though changes are already happening. so i will advice olagbeu to stop his holy holy mentality because it is doing more harm than good to the church. kumuyi doesnt even encourage it.

Olaadegbu, bring a pen and paper and take notes.

Ubenedictus:
Dont mix them up, Christ is d offspring of abraham and all in Christ by faith are also now offspring of abraham and heir of d promise also we are in christ so we are part and parcel of d new covenant. in Christ we have a covenant wit God. in Christ, we are a partaker of the Covenant God had with Abraham

Fixed.

Ubenedictus:
and fellowship with God is usually covenantal,

Not necessarily... What covenant did God had with Adam, Enoch etc?

Is it that you don't know what necessitated the covenant or what?

Jesus came to establish that covenant,

Jesus was the reason for the Abrahamic covenant... The Moses law was instituted because of sin, till Jesus came. When he came, he ushered us into the Abrahamic covenant, with His blood..

That's why it's called the new covenant. It replaced that of Moses, and it was not a 'new covenant' to the Gentiles but a 'new one' to the Jews, so that we all can be a partaker of the promises, by faith in Christ Jesus.
Read Galatians 3 from 16 till end.

as man he was d new adam and so could initiate a covenant for humanity,

Initiate a covenant with who? GOD?

You mean God had a covenant with Him in heaven or earth? If it's the latter... Any remote Bible reference?

he was also d victim of sacrifice and his blood seal d covenant.

Jesus was NOT a victim.

it was between man and God. do u reject any of d above?

Covenant between man and God? Hahahahahha


Bible reference please.

Read Galatians 3 19
Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

The Moses law was there to stop sinning... TILL JESUS came, TO WHOM THE PROMISE WAS MADE.

Jesus simply was the fulfillment of that Abraham's covenant with God. Meaning, as verse 29 says, if you are Christ, then you are Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.

You were a result of that covenant. You don't have any covenant with God.

Ubenedictus:
Are u saying there is no new convenan in Christ Jesus?

I'm saying you don't have a covenant with Jesus.

Ubenedictus:
Please are u saYing the sacrifice of Jesus has nothing to do with a new convenant?

You just wrote an example of a tautology

Put Your Name There - Monday, August 22nd .

Pastor Chris

The elder unto the well-beloved Gaius, whom I love in the truth. Beloved, I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth (3 John 1:1-2).

The Apostle John established the fact, that above everything else, it’s God’s desire that we prosper in all things: spiritually, mentally, physically and materially. God’s dream is for us to be excellent and live in divine health always. Someone might say, “But that statement in our opening scripture was specifically addressed to Gaius; so it’s not applicable to us today.”

Well, 2 Timothy 3:16 says, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God…”; therefore, this beautiful thought John penned down is from the Spirit of God, and it’s still as relevant today. Gaius has gone to heaven, the apostles have gone to heaven; we’re the ones on the scene today. Matthew 24:35 says, “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.” His Word is for now; so, 3 John 1:2 isn’t for Gaius today; it’s for you, because it’s consistent with the provisions of the Gospel of Christ.

You might as well read the entire opening verse again, and instead of Gaius, insert your name. That’s what you do with God’s Word; you make it personal to you, because His Word is to you personally. When you hear or study the Scriptures, especially the Epistles, personalize the Word; insert your name. For example, don’t just read Philippians 4:13 as though it was only for the Apostle Paul. If your name is Smith, say, “I, Smith, can do all things through Christ which strengthens me.”

Take possession of the Word; apprehend it and make it yours. Don’t say, “He’s talking to us”; no! Say, “He’s talking to ME!” The Word of God is for you to live in, and live by. Always personalize the Word for your progress and blessings.

Prayer...
Dear heavenly Father, I yield to the Word, which prevails in my life, causing me to consistently make progress and walk in your glory. I prosper in my spirit, soul and body, and in every area of my life, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Acts 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Psalm 119:162
I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 7:1-40, Psalms 119:113-176

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Colossians 1:19-29, Jeremiah 7

SalC:
Lol
All of the above, your family, your parents, your siblings etc

They all good. Yours?

Muafrika2:
I won't.
So what is this all about from a grace preacher if works don't count? This looks like emphasis on works of personalities and an attempt at character assassination (not any of your preachers here) to me.

..

1. Find grace preachers.

2. Character assassination or whatnot, the thread is about the hypocrisy and double standards of another... With tonnes of proof to show!

Muafrika2:
What happened to the gospel of extreme grace Gombs? .

Don't derail.

Thanks

flamingREED:
Kumuyi's son was disciplined,
And the punishment for their error was transmitted worldwide.

I'm not interested in if he was disciplined or not.

Although, 'twas the lady's transgression, not his son's_
But it served him right because he didn't hear from God before choosing a frivolous lady'_

Frivolous ke? Hahahahahha, visit that thread and see olaadegbu's defense of the marriage... As far as sane Christianity is concerned, they did no wrong.

And in that nation DLB church had no right to supervise a wedding,
The minister was even hired_

Not my problem.

So things rolled out badly.

For you guys... Not for the couple and I sha.

But the discipline meted out was strong_
The couples apologized to the entire DLBC's.

Not my problem too.

Since then, I've heard nothing 'bout them.

Yeah.. They're ' sinners' now na

While their stigma lingers,

Holier than thou... Y'all are the ones thinking stigma... The guy is right standing before his creator... And his dad sef...

They have no influence on us.

My point is how olaadegbu goes to defend anything concerning his church, while he labels other churches different ill names.

Also note that Kumuyi's son wasn't a pastor.

Not relevant. Just go visit that thread.

Eli died not because of his sons' sins.

Open a thread and invite me.

[s]He died because he LET THEM CONTINUE IN THE PRIESTS' OFFICE while they dishonored God_
[/s]

Open a thread and invite me.

God requires discipline among his ministers:

Tell Ola that... God doesn’t tolerate slandering other ministers too.

Leviticus 10
1 And Nadab and Abihu, the sons of Aaron, took either of them his censer, and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire before the LORD, which he commanded them not.
2 And there went out fire from the LORD, and devoured them, and they died before the LORD.
3 Then Moses said unto Aaron, This is it that the LORD spake, saying, I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified. And Aaron held his peace.

Notice Eli RESTRAINED THEM NOT.
He was too tolerant:

Ogbeni ... Aaron abi Eli? Why get confused na? Go read the 1st and 2nd Chapters of 1Samuel... Then create a thread and invite me to tutor you, sir.

1 Samuel 3
13 For I have told him that I will judge his house for ever for the iniquity which he knoweth; because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.

This negligence cost him his life_

In other words, he died because of his children. Why the long stories then?

SalC:
Odi mma
Good to know you've been aound.
I didn't leave you o, just that NL is hardly interesting these days, just boring and recycled threads.

How are you and yours?

Yeah... I rarely have time here too... I just come paste rhapsody of Realities, and Waka! When I see topics created, I wonder... I just wonder in awesome awe.

I'm fine jare... Mine? As in my family? Or my parent and siblings?

flamingREED:
Okie_

You can also laugh at Israel for this reason

1 Samuel 8
1 And it came to pass, when Samuel was old, that he made his sons judges over Israel.
2 Now the name of his firstborn was Joel; and the name of his second, Abiah: they were judges in Beersheba.
3 And his sons walked not in his ways, but turned aside after lucre, and took bribes, and perverted judgment.

Kumuyi is not his sons and Kumuyi's sons are not him.
There's nothing to hypocritically revel in.

Remind me why Eli died please!

Why Oyakilome visited Joshua, I have no idea.

But of course you won't have an idea.

And as yet I can't put it side by side with Kumuyi's evangelical reach-outs.

Chris Oyakhilome may have gone to T B Joshua's for a selfie... It couldn't have being evangelical. I get your point bro. Weldone.

Kumuyi's preached before many preachers, churches including the Celestial church.

It wasn't an issue, right? But... Chris visits T B Joshua, and Olaadegbu and likes wouldn't see it as normal... It was a wonderful time of discussion.

Deeming him as bird of a feather with those to whom he preaches amounts to castigating Jesus as a minister of sin because He sends us to sinners everywhere men are found.

Olaadegbu... Come and read.

Again Kumuyi was on outreach.

... And, Chris Oyakhilome was on tourism? No Wahala

He has no time for cross-ministerial fantasies

Advice (y)our brother Olaadegbu, please. Thanks.

SalC:
Big head, long time....
How have you been?

Nwanyi oma... Ke kwanu?

I've been around, long throat... You left me here. Why?

petra1:
Funny thread ... But sadly has lots of truths. one of the area our highly esteemed ola need to judge himself is the area of gossip about churches and ministers . God never give anyone such assignment. He always claim he's exposing evil . But the funny part is that . He ought to have started the cleansing from his church . But the exposé is always about others . The dramatic part of it is that even when other people do exposé on the wrongs and crimes of pastors and leaders from DLBC Ola turns blind eye or denies the individual. Saying things like "HES NOT ONE OF OUR PASTORS " "who ordained him ". Etc .My own is It's only the devil who can give someone the ministry of publishing evil report of the church in open forum . And if you believe it's a ministry from God kindly start with your church .

It's been his character... . In fact see this thread.. Way back 2013.

https://www.nairaland.com/1362417/olaadegbu-soiling-deeper-life-reputation/3#16953727

That John Kumuyi's wedding is a good laugh tonic... For me sha!

Come see Ola in action

As You Look You’re Changed - Sunday, August 21st

Pastor Chris

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith…(Hebrews 12:2).

Everything the Father is and has is in Jesus. Colossians 2:9 says, “For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” He’s the expression of the totality of divinity. Now you can understand why He said, “…he that hath seen me hath seen the Father…” (John 14:9). In the eleventh verse of the same chapter, He said, “Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me…” (John 14:11).

Therefore, to behold Jesus is to behold the Father. Today, we see Him in the Word, for He’s the living Word. He’s the beauty of God. Another beautiful thing is that the more you know Jesus, the more you see Him in, and through the Word, the more you know and see yourself, because you’re in Him. You can’t know Jesus without discovering yourself. The Bible says as He is, so are we in this world (1 John 4:17). So, to know Him is to know yourself.

No wonder the Bible says, “But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord” (2 Corinthians 3:18). The glory of God is Jesus Christ; He’s the effulgence or brightness of God’s glory, and the express image of His person (Hebrews 1:3). Thus, as you behold the glory of God in the mirror of God (His Word), you’re transfigured from glory to glory. The more you behold Him in the Word, the more you see that you’re exactly like Him: the perfect reflection and reflector of God’s glory.

Keep your eyes on Him and be continually metamorphosed from glory to glory. James 1:25 says anyone who continues to look is blessed. In other words, he’s like a tree planted by the rivers of water, forever fruitful, productive, and prosperous in all things.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for your Word that transforms me from glory to glory. As I study and meditate on your Word, I’m metamorphosed, and positioned for the higher life of glory and triumphs, filled with strength, courage, faith and wisdom to do your will, and fulfil my destiny in you, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
James 1:22-25
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 6:1-20, Psalms 119:1-112

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Colossians 1:9-18, Jeremiah 6

We’re Of The Same Family - Friday, August 19th .

Pastor Chris

And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise (Galatians 3:29).

God chose to identify Himself in the Scriptures, not as the God of all men but, as the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In Exodus 3:15, He told Moses, “…say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.” He let
Moses know that the revelation of Himself that He gave to those men would be the foundation for their relationship.

You may call Him the God of Elijah; that’s okay; He indeed blessed Elijah and wrought many great works through Elijah, but He never introduced Himself as the God of Elijah. You may call Him the God of Moses, Joshua or Samuel, but He never introduced Himself as such. He identified Himself with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

You might say, “Well, it’s a family thing: father, son and grandson.” Yes, but the beautiful part is that we belong to that same family. We’re connected to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. You’re connected to the most sublime, prosperous, wealthy, and blessed family that ever existed. Galatians 3:16 says, “Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”

Notice that God didn’t say “seeds,” referring to a plurality of seed, but “seed,” referring to Christ. And the Bible says, “And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” (Galatians 3:29). We belong to Christ. We’re in Christ. Moreover, Romans 8:17 says we’re joint-heirs with Christ, who is the heir of all things and beneficiary of the Abrahamic blessings.

We’re of the same stock; from the same lineage and family tree. Not only has God identified Himself with us, He’s brought us into oneness with Himself. We’re in union with Him. We’re bearers of His Name, partakers of His divine nature, and carriers of His glory.

Confession...
I’m the seed of Abraham and therefore an heir according to the promise. I belong to the wealthiest and most sublime family there is, and I walk in blessings untold. I’m empowered to prosper, and positioned to be fruitful and productive, glorifying God with my life, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

Further Study:

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Ephesians 3:14-15
For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 4:1-21, Psalms 113-116

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Philippians 4:14-23, Jeremiah 4

Express Joy - Thursday, August 18th .

Pastor Chris

Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms (James 5:13).

Imagine that someone got the news that a kind person left him an estate worth a hundred million dollars; how do you think he’d receive the news? I’m most certain he won’t receive it with a listless “Thank you.” He’ll express much joy for what he received. Likewise, when you pray about a situation, maybe a health condition, and you believe God answered you, act like it. Express joy!

One day many years ago, I was leading the church service and had invited everyone to come forward for prayer. They all came around the altar and prayed. After the prayer, they returned to their seats as though they had just been whipped, and the Lord said to me, “They didn’t receive answers to their prayer.” He didn’t say, “I didn’t answer them,” because He always answers when we pray. But they didn’t receive because they didn’t act like people who had received answers to what they prayed about.

There have been people who received healing or other miracles in a meeting, and just as they turned to leave the venue, everything returned to what it was before. They lost the healing. Their healing was a sign; God had given them attention, and got their attention, but expected them to further act their faith. He wanted them to rejoice, testify, and be glad about what already happened, and thus keep their miracle, but they didn’t.

Many people don’t know that their expressions are a message. Faith is expressed in words and in actions. If your words and actions don’t demonstrate your faith, then there’s no faith. Every time people received something from the Lord in the Bible, they demonstrated it in their joy, and their blessing was sustained. Some actually received more as a result of their joyful testimonies and gratitude; an example is the leper in Luke 17:11-19.

The Bible says faith without works—corresponding action—is dead. If you accept what God has said about you, you’ve got to act like it.

Prayer...
I thank you Precious Father, for making my life a bundle of joy and happiness, and a testimony of your goodness. I go forth in your glory today, in righteousness, peace, and joyin the Holy Ghost, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Philippians 4:4
Rejoice in the Lord alway: [and] again I say, Rejoice.

1 Chronicles 16:9
Sing unto him, sing psalms unto him, talk ye of all his wondrous works.

Psalm 27:6
And now shall mine head be lifted up above mine enemies round about me: therefore will I offer in his tabernacle sacrifices of joy; I will sing, yea, I will sing praises unto the LORD.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 3:1-23, Psalms 109-112

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Philippians 4:8-13, Jeremiah 3

nwamehn:
I think I can understand some things from this ur post:
1. Moses + the people of Israel and Jesus' covenants were offshoots of the original Abrahamic covenant.
2. Jesus was even there at the establishment of that Abrahamic covenant so it would sound somehow saying that God had to strike another covenant with him later on whereas the Abrahamic covenant hasn't been abolished.

Exactly

But there ar two things u didn't treat in ur post, I apologise if I'm asking too much:
1. Covenant means an agreement between two or more parties. U believe that Jesus established a covenant called the new covenant which both of us agree that it's an offshoot of the Abrahamic covenant. If Jesus didn't have the covenant with God, who exactly was the other party involved in the covenant? Or will it be right for us to conclude that what Jesus established on earth wasn't a covenant but maybe something else, like a fulfilment of an already established thing or something of that nature, because a covenant can't be between only one person, there must be a second person?

I did treat this... Read Galatians 3 again

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.


In plain English

The purpose of the law was to keep a sinful people in the way of salvation until Christ came, inheriting the promises and distributing them to us. Obviously this law was not a firsthand encounter with God. It was arranged by angelic messengers through a middleman, Moses.

Simply put... The covenant was made by God with Abraham, to be fulfilled in his seed, Jesus! But there was a temporary law to keep folks in line till Jesus came. The covenant Jesus brought was already instituted in Abraham, thus abolishing that of Moses,which was a part time covenant till Jesus came.

If we said Jesus had a covenant with God, it'd mean God had a covenant with His Word (makes any sense?), and this would obviously have been done in heaven, which would mean Jesus' coming was a scam. For if we assume it was made on earth, where and when did it happen?

2. Exodus 24:7-8 says that God established a covenant with the people of Israel, does it mean that Exodus 24:7-8 isn't entirely correct for saying that "GOD HAD A COVENANT WITH THE ISRAELITES"?

Galatians 3 verse 19... That was the law to keep folks in line till Jesus came.

Perhaps the confusion I'm having now might just be due to the meaning of the word covenant and it's usage in the Bible.

No confusion here... You are probably looking for the reason why anyone could say Jesus hadn't a covenant with God, and probably also, why would any one say Christians or indeed anybody doesn't have any covenant with God... But rather, Christians are a product of God's covenant with Abraham...

It ain't confusing at all

Rhapsody Of Realities TeeVo
Wednesday, 17th August 2016
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

BE “ON FIRE” ALWAYS
(Remain Fervent For The Lord)

TO THE BIBLE: 1 Corinthians 15:58
“Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.”

LET’S TALK
Some folks are only fervent in serving the Lord when everything is cool and calm. At such times, they’re full of testimonies of God’s goodness, loving the Lord and demonstrating His love to their world. But once trouble strikes, they get discouraged and wane in their commitment to the Lord. Don’t be that way; be on fire for the Lord all the time. Don’t be that person who only wants to “use” God to get something he wants or get out of trouble, and promptly forget about Him once the solution comes. Be instant in season and out of season.

No matter what happens in your life, never allow anything distract you or dampen your zeal and commitment to the Master. If you allow anything take your attention away from serving God, then it means you’re not steadfast; you’ve become moveable, but the scripture above says, “…Be steadfast, immovable....” As you remain steadfast in serving the Lord, the enemy will throw darts at you; refuse to be moved.

The Bible says, “If you faint in the day of adversity, your strength is small” (Proverbs 24:10). When everything is going smoothly, be steadfast; and when it’s a period of adversity, don’t change from being who you are, because no matter what happens, you’ve been destined to win.

GO DEEPER
Colossians 3:23-24 And whatever you do, do it heartily, as to the Lord and not to men, knowing that from the Lord you will receive the reward of the inheritance; for you serve the Lord Christ.

Romans 12:11-12 not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer;

PRAY
Dear Lord, I serve you in truth with all my heart, for you’ve been great in my life! I remain steadfast and unmovable. I’m fervent in spirit, serving you with joy, and bringing glory to your precious Name. Thank you for making me eternally triumphant, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

ACT
Today is a fine opportunity to assess your commitment to the Lord; worship and tell Him how much you love Him.

DAILY BIBLE READING

ONE YEAR
1 Corinthians 2, Psalms 107-108

TWO YEAR
Luke 17:1-10, 1 Samuel 2

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Trust…Believe…And Act On The Word - Wednesday, August 17th .

Pastor Chris

So, as the Holy Spirit says: Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts… (Hebrews 3:7-8 NIV)

When God’s Word comes to you, the first and important thing to do is to accept it.

This may sound too simple for some people, but the things about God are so simple; He’s never complicated. If He were to come to us in His complexity, no one will even be saved. He’d remain a mystery. So, accept Him in His simplicity, and accept all that He’s done for you. That’s what it takes.

He’s called you to fellowship; accept it. He’s given you eternal life; accept it. He’s made you righteous, strong, vibrant, healthy, prosperous and influential; accept it! If you don’t accept what He’s done for you, given you, and made you—and live accordingly—you’ll be a victim in life. There’re people who say, “If God is real, let Him do something about my situation.” He already did; so stop waiting.

Find out what the Word says about that situation; accept it, and live accordingly.
Romans 1:16 says, “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” The Gospel of Christ is a message that works only for the one who believes. If you don’t believe it, it won’t work, even though it’s the power of God. Believe and accept that God has blessed you.

He’s not planning to do it, He’s done it already: “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ” (Ephesians 1:3).

Even now, if there’s a situation in your life that you want changed, you can receive a miracle by saying “Yes” to the Word! Quit thinking, “Is there hope for me?” Yes. Christ is your hope. His Word is the answer. There have been many like you who were in similar situations and had a transformation. If the Word could produce results for them, it’ll do the same for you. Trust the Word. Believe the Word. Act on the Word.

Confession...
I delight in the Word of God, for it’s perfect; enriching and beautifying my life. The glorious life is mine as I acknowledge and receive every good thing that I have in Christ Jesus, walking in the light and reality of who I am in Christ. Righteousness, joy, peace, prosperity, health and strength are mine, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

Philemon 1:6
That the communication of thy faith may become effectual by the acknowledging of every good thing which is in you in Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 6:12
Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses.

James 1:22-25
But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. 23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass: 24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was. 25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 2:1-16, Psalms 107-108

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Philippians 4:1-7, Jeremiah 2

MuttleyLaff:
In Jeremiah 31:31-33, God was getting ready and making preparation to get rid of the Mosaic Covenant (i.e. physical and law) as it will no more be wanted or needed
and the Covenant of Christ aka Promised Covenant (i.e. spiritual and grace) will take its place

I've sorely tried to avoid your posts... I hope this is the last on this thread.

Whether with or without Abraham, a new covenant is a new covenant

Did you read what you just typed? So, then Abraham’s covenant was truncated or superceded? When? How?

Mind you recognise the Abrahamic Covenant, the Mosaic Covenant and the Covenant of Christ aka Promised Covenant are individual covenants with their own merits

Why was there moses' covenant in the first place? Why was there a need to replace it? Does it then mean the Abrahamic covenant had flaws? Didn't you read the law was instituted because of transgressions till the seed whom the promise was (notice the singular) made should come?

The Abrahamic Covenant is an eternal covenant, the Mosaic Covenant became out of date and obsolete, and the Covenant of Christ aka Promised Covenant is a new covenant with a special redemptive nature making it able to stand on its own

Wrong. It's all based on the promise! Go read your Bible

You've been trying play hardball on this issue by repeatedly asking ''did God enter a covenant with Jesus''
Well, if you insist on wanting to play hardball, we can play that way by giving you Genesis 17:10

This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee;
[size=18pt]Every man child among you shall be circumcised[/size]
- Genesis 17:10

You must be joking. So, this was the covenant God had with Jesus?

Very soon, you'll be asking where is trinity written in the scripture

I don't have time to joke around with you... That's why I avoid your posts initially.

Cheers.

nwamehn:
I've followed ur discussions here but I'm kind of still confused regarding certain assertions u have made:
1. U said here that we had no other covenant with God aside Abraham and that we are products of that Abrahamic covenant but I want to ask u, what does Exodus 24:7-8 then imply if the children of Israel didn't enter another covenant with God different from the Abrahamic covenant?

Jesus' covenant of which you're a partaker of was a replacement of the covenant with Moses, both of which was a result of the covenant of God with Abraham.

A Christian does not have any covenant with God, we rather are a result of the Abrahamic covenant, Christ being the seed of Abraham, therfore we're heirs according to the promise.

Galatians 3 from verse 16 till 29 has these answers.


Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

Gal 3:19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Look at verse 19...the law was added (was only added) because of transgressions till Jesus should come (Jesus was in the front page of discussion from day 1), whom Abraham’s promise was made... Understand now? Jesus' new covenant was a result of that God had with Abraham, replacing that with Moses which was instituted to curb transgressions.

2. U also admitted here that Jesus had a covenant which u also said that abolished the old one established by Moses, can u please tell me who Jesus had that new covenant with if not God?

I already told you.... Jesus' covenant was an offshoot of Abraham's, read that book of Jeremiah posted above. God already said what Abraham’s seed was and will do. Now, Moses covenant came, and the covenant couldn’t hold, Jesus came and fixed it.

Now, if you said Jesus had a covenant with God, God lied when He said the law was there till the seed who the promise was made came... And it'd mean God struck a new covenant with Jesus (His Word) in heaven... That'd be a scam then.

The covenant Jesus had in His blood was a replacement of Moses' law, and a resemblance of what Abraham did that bolstered the covenant.

Gen 22

16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:

17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; note

18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.



Now let's go back to Galatians 3 verse 17 and 18,I'd use kjv version

And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.


I pray you understand what Paul's saying here. Paul's saying... The covenant was before God in Christ... The law could not disannul it... God gave this inheritance by promise to Abraham, this was fulfilled in Christ, of whom we all are partakers of, if we believe in Christ, hence the promises are ours today.

In summary, Christ was there when the covenant with Abraham was made, and it'd be unrighteous for God to strike another covenant with Jesus (His Word), thereby truncating His covenant with Abraham. Jesus was the seed being referred to all along in the Abrahamic covenant.

Pls, I really need to get ur exact points more clearly.

No Wahala

Muafrika2:
If you can't be challenged without getting worked up, step aside and stop masquerading as a bible teacher. You have no reason to engage me. And I have even less.

That's the problem with having defending a borrowed doctrine. And why I consider all extreme grace preachers short on reason.

Borrowed doctrine! Yours is what? Certified?

Yet you said Abraham’s covenant is spent, and can't see how Jesus' covenant was a replacement to Moses' both of which came from Abraham.

You are claiming you have a covenant with God, you can't tell me how and when. You said Jesus' covenant was sealed with blood, I asked you to show one Scripture that remotely said that God entered a covenant with Jesus, you're yet to do so...

Funny fellow

Rhapsody Of Realities TeeVo
Tuesday, 16th August 2016
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome

WHAT LEVEL ARE YOU AT?
(Go For God’s Best: Walk In Divine Health)

TO THE BIBLE; Mark 7:25-27
“A woman whose young daughter had an unclean spirit heard about Him (Jesus), and she came and fell at His feet. The woman was a Greek, a Syro-Phoenicianby birth, and she kept asking Him to cast the demon out of her daughter. But Jesus said to her, “Let the children be filled first, for it is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.””

LET’S TALK
Some people have asked me, “Pastor Chris, I used to pray for myself and get healed. However, nowadays, when I pray for myself, nothing happens, even though I pray for others and they receive healing. What’s gone wrong?” The answer is simple: God never told you to pray for yourself to be healed. Just because it worked for you when you were a baby Christian doesn’t mean you should go on like that.

God’s best isn’t for you to be healed, but to walk in divine health. When you mature spiritually, you don’t ask God to heal you, because your faith works for divine health. When you feel symptoms of sickness in your body, you declare, “In the Name of Jesus, I command the pain to cease!” and it happens.

So, what level are you at? You’ve got to move to the higher class, where there’re no headaches, fever, or any form of sickness or disease! The Bible says they that dwell in Zion shall not say, “I am sick” (Isaiah 33:24). The reason they don’t say it is because they don’t get sick. You’re an associate of the God-kind.

GO DEEPER
1 Corinthians 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.

1 Peter 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.

3 John 1:1 The elder, To my dear friend. Gaius, whom I love in the truth.

SPEAK
I live the supernatural life! I’ve got divine health working in every fibre of my being, every cell of my blood, and in every bone of my body! I live the supernatural life, from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet! The Word of God, and the Holy Spirit quicken my mortal body through and through, in the Name of Jesus. Amen.

ACT
Ponder on this scripture: Acts 17:30

DAILY BIBLE READING

ONE YEAR
1 Corinthians 1, Psalms 104-106

TWO YEAR
Luke 16:19-31, 1 Samuel 1

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Your Right To Divine Health - Tuesday, August 16

Pastor Chris

Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed (1 Peter 2:24).

Sometimes, people testify about their health and say, “I really thank God for giving me health. Where would I have been if He hadn’t given me health?” They think God looks around from time to time and says to one, “I give you health,” and to another, “I seize your health.” That’s not the way God is, and that definitely isn’t the kind of God Jesus pictured for us.

In Matthew 8:16, the Bible says Jesus healed all that were sick, revealing to us that it’s not the Father’s will for anyone to be sick. Acts 10:38 says, “How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.” The oppression came from the devil, but it was the Father who anointed Jesus to heal all who had been oppressed.

God gave you divine health because He loves you. He didn’t wait for anyone to pray for your sins to be forgiven before sending Jesus Christ to die for you; He sent Him because He loves you. In the same way, He took sickness and disease away from you and made divine healing and health your inheritance in Christ. Thus, you have a right to health, because Jesus paid for it. He died to give you divine health.

Refuse to be sick. Don’t say, “But there’re some normal sicknesses”; there’s no sickness that’s normal. How could any sickness be normal? Just because it’s common doesn’t make it normal. Otherwise, why would people try to get rid of “something that’s normal?” Your ears are normal; that’s why you haven’t tried to have them cut off. People only cut off from their bodies the abnormal things: for example, cancerous growths; not the normal ones.

God cares about you and wants you to live healthy and strong every day. 3 John 1:2 says, “…I wish above all things that thou mayest prosper and be in health, even as thy soul prospereth.”

Prayer...
Blessed Father, I thank you that I live healthy and strong by the Holy Spirit. Divine life is at work in me. I manifest the virtues and perfections of your righteousness, walking in the glory and dominion of the Spirit, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Isaiah 33:24
And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein [shall be] forgiven [their] iniquity.

Romans 8:10-11
And if Christ [be] in you, the body [is] dead because of sin; but the Spirit [is] life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: 1 Corinthians 1:1-31, Psalms 104-106

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Philippians 3:13-21, Jeremiah 1

donnie:
What is all this? It appears you are more interested in engaging someone in an argument than you are to discover truth. Why struggle to make the scriptures say what that are not. Why try to make the scriptures look difficult or contradictory. They are not at all.

I managed to respond to your queries, not minding how many or how scattered you presented them, not because I was prepared for long endless argument a but just to let you know that promise10 was arguing based on scripture.
And now you continue, quoting me, yourself, back and forth and trying to reason out divine revelation.

If you want a response from me, take it one at a time. And please be clear about whether you want to learn or you are simply putting forth yet another argument. I do not want to go on an endless fruitless journey especially when someone is requesting for knowledge in the guise of argument.

To begin to interpret scripture, you must first have the basic foundational knowledge of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Abraham had seed according to the flesh - his natural descendants and Seed according to the promise- Christ, the seed of Abraham.

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Hebrews 11:18 Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:


Notice the above scriptures do not say "Isaac" shall thy seed be called but "in Isaac" shall thy seed be called.

Meaning that even though the natural descendants of Abraham were and are still blessed above all nations of the earth, there is the promised seed -Christ and all who are His to whom the promises were actually made.

No wonder the scriptures refer to the Old testament as a shadow of the new.


Colossians 2:16-17
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law having a shadow of the coming good things--not the very image of the matters, every year, by the same sacrifices that they offer continually, is never able to make perfect those coming near,



So there was 1) Abraham, then 2) the law and the old testament, then 3) Christ and the New testament.

So God cut a covenant with Abraham. The law of Moses with the old testament is based on the Abrahamic covenant and so is the new Testament based on the same covenant.

The New testament was necessitated by the inability of the Old to make one righteousness and perfect (even though the law in itself was holy).

Moses was the mediator of the Old testament based on the law. Attaining Righteousness and enjoying the blessings of Abraham was by works.

Jesus was the mediator of the New testament based on grace. Attaining righteousness and enjoying the blessings of Abraham is by faith.

This is the summary of all the scriptures I quoted. No need to quote more. This is the message of the entire bible. This is the picture you must have to understand and interpret the scriptures properly.

Wisdom in letters...


All who seek knowledge should come here and learn. Thanks donnie

petra1:
Well we have to go back to the Old Testament and check the prophecies made concerning this new covenant . Let me start with Jeremiah . I will publish the rest as I can remember .


Jeremiah 31:31-33
Behold, the days come, saith the Lord,
that I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers
in the day that I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the land of Egypt;
which my covenant they brake,
although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the Lord,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
and write it in their hearts;
and will be their God,
and they shall be my people.

We can all see God was referring to the covenant with Moses... A covenant Jesus replaced properly.

Now, These two covenants are other under that of Abraham, for without Abraham, there would have been no covenant with Israel.

Now, my question is, did God enter a covenant with Jesus? If yes, scriptures will be greatly Appreciated.

Exercise Your Faith - Monday, August 15

Pastor Chris

…according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith (Romans 12:3).

Your faith is God-given and it works. Jesus said, “...If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you” (Matthew 17:20). Notice what He said: “If ye have…” because at one time, His disciples had no faith. That was when He asked them, “…how is it that ye have no faith?” (Mark 4:40). However, for us, the new creation, we were born again with faith in our spirits.

There’s no Christian that lacks faith. God gave to each one of us “the measure,” not “a measure,” of faith. He gave us all the same seed of faith, but you’re required to grow your faith and make it effective. The circumstances and the crises of life are at different levels, and require different levels of faith. There’s little faith and great faith, and then there’s weak faith and strong faith. You increase your level of faith by hearing more of God’s Word (Romans 10:17), but to improve the quality of your faith—the tensile nature—you have to exercise your faith; you have to use it.

For instance, that someone has a large body with a lot of flesh doesn’t necessarily mean the muscles are strong; you strengthen them by using and exercising them. Keep using and exercising your faith by acting on the Word; faith always works. If you acted your faith and it seemed like it didn’t work, go back to the Word and learn some more, and try again.

It’s like a child learning to walk; it gets more perfect with every step. It’ll be wrong to say of a child who’s learning to walk, “Since this child has fallen three times, I’ll never let him walk again.” The child would have to keep at it until finally, his muscles are strong enough, and that same child starts running.

Keep building and developing your faith by learning more and more of God’s Word and putting what you learn to work. Be quick to accept, believe, and do the Word. Affirm and declare the Word, irrespective of the contrary circumstances. That’s how to build strong and prevailing faith.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I rejoice in your Word that’s at work in me and building my spirit strong! I’m set on the path of life, guided by your Spirit in glory, and everlasting triumph. I live the glorious life of righteousness, dominion, grace and power, today and always, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Matthew 21:21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this [which is done] to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Proverbs 24:10
[If] thou faint in the day of adversity, thy strength [is] small.

2 Corinthians 4:18
While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Romans 16:1-27, Psalms 102-103

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Philippians 3:1-12, Isaiah 66

petra1:
@Gombs ,

The new covenant by the blood of christ is between who and who?

Clearly, Jesus paid the ransom for our lives to God. That ransom was His own life, the shedding of His own blood, a sacrifice. Due to His sacrificial death, each person on earth has the opportunity to accept that gift of atonement and be forgiven by God. For without His death, God's Law would still need to be satisfied—by our own death.

It wasn't a negotiations in my opinion. Besides, do you think God had a covenant with Jesus?