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raumdeuter:
Don't you think you have enough L to deal with in a week already instead of shopping for more.

Must you turn from L Guapo to LLL Gualpoll in one day

You're a comedian.

Is Aguero finished or not? Seems like the little man is making you eat your words.

raumdeuter:
We mean Mourinho cannot tweak the team to accomodate a very productive midfielder who was Chelsea player of the season for 2yrs running.
He couldnt buy players to support a Proven performer (Are those not the same words used for Pep) but we expect Pep to tweak the team to accomodate a player who doesnt fit even if he is a proven performer

So Mourinho was right to pick a more hardworking and less productive midfielder

But when Guardiola tries to do the same, pick a more hardworking and possibly less productive striker

All hell is let lose

"Space rejection by Mourinho" is not a philosophy, "Offensive press by Pep" is the only philosophy

Some jokes write themselves

Let me gladly take the L on this one and accept that Jose is an idiot for treating a good player like Mata badly.

Let me not build more excuses for his decision, excuses that only go further to contradict what I believe in.

To the crux of the debate, were you high on skunk when you asserted that Aguero is finished?

raumdeuter:
Yet Mourinho chased away Chelsea 2 time player of the year away because he cant run and maraud the entire pitch

Maybe Mr Mourinho is pursuing some philosophy too

Jose had to make that call, it was the only way to address the structural defect in our team then. He never wanted to sell Mata.

In the absence of a trusted defensive midfielder who would have provided our Ams with the freedom to play their game, every player on the pitch had to work hard for the team. We had to play to reject space, play to cover eachother's asss.

Mata was a victim of that decision and the more hardworking Oscar, the beneficiary, it had nothing to do with philosophy.

FBS:
Lol. Ain't that a normal thing? Managers demanding more from their players?

Yeah right, Aguero just got rediscovered.

Rediscovered mehn!

lekkie073:
coupled with favoring a goalkeeper who 'passes better' over the one DAT is more assured of stopping d goals

That is how useless one can become when he's drunk in a certain philosophy.

Sweet Jesus! What happened to pragmatism?

homesteady:
Haven't you answered your question already? Is a player adapting to the Coach requirements a new phenomenon? Is Yaya Toure the same player he was under Pellegrini and Mancini?

Don't be so dumb like our seasoned German pundit my friend. Aguero is still scoring goals because he is a proven striker not b'cos he has started running around the pitch.

Certain requirements aren't 'necessary'. No be today I begin dey see managers and their irrepresible urge to push players to the wall.

I don't know about you and most 'seasoned' pundits here, but I've played under many managers albeit on an amateur level and I know what a good manager want most in a player.

Every player has what you can easily put as 'current ability' and that, in simple terms, reflect how good he supposedly is now. It's that ability that indicates to a large extent how well he will perform. The player's current ability doesn't take into account all the factors that may affect his performance, good managers know this for a fact.

An improvement in an attribute considered less pivotal for a player's position will cost a player more of his current ability than an improvement in an attribute considered more pivotal.

Unless a forward developed with a boundless workrate, demanding that he gets to chase down defenders, is you inadvertently limiting his chances of scoring goals. This is possible because visible attributes and factors like aggression, energy, time and determination he channeled towards winning the ball diminishes before he finds himself in a shooting position.

Why haven't any manager complained about Messi's workrate or lack of aerial prowess? Those aren't necessary requirements because his current abilities outweighs those requirements.

Pep should direct his attention towards those attributes effectively weighted in favour of Aguero's position, that is what good managers do. Jose never discarded Drogba in 2004 when it turned out that the Ivorian can't even trap the ball well. He focused on his strengths and made him the most feared forward in England.

No be to dey come here dey yarn craps like Aguero's style is outdated and he needs to adapt to Pep's style and blah blah.

Only a foolish manager who is obsessed with a useless philosophy deems it right to bench a proven forward 'cos he can't maraude the whole pitch.

...........

Nihilist:
Aguero MOTM

Oh well, we were told by a seasoned German pundit on this forum that he's finished and his style of play, outdated.

How is he still scoring? Something isn't right somewhere, Kun Agu must have upgraded his style of play to a newer version

Nigggas with hindsight keep typing crap to sound knowledgeable.

You cant really blame them, it's a big societal issue, one that needs to be addressed asap.

An average Nigerian believes indulging in sex places him ahead of others both in class and knowledge. The average naija chick who is being penetrated every day by different sizes of p***s believes she's sharper and wiser than that chick who shys away from sex.

Its a societal problem. Good to know it let some mofos down at the BBnaija.

Manyoo have won twice at Chelsea in 15 years, and one of them was against nine men with an offside goal. Bogiest ground around.

Bring the scums on!

Nihilist:
Lol

At all. The story behind that comment is funny small sha. I remembered from Things Fall Apart that Okonkwo had a title that certified him a genuine killer. I think the title was Odogwu. Anyway there was a boy in my class in secondary school whose last name was Odogwu but all the igbo guys used to call him Ogbu Mmadu, because dude was really about that thug life. It was just a reflex action typing that comment. I no sabi Igbo at all

Hehehehe. I come just dey wonder.

Nihilist:
Costa the Costa. Ogbu Mmadu

Nigga you enroll for Igbo class? Ayam not understanding

timbros:
There is no other way to put it. You directly linked the Serie A slow pace to the 2006 scandal. That's very wrong and you know it. From time immemorial we know Serie A as a highly tactical and slow paced league. Even before 2006.

I might not have closely followed the Italian league pre 2006 but I am pretty sure many teams took to slow and defensive approach post 2006.

I can confidently point to the scandal of 2006 as a determinant because it was after the calciopoli that 30 players who had played in the 2006 World Cup, left the Italian league for other leagues. That mass exodus of talent went largely unreplaced, leaving Italian teams scrambling to put together teams that could compete both domestically and in Europe. Many took to defensive approach and that is a fact.

I doubt Carlo's Milan were slow paced in the 2000s, they were more of an counter-attacking side. I doubt Juve were slow paced and defensive when Lippi and Capello were in charge. So?

timbros:
Using Ciro Immobile as an example to show that Belotti will struggle outside Italy is flawed that's why I mentioned Luca Toni. Interestingly you skipped that part.

You're always quick to conclude. Go through my post again, I said it's a big If whether Belotti would thrive in another league, given that he might be benefitting from the slow paced Serie A.

That If could have still applied to Toni if we were making an argument on him prior to his switch to Bayern.

This is simple to understand.

timbros:
If Dybala playing for Juve is the reason why he can succeed outside Italy, DId Zlatan play for either Juve, Roma or Napoli? Didn't he succeed outside Italy?

Zlatan played for Juve when they were calling the shots in Italy and Inter post-Calciopoli era when they ruthlessly owned the Serie A.

So yes, the education he received at the two big clubs definitely helped shape his career and that is the point I am making with Dybala.

Dybala is getting a very good football education at Juventus, his chances of suceeding elsewhere is being enhanced. Belotti is doing good at Torino, but how strong is the education? Are Torino renowned for producing great strikers? The last time their product won the golden boot in Italy, he was declared missing in Germany the next season. So just like Immobile, Belotti's run could be a one- season wonder, who knows. We've seen that with players who came through the ranks of relatively 'small teams' hence I asserted, getting such players is a risk.

If you were to be an employer, who would you trust with an appoinment, a first class student (Bellotti) of Unilag (Torino) or a first class student (Dybala) of Harvard (Juventus)?

timbros:
Bundesliga top scorer (24) in his first season. Overall in his first season 39 goals and 12 assists in 46 matches for someone coming from a 'slow tempo' league, a league where Ciro spelled out his surname is definitely GREAT.

Was Zlatan ever great outside/post Serie A?

Someone here mentioned Dybala as a perfect buy for Chelsea. Remind me again where he plays?

Go through my post again and stop yarning anyhow.

I would have any fella from Juve, Roma or Napoli because there's a gulf difference in their style of play compared to the other teams in Italy.

This is not to mention that they are playing in Europe, thereby, exposing their players to tougher challenges. This is something you cant say about Torino and Belotti.

timbros:
Are you saying that Serie A only became 'slow and tactical' after the 2006 scandal? ? ?

Don't forget that for every Ciro Immobile there is a Luca Toni.

I don't care how you put it, just know it that the current struggling state of Italian football can be traced back to calciopoli - the 2006 scandal.

Brestar:
Juventus wouldn't even accept £70m. He's like their Golden Boy. Best deal would be signing Belotti..

Well, if you must know, Italian football is on the decline, and one would be shopping there at his own risk.

After the scandal of 2006, when it was proved that some teams were involved in match-fixing, foreign investors ditched the league, leaving Italians to manage their league. That was when it all started going downhill.

Good players had to move to leagues where the money is, leaving the quality of football in Italy to decline significantly. So in order to stay competitive in Europe, Italians switched to more defensive football and enforced the famous Catenaccio. Reason Italian football seems to look slow and tactical.

The players who currently seem to be making waves there, are the ones who're benefitting from the setup; slow tempo and tactical footie. Acquiring them can be a risk because you cant really tell if they'll thrive where the tempo is fast and where individual technique is placed above collective tactical setup.

We saw that with Ciro until he joined Dortmund and spelt out his surname, Immobile. I can only hope that isn't the case with this Belotti guy.

If he were to be with Juventus, Roma or even Napoli, sides who tend to move the ball quicker in Italy, I might consider signing him, but Torino? Nah nah baby.

Na to sign this Dybala boy be the koko.

Boy has got some serious great technique and a good workrate too. With him on the right side of our attack and Hazard on the left, na fire be that.

Wouldn't mind paying 60milla for him, then get to cash on Willian to recoup some loss.

Kid could become the next Leonardo Da Vinci, but here are some nitwits with idiotic mentality limiting him.

So he should settle for mediocrity by drawing inspirations from Cows etc?

Fools!

Mark Clattenburg

Arsenal just became the first English club to concede 200 goals in the UEFA Champions League.

Still no winners medal.

Nothing special about this Bayern team.

Funlordmaniac:
Na private jet level we dey now oh! You no hear say whistle blowing don finally pay niggas?

Sho...Make una involve me for the next looting unraveling na.

Funlordmaniac:
Top of the league and see them still crying over nothing? Na wa for you these blue tossers sha! Anyway MATIC IS GOING NOWHERE and he shall remain as 1st choice in that your midfield till pre season at least!

Now who needs a ride to the gbedu we are planning on hosting at the gayners thread tonight!

Una board bus wey go carry people from here go that thread? I no hold TP for here.

Wash the damn plates with sponge and your british accent.

Nihilist:
Exactly. Matic is in the team based on what he is supposed to be doing. You may have a point with that tackling angle though. The only issue is Verrati is not a monster. As small as Kante is, he is still taller and heavier than Verrati. Verratti is very close to the ground. If you were in the same room with him, you might mistake him for a coffee table and rest your glass of ciroc on his head. I cannot see how Conte will play such a a guy over Matic. I really can't.

Hehehe. I dont care about the height, I've seen the ninja intimidate taller folks.

Nihilist:
I bet Matic can't believe he works at a club where he benches Fabregas either..

Why wont he believe it? He is more physical and has never been out-tackled by Cesc.

You go lose that bet.

Nihilist:
What you will have is in all honesty irrelevant. The Koko is what Conte will have. I would have Fabregas in our current 3-4-3, but regardless of his almost guaranteed assists or goal in all the games he's played so far this season, Conte still feels that a misfiring bean pole is the way to go.

This suggests to me that Conte does not want, need, or really reckon with creative type midfielders in his current 343 setup.

Dont blame Conte, blame the setup.

The 3-4-3 has enough attacking firepower that it doesnt really need a creative CM in its midfield. Basically, what you need is two monsters to win you back possession and make a quick transition to the five guys upfront (full-backs included).

Matic was averaging 3.5 tackles per game last two years, you can't possibly drop him for Cesc who has never featured on the top tacklers list ever. Matic's excellent track record is why he's starting games not really Conte's preference.

If Conte sees a ninja with a better track record, in this case, Veratti, Matic is heading straight to the bench.

Nihilist:
My point is that Conte will still play Matic over Veratti. And I'm basing this on the evidence before me. Matic isn't in the team based on what he brings to the team (which as we have seen in recent matches is the square root of fuckall), Matic is in the team because of what he is supposed to bring to the team which is an important enough distinction. Matic starting over Fabregas is not justified by match performances, so it stands to reason that Conte does not believe there's a place for a non-physical playmaker in his current system regardless of form. That's why I'm pretty sure that Matic will start over Veratti no matter what.

Veratti is in possession of that which Matic is supposed to bring to the pitch. The Serbian can't bench him anywhere on earth.

Nihilist:
Marco Verrati is not a hybrid of Fab and Matic. He is a playmaker in the mold of Fabregas but arguably not even as good.

Veratti didn't do anything that Fabregas would not have done yesterday, especially with Matudi and Rabiot doing hatchet jobs in that midfield to protect him.

If we sign Veratti today, Conte will still play Matic ahead of him based on 'defensive stability'. Not only is he a Fab clone, he is also a midget.

For my central midfield duties, I'll have Veratti. For my 3-4-3, I'll have Veratti.

There are few CMs out there who can win you back possession in few minutes and get to retain it. Veratti tops that list for me. He's no Cesc's clone, he is much effective.

Last nite, he was heavily involved in the hatchet job that was carried out in that midfield, recording a 90% pass accuracy in the process.

Did you know, Marco Verratti has never lost a UCL home game as a PSG player? No be today I begin dey eye that dude walahi.

Brestar:
I really do think we need a new striker. Scenes if we get Belotti, He is much more talented than Diego. I just hope this is one of those "fake news" from The Sun. We need those £80m.

It's not a speculation, the deal is happening. Costa has proven himself at the bridge, lets just keep him. Batman is a good back-up, we can only get to bolster that department by recalling Tammy.

We dont have to splash cash addressing a non-existent problem.

nateevs:
Now let's go get the "middle ground" man between Fabregas and Matic - Marco V.

Unfortunately, Marco V wants a Barca move.

A £220k weekly pay has been agreed in principle and Diego Costa stays. . .

Lets put to bed the Morata, Lukaku, Bellotti and Lacasera talks, shall we?