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Mubiola360:
The headline is misleading.
It should have been woro Muslims community massacred by terrorist

Sense

Kukutente23:
So how does robbing caravans return their confiscated properties. Also, how are they able to differentiate one caravan from the other? Are there marks or insignia to differentiate the caravans? It's simply a case of robbery because the caravans are not the ones who confiscated their properties

What do you mean by unprovoked? Your claim is that any attack by the Prophet is defensive. You're now changing to provoke. Bullies and oppressors always claim to be provoked. Kindly show us where the people of Khaybar attacked your Prophet. We don't need any justification based on morality. Just show us the people of Khaybar attacking him

If you can prove that the muslims attacked caravans of other tribes indiscriminately besides the caravans belonging to the Quraishi's who persecuted them in Mecca, then you have a point. Anything short of that is mere speculations or lies.

I believe you know the cause of the war of khaybar but here is an open record of it. Prove to the house how this account draws similarity to or justifies the terrorists attack on the innocent community.

Kukutente23:
What about the robbing of caravans. Was that also defensive?
Kindly tell us how the people of Khaybar attacked first. Just tell us how they attacked

What about the robbing of caravans. Was that also defensive?
Yes the raiding (not robbing) of Quraishi caravans (not any caravans) was in pure retaliation because it was the Quraishi who expelled the muslims from Mecca and confiscated their properties. The muslims acted in measure for measure. Robbery, stealing and looting is strictly prohibited.

Kindly tell us how the people of Khaybar attacked first. Just tell us how they attacked
No you need to show us the part of history where the holy Prophet (s.a.w.) attacked the people of Khaybar unprovoked so that it becomes clear that his actions were not defensive. You brought up the accusation. You can't be dodging when it's time to show your proofs after making careless defamatory statements.

Whalis:
The world should come together for a reformation of Islam. Edit Quran and excise every lead of violence in it. Expunge those verses that support violence. I know this will lead to emptying the Quran as the first page to last canvasses violence. If Islam won't allow this then the whole world should ban Islam. Stop Islam.

It is beyond the capabilities of the entire humanity with everything they've got (computer, AI, algorithms, scientists, thinkers, philosophers and every every) to produce a match of the Holy Qur'an. If that was possible they would have done that hundreds of years ago because that has always been the end goal anyway. But they always fall short of meeting up because of the high bar set by the Holy Book. Bar so high for the state of the art, science and technology to reach.

Kukutente23:
Banu khaybar Jews were killed and annihilated for not accepting Muhammad’s wishes for them
Is that not the same thing that happened here?
How's that blaming the victim

You are lying and you know that. And you know that you can only tell these lies on these obscure pages of nairaland. You know that the holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) never fought anyone or group for who they are, let alone initiate an attack. Never!. He was always on the defensive. If you bring peace you receive piece in manifold. If you bring war, you get humiliating defeat as he is backed by the superior angels. If you maintain your lane, that is perfectly fine, and of course, no compulsion would come upon you.

Or, can you back your above claim with any proofs or at least proof that the war of khaybar is not within this counter claim of mine.

Racoon:
"They Sent a Letter Asking to Preach. Then They Massacred us" - Nigerians on Jihadist Attack in Woro.
...
Local MP Saidu Baba Ahmed told the BBC said the latest communication had been sent to Salihu, who had contacted the security forces about the letter. The military went to the area briefly to investigate, but after they left, the jihadists launched their assault, he said.

Amnesty says this shows a "stunning security failure. We are wondering why this security lapse was allowed to happen, why the authorities could not take action," Sanusi said.
...

This pattern of systemic failure has been repeated in almost all the mass attacks and it is a clear case for a government backed state policing drawn from among the people themselves. The government should do the needful and get this important piece in place. It is about shifting the security architecture to the lower levels instead of inviting more and more external interests which tends to move the needed efforts to combat insecurity away from the people that should benefit from such efforts. Again, the people rejected their ideologies, they reported the developments to the security agencies but they could not, by the design of the flawed security structures, organise a defence of their own to protect their community.

Kukutente23:
This one is still practicing taqqiya

Moderate Muslim well done o

Tell us what happened in Banu Khaybar since you say this is not islamic

You sabi Islam pass your prophet abi

You tell us what happened in banu khaybar and show us how this incident is an example of it. You are trying to find a way to blame the victims. Very wrong.

This does not seem like a DNA altering control mechanism the type the world population control maniacs always trying to deploy. This however sounds like something that only needs to be fine tuned for purity, proper dosaging and better means of delivery to the body. Well

Ojuntana:
Spreading taqqiya means using deceit to justify or prove yourself. Claiming that Christians also burn down shrines is taqqiya
In the North for example, we have multiple cases of Chruches getting burnt down by Muslims but we know the reverse is not the case. So claiming otherwise is just taqqiya in its purest form

It is not claiming but a statement of fact that christians burn shrine. You have been pointed to that by other contributors.

But does Islam teach muslims to use deceit to justify or prove their point, especially, while having a discussion? Please show me where.

Ojuntana:
Which Christian did you see burning down shrines
Stop spreading taqqya abeg

What do you mean by spreading taqqya ? Or you people just like projecting your ignorance on us muslims?

Let's hear the full story o.
Was this an attack on idol worshippers or the people themselves decide not to continue in their old ways because of turning to Islam?

But nairaland has become a forum for championing for the U.S. to come and kill muslims for christians with unending insinuating posts pushed to the front page every other hour

tiger28:
And the funny thing is that these Terrorists will still be chanting ALAU AKBAR while they are killing INNOCENT people…..

I will remain a Christian FOREVER!!!

Most of the victims here are muslims also. Meaning the terrorists are simply evil or don't you feel for the killed muslims too?

Only small testing drill by Iran/China/Russia and d armada don change direction? Dem for allow this man collect Greenland so that he will leave us alone. Nigeria's security challenges can best be solved through an organic and home grown solution imho

I think CG Musa knows how to speak (and conduct himself) in a balanced manner. Something good

Yobabad:
Islamic terrorist and islamic bandits wants to destroy Nigeria

Islam not only forbids terrorism, it also forbids harming other peoples' places of worship.

Baxilexi:
Now this is true comedy…

Putin wants to hold another front, .... Make your findings, the Shia population doesn’t represent the majority...

Ok o.
My finding 👇

It helps to save the society from the regret of "after all that I have done for you" or turning of our ladies to outright haters of men that becomes the regret of many young women. Whenever you hear a lady mention that phrase, it's because they have been severely hurt in a relationship where they felt like they have sacrificed a portion of their essence. Many of them have turned to forums like nairaland to dedicate their lives to continuous pouring of outrage against men because of relationship they once guided jealously although being conducted against the dictates of God Almighty until that (false) freedom they thought they were enjoying got stolen from them by the very same person they thought loved them. An extra marital affairs is never a mutual bargain especially for the females except through marriage. The simple biology of menopause for women and a lifetime of production for men clearly emphasizes this. So there has to be a practical way to curtail this sin. And thank God Islam provides an effective one.

So after sponsoring of protests has failed, the next step is to resort to direct brute force and violence. Is the U.S. not looking for its own downfall like this?

Spain has been a very liberal and balanced western european country. Other western european countries should take a cue from them.

Gajagojo:
Is that what Islam teaches
Don't you believe Muhammad was the best example?

Is that not what Islam teaches?
Of course the holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is the best example and mercy to mankind before, now and in the future to come.

Gajagojo:
No
We should not
They are a subset of the group but a tiny minority
It is a pathology
Jurisprudence and laws are not about such minorities. Laws are not made for exceptional cases

Also all the Tafsirs and fatwas are clear

It is dishonest to pretend otherwise


Like I said before I am not a Christian because that is the default position of Muslims to attack Christians

My point is simple the thing you Muslims like to claim that Quran and Islam are perfect is false

It is a human creation based on Arabic culture 1400 years ago


I will put you on the spot

Define underage marriage

If you cannot mention a specific number then you should not bother quoting me

What age is a cut off age as a minimum?

I think 18. What do you think?

@ the bolded
15 years

Gajagojo:
The wording Is clear
وَاللَّائِي لَمْ يَحِضْنَ (wa allā’ī lam yaḥiḍna)
those who have not yet menstruated


Ibn Kathir is very clear

See if you want people to take you seriously stop lying

The worst kind of lying is when you lie to yourself


I posted that not because I want to convince you

You are brainwashed

I posted it for the thread
People reading are very intelligent

So we should exclude medically proven women who experienced delayed first menstruation from the coverage of the verse simply because you want to prove that Islam encourages underaged marriage when the same verse you are relying on did not say underaged women?

Gajagojo:
I will quote you for a 3rd time so the thread can see the truth about Islam

In Islam there is a practice that when a woman divorce she must wait 3 months or equivalent of 3 monthly cycles to ensure she does not take her husband's pregnancy to another man

That waiting period is called IDDAH

It is described in Quran 2. 228

It is for women with normal cycles of menstruation


Then there is an IDDAH for women who do not menstruate
In Quran 65. 4

Quran 65. 4
IS ONLY FOR WOMEN WHO DO NOT MENSTRUATE
There are 3 groups
1. Women who are in menopause
2. Women too young to menstruate
3. Women who are pregnant

What is important is IDDAH is waiting period for women going through divorce who have been knacked

The Quran says if you marry a woman but do not knack her there is no Iddah

Quran 33. 49


Anyone reading please fact check

Fact checking will help you understand and remember


WHY IS A WOMAN TOO YOUNG TO MENSTRUATE DIVORCING?
Why does she have Iddah?

@ the bolded

The Q65:4 verse did not say:
2. Women too young to menstruate
Rather it says:
..those who have not menstruated...

The medical age for delayed menstruation to start is 16 years and this can extend to early twenties in extreme cases:

Medically, the most extreme, or "delayed," case of menstruation starting (menarche) is generally considered to be in the late teens to early twenties, usually resulting from conditions like Turner syndrome, Kallmann syndrome, or severe, long-term environmental factors.

So a woman could have been married but yet to menstruate, medically supported.

Apparently you built your opinion based on your wrong translation of the verse of the holy Qur'an. It is not hard to see why you got it wrong now.

Inyaky:
Check leviticus 18:6

Did leviticus 18:6 say that cousin marriage is incest?

dederocs:
This is the reason they are wired the way they are... marrying people with identical bloodline leads to biological or mental distortions.

My opinion is in support of Islam though I hope you get it. Essentially, because Islam declares a separation between cousins, it also lets us know that there is an attraction between them as a result of that separation. That is why, their free mixing is prohibited but also their marriage is allowed. To me, this is the truth. Societal behaviours confirm that too except you want to overlook them.

Inyaky:
This called incest by we Christians , but then many traditions in Nigeria also see it the same and won't allow it, but muslims and fulani don't see any wrong it.

That is not correct. Show where christianity regard cousin marriage as incest.

Gajagojo:
I am not a Christian
That Christian do it does not make it right

I am Yoruba and proud
It us dirty
It is abominable

It is disgusting
Islam permits marrying two year old piking

So why us what is permitted in Islam something worth emulating
Does Islam not permit papa marrying his daughter? If she was produced outside wedlock?

Islam and Christianity cannot teach Yoruba morality

@ the bolded

Ok I see I thought your post was from a christian angle.
About being abominable, well, Islam lets cousins know their blood have separated. Without this separation, a lot of things go on among cousins even in societies where they have been taught that they are brothers and sisters. Islam lets you know that the attraction is there between them and so the prohibition for their close companies.
Some of the scholars try to explain that under this scenario it is permitted, but hey, the stronger opinion is that it is haram by default.

Anniie4u:
Please o! Is this normal ?
Marrying your cousin

Gajagojo:
That is Islam
Sharia law

Cousin marriage is permitted in Islam. But niece marriage and closer ones are prohibited.
That is why cousins are not allowed to mingle freely in Islam. Though many people don't practice it due to a common held belief that if there is a hereditory health challenge, it manifests quickly through such unions.

Cousin marriage is not prohibited in christianity too.