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Career › Re: 400 Disengaged Diamond Bank Staff Protest Non-payment Of Severance Pay by Gombs(op): 10:55am On Jul 11, 2016
Career › Re: 400 Disengaged Diamond Bank Staff Protest Non-payment Of Severanc by Gombs(op): 7:31am On Jul 11, 2016
hungryboy:
E no easy for this Buhari government oh,
Small time now,
Him ediot spokesman go talk say na only few opposition politicians dey complain of hardship.
Bros... It's a terrible evil diamond bank Wan pull so.

Lalasticlala biko, do the needful.
Career › Re: 400 Disengaged Diamond Bank Staff Protest Non-payment Of Severance Pay by Gombs(op): 7:30am On Jul 11, 2016
They must have thought folks can't read.

Career › Re: 400 Disengaged Diamond Bank Staff Protest Non-payment Of Severance Pay by Gombs(op): 7:11am On Jul 11, 2016
jennyfah:
Very true
I spent 9years in the bank and yet my account is in debit.
We don't want our jobs back
Just pay us our entitlements
Enough is enough
They'd have to pay up. God's on our side.

Lalasticlala please come and epp us.

Let me mention the magic word? Oya
SNAKE grin

Please help us
Career › 400 Disengaged Diamond Bank Staff Protest Non-payment Of Severanc by Gombs(op): 7:09am On Jul 11, 2016
Over 400 hundred disengaged staff of Diamond Bank who were recently affected by the downsizing exercise carried out by the bank have decried the non-payment of their severance pay by the management after terminating their appointments suddenly.

The workers who spoke to newsmen in Kaduna at the weekend said the disengagement terms by Diamond Bank should not be different from that of the other banks which adequately settled all the terminated staff their severance pay and other entitlements in line with labour laws of disengaging workers on the basis of redundancy or anything related.

In addition to the non-payment, the workers lamented, Diamond Bank is also trying to make them unemployable by claiming that their disengagement is due their non performance, but which in reality is not true as many of them have good/excellent performance rating in their appraisals.

The spokesman of the group who preferred anonymity said they will not allow the bank to get away with their action.

"Diamond Bank is not the only bank that sacked its staff recently, but obviously, it is the only bank that is refusing to pay its former workers their severance pay after terminating their appointments unannounced.

“And to further strengthen their refusal to pay, the bank is telling the public that we were sack due to our non-performance. This is not only a malicious lie but it is wicked because by saying that, they are trying to render us unemployable.

“But on the contrary, many of us who were affected, numbering over 400, have good/excellent performance rating during previous appraisals including the last one done by the bank. The records are all there.

"So, Diamond Bank should stop peddling falsehood and own up their responsibilities. If they are sacking because of economic reasons, they should say so and adequately settle anyone they terminate his or her appointment. That was what other banks did.

“However, we will engage all means within the law to ensure that the bank does not get away with this illegality, because over 400 people are not a small number.

“We have been consulting widely across the country on the matter to know the precise action to take and we are in Kaduna to consult with various human right activists/lawyers, labour leaders and other notable figures who will help to advance our case," the spokesman said.

The spokesman added that the bank has already thrown all their accounts into debit, suspended their visa cards as well as threatening them to immediately pay up any money owed it as a result of the upfront allowances paid them in January/February and that it (the bank) shall begin to apply the staff rate of 4% interest for 90 days, after which it shall begin to attract interest at Monetary Policy Rate.

The spokesman urged the government to put necessary measures in place to prohibit not only banks but other organizations from arbitrarily terminating their staff's appointment at the slightest economic challenge, pointing out that the ability to absorb economic shocks and manoeuvre is also a necessary aspect of organizational commitment.

When contacted, the Group Managing Director of Diamond Bank, Uzoma Dozie said "I cannot talk to you because I cannot verify who you are, but if you read their contract, you will know if they were to be paid remuneration or not."
http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/business/400-disengaged-diamond-bank-staff-protest-non-payment-of-severance-pay/154738.html?platform=hootsuite

Moderators, please send this to the front page. This wickedness must not go free. People very close to me have been affected, and it's too unfair.

Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:57am On Jul 11, 2016
Don’t Give In To Sickness - Monday, July 11

Pastor Chris

My son, attend to my words…For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh (Proverbs 4:20-22).
The Hebrew word for “health” in our opening scripture is “marpe,” which means “medicine.” If someone were sick and dying and got a hold of the Word, he’d be healed and restored, because God’s Word is medicine.

It brings to mind the testimony of a certain brother; he’d been diagnosed with cancer which, for many, is a death sentence. However, rather than being discouraged, he made up his mind to act on the Word for a miracle. He got several of our messages and listened repeatedly for weeks.

After sometime, he went for his next appointment with the doctors and they couldn’t find any trace of cancer in his body. The Word of God effected a cure and completely eradicated the cancer. Are you facing any challenge in your physical body today? The Word of God is medicine! Not only does the Word destroy sickness from the body, it keeps it immune to sickness, disease, and infirmity.

Don’t give in to sickness. Christ already consummated the plan for your divine health; So, it doesn’t matter what the health condition is; place your hand on it and say, “In the Name of Jesus, I refuse to accommodate this infirmity.” Whatever part of your body the challenge is, tell it off in the Name of Jesus. You have authority in that Name; use it.

Someone might have been suffering with migraine or heart trouble for a long time; it’s time to say, “No.” Understand that Jesus took care of every form of pain that could have come to you. The responsibility is now yours to establish that victory in your life!

That heart trouble is unnecessary; it’s time to drop it. Yes, you can, even NOW. You say, “heart, become normal, in the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth”; and it shall be so.
Live in health. Choose to be full of life every day! Hallelujah!

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the entrance of your Word brings light to my heart and produces health in my body. Your Word is working in me, making me healthy, vibrant, strong, and productive today and always, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

Exodus 23:25
And ye shall serve the LORD your God, and he shall bless thy bread, and thy water; and I will take sickness away from the midst of thee.

Isaiah 33:24
And the inhabitant shall not say, I am sick: the people that dwell therein [shall be] forgiven [their] iniquity.

1 Peter 2:24
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 21:1-16, Job 25-28

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Galatians 3:1-12, Isaiah 31
Career › 400 Disengaged Diamond Bank Staff Protest Non-payment Of Severance Pay by Gombs(op): 6:54am On Jul 11, 2016
Over 400 hundred disengaged staff of Diamond Bank who were recently affected by the downsizing exercise carried out by the bank have decried the non-payment of their severance pay by the management after terminating their appointments suddenly.

The workers who spoke to newsmen in Kaduna at the weekend said the disengagement terms by Diamond Bank should not be different from that of the other banks which adequately settled all the terminated staff their severance pay and other entitlements in line with labour laws of disengaging workers on the basis of redundancy or anything related.

In addition to the non-payment, the workers lamented, Diamond Bank is also trying to make them unemployable by claiming that their disengagement is due their non performance, but which in reality is not true as many of them have good/excellent performance rating in their appraisals.

The spokesman of the group who preferred anonymity said they will not allow the bank to get away with their action.

"Diamond Bank is not the only bank that sacked its staff recently, but obviously, it is the only bank that is refusing to pay its former workers their severance pay after terminating their appointments unannounced.

“And to further strengthen their refusal to pay, the bank is telling the public that we were sack due to our non-performance. This is not only a malicious lie but it is wicked because by saying that, they are trying to render us unemployable.

“But on the contrary, many of us who were affected, numbering over 400, have good/excellent performance rating during previous appraisals including the last one done by the bank. The records are all there.

"So, Diamond Bank should stop peddling falsehood and own up their responsibilities. If they are sacking because of economic reasons, they should say so and adequately settle anyone they terminate his or her appointment. That was what other banks did.

“However, we will engage all means within the law to ensure that the bank does not get away with this illegality, because over 400 people are not a small number.

“We have been consulting widely across the country on the matter to know the precise action to take and we are in Kaduna to consult with various human right activists/lawyers, labour leaders and other notable figures who will help to advance our case," the spokesman said.

The spokesman added that the bank has already thrown all their accounts into debit, suspended their visa cards as well as threatening them to immediately pay up any money owed it as a result of the upfront allowances paid them in January/February and that it (the bank) shall begin to apply the staff rate of 4% interest for 90 days, after which it shall begin to attract interest at Monetary Policy Rate.

The spokesman urged the government to put necessary measures in place to prohibit not only banks but other organizations from arbitrarily terminating their staff's appointment at the slightest economic challenge, pointing out that the ability to absorb economic shocks and manoeuvre is also a necessary aspect of organizational commitment.

When contacted, the Group Managing Director of Diamond Bank, Uzoma Dozie said "I cannot talk to you because I cannot verify who you are, but if you read their contract, you will know if they were to be paid remuneration or not."

http://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/business/400-disengaged-diamond-bank-staff-protest-non-payment-of-severance-pay/154738.html?platform=hootsuite

Lalasticlala, seun, mynd44 please send this to the front page. This wickedness must not go free. People very close to me have been affected, and it's too unfair.
Christianity Etc › Re: Is It Like Pastor Chris Is Kinda Breaking Off From Freemason Doctrine by Gombs(m): 5:23am On Jul 10, 2016
charlyxx9:
i was just opportuned to stumble on his recently released raphsody what i saw kinda amazed me cause we know false prophet can preach as an angel of light sometimes but there are things thought here which in freemason its is different ofcourse he is a mason don't ask me for prove except you need water proof.lol
Here are the crucial things mason doctrine entails that:
1)man is a god
2)salvation is by works not by jesus christ
3)There are other paths by which we are saved not by christ but nature like moon,sun e.g billy graham of USA preaches these doctrines exactly
4)We speak things into existence because we are god.more and more

but check out this raphsody release:
Rhapsody of Realities,
9th July 2016

Wherefore I put thee in
remembrance that thou
stir up the gift of God,
which is in thee by the
putting on of my hands.
For God hath not given us
the spirit of fear; but of
power, and of love, and of
a sound mind (2 Timothy
1:6-7).
There’re many in the world
who are yet to hear the
Gospel of Christ. In some
places, Christians are
attacked and killed, with
many forbidden to profess
Jesus openly. But none of
these is new. The apostles
faced similar persecutions,
but they remained
courageous until the end.
We must therefore be
courageous with the truth
in the days in which we live.
Courage is the ability and
the will to do what’s right or
necessary even in the face
of threats or adversity. It’s
the will and ability to stand
for what’s right in spite of
opposition. Therefore, be
courageous in affirming
your faith in Christ, no
matter who your
adversaries are.
Be courageous in giving life,
strength, and light to others.
Courage is what got the
Church of Jesus Christ to
where it is today. The
apostles and prophets of
old weren’t afraid of kings,
nobles and wicked dictators
who opposed the Gospel;
they sure weren’t afraid to
die. Fear is the biggest killer
in the world. Many people
die, not out of persecution,
but out of fear. Refuse to
fear!
There’re only two that have
a responsibility for your life,
whether you live or die: God
and you. If God doesn’t
sanction it, no one can kill
you. If you say no, then it
can’t happen, but if you let
fear in, then you become a
victim.
Therefore, be strengthened
with the strength of God;
refuse to fear any man,
systems or governments.
Affirm your faith in Jesus
Christ as the Lord of your
life, and be bold to preach
the Gospel without fear or
intimidation.
Confession;
The greater One lives in
me, and I’m sufficient in
His sufficiency. My life is hid
with Christ in God, and as I
go forth, fulfilling the will
of God, nothing shall by
any means hurt me. By the
power of the Spirit, I’m
hauling the souls of men
from darkness to light, and
from the power of Satan
unto God, in Jesus’ Name.
Amen.
1 Year Bible Reading Plan:
Acts 20:1-16; Job 19-21
2 Year Bible Reading Plan:
Galatians 2:3-12; Isaiah 29
Further Study: Judges 6:14
Luke 10:19; Acts 18:9-10

cc lalasticala,emperor4God,image123,
gombs,SirJohn,
bolaino,
highyo,MakeWeTalk pls front page
Here I am sir.

What's the problem?
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 5:20am On Jul 10, 2016
Quit The Struggle - Sunday, July 10

Pastor Chris

For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us (Romans 5:7-cool.

Some Christians struggle and work so hard to get God’s approval. They believe they have to “pay a price” to attain certain blessings or to get to certain heights in their lives, but it shouldn’t be that way. Some even have the notion that fasting and prayer is a form of price to be paid to attain some spiritual heights, but that isn’t right. Fasting and prayer are for devotional purposes.

If you’re planning on paying a price for the anointing or anything for which Jesus already died, then you don’t believe what Jesus already paid was enough. No more sacrifice is required for you to walk in, and manifest the glory of God. Therefore, quit the struggle.
What did David do for God to make him king of Israel? He did nothing; it was simply God’s choice. What did Abraham do for God to choose him and make him great? He did absolutely nothing; God just chose to bless him.

Moses said to the children of Israel, “God blessed you because he loved your fathers” (Deuteronomy 4:37). He didn’t say because your fathers “paid the price”; but because He loved Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
What did Joseph do for his father Jacob to love him and give him a coat of many colours? Nothing; it was his destiny. Solomon didn’t pay a price to be the wisest man that lived in his day; God just loved him. No wonder when he was born, he was named “Jedidiah,” the beloved of the Lord (2 Samuel 12:24-25).

The Bible talks about the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow (1 Peter 1:11). There’s no need to suffer and struggle to become who and what you already are; Jesus paid the price for you to live the transcendent life. The Bible says His divine power (not your hard work or toiling), has given you everything you need for life and for godliness (2 Peter 1:3). Therefore, live in His glory. Enjoy Christ and quit the struggle.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the life of rest that you’ve called me into. I function from a vantage position of rest without struggles, worries, or anxieties over anything. Jesus paid the price for all things; and now I live a life of glory, grace, favour, and increase, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Hebrews 4:10
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his.

1 Peter 1:10-11
Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace [that should come] unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Matthew 11:28-30
Come unto me, all [ye] that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke [is] easy, and my burden is light.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 20:17-38, Job 22-24

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Galatians 2:13-21,Isaiah 30
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 7:27am On Jul 09, 2016
Be Courageous With The Truth .
Saturday, July 9th .

Pastor Chris

Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands. For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind (2 Timothy 1:6-7).

There’re many in the world who are yet to hear the Gospel of Christ. In some places, Christians are attacked and killed, with many forbidden to profess Jesus openly. But none of these is new. The apostles faced similar persecutions, but they remained courageous until the end.

We must therefore be courageous with the truth in the days in which we live. Courage is the ability and the will to do what’s right or necessary even in the face of threats or adversity. It’s the will and ability to stand for what’s right in spite of opposition. Therefore, be courageous in affirming your faith in Christ, no matter who your adversaries are.
Be courageous in giving life, strength, and light to others. Courage is what got the Church of Jesus Christ to where it is today.

The apostles and prophets of old weren’t afraid of kings, nobles and wicked dictators who opposed the Gospel; they sure weren’t afraid to die. Fear is the biggest killer in the world. Many people die, not out of persecution, but out of fear. Refuse to fear!
There’re only two that have a responsibility for your life, whether you live or die: God and you. If God doesn’t sanction it, no one can kill you. If you say no, then it can’t happen, but if you let fear in, then you become a victim.

Therefore, be strengthened with the strength of God; refuse to fear any man, systems or governments. Affirm your faith in Jesus Christ as the Lord of your life, and be bold to preach the Gospel without fear or intimidation.

Confession...
The greater One lives in me, and I’m sufficient in His sufficiency. My life is hid with Christ in God, and as I go forth, fulfilling the will of God, nothing shall by any means hurt me. By the power of the Spirit, I’m hauling the souls of men from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

Judges 6:14
And the LORD looked upon him, and said, Go in this thy might, and thou shalt save Israel from the hand of the Midianites: have not I sent thee?

Luke 10:19
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

Acts 18:9-10
Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace: 10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 20:1-16, Job 19-21

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Galatians 2:3-12, Isaiah 29
Education › Re: What Really Is The Responsibility Of A Lesson Teacher As Against A Class Teacher by Gombs(m): 6:48am On Jul 09, 2016
Really most don't know what a lesson teacher is supposed to be doing ... Especially those corpers folks they keep hiring.

Growing up, my mum was my lesson teacher. God bless her forever. I remembered having issues with division and spellings... While my teacher made me cry for hours because I couldn't solve a particular math (she'd keep me from going out on breaks, girls can't relate to the horror grin, especially when Onyeka brought a football to school)

But mum will tell me it's alright, where don't you get it.... Ok, here's another way of doing it or here's another trick in doing it. I became a star in math in no time.

Most Lesson teachers today will teach exactly what was done in school, same way and most times confuse the students further. Some don't even know how to teach....especially corpers grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 7:51am On Jul 08, 2016
Jesus Is The Answer - Friday, July 8

Pastor Chris

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:12).

There’s no religion, no religious leader, no methods, or medium under heaven for man’s salvation, except by the Name of Jesus. As clear as this is in the Scriptures, there’re some who contend with it, stating that there’re many ways to God.

But this is the Word of God! There’s no other name under heaven, given to men for salvation, except the Name of Jesus. In John 14:6, Jesus said unequivocally, “…I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

There may be many that are called gods, but there’s only one God, and one mediator between God and men—the man, Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5). He’s the only One who reconciles men to God; the only One who bridges the gap, and makes friendship and peace between God and man. This should be your conviction, and enough motivation to preach the Gospel.

Romans 5:1-2 says, “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.” Man had no hope until Jesus came.

Man had been separated from God, and from His glory; there was no way for him to be reconciled. That’s the reason for all the religions of the world; they’re seeking a way to come back to God. But Christ is the answer. He made it possible for us to receive the God-life, ushering us into God’s presence.

As a Christian, you must be absolutely convinced that there’s no salvation in any other but Jesus. Be convinced that He’s the answer, the water of life to quench man’s thirst forever. He’s the only hope for the world. Man is doomed without Jesus; so let’s not act or pretend as though there’re alternatives. Jesus is the way—the ONLY way.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for your grace that’s manifested to save, heal, deliver, uplift and prosper all those who embrace the Gospel of Christ’s saving power today, as it’s preached around the world. Through renewed efforts, I’m committed to world evangelization, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

John 14:5-6
Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Romans 5:1-2
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: 2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Philippians 2:9-11
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; 11 And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 19:8-41, Job 15-18

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Galatians 1:18-2:1-2, Isaiah 28
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Is Not An Illusion by Gombs(op): 8:20pm On Jul 07, 2016
TrajansKong:
No, the point is that you believe in him.

Apparently more than you believe in Goat.

After all, who has more control over the dreams, desires, imagination and emotional lives of Nigerian Christians?

Who is the true master of your souls wink
Satan isn't an illusion. wink
Christianity Etc › Re: The Hypocrisy Of Olaadegbu by Gombs(op): 8:02pm On Jul 07, 2016
BethelD1:
Brothers and sisters in Christ , Christ is our Lord and saviour , not our GOs or Pastors . We however should pray for our priests and intercede on their behalf for the flame of God power to continue to burn bright in their lives .

All the men of God mentioned (Kumuyi, Adelaja, Joshua and Oyakhilome) all help to project the wonderful mesage of our Lord Christ all over the world.

Infact the men mentioned are the few positive light of honour and respect that shine out of Nigeria and indeed Africa .

Having said that they are humans , created by God for His glory and even allows them to have weaknesses so that people like you and me doesnt start worshiping them .

Job was a man of God totally and still had challenges ; David was annointed by God and was a fugitive for years .


The testimonies of David and Job at a time probably made people around them laugh at them (Bible confirmed same ) infact it was the dregs of the society that believed in the testimony of David whilst he was in the jungle fighting for his survival from the assault of Saul .

Job was mocked by family , in these days we will have probably said he used his children for occultic purposes!

Christ was recognised by the lowly placed men like fishermen etc , the intellegentsia could not just imagine God manifesting as a common carpenter!

The Lord Jehovah justified these afforementioned after it all .

Recently I saw Pastor Adelaja's commentary on Pastor Joshua on You Tube ; he more or less acknowleged the work of God in his ministry , meanwhile Pastor Kumuyi went to Adelaja's Church . And some us are in a fight about Pastor Chris and Joshua friendship!


I personally guess these men of God probably pray for one another's ministries and interact cordially behind the scenes .

They probably avoid open meetings because of us that see God in one and the devil in another!

I noticed that more recently the animosities between in the hierachy of Nigerian Christiandom has been toned down . This probably down to Boko Haram bombing and killing people and not sparing Kumuyis , Adelaja , Joshua or Oyakhilomes followers!
You know what brethren ? the haramites call all of them Christians! And righly so , they are all christians .

Our enemy is the devil /satan as described in the Bible and not your brother or sister who is propagating God Kingdom all over the world and rightly or wrongly you are priviledged to know some information about him and you judge him .

I hope I have not been offensive to any one ; if I did I apologise and I pray the Jehovah Almighty whom we all love and serve helps our understanding and gives more grace to us all to further see ourselves the way He sees us

Shalom
Thanks buddy.

Please I'm not comparing any two MOG, in fact I have never cast aspersions on any. Kumuiyi is a wonderful pastor, any day anytime... Same with other in their own way.

But olaadegbu, the holier than thou hypocrite won't let folks breath if you don't think like DLBC. grin

See him hanging on to straws, I'd prefer he stay that way, my point was to openly call him a hypocrite.

His hate for Oyakhilome got weird heights and I keep wondering. grin grin

Same guy said Christianity isn't about miracles, but holiness and salvation, yet he wallowed all over a thread like a pig who just spotted a mud pool, celebrating miracles because Kumuiyi was involved. grin grin

Now see him trying to to shift goal posts. He's claiming someone said Chris Oyakhilome can't sin. Do you remember the wedding 'scandal' of Kumuiyi 's son? Oh dear! Come and see Olaadegbu's defense. As far as he's concerned, Christianity outside what he knows isn't the "real deal". grin

Now, since Sunday Adelaja was accused of adultery with like 20 women, Olaadegbu didn't rush here to create a thread calling him what he'd like, why? Because Kumuiyi visited that church? How come Kumuiyi is still a true man of God and Chris Oyakhilome isn't, since they both visited churches of 'controversial pastors'?

Funny olaadegbu grin

As for the bold, hmm Ola would have a heart attack o. So, Sunday Adelaja commended TB Joshua? Same Sunday Adelaja that Kumuiyi visited his church? Kumuiyi must then have no Issues with TB Joshua? Hahahahahahah, yet Ola has said trash about Chris Oyakhilome just because he visited TB Joshua who Ola thinks is a false prophet. cheesy
Christianity Etc › Re: The Hypocrisy Of Olaadegbu by Gombs(op): 7:41pm On Jul 07, 2016
lepasharon:
Y'all can't even agree on one single Christian doctrine and expect outsiders to take you seriously. Joke
Hun, I think you're on the wrong thread. smiley
Christianity Etc › Re: The Hypocrisy Of Olaadegbu by Gombs(op): 2:22pm On Jul 07, 2016
OLAADEGBU:
Am still waiting to see how many people share your delusions before I begin to know what to say about these accusations. cheesy
When I wrote this, I didn't think about how many people will lend me solidarity, no Ola, I had you in mind squarely. I did this for posterity, whether you write anything or not, the threads are out there waiting.

Delusions or not, your hypocrisy deserves an award, I just needed you to know! You can keep on waiting for the crowd.

Cheers
Christianity Etc › Re: The Hypocrisy Of Olaadegbu by Gombs(op): 2:12pm On Jul 07, 2016
jayriginal:
Gombs, wasn't infidelity one of the grounds of divorce in the Oyakhilome's marriage?

Correct me if I'm wrong.
You, my dear, are very wrong.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Hypocrisy Of Olaadegbu by Gombs(op): 12:45pm On Jul 07, 2016
OLAADEGBU:
You made me laugh in Swahili. grin grin grin
Not as much as you've made me laugh in the last few months. grin
Christianity Etc › The Hypocrisy Of Olaadegbu by Gombs(op): 12:32pm On Jul 07, 2016
Hypocrisy is the moral self-contradiction whereby the behavior of one or more people belies their own claimed or implied possession of certain beliefs, standards or virtues.

I have an online personality who the above definition suits almost perfectly. He's a regular here, and an 'elder' in the religion section having being here for a longer period than many. He's of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry, and a core believer of their values. He has the my-church-is-holier-than-yours mentality, but he's seems to be a great guy.

Many years ago, Pastor Chris Oyakhilome visited Prophet T. B. Joshua, and many went agog, saying a lot of stories about it. Olaadegbu was one of such who accused Chris Oyakhilome of being a false preacher, and sighted some hilarious reasons as his basis of accusation. There are a plethora of threads to prove this, most were swept with nairaland tsunami few years ago, but here's one.

https://www.nairaland.com/1893751/10-terrible-scandals-pastor-oyakhilome#26133778

Pastor Chris Oyakhilome was labelled false because he visited another man of God, T. B. Joshua.

Fast forward years on, Pastor Kumuiyi the GS of DLBC, Olaadegbu 's church traveled to Ukraine to minister at Pastor Sunday Adelaja's Church. Olaadegbu couldn't keep the joy down, he was all over nairaland like white on rice.

Sunday Adelaja's church was one of the largest in Europe, with an outstanding followership. Olaadegbu posted a video, he talked about the miracles and testimonies. Boy! Olaadegbu was excited. He cheered on the miracles he earlier slandered Oyakhilome for, both of the visit to T. B Joshua's church and the Healing school.

Of one of the threads he spoke about the visit he IMPLIED that anyone associated to T B Joshua was not of God, and Pastor Chris' visit was just a confirmation of his ineligibility of being a man of God.

Here's the thread where he was excited like a fly that just spotted a heap of poo.

https://www.nairaland.com/647876/pastor-w.f-kumuyi-god-embassys

Few weeks ago, same pastor Sunday Adelaja was in the news for many wrong reasons, adultery, mismanagement of church funds etc. (Now, I'm not saying he's guilty of any of the accusations), and yesterday, I read he's been declared a persona non grata in Russia, and also He's back to Nigeria. Olaadegbu suddenly went missing.

Let's take a little digression. When pastor Chris was accused of adultery by the media (His wife never accused him of such ) Ola was one of the many who seemed orgasmic about the news, in fact he created a thread and named it "10 Terrible Scandals Of Pastor Oyakhilome, As Wife Claims Adultery". He's yet to create another thread on Pastor Sunday Adelaja.

Now, if by the reasoning of Olaadegbu, that Pastor Chris Oyakhilome was not a 'true man of God', merely because he visited TB Joshua's church, should we now say same of Kumuiyi?

Has olaadegbu not read the news? Why's he suddenly weary of creating a thread? Just as he celebrated miracles in Pastor Sunday Adelaja's Church when Kumuiyi visited, why was Pastor Chris' visit then a problem?


Is olaadegbu plainly a hypocritical or was it just a clear case of calling a dog a bad name just so that you'd hang it?

What makes Kumuiyi's visit sooooooo different from Chris' to other church?

If Pastor Chris' association with TB Joshua (a man who was accused of being an agent of the devil) earned him widespread criticism even from Ola, should Kumuiyi's association with Adelaja be seen in same negative light?

NB:
I'm NOT accusing any pastor of crimes they're accused of, I pray for Pastor Sunday, I'll always do. I'm however asking if Ola's hypocrisy isn't nauseating?

Cheers
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 8:29am On Jul 07, 2016
Acknowledge That You’re Special - Thursday, July 7

Pastor Chris

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it (Matthew 13:45-46).

There’re people who like to tell us that we’re not very special. Even sometimes in the church, there’re those who, when they’re called to give a testimony, would say, “God did such-and-such for me, not because I’m special.” But you’re special. People make such statements out of ignorance, and a seeming show of humility. You’re peculiar.

You’re special to God. You’re His pearl of inestimable value. It’s not pride to acknowledge and affirm that you’re special.
Remember, God gave birth to you. James 1:18 says, “Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.” It’s absolutely impossible for God to give birth to “nonentities” or “unworthy servants” that some Christians unwittingly arrogate to themselves, because He reproduces after His own kind. You’re the crown of God’s creation, the best of all that He made.

Our opening Scripture says the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant seeking goodly pearls, who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought the pearl. You’re that pearl of great price, and that makes you special before God. So, don’t look down on yourself; you’re worth the blood of Jesus.

1 Peter 2:9 AMP says, “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a dedicated nation, [God’s] own purchased special people, that you may set forth the wonderful deeds and display the virtues and perfections of Him Who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.” A clear understanding of who you are, what He’s made you, and your inheritance in Christ will boost your confidence and faith in Him, and your opinion and perception of yourself.
Be bold to affirm who you are in Christ.

You’re God’s special possession; His anointed one, called by His Name, and made in His image and likeness. Be conscious of your real personality; you’re royalty, a peculiar treasure, a king-priest unto God, appointed to reign and rule in the earth. You’re special; acknowledge it, and walk in that consciousness.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for who you made me in Christ: a pearl of great price and inestimable value. I walk, conscious of who I am, as I manifest your virtues, excellence, and wisdom to my world, taking my place as a king-priest, and making manifest the character of the Spirit, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

Exodus 19:5-6
Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth [is] mine: 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Luke 12:7
But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 18:24-19:1-7, Job 12-14

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Galatians 1:10-17,
Isaiah 27
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Is Not An Illusion by Gombs(op): 8:24am On Jul 07, 2016
Amberon:
There goes the one who doesn't believe in fallen angels. You are double faceted.
grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Is Not An Illusion by Gombs(op): 9:40pm On Jul 06, 2016
TrajansKong:
I wish you were right. Truth is, our bible-believing, demon-plagued populations must be the accursed of the Earth. We suffer from more sickness, death, and spiritual terror than non-spooked peoples.

The white mans God is unconcerned with you.
That's another day's discussion. The point here is, SATAN ISN'T AN ILLUSION. wink
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Is Not An Illusion by Gombs(op): 7:01pm On Jul 06, 2016
TrajansKong:
Yet you and the rest of our satan-believing African Christians so clearly have NONE of these victories.

Not.

One.
You wish.
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Is Not An Illusion by Gombs(op): 6:18pm On Jul 06, 2016
^^
Point is, Satan isn't an illusion. Whatever story you have is for another day's discussion.
Christianity Etc › Re: Satan Is Not An Illusion by Gombs(op): 10:41am On Jul 06, 2016
uvalued:
but he fell from grace and became the devil: what caused him to fall from GRACE!
Gombs:

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18).

It's unfortunate that some people don't believe there's an adversary called Satan, the devil. Some people don't even want to talk about him; they say, "There's no devil", trying hard to convince themselves in their delusion. Jesus didn't deny the existence of Satan, though He emphasized his defeat and our triumph over him.

Satan is real; he's a spirit being. He's not an illusion as some believe; he's a personality; an evil personality. He was an angel, according to the Bible, but he fell from grace and became the devil.


God didn't create a devil. He made an angel called Lucifer, son of the morning. [size=18pt]However, through pride, he lost his position, [/size] was overthrown, and became the devil. So, Satan does exist;
the Bible says he moves from one place to another: "And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" (Job 1:7).

Although he has his demons running rampage all over the place, Satan isn't everywhere at the same time; he's not omnipresent, and doesn't know everything. To counter him, the Bible says you're to resist him steadfastly in the faith (1 Peter 5:8-9). That's how you keep him on the run (James 4:7). As long as you operate in faith, Satan cannot withstand you; you're superior to him.

When Jesus defeated Satan in hell, you were in Him. In Christ, you defeated Satan and his cohorts of hell. Now, you're seated with Christ in the heavenly realms, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come (Ephesians 1:21). So, Satan is under your feet. Though he's not an illusion, he's not a factor in your life.

Confession.
Thank you Father, for I know that the devil and the cohorts of hell have been defeated, paralyzed, and rendered completely powerless. I have been given the authority and made superior to them in Christ! Now, I walk in my victory over Satan, sin, sickness, disease and death! Blessed be God!
Remember, He resists the proud and GIVES MORE GRACE to the humble.
Christianity Etc › Satan Is Not An Illusion by Gombs(op): 8:15am On Jul 06, 2016

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18).


It's unfortunate that some people don't believe there's an adversary called Satan, the devil. Some people don't even want to talk about him; they say, "There's no devil", trying hard to convince themselves in their delusion. Jesus didn't deny the existence of Satan, though He emphasized his defeat and our triumph over him.

Satan is real; he's a spirit being. He's not an illusion as some believe; he's a personality; an evil personality. He was an angel, according to the Bible, but he fell from grace and became the devil.


God didn't create a devil. He made an angel called Lucifer, son of the morning. However, through pride, he lost his position, was overthrown, and became the devil. So, Satan does exist;
the Bible says he moves from one place to another: "And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" (Job 1:7).

Although he has his demons running rampage all over the place, Satan isn't everywhere at the same time; he's not omnipresent, and doesn't know everything. To counter him, the Bible says you're to resist him steadfastly in the faith (1 Peter 5:8-9). That's how you keep him on the run (James 4:7). As long as you operate in faith, Satan cannot withstand you; you're superior to him.

When Jesus defeated Satan in hell, you were in Him. In Christ, you defeated Satan and his cohorts of hell. Now, you're seated with Christ in the heavenly realms, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come (Ephesians 1:21). So, Satan is under your feet. Though he's not an illusion, he's not a factor in your life.


Confession.
Thank you Father, for I know that the devil and the cohorts of hell have been defeated, paralyzed, and rendered completely powerless. I have been given the authority and made superior to them in Christ! Now, I walk in my victory over Satan, sin, sickness, disease and death! Blessed be God!
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 8:08am On Jul 06, 2016
Call To Divine Fellowship - Wednesday, July 6.

Pastor Chris

That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ (1 John 1:3).

The highest and most important purpose of Christ in the plan of redemption or salvation is the call to fellowship. The reason Jesus died for our sins is because fellowship with God wasn’t possible, until man was saved from sin and its consequences. So, salvation from sin was a means to a higher purpose, which is fellowship.

Fellowship is a call to oneness; it includes participation, partnership, association, communication, contribution, communion, and intimacy. Can you imagine that God calls us into such a fellowship, where everything He owns belongs to us, as much as it does Him? Is that a possibility? Emphatically yes!

That’s what Christianity is about; we’re in fellowship with the Father, and with His Son, Jesus Christ. This is the most sublime of all the blessings in Christianity—our inextricable oneness with the Lord. The prayer of Jesus in John 17:20-21, where He said, “…That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us...” is fulfilled in us today. We’ve become one with divinity. We’re in Him, and He’s in us.

Through the Spirit, you’ve been immersed into Christ, literallyee joined with Him as one divine creation. You ought to enjoy that fellowship every day; it’s not something you go into and come out of, for you’re in Him, and He’s in you. 2 Corinthians 5:17 says, “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation….” Colossians 1:27 says, “…Christ in you, the hope of glory.” So, just like Jesus, you’re in Him, and He’s in you.
No wonder He says greater is He that’s in you than he that’s in the world (1 John 4:4). The consciousness of this truth will change your life forever, and give you a unique mind-set, where you walk in victory and dominion in everything and everywhere. Hallelujah!

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the awesome privilege of being in union with you, and the bliss of fellowship with your Spirit. I’m lifted and transported by the Holy Ghost into the glorious and higher realms of life, where I only see and relate with the realities of your Kingdom, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

1 Corinthians 1:9
God [is] faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.

1 Corinthians 6:17
But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

2 Corinthians 13:4
For though he was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 18:1-23, Job 9-11

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Galatians 1:1-9, Isaiah 26
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by Gombs(m): 8:07am On Jul 06, 2016
Image123:
Have a great day sir is not a waste, i need it.lol.
grin grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by Gombs(m): 5:43pm On Jul 05, 2016
Image123:
Thinking hardly helps progress in spiritual matters. thinking makes many an atheist. When your understanding of God is based MORE on thinking, you will not get it. fact.
Thanks for your time. I never thought you'd want to face your theological blunder head on.


Have a great day sir!
Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by Gombs(m):
Goshen360:
Yes! He or she remain saved. The GIFTS and CALLING of God are irreversible/irrevocable.

2. The verse you quoted has nothing to do with being saved now, because the same corinthians ARE ALREADY SAVED but was wallowing in sin because of their background and environment.

3. The only thing that can make a christian loose his or her salvation is by denouncing the one he or she is in, that is THE LORD.

4. Sins doesn't UNBORN AGAIN a Christian. Sin and sacrifice for sins had been dealt with and paid once and for all times. When Christ returns, he's not returning to come deal with sins or sacrifice for sins no more....SAYS THE WORD OF GOD.

5. Ask yourself, does every sin or sins you committed but didn't even know it was a sin UNBORN AGAIN you?

6. Paul, didn't pamper the sins of the corinthians and we are not supposed to pamper sins in the church of Christ but Paul NEVER implied the Corinthians loose their salvation because of sin and later regained it back, rather he was hard on them and they REPENTED....that's what the verse you quoted is talking about.

7. The word "save, salvation, saved" are used to mean different meaning within its context. You cannot just lift bible verse from its context just because it mentioned save, saved or salvation, you have to follow the contextual meaning. That's one of the damages or error Image123 committed in his first response.
Standing ovation.


Wonderful piece!

I'm thinking, what kind of father will disown his child because he stole sweets, and then reclaim him after the child has apologized, and keeps doing so, for how long?

Knowing fully well that the Bible said foolishness abounds in the heart of a child.

The Corinthians and galatians were never said to have lost their salvation despite their shortfalls, for the ONLY WAY one can loose their salvation is the same way he got it - with his confession of mouth, denouncing the lordship of Christ.

Some folks here are sounding like God's waiting to catch us do wrong, then he'd keep record of it, waiting for pay back time.

Brethren, God has settled the issue of sin in Jesus, since... And He has no issue with fixing it. Why He doesn't want us to sin is because we'd expose ourselves to the working of devils. He so loves us and wouldn't want the devil to have party time with us (kill, steal and destroy) , but we regardless sometimes fall off. That never means he revokes our SONSHIP, meaning we'd loose our very righteous nature given us by Jesus, pending when we ask for forgiveness. That doesn't make sense at all.

The issue of sin is between the one who commits the sin, his conscience and the devil. God isn't bothered about sin, His laws and justice will however not be compromised.
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:38am On Jul 05, 2016
The World Is Yours - Tuesday, July 5

Pastor Chris

Therefore, let no man glory in men. For all things are yours (1 Corinthians 3:21).
Being born again, there’s a high calling upon your life. Therefore, refuse to allow your virtual circumstances make you think differently. Jesus said you’re not of this world (John 15:19). He chose you out of the masses; out of the world; you’re of a different breed. You’re an heir of God, and a joint heir with Christ, which simply means, you own the world.

The Bible says, “The earth is the Lord’s, and the fullness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein” (Psalm 24:1). However, God willed the whole world to Abraham through the covenant He made with him and his seed. Galatians 3:16 says, “…to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.”

Therefore, God was looking beyond Abraham’s physical descendant; He was looking at Christ. Galatians 3:29 says, “…if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.” We’re the seed of Abraham and, by extension, the possessors of all things.

All the promises God made to Abraham, by which he became the possessor of all things are fulfilled in us! As a result, the Bible says, “Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours; Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world…all are yours” (1 Corinthians 3:21-22).

Some people may be fighting over lands and estates; but we own the world and we have proof. If there’s anyone to tell who truly owns this world it ought to be God, for He made the world, and appointed Jesus to be the heir of all things (Hebrews 1:2). And He has said we’re joint-heirs with Him. Hallelujah!

Thus, as a child of God, it’s not a mere boast but absolute reality when you say, “The whole world is mine!” And this world that belongs to you, according to the Bible, is full of the goodness of the Lord for you to enjoy (Psalm 33:5).

Confession...
I’m a joint-heir with Christ and the seed of Abraham; the world belongs to me. I don’t lack any good thing, because I’m an heir of God, and a joint-heir with Christ. I lay up gold as dust, living in God’s superabundance, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Psalm 33:5 He loveth righteousness and judgment: the earth is full of the goodness of the LORD.

John 10:10 AMP
The thief comes only in order to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have and enjoy life, and have it in abundance (to the full, till it overflows).

Galatians 3:29
And if you belong to Christ [are in Him Who is Abraham's Seed], then you are Abraham's offspring and [spiritual] heirs according to promise.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 17:16-34, Job 6-8

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Corinthians 13:7-14, Isaiah 25
Christianity Etc › Re: Rhapsody Of Realities: A Daily Devotional by Gombs(m): 6:15am On Jul 04, 2016
Let Nothing Limit You - Monday, July 4

Pastor Chris

Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life (2 Corinthians 3:5-6).

As a Christian, your life is preordained by God; predestination is at work in you. Nothing happens to you by chance, neither is your life by chance. You’re responsible for the outcome of your life. He gave you authority in His Name.

This lets you know that nothing can limit you. Your age, the economy of the nation where you live, the colour of your skin, your family, educational and financial background, shouldn’t be a limitation. Nothing and no one can place a limit on you. This is God’s blessing for every one of His children, and He gave you the Holy Spirit, to be your sufficiency. With Him, you can be anything, do anything, go anywhere, and be all that God destined you to be.

You don’t have to struggle to be a success, because you function with His ability and wisdom. He’s your wisdom (1 Corinthians 1:30). What you have to understand is how to walk with Him, and function in His wisdom, beyond your human ability. God’s wisdom in you is a force that causes you to walk in His perfect will all the time, and be successful in all that you do.

Let nothing limit you. Acknowledge the Holy Spirit as your secret of success. He’s the One at work in you, and He’s an unlimited personality, with unlimited powers, abilities, and potentials. He’s the limit breaker. Recognize His work and ministry in you. That consciousness will produce a divine force that propels you to success and victory continually.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the presence of the Holy Spirit in my life, who leads me always in the path of glory and triumph. With Him, I can do all things! He’s my competence, wisdom, and ability. I reign in life by Him, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

Further Study:

2 Corinthians 12:9-10
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

2 Corinthians 3:5 AMP
Not that we are fit (qualified and sufficient in ability) of ourselves to form personal judgments or to claim or count anything as coming from us, but our power and ability and sufficiency are from God.

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 17:1-15, Job 3-5

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: 2 Corinthians 13:1-6, Isaiah 23-24

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