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Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 11:43am On Dec 30, 2018
terzurum:
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If you have RELATIONSHIP WITH JESUS the Holy Spirit will guide you. Do you know gultony is a sin? So it is studying your Bible and acting accordingly
There's no way you will have relationship with Jesus without the word. We grow by reading and meditating on his word. I am not limiting the power of the Holy spirit but the Bible which is the compass that guides every Christian should be able to guide us in every aspect of life.
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 11:17am On Dec 30, 2018
Adakintroy:


No thanks I don't think I ever want to be. Many gamblers are debtors cronic ones..don't arguments for it. Overall there are more looser than they will be winners. Far far more.
You are right. Out of the loosers comes their gain.

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Travel / Re: ₦38,000 Per Night Guest House With 77 Lions In South Africa(Photos) by gr8tone: 11:01am On Dec 30, 2018
hahn:


One day sha those lions will feast a human on that grill grin

But forget that is definitely a trip I will go on next year with my family. Maybe I will finally be able to taste lion meat
lol, count the gain first.
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 11:00am On Dec 30, 2018
Adakintroy:


Good question.

In this world there are right parts that have been chosen. Make no mistake, before all the other parts were discarded with, they were too considered. Gambling like I said key into that part of our conciousenes that seek Intant wealth and there are no perfection with it.

With business it start from learning gradually falling in love, then comes perfection. With perfection comes appreciation of craft. In form of payment. If I learn to cook, with time my cooking gets perfected people patronize me and I make money from this perfection.

When this occurs I can sleep. If you wake me from my sleep to cook, u can do so. At sme point it's a subconciouse effeort. Although I may be very much submerge in cooking, my heart may not be dragged from God. Because I can be singing and praising God at the same time. Why? I have reach perfection. Which s more or less my body acting even without my mind concerntrating sought off.

But with gambling, the odds are not in you favor like that so to speak. Nothing is withing your control. You never reach a point you are fully charge. Plus you heart can never be at rest. Weather you are into sport betting or casino. You are not in charge. This is why the sporting companies are increasing by their numbers.

With respect to your business analogy, you are working in reverse, the business man only take calculated risk. He wins more than he loose overall. I can't say the same for a gambler.
You can never be an expert in betting too. Thanks so much. I gained a lot
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 10:50am On Dec 30, 2018
tallfish145:
Dear Brother / Sister,

Gambling means to give or take money or goods depending on something that is not known how it will end. No matter what the name is, any game or bet that has this property and that is played in return for money or goods is called gambling. The word "maysir" mentioned in the Quran is derived from the word "yusr", which means ease, which indicates that money or goods are obtained or lost easily in gambling.

Gambling is a way of obtaining undeserved money which makes man forget his Creator, prevents him from performing prayers, leads him to laziness, eliminates his strength to work and causes grudge and enmity among people. All kinds of gambling, which causes irreparable wounds in individual and social life, are haram in the religion of Islam.

The following is stated in the Quran regarding the issue:

"O ye who believe! Eat not up your property among yourselves in vanities" (al-Baqara, 2/188; an-Nisa, 4/29).

"O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination― of Satan's handiwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper. Satan's plan is (but) to excite enmity and hatred between you, with intoxicants and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah, and from prayer (al-Maida, 5/90, 91; Ibn Abidin Raddu'l Mukhtar, İstanbul 1307, V, p. 355; Hamdi Yazır, Hak Dini Kur'an Dini, İstanbul 1960, II, p. 766).

Gambling and its harms:

There is no difference between alcohol and gambling in terms of being forbidden and being a sin. Allah renders them haram in the same verse:

" O ye who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, (dedication of) stones, and (divination by) arrows, are an abomination― of Satan's handiwork: eschew such (abomination), that ye may prosper." (al-Maida, 5/90).

All kinds of games of chance that cause benefit or harm are regarded as gambling. Gambling means to get a person's money or goods unjustly and to steal one's money or goods deliberately. Gambling is a social disaster. It is always seen that this destructive evil prohibited strictly by the religion of Islam destroys many families. Those who gamble around a table until morning due to the excitement caused by greed and ambition lose their health, wealth, ethics and money; they lose their human feeling. Those who win today lose some other day.

Wives, children and the poor have the right on the money lost at gambling. The money obtained by gambling is not legitimate.

As gambling becomes widespread, social harms will increase. Working is replaced by laziness. The productivity in business life decreases. Gambling brings along evil deeds like alcohol, telling lies, greed, grudge, revenge and murder.

Gambling also causes disorders, disagreements and neglects in family life. There are many people who sell their religion, honor and country due to gambling and who tread on all kinds of sacred values.

Gambling becomes an addiction in a very short time like alcohol. It is very difficult to get rid of it. Therefore, gambling and alcohol are very dangerous habits.

All kinds of games of chance in which you win or lose money like dice, card games, lottery, football pools, lotto, betting and sweepstakes are regarded as gambling.

All games of chance are played to enjoy and to spend time at first. As man wins, he plays for the sake of the pleasure and ambition of winning. As he loses, he plays in order to get back what he has lost. Then, he becomes a gambler. It should not be forgotten that those who lose everything at gambling tables, who sell whatever they have and live in debauchery and poverty, who destroy their wives and children start gambling as a means of pleasure and entertainment at first.

It is an important duty to keep away from gambling as well as protecting the people around us especially our family members from gambling. The duty of protecting family members from harmful and evil things and educating them for a lifestyle that Allah and His Messenger want is given to the head of the family by the Quran:

" O ye who believe! save yourselves and your families from a Fire whose fuel is Men and Stones, over which are (appointed) angels stern (and) severe who flinch not (from executing) the Commands they receive from Allah, but do (precisely) what they are commanded " (at-Tahrim, 66/6).

If games like backgammon, chess, checkers, cards, tennis, and billiards are played with the intention of gambling by risking money, they are also regarded as gambling.

There are various hadiths of Hz. Prophet that prohibit backgammon: "A person who plays backgammon is regarded to have disobeyed Allah and His Messenger ." (Abu Dawud, Adab, 56; Ibn Majah, Adab, 43; Malik, Muwatta', 6; Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, IV, 394, 397, 400). "The state of a person who plays backgammon and then performs prayers is like the state of a person who makes wudu with pus and the blood of pig and then performs prayers." (Ahmad b. Hanbal, V, 370).

Acting upon the general prohibition of backgammon in these hadiths, most of the scholars of Islam say that playing backgammon is not permissible. Ibn al-Musayyab and some other Islamic scholars hold the view that it is not haram to play backgammon if the intention is not gambling. Cards and dominoes are regarded as the same as backgammon.

The game of chess, which is called "shatranj" in Arabic, appeared during the period of the Companions after the death of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh); therefore, there is no hadith of the Prophet regarding chess. The Companions and Tabiun scholars stated three views about chess:

According to the Companions and Tabiun scholars like Abdullah b. Abbas, Abu Hurayra, Ibn Shirin, Hisham b. Urwa, Said b. al-Musayyab, Said b. al-Jubayr, it is permissible to play chess.

According to Imam Shafii, chess is makruh tanzihi; according to Abu Hanifa, Malik and Ahmad b. Hanbal, it is haram.

Considering that chess is more like a game of intelligence and a brain sport rather than a game of chance and that there is no definite prohibition about it, this conclusion is made. However, it is understood that the Companions liken it to backgammon. As a matter of fact, the following is narrated from Abdullah b. Umar: "Chess is worse than backgammon." It is stated that Hz Ali regards it as gambling. (Ibn Kathir, Tafsiru'l-Qur'ani'l-Azim, İstanbul 1985, III, 170). On the other hand, it is reported that Yahya b. Sad heard the following from Imam Malik: "There is no good in chess; it is makruh to play chess and other games of chance." Imam Malik was reading the following verse while uttering that sentence: "…Apart from Truth, what (remains) but error? "(Yunus, 10/32; see Malik, Muwatta, Ru'ya, 7).

Checkers is a game like chess. In the games of tennis and billiards, sport is prevalent. They need to be permissible unless some illegitimate elements are added to them.

In conclusion, four conditions are laid as necessary for the games that are played only for relaxation, entertainment and pleasure without the purpose of gambling to be religiously permissible:

a. They must not make people miss or delay fard prayers.

b. People must not expect any material benefits.

c. Players must abstain from uttering bad and unnecessary words during the game.

d. People must not waste their time by playing so much that cannot be regarded as relaxation and entertainment.
Thanks for imputing the Islamic perspective in this. Though I am Christian but I really enjoy reading your comment. Sir if betting is regarded as a sin what would you say of a business? Sport betting depends on predicting possible outcome likewise business. Last year 2017, a business man bought about a hundred bags of ginger at the rate of 20k each but as the year runs out, he ended up selling each bag at the rate of 9k each. How has this man sin by predicting a business outcome?
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 10:39am On Dec 30, 2018
kenlinzo:
Do u need the pastors approval to know if its a sin or not? Read ur bible and decide for urself if its a sin or not. If I may ask, has pastors preached against drinking alcohol, fornication, sex before marriage etc....does it stop u from doing it?
I have been reading my bible sir but which part have you discovered that condamns betting? I need that portion to be enlighten please. The other things you mentioned are not my problem because they are not my priority.
Travel / Re: ₦38,000 Per Night Guest House With 77 Lions In South Africa(Photos) by gr8tone: 10:36am On Dec 30, 2018
hahn:


In the case of fuel scarcity nko?
then they would have known that their generator does not have fuel so they wouldn't allow anyone in. There must be some good arrangements in place including emergency cases.
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 10:33am On Dec 30, 2018
Adakintroy:
You cannot understand this thing by the sense. Everything has been rationalise on so it has been more or less covered from preying spiritual eyes. Plus many of us are now partakers or "cariers" so we have a subconscious obligation to defend. We all posses a sense of righteousness as to why we do what we do. It's what maybe gives us that strong sense of justification to carry on.

But if we are to be spiritual, we must first be natural, starting with what we see. ( the invisible things from creation were made know by the visible things )

So what can you see?. Your scores sites. Many of you have been looking at your score sites but I bet not many of you have ever notice that " gambling responsibility pages. Yes! Gambling responsible is a first step in trying to reduce our speed in this area. It ensure all the tips in ensure that we employ little reason when you engage in gambling. Look it up yourself.

But best way to win with gambling is to stop gamblng. Nothing wrong with it. Just a little bet with little money you can spare won't wrench the heart and won't give you sleepless night. But the problem is its a adictive nature. The more you participate the more get addicted.

This is were sin lye. Sin is anything that cause your heart to be stress, you may find yourself caring more for it than for important things around you. Even your love ones. It can lead you to stealing and you may lack forcuse. Finding it hard to commute money to other important things. Like any addiction, you must satisfy it, before you can concentrate on anything else.

So please let's not be fooled gambling games is a sin, it drags our mind from God, anything that drags your spirit from God is not from God
It cause us to suspend important things around us. It does not agrees with nature. Nature does not support instant success. Everything in nature starts from small and grow to big. If you are trying to make success instantly, you are not borrowing from nature. Plus it's a big sign of impatience. That is consistent with this generation.





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I love your submission especially that portion where you mentioned that it drag our minds away from God. Sir, don't you think even business can drag one away from God? I am using business because I regard it as a form of betting in a way. Betting depends on predicting possible outcomes likewise business. Last year, a business man bought over a hundred bags of ginger at the rate of 20k each, but he ended up selling each bag at rate of 9k each. How does he sin by predicting a positive prospect for the price of ginger?

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Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 10:19am On Dec 30, 2018
Wordson:
... My brother, I cant convince u.. But if its ok with u continue but I believe u feel somewhat uneasy with it dats why u are here asking questions..
Yes, why I feel uneasy is because most at times when a better says "let's pray for Chelsea to win" some people would say you are bringing God into betting? Don't you know it's a sin? If really it's a sin, I am ever ready to let it go.
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 10:13am On Dec 30, 2018
Abdelux223:
Bet is a sin, it decreases your wealth, but you don't even know it, if you realise how much you have lose to how much you have gain, you will abstain from it totally, it's like you are dashing your hard earned cash to apo agbana (bag of losses)
How does losing money in betting becomes a sin? What would you say of a business man who bought about a hundred bags of ginger last year at the rate of 20k each and later sold each as low as 9k? Did he sin by predicting high price of ginger?

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Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 10:08am On Dec 30, 2018
merits:

They are yet to realise that,foolish people.
It's a democratic world. Because you don't do what others are doing then they are termed fools? You could be foolish also in their sight because you probably do what they don't do to.
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 10:03am On Dec 30, 2018
devilmaycry:
Gambling is a sin....same applies to bet
please, substantiate your claim with biblical references please. I earnestly want to know
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:58am On Dec 30, 2018
Toks2008:


You may call it a bad habit but definitely not a sin.
Bad habit? You think so? Your opinion though
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:57am On Dec 30, 2018
post=74289094:
The Bible does not specifically condemn gambling, betting, or the lottery. The Bible does warn us, however, to stay away from the love of money (1 Timothy 6:10; Hebrews 13:5). Scripture also encourages us to stay away from attempts to “get rich quick” (Proverbs 13:11; 23:5; Ecclesiastes 5:10). Gambling most definitely is focused on the love of money and undeniably tempts people with the promise of quick and easy riches.

What is wrong with gambling? Gambling is a difficult issue because if it is done in moderation and only on occasion, it is a waste of money, but it is not necessarily evil. People waste money on all sorts of activities. Gambling is no more or less of a waste of money than seeing a movie (in many cases), eating an unnecessarily expensive meal, or purchasing a worthless item. At the same time, the fact that money is wasted on other things does not justify gambling. Money should not be wasted. Excess money should be saved for future needs or given to the Lord's work, not gambled away.

Can lotto/lottery proceeds please God? Many people claim to be playing the lottery or gambling so that they can give the money to the church or to some other good cause. While this may be a good motive, reality is that few use gambling winnings for godly purposes. Studies show that the vast majority of lottery winners are in an even worse financial situation a few years after winning a jackpot than they were before. Few, if any, truly give the money to a good cause. Further, God does not need our money to fund His mission in the world. Proverbs 13:11 says, “Dishonest money dwindles away, but he who gathers money little by little makes it grow.” God is sovereign and will provide for the needs of the church through honest means. Would God be honored by receiving donated drug money or money stolen in a bank robbery? Of course not. Neither does God need or want money that was “stolen” from the poor in the temptation for riches.
unbiased submission. Thanks
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:53am On Dec 30, 2018
Btruth:
Figure of speech. I meant the day FOREX turns to sin, then sport betting will be.

Because they are both an investment.
Lol, I got you
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:52am On Dec 30, 2018
Psainte20:
Proverbs 13:11New Living Translation (NLT)
11 Wealth from get-rich-quick schemes quickly disappears;
wealth from hard work grows over time.
Like it or not sport betting is a get rich quick scheme
From NIV it says " dishonest money dwendles away..." is money from betting dishonest money? Even if i will take it from the perspective of the NLT, does that makes betting a sin?

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Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:46am On Dec 30, 2018
Vision2045:
Sport betting is a business source but highly risky ....its pure financial wisdom to invest only what you can afford to lose.

Reason why it becomes a bad venture is that most users invest so much and have high expectations, and when they lose they go extreme to find another capital to invest.

Sport betting requires strategy that fits each individual pockets...you don't have to play it every weekend or everyday..u can play it when all situation puts a team under pressure to win at all cost..

I have more to say..but I will put hand to rest.

Meanwhile ...I made close to N800,000 this year from several winnings..some times I stake on just two teams that are in a must win situations.
You must be a responsible bettor. I love your submission.

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Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:43am On Dec 30, 2018
Btruth:
..... If FOREX is a sin, then sport betting is.
You said forex is a sin. I don't know about that. You can do better by convincing me biblical references.
Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:41am On Dec 30, 2018
sexiestharam:
Whether it is a sin or not, Sports betting is killing Nigerians slowly but they are yet to realise it. I know a man who has become a sport betting addict. He is a liability even to himself. Borrows for betting and loses. He has no properties, no salary even though he is paid a comfortable salary. Everything goes to debts!
yeah, this is the saddest part of betting. It is addictive, no doubt about that but is it a sin to engage in sport betting? When you bet to the point you can no longer provide for yourself and even your family, then I can categorically say that such a person is not a responsible bettor

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Religion / Re: Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:35am On Dec 30, 2018
Thanks for making this topic hit front page
Travel / Re: ₦38,000 Per Night Guest House With 77 Lions In South Africa(Photos) by gr8tone: 9:17am On Dec 30, 2018
hahn:
What happens when NEPA take light?
standby generato
Religion / Is Sport Betting Truly A Sin? by gr8tone: 9:00am On Dec 30, 2018
Sports betting to me is placing your money on predictable outcomes. If it turns out positive, you gain but if it turns otherwise you lose. I know that the Bible warns against the love for money or material things above God. But i find it difficult to see betting as a sin. Most youths today are into sport betting but the church is silent about whether it is a sin or not. I am saying this because I am yet to see any preacher publicly condamn sport betting.

I am into betting. Any one who will condamn betting as regards Christians believe should do so with Bible references to convince me. I am not upholding my opinion above others. I only seek to know.

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Politics / Re: National ID Cards Ready For Collection —NIMC by gr8tone: 7:03pm On Dec 29, 2018
This is bizarre. If it were building a church or a mosque, I bet you it would have been done with the speed of light. If it took this long to produce for only thausands applicants, we should expect eternity for over two million applicants. Nonsense change

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Family / Re: Nigerians Advised To Buy Black Dolls For Their Kids. See Reactions by gr8tone: 8:00am On Dec 28, 2018
Black people are not charcoal please
Politics / Re: FG To Begin Emissions Control Programme January 1, 2019 by gr8tone: 7:58am On Dec 28, 2018
post=74226633:
Good development.

This government is working.
This Government is going
Foreign Affairs / Re: Iraq Officially Declares Christmas Day A National Holiday by gr8tone: 10:39am On Dec 26, 2018
Ernchibyke:
Bomb alert!
I believe they want xtians to gather in one place, as it is with festive periods.
Then they will drop bomb
grin
Politics / Re: Boko Haram Beheads Governor Gaidam’s Bodyguard, Others Flee (photo) by gr8tone: 10:11am On Dec 26, 2018
APC is winning the war on Boko Haram. They have technically defeated Boko haram

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Religion / Re: Daddy Freeze Is A Liar, It Is Not Nimrod We Celebrate On Christmas Day by gr8tone: 7:33pm On Dec 25, 2018
I must commend you on this. If people would see Christmas from the reason for the Christmas rather than the origin, it will set this confusion aside. Since the beginning of the World the devil has been wrestling against God and Christians inclusive. Attacking the church didn't start today neither will it end today. So no Christian should be dismayed by these kinds of attacks. It is good for all true Christians to arm themselves with bible knowledge in order to apply what apostle Paul says in 1 Peter 3:15-16 New International Version (NIV)

15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.
Travel / Re: Travelers Sleep By Roadside At Abuja Airport As Staff Push Them Out by gr8tone: 2:48pm On Dec 25, 2018
At 2 am on the 25th December. Maybe because of the public holiday if not, I have never heard of that before. This is savagery

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Travel / Re: Ogba Zoological Garden: What I Saw At The Zoo That Got Me Thinking by gr8tone: 11:06pm On Dec 23, 2018
troublemakea:


May God continue to protect you bro.

I pass there mostly at Night coz when coming frm ibadan you will always reach Akwanga at late night and begin the journey to jos again at 5am probably is why i've not seen it

I wonder when peace would return to these regions undecided
Amen. It is not about conflict or war but the condition and position of the the road. Hawan kibo is a very nice road compare to that place.
Religion / Re: The Matter Of Tithing: My Personal Encounter With The Bible by gr8tone: 11:02pm On Dec 23, 2018
hisgrace090:




So its now my church that uses tithe money for evangelism?

Remember I quoted you for saying you like the way tithe is used in their church.

Sorry if I misunderstood you. Tithe according to the Bible Prescription, is not meant for evangelism. Thanks bro. Why I said I like the way it is used is because at least they try for making use of it in a way that it can be appropriated. But in most churches you will only hear about the amount you will hardly know where it goes. You can't even see it being used according to the Bible prescription. They will still appeal to members to contribute for the needy which the tithe is meant for. May God have mercy on me if i misunderstood his words.

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Travel / Re: Ogba Zoological Garden: What I Saw At The Zoo That Got Me Thinking by gr8tone: 10:52pm On Dec 23, 2018
troublemakea:


chai nawa o.....wha road is that bro? i've never seen such inscription bfr
it's Nassarawa state. While going to Jos when you follow through Akwanga

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