This is a question of IDENTITY, not Practical Application whatever the hell that means!
Why does the Bible attach the identity of Almighty God and Eternal Father to the person of the Messiah?
Remember, this is about IDENTITY and nothing else. It's like I ask you for your identity and you start giving me a rambling speech about Practical Application. Does that even make sense? An identity does just what the word implies: it IDENTIFIES a person!
So why does Isaiah 9 : 6 IDENTIFY the Messiah as Mighty God and Eternal Father, even in the opinion of Charles Taze Russell?
MaxInDHouse: Why not ask for the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what you're reading instead of interpreting God's word carnally?
If i ask you to present the WORKS of your faith now you will become abusive because all what you have in your head is the Trinity dogmatic doctrine, nothing to present as WORKS of this your teachings! James 2:18
MaxInDHouse: Sorry i was attending to some serious issues.
The highlighted is WRONG! Jesus never asked anyone to WORSHIP him rather what he emphasized is to OBEY his orders {Matthew 15:7-9} we don't WORSHIP Jesus but we keep strictly his words {John 15:14} and Jesus assured us that we will see a sign as evidence that we're getting things right:
There will be perfect understanding among the adherents of Jesus' teachings throughout the world so that they will all have the same line of thought! John 17:22
Throughout the world people will know that this group have LOVE for their fellow believers in this same faith! John 13:34-35
They will not be loved in any country of the world because they're keeping the teachings of Jesus whom the world hates! John 15:19
They will become known globally as the most active group in preaching zealously and industriously teaching the word of their God exactly the same way Jesus was known back in his days! Act 1:8
They will not support WARS because racism and politics has been removed from their brains! Matthew 26:52
They will be obedient to the rulers yet they will not disobey God's commands {Mark 12:17} so when the rulers asked them to do anything that doesn't contradict God's word they will be in the forefronts! Romans 13:1-3
This is what it means to BELIEVE in Jesus and the whole world will SEE {Matthew 5:14-16} the fruit that this group is different {Matthew 7:16-18} it's not about WORSHIPING Jesus who never asked us to worship him!
Sorry I was driving so I couldn't answer your question immediately. But I do believe as a Christian that God's Will for Christians is encapsulated in John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.”
Would you agree that the Son under reference is Jesus and that He is the Messiah whose advent was prophesied in the Old Testament?
MaxInDHouse: I have answered most of the questions you posed but i know where you're driving at that's why i stick to what is written in the Bible! What is the will of God?
I'm more than happy to answer your questions even though you have been stylishly avoiding mine!
Is Jesus the Messiah?
MaxInDHouse: Why do i have to answer all your questions as there's nothing to gain from the endless quest? Will you answer mine as well if i should ask you?
Exodus 7:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
And conclude that God made Moses an actual god is, no offense, rather dull.
All it means is that God gave Moses authority over Pharaoh. If Moses actually became a god, what attributes of divinity did he possess? Was he eternal, immortal or almighty? If Moses was a god created by God, why wouldn't it have been okay for the Israelites to worship him instead of a golden calf?
With regards to Psalm 82:6, I'm amazed that a supposed Jehovah's witness is repeating a heresy/blasphemy created by the word of faith charismatics!
Let me set you straight on this:
John 10 35-36 makes it clear that the "Ye are gods" reference in Psalm 82:6 is distinct from the concept of the Son of God which only applies to Jesus and it doesn't mean that those to whom the scripture was given are LITERALLY divine:
John 10 35-36 If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside, what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son' ?
If Psalm 82:6 means literal gods as you claimed, and not just sons and daughters of God as it means in John 1:12
Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God
2 Corinthians 6:17-18 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and[b] I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.[/b]
If Psalm 82:6 meant literal gods, and not children of God, then it would make nonsense of Ephesians 4:11 to 12
So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ
If those who received the scripture are actual gods in Psalm 82:6 as you have implied, then they would be divine and need NO PERFECTION!
BUT JESUS WAS PERFECT WASN'T HE?
DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS WAS THE MESSIAH?
MaxInDHouse: The highlighted God made Moses God {Exodus 7:1[/b] God called other creatures "God" {Psalms 82:6} Jesus declared that the true God differs from him {John 17:3; 14:28} so if the Bible now says Jesus created the heavens and the earth common sense should tell us that he was acting on the instructions of the one who sent him:
Jesus then said: “After you have lifted up the Son of man, then you will know that I am he and that I do nothing of my own initiative; but just as the Father taught me, I speak these things" John 8:28
So Jesus never did anything of his own initiative, go and tell your church fathers in your trinitarian dogma!
When did God make Moses God? I asked a simple question and you deflected it with a lie. How can someone or something that is the result of creation, be the author of creation? It's a very simple question. No need to commit blasphemy while answering. I'm sure even Charles Taze Russell wouldn't stoop this low
MaxInDHouse: The point you're missing here is the ability of the ALMIGHTY God who can make anyone whatever He pleases to make them. He made Moses God so if someone says Moses did everything in Egypt and released the children of Israel of course a Bible student will say "NO Moses was sent to do all that"
Whatever Jesus did from the beginning till now was under the direction of the one who gave him the power to do it and he himself always acknowledge the one who impacted wisdom to do all these. So it's the Bible that said Jesus is not equal with the one and only true God not anyone!
If Jesus is a "creature", as you calle him, how could he create the heavens and the earth? Set aside the ingrained ignorance of Charles Taze Russell and think very hard about this. How can someone or something which is a part of creation, be the author of creation? Think carefully because the next scripture I will quote will destroy everything the Jehovah's Witnesses stand for.
MaxInDHouse: Because Jesus is the one and only creature that's a perfect replica of the Almighty God {John 1:18} our first human parents were created in the image of God {Genesis 1:26} but they didn't remain in it. Jesus maintained that image for uncountable years that he has been with God! John 8:29 So if anyone wants to know God's mindset all you need is to study Jesus' thoughts, words and actions {1Corinthians 2:16} that's why God made him the one to rule (train) mankind for a millennium in order for whoever wish to also become a perfect child of God like Jesus!
Thank you!!! Jesus created the heaven and earth! That's all I wanted to hear! Now answer this question:
The author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 is actually quoting another scripture. That scripture is Psalm 102. Why is the author of Hebrews 1: 10 to 13 taking the attributes applied to God in Psalm 102 and applying them to Jesus in Hebrews 1: 10 to 13?
MaxInDHouse: And what will that do for you? Guy it's written in your Bible just as it's there in all others but the PRACTICAL APPLICATION is what you can't grasp, that's why billions are reading that book yet the fruit of God's Holy Spirit is not seen in the human society.
Jesus is the one God gave the wisdom to make all other things whether those in heaven or on the earth. Colossians 1:16
You haven't answered my question I want to know the identity of the person who is referred to as the creator of heaven and earth in Hebrews 1 10 to 12! Just a name will suffice!
MaxInDHouse: Trinitarians and their myopic thinking!
I'll also ask you a question:
Who created the Skyscrapers, Helicopters, Aeroplanes, Speed train, Flying boats, Electricity, Telecommunication, Computers and many other things that came along with technology?
Well if you need to know everything is God's WORK! He created and impact knowledge in those that created all this things. So Jesus who was God's firstborn son (created) was given the wisdom to create all other things {Colossians 1:15-16} and before he came as a human he inspired Solomon to write about him:
Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth, When he had not yet made the earth and its fields Or the first clods of earth’s soil. When he prepared the heavens, I was there; When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters, When he established the clouds above, When he founded the fountains of the deep, When he set a decree for the sea That its waters should not pass beyond his order, When he established the foundations of the earth, Then I was beside him as a master worker. I was the one he was especially fond of day by day; I rejoiced before him all the time; I rejoiced over his habitable earth, And I was especially fond of the sons of men. Proverbs 8:22-31
Know today that Jesus (God's first work) was created and given the wisdom to make all other things. That's why the Grand creator says He made everything just as everything you can see now is to the glory of our Creator whereas humans were responsible for those things that came along with technology, yet to God be the glory and honour because He gave all of us (including Jesus) life! John 8:28
I gained admission to study in a federal university in Nigeria in 2019 but due to ASUU strike I didn't resume until 2021.
During the wait,I decided I wanted to study in Canada.So I applied to Canadian schools before I resumed in the federal university last year.
Before the end of 100level,I applied for my visa in October and due to delay I had to defer to Sept 2022.
My parents said I should continue studying in the federal university pending the time I get my visa.
The issue is I was asked to withdraw from my faculty in school because I didn't get the required points to move to 200 level. My parents are advising me to change to a lower course that I can't sit at home that it would bring disgrace to them.
Right now, I'm so confused.Should I listen to their advice or wait for my visa and learn skills while waiting
MaxInDHouse: All these are written words that you will continue to argue about because you don't know the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of it. So instead of all these questions stemming from a trinitarian dogma why not think about the WILL OF GOD?
Two persons are being referred to in those verses:
Paul is talking about the Almighty God and His Son whom He has given the authority to judge both the living and the dead. Psalms 110:1-3
Those people were Babylonians and they revere the newly born baby they saw a Star leading them to him as the King of the Jews!
It is the translators that rendered the text "WORSHIP" it simply means OBEISANCE!
And when they went into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and falling down, they did OBEISANCE to him. They also opened their treasures and presented him with gifts—gold and frankincense and myrrh! Matthew 2:11
What they had in mind from where they're coming was that the child will come from a royal family, that's why they first branched the palace of King Herod the great, their gifts would have made Herod feel highly privileged to have been the father of such a great child but he was disappointed because no baby was born in his palace during that period!
MaxInDHouse: The verse you quoted was misinterpreted Sir!
To illustrate, imagine a supernatural event occurred and you asked about five different eyewitnesses to relate the experience for you. This is how each will relate it: Lord Krishna saved the day ~ Hindu Allah rescued those involved ~ Muslim Ọ̀ṣun helped them out ~ Ọ̀ṣun worshiper Ayélála stepped in ~ Ìkálẹ̀/Ìlájé Jesus saved them ~ Churchgoer
And it will continue due to what each person believes. The translators of the Bible you're using believe in the TRINITY so they interpreted that text as "WORSHIP" but in other versions it simply means "OBEISANCE" not worship!
So, quickly leaving the memorial tomb, with fear and great joy, they ran to report to his disciples. And look! Jesus met them and said: “Good day!” They approached and took hold of his feet and did obeisance to him. Matthew 28:8-9 The same thing has happened to servants of God in the past for example
And she came in and fell at his feet and bowed down to the ground before him, after which she picked up her son and went out. 2Kings 4:37
Why didn't the translators of the Bible you're using say the woman WORSHIPED Elisha? Well it's because they feel Elisha shouldn't be worshiped, whereas it's exactly the same thing Jesus' disciples did to him.
So it's the custom of the people in the middle east to bow down to someone they revere yet it doesn't mean WORSHIP to them!
Why would you call on people who worship a different god to resolve your misunderstanding of a Christian scripture?
Do you realize that the muslims you are calling have been told by their god that it is their duty to live a sinful life? Ask AntiChristian wether or not I'm lying
ifiokjohn: Have been reading the Bible and I came across psalm110 where King David made Reference to Two Lords. He said and I quote 'The LORD said to My Lord , sit thou at my hand until I make thing enemies thy footstool'. I went through what that means. I got to know that in the Original hebrew of the psalm, The first "LORD"translate the Hebrew word Yahweh. GOD'S Convenant name. The second "Lord" translate the Hebrew word " ADONAI. A Title usually given to Yahweh in the old testament.
Now I'm asking this to understand who Jesus really is?. I remember Jesus asked the scribes this question. *if the Messiah is David's Son why then did David Call him Lord?" I'm still curious and want to know.
Because if that verse is true, it means Jesus is not just a prophet as our Muslim brothers will want us to believe.
I will like the Muslims to also contribute in this. Who is this Jesus that even a King Calls him "Lord". Not just Lord as in Lord. But a title that was reserve and used for Yahweh in the old testament. That is ADONAI.
Is this Jesus truly more than just a prophet?
Dear Muslims I need your reply to that verse and Jesus Question to the Scribes.
How can a god like allah who makes committing of sins to be a condition for serving him, also be the same as the God of Judeo-Christianity which punishes sin?
AntiChristian: Since you call me of cos i will help you interpret.
Here you made the first mistake in red "Adoni" is different from "Adonai" though both comes the same root word they are pronounced differently. The verse is "Yahweh said to my "Adoni" not Adonai as you claim. And even if you check https://biblehub.com/psalms/110-1.htm "to my Lord" is translated from "Ladoni". And more so Lord and lord are created by the translators according to whatever they wish!
"Adoni" is used for human masters and lords and never God.Adoni was used in 195 times in the Old testament and it means a superior who is human and occasionally angelic, created beings but not God. NB: "Adon" is the root word, "Adoni" is what is used for superior created beings like humans and angels (never for God) and "Adonai" is used for God and occasionally for elevated humans.
If you need the list of where "Adoni" used here for Jesus is used for human masters/lords I will write them for you.
David probably call Jesus lord as a form of respect. Jesus said of John the Baptist in Matthew 11:11 “Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist”. This is also for respect.
We Muslims believe Jesus to be a Prophet and not God or one of trinity!
1. Jesus prayed many times sometimes even putting his head on the ground to God. 2. Jesus called God his Lord. Do Lords have Lord? 3. Jesus said "I am not sent but to the lost sheep of Israel". This means he was a messenger as Muslims claim.
JESUS: A SERVANT OF ALLAH.
Matthew 23:8 ‘But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your master, even Jesus, and all ye are brethren.”
Here it is clearly proved that Jesus was servant of Allah, and that there is only One Master and He is Allah. In the Arabic version of the Bible this verse has been translated so that Jesus is meant to be the master whereas the English rendering is nearer the original sense.
Matthew 23:9 “And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven.”
From this you will note that fatherhood and sonship is meant to be the relationship between the Lord and His servants: it is meant in a general sense and not specifically for Jesus.
Matthew 24:36 “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.”
Mark 13:32 But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
This is a definite proof that the Final Hour is unknown to any but Allah, thus Jesus’ knowledge is imperfect like all other men; Allah Alone is All-Knowing, Omniscient.
Matthew 26:39 “And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face and prayed, saying, ‘O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as Thou wilt.’ “
We note here that the person speaking is unaware of Allah’s Will and realizes the fact that he is a servant of Allah. He (Allah) Alone can cause the change.
JESUS IS A SERVANT OF ALLAH
1. Paul allegedly said in Romans 6:16: Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?
This means if we obey God then we are God's slaves!
2. Paul continues later in Romans 6:22: But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life.
Here we see that those who have been set free from sins become slaves of God!
3. Luke also said in Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus.
Here we see Jesus relegated to being a servant of God by Luke.
Allah says in the Qur'an that Jesus called himself a slave of Allah. "He ['Iesa (Jesus)] said: Verily! I am a slave of Allah, He has given me the Scripture and made me a Prophet;" Qur'an 19:30
So we see Jesus, righteous people are slaves/servants of Allah/God from the Bible and Qur'an!
MaxInDHouse: During the time God made Moses a God does he deserves to be worshiped at all? The answer is "NO!" But what about obedience? Well God dealt harshly with some Israelites simply because they challenged Moses's authority! Numbers 12:1-12
Thomas was a weak follower of Jesus so when Jesus knew that this faithful and obedient man needed to see some things before his faith could be strengthen Jesus put on the body with bruises to convince his weak friend that he (Jesus) is alive. But Thomas wasn't referring to Jesus as God, it was an exclamation out of amazement just as someone would see something unimaginable and scream:
"Oluwa o!"
"Ayélála!"
"My Lord and my God!" depending on what the person believes.
Jesus taught his followers to pray "in his name"
"You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide; so that WHATEVER YOU ASK THE FATHER IN MY NAME, he may give it to you" John 15:16.
Not to him! All prayers must be directed to the father {Matthew 6:9} but in Jesus name!
This means the true God will not answer anyone unless you obey Jesus and do what he commanded! Matthew 17:5
Produce the story! Or is it not you and fake news? I love the way these things call us Children of Hate as if is an insult! They're angry and pained because we don't love them and we don't want to have anything to do with filthy subhuman animals!
asanausana91: what of the other bandit in jos that killed 6 keke riders? You didn't mention his name,abi his name is too long to pronounce? Ewu. Children of Hate!
See this worthless slave lying to please his masters
Thank you for confirming that generations of your ancestors were also loyal slaves in the service your FULL ANUS masters!
Of course it's Igbos who are behind the kidnappings and killings in the North! That's why all the Bandits and herdsmen who have been arrested so far, have such beautiful Igbo names like Muhammad, Sulaimon, Mustapha, Bello etc!
Your loyalty as a slave can only be matched by your low IQ, the same inherited low IQ which your brother also possess which led him to be lynched for trying to practice crime in Imo state! What a shameful family you have!
asanausana91: we have been living with fulani since before your grand mother started mensturating. We all know that the igbos are the people that are always looking for ways to exaggerate the crisis. Infact most of the attacks were not carried out by fulanis,the attacks are actually carried out by the help of igbos staying in those locality. Two days back an Igbo man was arrested for killing more than 6 keke riders in jos. Had it been he was not caught their family will be thinking that they were kidnapped by bandits or they were killed by the opposite religion. The worst part is those keke riders are Christian and they were killed by the same animal that called himself a Christian. My elder brother was killed in IMO by ipob even when they know he was a Christian.
You're not a Muslim but you enjoy supporting them to kill Igbos. You must be one of those lost souls from the Middle Belt or Southern Kaduna where your families are being slaughtered every day by the same Muslims you serve as a loyal slave!
I would have felt sorry for you but you deserve whatever evil your masters do to you.
asanausana91: If you really know what Christianity means,you will not call yourself a Christian. What did Jesus teach us about our neighbors? Do you know what makes the deciples to be called Christian in the first place? Iam not a Muslim and I will never be .
They're cheap for the same reason that Blackberry using the old Blackberry Operating system is cheap and that is the discontinuance of the windows mobile operating system. Nokia has now switched to Android, just like Blackberry has also switched to Android.
I wouldn't advise you buying one unless you know what you're doing, because those phones operating outdated systems are easier to target by hackers since they have poor security as a consequence of no longer having regular security and debugging updates.
Ugandatales: Hmm...Please, can you speak a little more on this. Sorry, I am not so tech savvy. Does it mean I can't do most normal smartphone functions on it?
Congratulations on becoming the latest recipient of overseas scholarship and 5 million naira settlement like the one the Dullard gave to members of ISWAP who surrendered!
Remember that according to a high ranking Nigerian Army officer, you can even become the president of Nigeria one day!
Muslims are actually the biggest ritualists with their tira charms and marabouts chanting incantations to invoke the presence of Jinns from Sheitan. But AntiChristian and his fellow Black stone worshippers like asanausana91 have their heads buried in the sand like ostriches and they refuse to see the evil of their fake religion.
You don't believe your own Hadith? Do you know that according to your POOphet, Allah has put adultery into the destiny of all muslims? I have the link for the Hadith on sunnah.com for you to read. I guess Abu Hurayrah must have been a Christian!
Not all yorubas are lowlife baboons like yoruba mûdslîmés. I'm guessing you think that all of us are like your loyal slave, the MURIC bastard.
As for Igbos, I have no idea how you reached the figure of 7 million for them, but I know that Igbos are smart, hardworking people who can take over when they find themselves amongst unintelligent and intellectually weak people which is why they have been so successful in your region whereas in Yorubaland, we Yorubas are more than a match for them.
As for drinking water, I find it odd that a beggar in the middle of the desert is lecturing anyone about how to supply drinking water! Why don't you provide food for your children so they can stop eating from dustbins?
asanausana91: so what is the over 7 millions igbos doing in the North? You can claim yoruba but you can never be a Yoruba man. I know one when I see his write up. Mr.billionaire why can't you provide ordinary drinking water for Enugu residents? Hahahaha! Bragging of terrorist.
Christianity Etc › Re: Help!! I'm Confused. by GreatAxeMan: 10:53pm On Feb 03, 2022
