TenQ:

This is why I always ask Muslims to translate the Arabic phrase below as they always reject my own translation.

How will you translate the script below

Phrase:
إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥

Apart from the subject itself the preposition on shows pray doesn't fit the context of the verse you are mistranslating... But whatever rocks your boat

Thank God you know even google is not on your side now...

TenQ:

Okay, let's move on

Here below is the Arabic phrase I asked you to translate
Phrase:
إِنَّ عيسى وَمَلَـٰۤىِٕكَتَهُۥ یُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِیِّۚ یَـٰۤأَیُّهَا ٱلَّذِینَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَیۡهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسۡلِیمًا ۝٥

Is the translation below of the Arabic verse above wrong?

Translation:
Indeed, Jesus and his cohort [angels] pray to the Prophet, O you who have believed, pray for him, and may the peace and blessings of God be upon him


Here below is am ACTUAL correct Quranic verse

Qur'an 33:56
إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ وَمَلَـٰٓئِكَتَهُۥ يُصَلُّونَ عَلَى ٱلنَّبِىِّ ۚ يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ صَلُّوا۟ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلِّمُوا۟ تَسْلِيمًا ٥٦

Which of these THREE translation of Qur'an 33:56 is correct?
1. Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, God and His angels pray (yusalloona) to the prophet. O ye who believe! pray for him (salloo) and salute him with a salutation!

2. Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allah and his angels pray to the Prophet, O you who have believed, pray for him, and may the peace and blessings of God be upon him

3. Qur'an 33:56
Indeed, Allah and his angels pray to the Prophet, O you who have believed, pray for him, and may the peace and blessings of God be upon him

Thank you

Ask prophet Google na why disturb Muslims and post the Google translate simple that is what you are told...

There is no English equivalent word for Salah it derive it's meaning based on context....

Praise, confer blessings, get close to, pray can be it's meaning based on context and pray doesn't fit the context maybe you should teach google...


Infact the preposition on (عَلَى) itself shows it can't be pray... You inserted to in the verse instead of on ...

Sixfiguresmart:
right there is the plan of muslims. Sir, islam as you know it breathes under intense violence and aggression. The primetime for islam is dead gone. If you think that you can usurp the rulers of these world, wait until the actual awakening to see how the snake that you feed turn around to bite.

You have projected your islam with lies that are being debunked now. As an ex-muslim, I ran out with my head on my neck cos I saw the light. Thanks to the apostate muslims that I met within the muslim community. It is a swelling number of them. Islam is imploding. Number is not substance.

The reason why we know so much about islam today, is the apostates who left. Today, there is an avalanche of second generation muslim immigrants that are leaving islam. islam would have grown larger than this but now with the internet, people can see the lies clearly as we reveal to you.

meanwhile, define "Messiah".

So it is the christians population that is growing right isn't it I guess christians are starting to see through the lies of christianity.... Talk with sense na since you are trying to sell your religion you have to provide a religion that is better

Sixfiguresmart:
I quoted the surah up there. Is that not enough? Need I spoon feed you? Did the revelation come before or after the destruction of the 360 gods?

The Allah/Elohim of Muhammad the God of Abrahama claims he has no daughter nor son.... So it doesn't matter to me..

Sixfiguresmart:
I asked a question on the content. I didn't provide any analysis. So, how is there a removal of context?

allah said that he has a livelihood and he is under punishment. What is his livelihood and who gave him the punichment?

Do you want an answer? if yes post its preceeding and proceeding verses if you are truthful..

Sixfiguresmart:
No one cares to who a religion is tied. We are here and if you have no time get away from nairaland and face your work. do not come here to nag about time. everyone is as busy as you imagine too. provide the necessary answer and stop with your insanely long apocalyptic epistle of uncorroborated stories.

"In Sura 53:19 we read 'Have you considered al Lat and al- Uzza and Manat the third other?' This was once followed by the words 'Verily they are the exalted maidens (gharaniq, also translated 'cranes') and their intercession is to be hoped for' ('is approved' in another version). The earliest authority on the life of Mohammed (i.e. Ibn Hisham) asserts that these words were uttered by Mohammed at the instigation of Satan."

Were these 3 maidens destroyed after this revelation in the kaaba, or before it?

Bring a sahih source then we can talk...

Sixfiguresmart:
Sir, it is a simple question. Since you corrected him, I am asking if you have the KNOWLEDGE. Are you a MAN OF KNOWLEDGE? How did you know that you was wrong? Do you have the knowledge to detect a wrong insertion?

Was Mohammed wrong to have taught Muslims the Satanic verses?

When allah said that he is under punishment, was allah wrong?

Both Hadith the one he posted and mine were sayings of the same man... So it is expected that he has the same view...

So again it explained it much better...

On punishment issue: You took the Quran out of context why not post the preceeding and proceeding verses before and after if you are truthful...

Sixfiguresmart:
According to the so-called authentic Islamic reports there wasn’t one standard way of reciting the Quran, but multiple ways, which caused confusion even among Muhammad’s closest companions!

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 041, Number 601

Narrated by Umar bin Al Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven ahruf, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."

which Ahruf do you recite? Do you now agree that there are so many variances in the quran?

Reading a particular book in American English or British English which is correct and which is wrong... It is the same Quran recited in different dialect....


When we talk about different versions of bibles this is what is meant now I want you to read the preface of R.S.V bible and clear your head so you will know what variance mean. Take a back seat and read this below

Preface to the Revised Standard Version
(2nd ed., 1971)
The Revised Standard Version of the Bible is an authorized revision of the American Standard Version, published in 1901, which was a revision of the King James Version, published in 1611.

The first English version of the Scriptures made by direct translation from the original Hebrew and Greek, and the first to be printed, was the work of William Tyndale. He met bitter opposition. He was accused of willfully perverting the meaning of the Scriptures, and his New Testaments were ordered to be burned as “untrue translations.” He was finally betrayed into the hands of his enemies, and in October 1536, was publicly executed and burned at the stake.

Yet Tyndale’s work became the foundation of subsequent English versions, notably those of Coverdale, 1535; Thomas Matthew (probably a pseudonym for John Rogers), 1537; the Great Bible, 1539; the Geneva Bible, 1560; and the Bishops’ Bible, 1568. In 1582, a translation of the New Testament, made from the Latin Vulgate by Roman Catholic scholars, was published at Rheims.

The translators who made the King James Version took into account all of these preceding versions; and comparison shows that it owes something to each of them. It kept felicitous phrases and apt expressions, from whatever source, which had stood the test of public usage. It owed most, especially in the New Testament, to Tyndale.

The King James Version had to compete with the Geneva Bible in popular use; but in the end it prevailed, and for more than two and a half centuries no other authorized translation of the Bible into English was made. The King James Version became the “Authorized Version” of the English-speaking peoples.

The King James Version has with good reason been termed “the noblest monument of English prose.” Its revisers in 1881 expressed admiration for “its simplicity, its dignity, its power, its happy turns of expression ... the music of it cadences, and the felicities of its rhythm.” It entered, as no other book has, into the making of the personal character and the public institutions of the English-speaking peoples. We owe to it an incalculable debt.

Yet the King James Version has grave defects. By the middle of the nineteenth century, the development of Biblical studies and the discovery of many manuscripts more ancient than those upon which the King James Version was based, made it manifest that these defects are so many and so serious as to call for revision of the English translation. The task was undertaken, by authority of the Church of England, in 1870. The English Revised Version of the Bible was published in 1881-1885; and the American Standard Version, its variant embodying the preferences of the American scholars associated in the work, was published in 1901.

Because of unhappy experience with unauthorized publications in the two decades between 1881 and 1901, which tampered with the text of the English Revised Version in the supposed interest of the American public, the American Standard Version was copyrighted, to protect the text from unauthorized changes. In 1928, this copyright was acquired by the International Council of ......



http://www.bible-researcher.com/rsvpreface.html

Sixfiguresmart:
This one knows nothing about islam. they are bottle feeders. I have seen you online for over an hour now. You have no answer but the ones that you just read online now.

The word of God meant in this verse is the Quran. This word is complete in truth and justice. Nothing can change Allah’s word which he revealed in his BOOKS. The liars cannot add or delete from Allah’s BOOKS. This is referring without a doubt to the Jews and Christians because they are the people of the books which were revealed to their prophets. Allah is revealing that the words they (the people of the book) are corrupting were not revealed by Allah, but Allah’s word cannot be changed or substituted. (Tafsir al-Tabari, Q. 6:115; bold and capital emphasis ours)

Answer to what exactly I have other things I spend my time on must you be a Muslim I don't understand... To you is your religion and to us is ours no Muslim is complaining...

The Byzantines will Rebound
Despite being isolated by seemingly endless deserts, and largely unaffected by the power struggles of the world’s superpowers, the Qur’an boldly foretold the most unexpected events that would transpire between Persia and Byzantium in a few short years. “The Byzantines have been defeated. In the nearest land. But they, after their defeat, will triumph. Within three to nine years.” [ar-Rūm 30: 2-4] From 613-619 CE, the Byzantines were absolutely decimated by the Persian Empire, losing the territories of Antioch, then Damascus, then Armenia, then their most cherished Jerusalem, then Chalcedon, and finally Egypt. In his book, The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, Edward Gibbon says, “At the time when this prediction is said to have been delivered, no prophecy could be more distant from its accomplishment, since the first twelve years of Heraclius announced the approaching dissolution of the empire.”2 Everyone saw Byzantium as on its deathbed; thus opponents of the Prophet ﷺ like Ubayy b. Khalaf mocked this “preposterous” foretelling in the Qur’an. However, not long after, Heraclius led the Byzantine Crusade like a dagger into the heart of the Persian Empire, fulfilling the amazing prophecy 6-8 years after it was uttered.

The verses that immediately follow this prediction say, “The decision of the matter, before and after [these events], is only with Allah. And on that Day, the believers (i.e., Muslims) will rejoice in the victory of Allah.” [ar-Rūm 30: 4-5] Abu Ḥayyān al-Andalūsi (d. 1344) lists in al-Baḥr al-Muḥīṭ four reasons for this rejoicing, of them being that the miraculous prophecy unfolding would further validate their belief in his prophethood. Another reason, which involves another prophecy, is the Muslims would at that time find themselves celebrating their own victory: a long-awaited triumph against the Meccan oppressors in the Battle of Badr happened in 624 as well. It suddenly becomes quite clear why God seals Sūrat ar-Rūm by saying, “So be patient. Indeed, the promise of Allah is truth. And let them not unnerve you who are not certain [in faith].” [ar-Rūm 30: 60]

Sixfiguresmart:
Oh, so you have knowledge? Are you a man of knowledge? Did you explain it with what spirit? What qualifies you to provide explanations of this sort? How did you know that he didn't understand it?

He knew he was wrong else he would have replied

Sixfiguresmart:

According to the so-called authentic Islamic reports there wasn’t one standard way of reciting the Quran, but multiple ways, which caused confusion even among Muhammad’s closest companions!

Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 041, Number 601

Narrated by Umar bin Al Khattab: I heard Hisham bin Hakim bin Hizam reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to that of mine. Allah's Apostle had taught it to me (in a different way). So, I was about to quarrel with him (during the prayer) but I waited till he finished, then I tied his garment round his neck and seized him by it and brought him to Allah's Apostle and said, “I have heard him reciting Surat-al-Furqan in a way different to the way you taught it to me.” The Prophet ordered me to release him and asked Hisham to recite it. When he recited it, Allah's Apostle said, "It was revealed in this way." He then asked me to recite it. When I recited it, he said, "It was revealed in this way. The Qur'an has been revealed in seven ahruf, so recite it in the way that is easier for you."

And so?

Sixfiguresmart:

What is he coming as?

Messiah

Sixfiguresmart:

And, what prophecies did mohammed make?

The Globalization of Islam
Amidst the fiercest persecution and abuse that the Muslims faced in the earliest Meccan period, the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ would stand without wavering and convey to his followers God’s promise of Islam spreading all over the world. Tamīm ad-Dāri (rA) reports that the Messenger of Allah ﷺ said, “This matter will certainly reach every place touched by the night and day. Allah will not leave a house of mud or [even] fur except that Allah will cause this religion to enter it, by which the honorable will be honored and the disgraceful will be disgraced. Allah will honor the honorable with Islam and he will disgrace the disgraceful with unbelief.” 3 In another narration, reported by Thawbān (rA), “Indeed, Allah gathered up the earth for me so that I saw its east and its west; and indeed the dominion of my nation will reach what was gathered up for me from it.”


The fact that these predictions were made at a time when Muslims were a powerless handful, and Islam was expected to be buried in its cradle, is nothing short of miraculous. At that point, presuming that the faith would even survive would be considered by most nothing short of a pipe-dream. But to predict that Islam would not just survive, but grow to thrive globally, was at that point inconceivable. For us nowadays, witnessing a quarter of this planet’s population as subscribers to Islam makes it clear that this was no presumption, but instead another prophecy inspired by the Divine.

TenQ:

But they are separate hadiths.

One Narrated By ‘Ikrima from Ibn ‘Abbas and the other by Narrated Abu Dhar from different occasions.

How do we know which of the two hadiths explain the other?

From the Quran we know this

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"Satan threatens you with poverty and orders you to immorality, while Allah promises you forgiveness from Him and bounty. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Knowing."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 268)


Morover the Hadith is a report from the same person so it is logical that he would have the same point of view....

TenQ:

Is this true or another Taqqiyya?

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.

This hadith seem to say differently sir!

Do you believe in destiny?

Allah knows what one will become before being born .. destiny can be changed by evil forces so we all need to follow instructions/commandment from God to make sure our destiny changes for good.

God has sent prophets and messages whosoever follows the prophets and message will be saved, following Gods commandment takes ones heart away from immoral activities even if it is ones Destiny.

So destinies can change for good and whosoever repents and follow Gods commandment will make paradise..

TenQ:


Are you saying that

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Hadith Number 800B
ABROGATED
Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 329 : ?

No, I am saying it even explains it better....

Sixfiguresmart:
You cannot answer for your allah. I asked you cos Antichristian said that allah is ahad while myislam said wahid. So, I need your confirmation.

again can you throw more light on mahdi. Is he a prophet a messenger or a messiah?

Is islam a family affair?

when you answer whether Jehovah is wahid or ahad there lies your answer...

Prophet Muhammad will be the last prophet simple so use your head..

Messiah was already ordained a prophet before prophet Muhammad...

In John 1:19-28, John the Baptist is asked if he is Elijah, and he denies that he is Elijah (or the Prophet or the Christ).

He isn't comming as a prophet but Christ even the Jews knows this....

Sixfiguresmart:
So the hadith that he posted earlier is wrong. Ain't it?

it wasn't wrong he didn't understand it and I explained to him...

TenQ:

Saved by grace means saved by GOD's MERCY because no one can pay for his sin against God!

the Hadith teaches repentance of sin then get saved by Gods mercy ..

Sixfiguresmart:
Is allah wahid or ahad?

Will Madhi be a messenger, a messiah, a prophet or a sender.

is Jehovah wahid or ahad?

FxMasterz:
Sahih Bukhari , Book 23, Number 329:

Narrated Abu Dhar:

Allah's Apostle said, "Someone came to me from my Lord and gave me the news (or good tidings) that if any of my followers dies worshipping none (in any way) along with Allah, he will enter Paradise." I asked, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft?" He replied, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft."

Sixfiguresmart and TenQ should kindly help them out.

Save by grace of God... It means if anyone should repent at the before death his/her sins will be forgiving. Check the Hadith below for better clarification...

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Hadith Number 800B

Narrated By ‘Ikrima from Ibn ‘Abbas : Allah’s Apostles said, “When a slave (of Allah) commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at the time of committing it; and if he steals, he is not a believer at the time of stealing; and if he drinks an alcoholic drink, when he is not a believer at the time of drinking it; and he is not a believer when he commits a murder,” ‘Ikrima said: I asked Ibn Abbas, “How is faith taken away from him?” He said, Like this,” by clasping his hands and then separating them, and added, “But if he repents, faith returns to him like this, by clasping his hands again.

TenQ:

Aren't these hadiths self explanatory!?

Volume 2, Book 23, Number 329 :
Narrated by Abu Dhar
Allah's Apostle said, "Someone came to me from my Lord and gave me the news (or good tidings) that if any of my followers dies worshipping none (in any way) along with Allah, he will enter Paradise." I asked, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft?" He replied, "Even if he committed illegal sexual intercourse (adultery) and theft."


1. Does this particular hadith need a special interpretation?
2. What else do you think the hadith means?

Save by grace of God... It means if anyone should repent at the point of death his/her sins will be forgiving. Check the Hadith below for better clarification...

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 82, Hadith Number 800B

Narrated By ‘Ikrima from Ibn ‘Abbas : Allah’s Apostles said, “When a slave (of Allah) commits illegal sexual intercourse, he is not a believer at the time of committing it; and if he steals, he is not a believer at the time of stealing; and if he drinks an alcoholic drink, when he is not a believer at the time of drinking it; and he is not a believer when he commits a murder,” ‘Ikrima said: I asked Ibn Abbas, “How is faith taken away from him?” He said, Like this,” by clasping his hands and then separating them, and added, “But if he repents, faith returns to him like this, by clasping his hands again.

Sixfiguresmart:
The same Sahih (truth) book have conflicting ages. So, how do you trust this book on other issues?

The Hadith was report from the prophet written by men. Mind you the Hadith has chain of narrations that could be traced to the prophet himself while the bible had none (unknown authors) that doesn't mean the Hadith is 100% infallible only the Quran is infallible in Islam but we do accept sahih Hadith due to the fact that it has chain of narrations traced to the prophet. Do you now understand why the holy bible can't be trusted due to its conflicting report on death and resurrection of Jesus and others by unknown authors

1. Who went to the tomb?

Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome (Mark 16:1)
Mary Magdalene and another Mary (Matthew 28:1)
Women who had accompanied Jesus from Galilee to Jerusalem – possibly Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and “other women” (Luke 23:55)
Mary Magdalene the first time, bringing Simon Peter and the “other” disciple with her the second time (John 20:1-3)


2. Had the stone already been rolled away or not?

It had already been rolled away (Mark 16:4; Luke 24:2; John 20:1)
It was rolled away by an angel after an earthquake upon the women’s arrival (John 28:2)

3. What did they see there?

One young man in a “white robe” sitting on the stone bed (Mark 16:5)
Two men in bright clothes appeared standing beside them (Luke 24:4)
An angel sitting on top of the stone (Matthew 28:5)
Mary saw no one the first time, but then after Simon Peter and the other disciple left, two angels appeared to her inside the temple, sitting on the stone bed (John 20:12)

4. What were they told?

To tell the disciples to “go to Galilee,” where Jesus will meet them (Mark 16:7; Matthew 28:7)
Remember what Jesus had told them “while he was in Galilee,” that he had to die and rise again (Luke 24:7)
She was to tell the disciples that he has risen (John 20:17)

5. What do the women/Mary do next?

*They fled and “said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid” (Mark 16:. The original gospel ends there! Our earliest and best manuscripts do not have the traditional ending – or a shorter ending found in other manuscripts.
Tell the eleven disciples what happened (Matthew 28:
Tell the eleven disciples and other people what happened (Luke 24:
Mary tells disciples what she had seen and heard (John 20:18)

6. What were those told do in response?

They were not told originally. In the extended ending they do not believe her (16:11)
They Depart to Galilee (Matthew 28:16)
They do not believe the women because it seems to be “an idle tale” (Luke 24:11)
Nothing, since Jesus soon appears (John 20:19)

7. How does Jesus appear to the disciples?

He doesn’t originally. In the extended ending he appears to two of them as they were walking “into the country.” They then told the remaining disciples but again they didn’t believe. Jesus then appeared to all 11 during a meal (Mark 16:12-14).
On a mountain in Galilee (Matthew 28:17)
In Jerusalem (Luke 24:33-36). He then took them out to Bethany where he blessed them and lifted up to heaven (Luke 24:50-51).
He appears the same day that evening “where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews” (John 20:19)



Question: why do you believe the bible despite so many contradictions despite claims of it being inspired by the holy spirit and unknown authors as we can't trace the book to Jesus

Where is Ezenwa?

MrPRevailer:


See you saying you are proud of your religion after reading those things Mohammed did.

It's shows you don't think critically. Religious blindness.
You think your religion is the only one that believes in One God?

It isn't my fault if he lacks understanding or misinterpretes I don't see logic in things he post he is only posting to spite muslims..

Sixfiguresmart:
We accept the Bible as truth and we are not scared ot threatened to read its content. Why do you fret and het aggressive when the quran quran. Why can't you accept what is written in it and be proud.

E.g allah worshipped mohammed. Allah wished and prayed. Allah is serving punishment. Allah has livelihood. And that mohammed at 63 died on a 18 year old teen after seksing and deefiling her for 12 years. Thighed her for 3 years penetrated her undeveloped vagina for 9 years. Are you proud of these ?

We are happy with our religion so what is your problem.. Allah is the creator and Muhammad is one of his messenger Simple...

You don't have to believe do you. Worship your God and let us worship ours why show sign of Insecurity and Jealousy...

I am sure someone who is convinced of his own religion won't do this. You realized Christianity is going on a downward spiral you look for a religion that is on the upside interms of acceptance and you just want use that opportunity to attack Islam so that your fellow christians who would not research from the right source wont find the way...

Everyone is entitled to his own beliefs...

When people/human see truth they would know themselves you don't have to force it...

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"And say, "Truth has come, and falsehood has departed. Indeed is falsehood, [by nature], ever bound to depart.
(QS. Al-Israa 17: Verse 81)

TenQ:

Of course, Christians have been consistent with their position that the Messiah is GOD WITH US the same Jesus the Christ! But Muslims would like to manufacture three gods for Christians so that they can have an argument.
Qur'an 5:72
They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is Christ, the son of Mary. Say, “Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?” ....


In other words, even the Qur'an testifies that Christians have been calling God as Christ! But they just have to manufacture three gods so that they can have a Strawman to fight!

is it only Islam that made this claim Jews whom are the predecessors of christianity, Unitarian christians e.g Jehovah witnesses also believe this I don't understand why you are obsessed with islam?

According to trinity

Jesus (son) is God (Allah)

YHVH (Father) is God (Allah)

Holy spirit is God (Allah)

But all are not the same...

Mathew 24vs36
New American Standard Bible
“But about that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.

But you want us to believe the Father and the Son are the same...


Also the Quran never said christians worship 3gods but it says do not say three (trinity)

Sixfiguresmart:
The fact is many people converted without knowing what Islam really is. That is why ex-muslims hate them so hard cos they are very dirty. They conceal the truth from people.

Lol very funny christians only if TENQ and sixfiguresmart knew that there beliefs oppose each other.

I challenge both TENQ and sixfiguresmart to table their doctrine and belief about God and Christ then you will realize both of them are lost and are parallel lines that can never meet even though they both answer to the name christian and supports each other against Muslims.

Instead of you christians to bring out a table and issue out your problems you are busy with Islam. One would have thought both TENQ and Sixfiguresmart believe in the same God since they both answer to the name christians.

If christians can't even convince themselves on what Jesus message was yet trying to teach Muslims isn't this madness...

The bible supports all doctrine there is no doctrine you are looking for in the bible that you won't find hence why Christianity will continue to be a lost group till Jesus come...

TenQ:


Aren't you being a little deceptive by using the Bible as your evidence even when you know that the language and culture are vastly different!?

In the Bible, YHWH is called by the titles LORD, LORD GOD or LORD GOD ALMIGHTY!
Jesus is also called Lord, in the Bible. In fact, anyone who is a Master, Teacher, Leader could be called Lord in the bible.

1. Now, the question is, in the Qur'an, is there anyone else that is called by the title LORD apart from Allah?

Does it change the fact the word Lord is not the same as God?

The word lord and God was used in the same verse differently. ALLAH In the Quran says he is the Lord of the heavens and the Earth (Worlds). But in this verse the lord is plain with nothing attached to it....

TenQ:


2. Is it Islamically correct to associate PARTNERSHIP with Allah in terms of Lordship?

As Muslims we can't associate partner with Allah nor worship any other apart from Allah but we are told to obey Allah and his messengers?

TenQ:

3. Are Muslims ALLOWED by Allah to have ANOTHER LORD with ALLAH?
Because, the verse says:
They have taken their rabbis and monks as lords besides God and Christ son of Mary...

No Muslims are not suppose to have another LORD OF THE HEAVENS AND THE EARTH but Muslims are expected to follow the footsteps of the prophets sent to them. The messengers such as Jesus and Muhammad as Leaders and Teacher and the all taught the worship of one God.

TenQ:

Allah is against the Jews and Christians for taking their rabbis and monks as Lords INSTEAD Allah and the Messiah!

Yes Allah is against the Jews for taking their Leaders as masters instead of Jesus which means they weren't following the message of Jesus of which he commanded them to worship one God rather they follow the doctrines of men (trinity)...

TenQ:

4. Finally, why do you think ALMOST every English translation of the Qur'an forcefully MISTRANSLATES Qur'an 9:31

The verse is plain worship one God and GOD was distinguished from Christ in that same verse.


They have taken their rabbis and monks as lords besides God and Christ son of Mary, and they were not commanded but to worship one God. There is no god but He...


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 32)

TenQ:

The keyword besides CONNOTES a COMPARISON!

Does saying believe in Allah and his messenger connotes comparison that's because you have to obey Allah and his messengers does not mean the messenger is God.

TenQ:

The keyword and CONNOTES a PARTNERSHIP!

Does saying Obey Allah and his messenger connotes partnership rather Allah warns and teach mankind through his prophets...

TenQ:

How else would you explain the Arabic?
Could it be a mistake that crept into the Qur'an?
If it is NOT a mistake, could it be a CONTRADICTION (to the other verses of the Qur'an)?

Can you please answer these FOUR questions individually?

infact this verse below makes everything clearer and the States the view of Quran and Allah concerning Jesus

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

Sixfiguresmart:
The Gospel was revealed to Jesus according to Quran and not Paul


1 Corinthians 8:5-6 clearly informs Christians that there are MANY GODS. But it went further to assert that TO CHRISTIANS, there is ONLY ONE GOD, the Father.

So, the context is based on faith in the father and the son. If you lack this faith, then your God can be anything.

So where did majority of christians got their doctrine from who started it that the Son is God also Holy spirit is God then you will understand this verse clearly if you use reason.

Do you mean the Son is a False God?


They have taken their rabbis and monks as lords besides God and Christ son of Mary, and they were not commanded but to worship one God. There is no god but He...


The verse is telling you christians that your faith is based on doctrines of men and not what Jesus taught....


Question: 1. When did the doctrine that the Son was God started and who started it?

2. What happened at the council of Nicea?

3. The Catholics whom selected the books of the bible where did they get their doctrine that Holy Mary is the mother of God?

4. What church denomination do you attend I want to know the christians who shared the same line of thought with you

TenQ:
Muslim "dawarists" can lie for Africa.

Are Muslims ALLOWED by Allah to have ANOTHER LORD with ALLAH?
Is this not associating PARTNER with Allah?



Below is the Literal Translation !
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LegalWolf
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Watinani:


1. Explain how this verse is NOT associating PARTNERSHIP with Allah?

2. As Muslims, is it a true statement that Jesus is YOUR LORD?

Does the word Lord necessarily means God?

One's master/teacher can also be called Lord Jesus was a teacher to the children of isreal and he taught then to worship one God (his God)...

From that verse there is only one God which you are told to worship....

They have taken their rabbis and monks as lords besides God and Christ son of Mary, and they were not commanded but to worship one God. There is no god but He. Glory be to You.


Muslims are to believe in ALLAH and his messenger (sent to teach mankind the way of the lord).

Saying Christians today have taken their pastors as lords beside Jesus does not mean they worship their pastors but that they are following teachings and doctrines of men rather than Jesus.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

Sixfiguresmart:
surah 37:125
"Will you call upon Baal and forsake the Best of creator[b]S[/b]

Allah is referring to baal as A CREATOR. While in the Bible God constantly referred to Baal as lifeless and wooden. The Bible states that there is only one creator. Muslims have a polytheistic belief in the creator. They believe that there are MORE THAN ONE CREATORS.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
 
"And those they invoke other than Allah create nothing, and they [themselves] are created."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 20)

Question for sixfiguresmart

Who created nairaland/Robots/movie titled (Titanic) e.t.c and can this people create human and give life to him or make seed to germinate from the soil?

A footballer can create chances for his teammates..

they are creators in their right but the best of creators is God himself the one who gives life to those ones claiming creators and can take it when he wills also make seed to germinate, created the heavens and earth e.t.c...

Sixfiguresmart:
Ah, that is true. Wow, these guys are going really too far with this cover ups. let me break this translation down for you. They cannot conceal this.
ٱتَّخَذُوٓا۟ أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبَـٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًۭا مِّن دُونِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱلْمَسِيحَ
مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا۟ إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا۟ إِلَـٰهًۭا وَٰحِدًۭا ۖ لَّآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحَـٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ

I have broken it down and I checked now it passed. Try it again. Hahaha They will be exposed. They are all hiding now

. have taken their rabbis and monks as lords besides God and Christ son of
Mary, and they were not commanded but to worship one God. There is no god but He. Glory be to You.

John 17 vs 3
And this is this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.



This is the translation above can you remind me what your issue is again cos I can only see one God in this verse....


Question for sixfiguresmart

Is lord the same as God?

In the bible Yahwe is represented as The Lord and Jesus is called Lord, Kings are called lord's, A judge in court is called Lord, lord could mean teacher/master. There is one God according to Quran...

I think this verse below should clear you doubts on the stand of the Quran on Jesus being God or not... Jesus was sent by God hence a messenger of God.


Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs."
(QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 171)

Maynmann:
Answer my PREVIOUS questions too then we move on!

Where in that text mentioned “Christianity”?
The religion of the jews is Judaism.
It was christians that borrowed tanakh aka “the book” which they call Old Testament from Judaism.
Elohim and Allah means same thing and they are both children of El. The text is right.
Also, Scripture literally means Writings. The text was talking about “jewish writings” not “writings”.


Christians do you actually believe in your New Testament ? Do you believe that you and the Judaist have the same God?


Borrow borrow want to claim “the book” bwahahahah.

The chrestian should ponder on how the name Yeshua L'amaschiack turn to Jesus Christus. Like why will you change the name of your saviour when you know it irrespective of Location...


I wonder why they can't perform miracles with his original name but created name is doing wonders...