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Good development on the face of it but another side of me asking why is it following rapidly closely with the invitation of US
companies to the exploration of our solid minerals resources.

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Omnipotence would be demonstrated and inferred rather than taught. I shouldn't have too, but here goes,

1. The Lord Jesus Christ claimed universal authority - Matthew 28:18

This so called claim occurred after the supposed resurrection of Jesus which according to Islam does not exist. It's a complete hogwash. This is strengthened by the conflicting accounts of the aftermath of the crucifixion even in your bible.

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2. The Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated authority over nature - Mark 4:39

We have stories of companion of the holy prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) and other muslim saints who calmed seas, walked over water or saved sinking ships but we don't refer to these people as omnipotent. Their call to God were simply accepted by God at that point as far as Islam is concerned.

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3. The Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated authority over demons - Mark 1:27

Something alfas in your neighbourhood are doing effectively on a daily without carrying microphone to hoodwink people?

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4. The Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated authority to forgive sins - Mark 2:5-7

"There is no Muslim who is afflicted with illness or any hardship except that Allah removes his sins just as a tree sheds its leaves."1
— Sahih al-Bukhari 5660 & Sahih Muslim 257

Perhaps this is what Jesus was referring to. That is, the man was in distress already and has the mercy of God. But the envious scribes were quick to be accusative of him.

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5. The Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated authority life and death - John 11

Many muslims saints attained this feat too. Again, Islam treats them as prayer answered.

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6. The Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated authority over nature - Mark 4:39

Repeated

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7. The Lord Jesus Christ demonstrated authority to grant life - eternal life - John 10:28

Generally people accept faith and believe in God so that they have eternal life in Paradise. So how is this verse you quoted any more special than that? But if you want to use this as a proof for omnipotence then let me share this with you in Islam: There are people the holy Prophet Muhammad has mentioned by name that they have already made Paradise while they were still living on earth. That is, nothing is going to change that forever. Do we then call him omnipotent because of this? No. Rather, it is the privileged revelation to him by God that let him know this. Even your bible scholars call that verse the verse of the good shepherd. How does that mean omnipotence. Is shepherding showing omnipotence? So your own understanding is skewed.

Moving on. The concept of Miracle in Islam is broader than what you have listed above. In Islam, there are miracles that are considered anecdotal and there are miracle that are considered universal. Anecdotal miracles are considered localised and restricted to the time and people where they occurred. Everything you have listed fall into this category. None of the so called miracles can be attested to by anyone again today beyond the places and times where they occurred.

As a result they are usually subject to dispute, doubt or even rejection. Whereas for universal miracle, it is witnessed from the time that it happened and will continue to be witnessed by all who are living till the end of time. The holy prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) is blessed with both categories of miracles. My point is built around the universal miracles:

Have you ever wondered why since the first time the holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) performed salat, it has remained so till the present day and so shall it remain till the day of judgment? Today over 2 billion people the world over perform the same salat that he did that first time, at the same exact times that he performed them, of the same numbers and using the same set of Divine words. That is an example of a universal miracle. No other prophet of God commands this influence on humanity. And it is going to remain so till the world comes to an end. He also gave us the Holy Qur'an, same book wherever you go in the world. And it shall remain so till the day of Judgement. No version this or version that, or a type for one group and another type for another group. These are some of the common and obvious examples to start with. Essentially his worships became natural laws. Have you ever wondered this?

INJESUSNAME:
If your book claims this, then your god is not a good one.
Such man cannot be a source of spiritual light for humanity. This reminds me of the friends of the pro fet such as Ms Baba, Christian prince, David wood etc. what they tell us about this man is opposite of excellent example..

You have not made any fact based statement here, just tantrums. Anyway, that's what you get when you take content creators as your source of inspiration.

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Ok, we'll work with your definition. Please show with evidence from your texts exactly what this "purifying action" is, how it works or is applied...

By constantly remembering God in all his inactions and actions. Thus he attained to the highest level of closeness to God and he was, as a result, granted a visit to witness Divine Presence in heaven while he was alive as a human being as declared by the holy Qur'an:


Glory be to the One Who took His servant ˹Muḥammad˺ by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque whose surroundings We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs. Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.
Qur'an 17:1


Then he approached and came closer, and was at a distance of two bow-lengths or even closer

Qur'an 53:9

No other prophet of God has attained this status in their prophetic missions according to Islam.

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What does it mean to be at the "pinnacle" of this state of holiness? How, and since when did he attain to this state?. The ee.slam.c texts clearly show he was a sinner and required forgiveness. Words he himself uttered....

Being at the pinnacle of spiritual state attainable by mankind means he has, by this constant remembrance of God and making God his central focus in all he does, attained such a spiritual status that saw him transcend all the heavenly bounds attainable by men and prophets and angels to the point that only God Almighty can speak of.

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The ee.slam.c texts clearly show he was a sinner and required forgiveness. Words he himself uttered....

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Again, his own words declared him to be a man like other men. How was he created or "configured to live" that sets him apart and above other men. ..

Allahu ta'ala has never declared the Prophet Muhammad a sinner neither has he ever declared himself a sinner. Rather he operates within the guard rail of always seeking forgiveness from God as an act of supreme humility, gratitude, and a way to teach the Muslim community the best practice to approach God to purify your deeds or to seek forgiveness. One cannot claim goodness before God. Rather you protect your good works by asking forgiveness from God for your shortcomings even if your ways are pure. Thereafter He will raise you in ranks, status and influence because of your unblemished good works.

Kukutente23:
to intercede means to step between two parties at variance (such as God and humanity) to ask for mercy on behalf of someone else

This is the first definition from your screenshot

Also see screenshot below

It clearly says here that to intercede means to step in between 2 parties who are at conflict and plead on behalf of one of the party.

A simple analogy is if a parent wants to beat a child. To intercede on behalf of the child, you have to step in between the two of them and take the place of the child. For you to be in a position to intercede on behalf of the child, the parent must regard you enough as someone worth listening to (which is where the holiness comes from). Someone who has offended the parent can hardly be in the position to plead for another. In pleading, you are asking that your state be looked at above and beyond the sin of the child. If your state is not of such to overshadow the sin of the child, you're not in a moral position to plead. So that's why pleading means you're taking on the sin of the child with your own higher moral standing.

I hope you can relate the analogy with the moral state of Muhammad as a sinner and whether he's of such that can take on and overshadow the sin of his followers especially as it relates to murder and adultery

At least we seem to be agreeing that it is a go-between role for pleading and not an authority which therefore does not mean taking the place of the sinner or paying the price for the sin or the sinner.

Also Islam makes it clear that this go-between role shall require special permission to be granted by God Almighty for it to be played. No human will have the audacity to simply jump in to it before God Almighty on the Day of Judgement.

The Qur'an has described him as the source of spiritual light for humanity, Quran 33:46 and the mercy for all the worlds Quran 21:107 and an excellent example for whoever has hope in Allah and the Last Day... Quran 33:21 to name a few.

INJESUSNAME:
Please provide these claims with evidence

Kukutente23:
You can only intercede for others when you're without sin yourself. Your fellow sinner cannot intercede on your behalf. To intercede is to take your place.
So in summary, if Islam teaches that no one can bear the sins of another, how then can there be an intercessor. And how come only Muhammad is holy in Islam?

Always building on flawed logic.

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How does one who is not omnipotent know the state or deeds of each individual in order to make intercession for them.

Omnipotence is not a requirement for intercession in Islam. Only God is Omnipotent in Islam. It is your acceptability before God that qualifies you for intercession. Even Jesus did not teach his disciples that he is omnipotent when he was "alive" according to christianity. All these started when people started to claim that they saw things after the so called resurrection.

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What makes him holy? What does ee'slam define as holy?
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Holiness as far as humans are concerned in Islam is sinlessness. Or the purifying actions that makes one sinless. The holy Prophet Muhammad is at the pinnacle of this state. He is not only sinless, he is protected from falling into sins because of how God Almighty has created and configured him to live.

damoobaba:
MSBaba is already doing the needful by exposing the little honour that is left in that c*r$ed religion.

Not relevant to thread... If you have anything relevant, post it here.

wellmax:
Your authentic Hadith thinks otherwise

Sahih al-Bukhari (Hadith 3448): Prophet Muhammad stated that Jesus, the son of Mary, will descend to Earth as a just ruler (Hakam), breaking the cross, killing the swine, and abolishing the Jizya (tax on non-Muslims).

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Not sure your response was meant for my post... My post was for post-resurrection. Not this earth.

Kukutente23:
Wow!!
But how does that make him holy
I thought a man cannot bear the sins of another in Islam
So how come Muhammad will intercede for mankind
So if you believe in Muhammad he can intercede on your behalf and you'll be saved right?

Intercession is a plea for Mercy from God, it is not a transfer of sins. It is asking for Divine Grace and not bearing of sins. That is the core logic you are missing. Only the Holy Prophet Muhammad will be permitted by God Almighty to make this request on the Day of Judgment.

Kukutente23:
This is part of what the Op is condemning. How did you know that the Prophet is holy? Stop attributing to him what is not

He is the only Prophet who will intercede for the whole of mankind on the day of Judgment. No other prophet from among the prophets of God has been granted that standing.

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Can you point out any of the things said in the OP concerning over-praise of the Prophet that is wrong?

My dear brother, that is how the OP wants to wire your reasoning. He wants to constrain your reasoning to one perspective. Because if we begin to go into the confirmed praises that set the Holy Prophet Muhammad apart from all other creations, we will discover that what the OP presented are trivial compared to those ones and never should have been brought as bases for saying that the Prophet was being overpraised by them. Anyway, but I believe you are more knowledgeable than the estimate conveyed in this post but want to keep the discussion open, which is good.

The agenda to strip the Holy Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) of his honour and status and to eventually openly disrespect him did not start today. It is engineered from within Islam itself and is actively supported by outside collaborators.

A lonely young girl kneeling in one position in the middle of the road for at least four minutes is apparently suicidal and not praying in the middle of the road. What do you stand to gain from the pain of a suicidal young girl by coming to scream with a headline on nairaland that she was praying (and being of Pakistani origin, praying like a muslim in salat) Has humanity left the heart of some people here on nairaland

Where are those dumb commenters who term crimes committed by morally depraved people to religion. Oya tie this one to religion now let's see how it goes.

Scripted hogwash
How low can these people sink in their game of deception?

Funny thing is that Peter Obi may still come out to adjust the 'I don't have any evidence' part to make it seem like he really has the evidence. Watch.

Muslims look at these types of slimy malfeasance from christian pastors and just look away because it doesn't spark a surprise, why? because it is the expected outcome of a loose faith system. Abi how many we wan count? However, christian nairalanders spend their entire being on looking for where to dig up negative news about muslims. Just to engineer hate.

Fiscus105:
The same rapist would say 1001 reasons why christian not good, jew is bad, traditional evil, how Allah is one, and ready to take arm for the sake of Mohamed, but nonsense he himself is doing, in which the same Allah is against, he cannot leave it....

This is not how the OP wants you to reason the post. The agenda of the post is defeated this way...

Obi and speaking with clarity are like night and day.

Definitely.
Gbenga Hashim is a standout candidate on economic reforms but he is a lightweight politician at the end of the day.

No. Because the colour of the human race is not a sharp contrast of black and white according to science. Therefore, it will be wrong to categorise the hadith along that line. So the scholars are right and you are wrong (and the deceiver).

Antiiislam:
Did you have a special class for taqqiya at your ile-kewu?

Is black and white offspring not about RACE?

The hadith is not about race but rather purity of deeds versus darkness of sinning. That is why there is specific mention of right and left. Moreover, that is why the word right is the origin of righteousness in every religion.

Holy Qur'an 19/65-70:

˹He is the˺ Lord of the heavens, and the earth, and everything in between. So worship Him ˹alone˺, and be steadfast in His worship. Do you know of anyone equal to Him ˹in His attributes˺?”

Yet ˹some˺ people ask ˹mockingly˺, “After I die, will I really be raised to life again?”

Do ˹such˺ people not remember that We created them before, when they were nothing?

By your Lord ˹O Prophet˺! We will surely gather them along with the devils, and then set them around Hell on their knees.

Then We will certainly begin by dragging out of every group the ones most defiant to the Most Compassionate.

And We truly know best who is most deserving of burning in it.

If you think you can mock God and go scot-free, then the Holy Qur'an has confirmed to you where your destination is.

Antiiislam:
Good for him but they should explain this hadith and quran verse to him

Narrated Abu Darda, Allah's messenger (peace be upon him) said: Allah created Adam when He had to create him and He struck his right shoulder and there emitted from it white offspring as if they were white ants...

Are some of the hidden reasons for starting the external aggressions coming to light now?

Solid minerals sector worth $700B

That is Nigeria literally being handed a second chance at redesigning herself again as a country because since commercial oil exploration started in Oloibiri in 1958, we have only earned about that much money till date or only a little above. Are we now taking the right steps to correct the mistakes of old by these agreements? What lessons have we learnt from countries like Norway who protected their oil and enriched their future generations when they saw how oil was siphoned from weaker countries?

It is like our rudderless economic ship that sailed aimlessly away in 1958 is being brought back to us again so we can have a second try whereas "opportunity seldom knocks twice", yet we have that opportunity shining brightly at us now. I hope and pray that we can fix it and sail right this time around

Nice one Osun state.
Well done for taking the lead in implementing the needed steps to secure the lives of your people.

No response about the foreign loans he incurred?

Always on point this presidential candidate with clarity and depth.

Op and their people are not even able to wait 'make election even pass first' before showing their hatred to the same people they hope are going to be voting for Peter Obi. Imagine if he wins?
Alright

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If you think it is a LIE by Christians...

The claim by the OP still remains a lie because you can not use inadequate prompts to generate AI responses that suits your deceptive approach. Here is a more elaborate prompts you can use instead to verify if the OP's claim is supported in the established laws of Islam.

We have seen thus far that there is no where a verse of the Holy Quran commanded muslims to engage in this practice of cursing at Jews or Christians in salat or khutbah, no hadith of the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) recommended it and from the below, none of the four established Islamic law systems (that have been used to govern states in the world of Islam) recommended this practice. That is why I let you know that the narration you saw was a private practice associated with the people, though few, who did them. Thereby rendering it ineffective to defend OP's claim.

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I am not the OP so, I cannot own his title.

Sounds like trying to water down your position when you cannot fully defend the OP's claims.

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However, Islamic prayers are not ALWAYS recited from the Qur'an as claimed by you sir. Part of what you recite is the Al-Fatiha, Ruku, Salat 'ala an-Nabi, the Du'a al-Qunoot and other snippets from the Qur'an.
Is the Tashahud (long one or abridged one) in the Qur'an? No!

Have you forgotten that we have a context already. Let me remind you of that: the OP's claim that muslims curse jews and christians 17 times daily. I used AI to verify the source of this claim and it narrowed it to the 17 times sura Fatiha is recited in the compulsory daily prayers. That context is squarely within the Holy Qur'an. Okay, now I see why you were against AI and the accuracy that it provides.

TenQ:
The point of issue was when YOU GreenCovering (primarily) and Rashdut4Luv tried to say that the Al-Fatiha that you recite during your prayers is NOT refering to the Christians and Jews. My objective was to show you both that YOU are WRONG.

Incase you forgot, check your post
https://www.nairaland.com/8732843/why-muslims-wish-christians-jews#140467882

And I used your Tafsirs to support myself.
Your Tafsirs agree with me didn't they?

You seem to just jump into the defence of Islam before you even check the issues on ground.
1. You supported by Rashdut4Luv claimed using AI that the Al-Fatiha does not refer to the Jews and Christians.

My Response:
I showed you Tafsirs from Al-Qurtubi, Ibn Kathir and Al-Jalalyn showing that YOU are BOTH wrong

2. The OP noted that some Muslims curse the Christians and Jews several times a day.
My Contribution:

I presented THREE instances or examples of How Muslims curse the Christians and Jews in their prayers
i. In the Witr prayer, some Muslims recite Qunoot that includes the phrase ...curse the disbelievers among the People of the Book..

ii. Some Muslims include the the "Second Qunoot" (Du'a al-Qunoot in Witr) with phrases like: "...and humiliate the disbelievers among the People of the Book..."

You still haven't proved anything because all of these inputs that you have made here are based on narrations that are not hadith. Rather, they were the practices of some companions that did not make it into the established religious rulings with stronger hadith backings whether in the Hanafi law or other schools. Moreover, when you look at those narrations in details, you will see that such prayers were offered with contextual conditions which you left out in your quotes. For example, rather than quoting "...and humiliate the disbelievers among the People of the Book...", stating "...and humiliate the disbelievers among the People of the Book who bar people from Your path..." would have provided a clearer context. Then to further weaken your argument, these prayers were made during the witr of tarawih which is outside of the 17 obligatory rakah's that make up the muslims daily prayer which is the core of the OP's post and which was done by a small segment of muslims and only recorded for keeping history. This additional prayers was neither advised by the Holy Prophet (s.a.w.) according to the version of the qunut that he handed down nor commanded by the Holy Qur'an. As a matter of fact, the Holy Prophet (s.a.w) advised against cursing others as already shown you in my previous post, also the Holy Qur'an taught us to pray against deviations, which as a matter of fact is not limited to Christians and Jews because Muslims are also culpable according to other hadiths. So your arguments is too far fetched to qualify for defending the OP's claim of muslims cursing at Christians and Jews 17 times in a day.

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iii. In the "Friday Khutbah" Some sermons historically included: (O Allah, curse the Jews and Christians and those who follow them)
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As far as you are not able to provide a religious source where this practice is canonised, then it falls short and remains a limited discontinued private practice.

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GreenCovering says the Al-Fatiha is NOT about the Jews and Christians

Fixed: GreenCovering implies Al-Fatiha is NOT only about the Jews and Christians.