sagenaija:
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Abraham, Ishmael's father was a Jew. (Or has Islam changed the narrative as usual?).
Hagar, Ishmael's mother was an Egyptian. Hagar got Ishmael an Egyptian for a wife.
So, please explain how Ishmael's racial identity came to be what Islam wants us to believe.
How did he acquire the citizenship of a country and changed his racial identity?

On the humanity of Jesus Christ. His father was the God of Israel. His mother was a full-born Israelite. Her genealogy is there in the Bible. His human adopted father was also a complete Israelite. Hope that clarifies that for you.

what about muhammads mother then since you claim Jesus was isrealite because his mother was...

AllahIsGarbage:
According to the koran, allah created the heaven and the earth.


Surah 7:54
Allah created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six days

If allah cannot enter into his creation, how was able to descend into the heaven?

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 21, Hadith # 246:

Muhammad said, "Our Lord, the great, comes every night down to the lowest Heaven to us at the last third period of the night, calling, 'anyone in attendance to call upon Me, so that I may answer to his intercession? Is there any attendance anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him what he is asking me for? Is there anyone struggling for My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?'”

For me and for most intelligent human beings, there is nothing strange about the builder of a house being able to enter into the building he created.

But if allah's feet are tied from being able to walk into his creation, how is he able to enter into lowest heaven he created?

Didn't you see the post didn't Allah to speak with Moses was that not on earth the thing is no one has yet seen God...

The voice that spoke to Jesus from heaven that said "here is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased" did it descends to earth or not

He is all hearing, All seeing

Anis Khan

O Allah, Glory be to you, send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad, as You sent blessings upon Ibraaheem and upon the family of Ibraaheem; You are indeed Worthy of Praise, Full of Glory.


There are millions of reasons to love Allah. When we realize what it means to be alive, and what it means to have health, sunlight, air, food, water, and loved ones, we cannot stop thanking Allah for His countless blessings.

You don’t hate Allah, you hate our desperation for not having achieved what you wished. All of us have unfulfilled dreams and desires.

Often we get confused because we love some of the things in the worldly life more than Allah. We want Allah to fulfill all our wishes, and often in the pursuit of these wishes we become thankless for what we already have. Allah has to balance in fulfillment of wishes of all His creation, because if each one got what he wished there will be too much conflict in the world.

By default a human being is never satisfied. When one of his goals is achieved, he sets a bigger goal for himself. if you reflect upon your life, there might have been a number of wishes that came true, but one duaa which was not accepted makes you worried. Although no one can say that it will not be answered. As a believer and from my experience, I can say that all duaa are answered as long as we continue to invoke Allah.

If your religious problem has not been solved for three years, you should be thankful to Allah because He has saved you from bigger problems. Perhaps you don’t know what it means to sleep hungry, to sleep without shelter, to have a terminal disease, to be handicapped, to lose one’s child, to lose ones’ parents in young age or to lose any other loved one, to go through divorce, to be in jail, to be viciously attacked because you speak up for a just cause, to be away from the family, and so on.

Whenever you reflect upon it, you will surely know of someone who has gone through more terrible life and has been thankful to Allah.


All praise is for Allah, the Lord of the worlds.

sagenaija:
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Ishmael, yes.
Mohamed? His genealogy, as with virtually everything in Islam, has many sides to it.

Btw, Islamic sources say that Ishmael HAD TO LEARN Arabic. Hope you understand that. But, in case it skipped you, if Ishmael had to learn Arabic language doesn't that suggest to you that he identified as a different tribe? Then, even if Mohamed can be traced to him, what does that make Mohamed?

It makes Muhammad both descendant of Ishmael and an Arab. There are several ways of getting citizenship of a country which I beleive you know too well...



How did Jesus became an isrealite when he had no earthly father but mother I guess he is from another tribe?

AllahIsGarbage:
Let me ask you a question. Can allah enter into his creation?

Allah SWT said:

"And has the story of Moses reached you? -"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 9)

"When he saw a fire and said to his family, Stay here; indeed, I have perceived a fire; perhaps I can bring you a torch or find at the fire some guidance."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 10)

"And when he came to it, he was called, O Moses,"
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 11)

"Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so worship Me and establish prayer for My remembrance."
(QS. Taa-Haa 20: Verse 14)

Did he enter into his creation here?


1 John 4vs12

12 No man has at any time [yet] seen God. But if we love one another, God abides (lives and remains) in us and His love (that love which is essentially His) is brought to completion (to its full maturity, runs its full course, is perfected) in us!

The Question you should answer is has anyone seen Jesus (Your god) before ....

sagenaija:
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Are you some random chemicals moving around the whole place with scattered remarks and unable to focus on and directly address the issue of the thread?

what is the issue of the thread cos I am not understanding?

Are we the ones that said this

Genesis 17
20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard and heeded you: behold, I will bless him and will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly; He will be the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation.

AllahIsGarbage:
Even your Imams have disowned this explanation and I can dismantled it very easily.

In one of your Hadith it says that Allah comes down to sky every day at 3.00 a.m. in the morning to beg muslims to pray for him:

Sahih Al-Bukhari, Book 21, Hadith # 246:

Muhammad said, "Our Lord, the great, comes every night down to the lowest Heav en to us at the last third period of the night, calling, 'anyone in attendance to call upon Me, so that I may answer to his inter cession? Is there any attendance anyone to ask Me, so that I may grant him what he is asking me for? Is there anyone struggling for My forgiveness, so that I may forgive him?""

Reading this hadith carefully will lead us to a very clear under standing about Allah's science regarding the geology of the earth:

1. Allah comes down once every night.

2. He comes at the last third of the night.

3. The last third part of the night begins at 3.00 in the morning

Given that that there are several different time zones on earth, there is no way that the time will be 3.00 am everywhere at the same time. The only way that this would be possible would be if the earth is flat and it is obvious from this hadith that allah and his "prophet" believed that the earth is flat!

According to the Quran

1= Allah is very close to human: Quran [ch50,v17 partly -bismillah as #1]= …………..We are nearer to Him than (even) his jugular vein.


=> Thus coming to ‘heavens of world’ is a metaphor.

Conclusion

“Every night our Lord descends to heavens of world when……….” means Allah specially hears supplications of that time.

It is confirmed in:

About Night Prayers

Quran [ch32,v17–18]= Their sides keep away from beds and they call on their Lord in fear and hope and spend out what we have bestowed on them. — And no soul knows what joy of eyes is kept hidden for them as a reward of their good works.

AllahIsGarbage:
Oh boy, see lies!

Dahaha does NOT mean ostrich egg in the Quran.

Out of 6236 verses of the Quran, there is not one, which specifically mentions the shape of the earth as a sphere. Some Muslims claim "dahaha" means "ostrich egg" in Surah 79:30.

The word "dahaha" conveys ONE concept in the Arabic, that of spreading, leveling, flattening, and smoothing out. It does NOT mean ostrich egg.

dahaha means expand and other meaning is derived frm dahya…dahya means egg and its nt normal egg. The Arabic word "dahaha" is derived from the root word "dahya" which literally means "egg".…its specificly egg of ostrich..our earth is flattetn from the porl and bulging from the center…so geo-spherical shape…now some people will say why is directly nt mention?? Bro, we r in test..so, Allah give u brain and sign…thats why in Quran said will they not see?? and will they not undrstnd?? Quran is for understnding and sign…


I guess only those with holyspirit can understand carnal mind cannot understand this ..

AllahIsGarbage:
One of the earliest Surahs of the koran which was ever revealed is Surah Al Qalam or Chapter 68 of the koran.

It was revealed at a time when muhammad's people believed that he was suffering from insanity.

The very first verse of Surah Al Qalam is as follows:

Qur'an 68:1

"Nun. By the Pen and what they write."

This meaning of this verse was not understood by muslims until muhammad prayed to allah for the spirit of koranic interpretation to be given to his cousin Ibn Abass. This incident of divine anointing for Ibn Abass was mentioned in Sunan Ibn Majah:


Sunan Ibn Majah 166
Al-Hakim, Al-Mustadrak 3840

166. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The Messenger of Allah embraced me and said, 'O Allah, teach him wisdom and the interpretation of
the Book (i.e., the Qur'an)

Classed sahih by al-Albani and al-Arna'ut

So as we can see from the forgoing, both allah and muhammad gave Ibn Abbass a special anointing for interpretation of the koran and its verses. So how did Ibn Abbass interpret Surah 68:1 of the koran?

The answer can be found below:

3840. Narrated Ibn Abbas:

"The first thing that Allah created was the Pen. He said to it, 'Write.' It said, 'What shall I write?' He said, 'The divine decree.' And it wrote all that shall be from that day until the onset of the Hour. And His throne was upon the water. The water vapor rose and the heavens split off from it. He then created the whale (Nun) and spread the earth over it. The earth is on the back of the whale, and when the whale stirred, the earth shook. It was steadied by the mountains, for indeed, the mountains prevail over the earth

Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn ‘Abbâs
تفسير

Classed sahih by al-Hakim and confirmed by al-Dhahabi

So according to muhammad and allah's chosen interpreter of the koran, the earth that we live upon is lying on the back of a giant whale!

If you want to prove that Islam is a joke, simply ask a muslim to open the Google Earth app on his phone and show you where this giant whale can be found!

Khaleepha5681 AntiChristian

Still I haven't seen where Allah made this claim that earth was flat or resting on a whale all I can see here is ibn Abass making a claim of earth being carried on a whale....

Allah mentioned creation process in the Quran and he never mentioned any whale...

TenQ:

I want to assume that you honestly don't know because the religion of Islam forbid people asking questions.

Let me show you some examples where your Mohammed put laws into his hand to Murder a person for insulting him
Bukhari, 4:52:270,
The Prophet said, "Who is ready to kill Ka'b ibn al-Ashraf who has really hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Muhammad bin Maslama said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you like me to kill him?" He replied in the affirmative. So, Muhammad bin Maslama went to him (i.e. Ka'b) and said, "This person (i.e. the Prophet) has put us to task and asked us for charity." Ka'b replied, "By Allah, you will get tired of him." Muhammad said to him, "We have followed him, so we dislike to leave him till we see the end of his affair." Muhammad bin Maslama went on talking to him in this way till he got the chance to kill him. Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah



Here is another one by Sahih Muslim.

Muslim 19:4436
It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: Who will kill Ka'b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like).


So, Mr Hakeem, who is telling lies?
These are your authoritative sources and NOT mine!

Let's assume that Sahih Buhari lied, did Sahih Muslim also lied about this?


Let me give you another one by Abu Dawood

Abu Dawood 38:4349
Narrated Ali ibn AbuTalib: A Jewess used to abuse the Prophet and disparage him. A man strangled her till she died. The Apostle of Allah declared that no recompense was payable for her blood.

Here you see how Mohammed himself considered those who slander him.

Moslems following Mohammed in behaviour often are seen as barbaric, uncultured and uneducated!

Antichristian
mhmsadyq

Lol you posted hadith without knowing the story behind it this is synonymous to cherry picking do yourself a favour and read up the story behind this Hadith and know who the character Ka'b b. Ashraf is.

Unfortunately I didn't see you quote a law from the holy Quran or Muhammad which justifies killing for blasphemy but let us see what your God said about blasphemy

Leviticus 24
13 And the Lord said to Moses,

14 Bring him who has cursed out of the camp, and let all who heard him lay their hands upon his head; then let all the congregation stone him.

15 And you shall say to the Israelites, Whoever curses his God shall bear his sin.

16 And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].


Kindly answer this are you in support of this Law do you think your God made the right call here just answer with a Yes or No... Because some people had been killed due to this Law in the Name of your God..

But as usual as you always you will reject YHWH as your God because you are ashamed of him and go with his son Jesus or Is Jesus YHWH (was it Jesus that made the Law)...


This is what Allah has to say

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 57)

"Indeed, Allah has cursed the disbelievers and prepared for them a Blaze."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 64)


Allah does not need anyone to fight for him it is only your God who does....

TenQ:

Their biggest problem is that they don't question their religion and their faith. Let's hope their deception will end someday

That's why those that question your religion end up being atheists thank God the sheeples are waking up and those who brought you the religion are fast leaving it behind...

TenQ:

When we say Muslims lie as if there is no tomorrow!

Antichristian
haekymbahd
mhmsadyq

Is Sheik Gumi correct or it's just another Taqqiyya!?

You are the one practicing taqqiya did prophet Muhammad kill those that mocked him infact they said he was mad so he never killed for blasphemy Allah himself will punish them so why fight for God..




Allah SWT said:

"And they say, O you upon whom the message has been sent down, indeed you are mad."
(QS. Al-Hijr 15: Verse 6)

Rather

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 57)

Kobojunkie:
Ok

Does Mohammed also have similar divine attributes as Jesus Christ?

Jesus Christ, that divine individual Muslims claim to respect, taught His followers that it is not wrong to insult Him or to insult God. So tell us why is it not OK to insult Mohammed?

Yes Muhammad was also just like Moses as he was also chosen by God..

Psalm 82
6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.

Kobojunkie:
Here's a quote by another Muslim who claims all Muslims accept the divinity of Jesus Christ

What does he mean by divinity there?

Does Mohammed also have similar divine attributes as Jesus Christ?,

Jesus Christ, that divine individual Muslims claim to respect, taught His followers that it is not wrong to insult Him or to insult God. So tell us why is it not OK to insult Mohammed?

Yes there is difference between being divine and a deity.. we see Jesus as divinely sent we beleived in his miracles and beleive he did all with the permission of God but we don't beleive in him as a deity worthy of worship besides God who sent him.

A divine being is a being having divine attributes, ranking below God but above humans.

That's why I said our God is one if you say Jesus is a god I might agree but to say he is God I disagree because he never claimed to be.

Allah SWT said:

"And [beware the Day] when Allah will say, O Jesus, Son of Mary, did you say to the people, 'Take me and my mother as deities besides Allah?' He will say, Exalted are You! It was not for me to say that to which I have no right. If I had said it, You would have known it. You know what is within myself, and I do not know what is within Yourself. Indeed, it is You who is Knower of the unseen."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 116)

"I said not to them except what You commanded me - to worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. And I was a witness over them as long as I was among them; but when You took me up, You were the Observer over them, and You are, over all things, Witness."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 117)

MaxInDHouse:


A demon can deceive people as Jesus Christ and God Almighty that doesn't mean all those who failed to decipher such a demon knew the true identity of God's servant!

So back to my question:

Why is there no notable islamic group preaching what your God says about tolerance with zeal and quoting what your God says about brutality so that perpetrators of such evil deeds can know that they're not worshiping your God?

Why must there be a particular group when two more Muslims testifies that an act is not on their religion and they can defend it that's all it takes.

Those who portray themselves as Muslims who do evil act have you seen any of them online or anywhere defend their actions with verses of the Quran.

Christianity is the religion who based themselves basically on sect where only Jehovah witness are the ones that are going to make heaven and any other christian groups are not going to make it. Even though Muslims are also in sect but all Muslims beleive in 5 pillars of islam and beleive in the Quran. We might differ on hadiths..

Let the evil perpetrators bring their proof if there is none then there is no discussion on this issue.

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment."
(QS. Al-Ahzaab 33: Verse 57)

Did Allah tell any Muslims to fight and defend him. When two or more Muslims shares the same view they are already a group and you know I am not the only one with this our group name is Muslim.

Muslim mean submitter to the will/commandment of Allah.


Any Muslims that thinks otherwise let them bring their own proof that justifies their action maybe they might bring the bible. If they can bring their proof I admit they are Muslims (submitting to ALLAH's command)

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

Kobojunkie:
What exactly confuses you about that?

Jesus Christ Himself said He is God's Truth, God's Life and God's Law/Way.... John 14 vs 3 - 7 - only He doesn't have all of the attributes of God. He also explained that if you have seen Him, you have seen God. So what confuses you about that?

The Lord our God is one. If Jesus is not The Lord our God. Then he is not our God.

MaxInDHouse:


Ironically Muslims also see Allah as a loving and caring god who wants unbelievers to ask questions to gain insight, and as a monster that ordered his worshipers to brutalize unbelievers in the same Qur'an!

A being can only regard himself as the most merciful and All forgiving for a particular reason. It means those who think of him as monster never knew him hence they would have known he was the most merciful....

HedwigesMaduro:


Surprised the religion is confusing and confused at the same time?

I think what is confusing is when christians see Jesus as God and also (Servant) sent by God in the same bible....

MaxInDHouse:


So in a nutshell your Allah punish all the killers of Deborah in his HellFire, shey?

Allah SWT said:

"Multiplied for him is the punishment on the Day of Resurrection, and he will abide therein humiliated -"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 69)

"Except for those who repent, believe and do righteous work. For them Allah will replace their evil deeds with good. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 70)

"And [they are] those who do not testify to falsehood, and when they pass near ill speech, they pass by with dignity."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 72)




Whatever you make of it did those who killed Deborah fall into this category or not and can they be regarded as the true muslims..

MaxInDHouse:


So what does your religion say about these wrong ones?
What appropriate steps has your religion laid down to fish out this wrong ones?
Will these wrong ones go into the eternal damnation of your god?

In CHRISTIANITY the wrong ones are fished out and reproved publicly but if any of them detest such discipline then they are DISFELLOWSHIPED! 1Corinthians 5:12-13
That's why false religions claiming denominations in Christendom can't present a unique group practicing what Jesus and his disciples laid down, rather each person want to choose the doctrine that soothes him/her! Matthew 7:13-14

Allah SWT said:

"And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,"
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 63)

"And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. [b]And whoever should do that will meet a penalty."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 68)

sreamsense:


You are only looking for religion partner in crime to second Islamic blood suckers, but sorry you failed. If the interpretation of conflicting verses are wrong according to you, why are Muslims not interpreting these correct verses with their moral behaviours? Why are terrorists and other criminals being inspired by those verses to kill not only in Nigeria, but all over the world even among Hindus , Jews and buhdist?

When you quoted a verse from Bible and gives it your own erroneous interpretation, how many Christians have used the verse negatively through their behaviours like terrorists in Islam to justify crime all over the world? So, it means, you are the one having problem with interpretation of the verse because Christians don't act wickedly based on the verse

Your Quran tells you no compusion in Islam, but interpretation of that verse through Muslim behaviour means you imply opposite. If Muslim converts to Christianity or other religion, that is when you will know there is compusion because the convert may be killed

Islam was not created as a violent religion those you see around doing evil in the name of the religion are actually the wrong ones. Muhammad never hated Jews and Christians but when he was comming up with his message of one God they Jews connided with pagans of mecca to kill and expel him for preaching a different doctrine to theirs...

This is how you will know Muhammad didn't hate them had the Jews in mecca not attacked Muhammad those verse against christians and Jews wouldn't have occured. The verses came up when there was intense war between Jews and Muslims.

Look at this scenerio when Muhammad was sent away and attacked and expelled by the Maccans and Jews of mecca he went to medinah. There were Jews and Christians in medinah too and Muhammad never fought them and never did violent verse came up.

Madinah, especially at the outset, was a multi-ethnic and multi-religious city-state in which Jews, among others, occupied a noteworthy position. No sooner had theProphet arrived in the city, than he composed the Constitution of Madinah. In it, he referredto all the integral groups as “one community (ummah)”. They formed “one and the same community as against the rest of men.”

The Constitution established all groups in their religions and possessions, assigning to each of them their overall rights and duties.

According to the Qur’anic message: “God does not forbid you to deal kindly and justly with those who have not fought against you about the religion or expelled you from your homes.God does not love the unjust people. Allah only forbids you from those who fight youbecause of religion and expel you from your homes and aid in your expulsion – (forbids) thatyou make allies of them. And whoever makes allies of them, then it is those who are thewrongdoers.” (al-Mumtahanah, .

The Prophet furthermore conducted regular dialogue sessions with the Jews, Christians,polytheist Arabs, hypocrites and Bedouins. His mosque in Madinah was often the epicentre ofevents.

When famously a Christian delegation from Najran, a city in southwestern ArabianPeninsula, visited the Prophet, he met them in the shades of his honourable mosque. Theirnumber was 60. They were led by a group of their priests. When the time of one of theirprayers was due, they were allowed to pray right inside the mosque.

This way, the mosque, which functioned as a community development centre, was as well acentre for promoting mutual understanding, tolerance and unity. It was the first activecentre in history for interfaith dialogue and cooperation.



This was basically the message of Muhammad to christians and Jews.

Allah SWT said:

"Say, O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah. But if they turn away, then say, Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 64)


If the christians and Jews refuse to join Islam Muslims were not supposed to fight that was why Muhammad told them to pay Tax and sign treaty if they wish to stay in Arabia during their reingn and keep observing their religion...

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holybabayo:
Please let the Muslim come up with evidence from the Quran that killing is the punishment for insulting the prophets. I strongly doubt it exists. I understand the strong emotional attachment Muslims have for prophet Muhammad. But I believe that they should ask with Quran and not emotion.

I don't know of any such verse in the bible. In fact, even God the Father and the Son can be blasphemed against and be forgiven for. For the holy spirit, it's never forgiven. Still does not require human punishment.

It is true there is no verse that supports this in the Quran but I am afraid maybe they got their idea from the bible


Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

TenQ:

The Sheik did not condemn the murder, he only condemned the fact that it wasn't done "islamically".
Therefore, for the killing to be Islamically acceptable
1. It must be sanctioned by a Sheik or his representative
2. The offender should be slaughtered (on his neck with a knife and not by fire)
3. The offender must then be buried in a grave

Compare with Jesus Christ who says to those who were punishing and killing Him
"Father, forgive them, for they know not what they are doing"!
And Jesus is the best example of Christians

haekymbahd: mhmsadyq: Antichristian:
Is Islam truly the last religion and is Mohammed really the last prophet?

From the post above I am actually surprised not to see any Quranic verses posted to justify this above on the second thought I believe the sheikh must be using the bible as his reference

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

PHYTECH:


Cutting out verses to suit your interests
So, The killing Of the lady is a criminal offence and warrants Nothing but death of the perpetrators in islam, following the following evidences.

1. *It Is A Sin To Kill any soul in islam* . In Q5 vs 32; Whoever killsa soul is like he has killed the entire Human Race.

2. It is a sin to Stone A Soul To Death. No individual has The Audacity to kill a soul, not to talk of stoning to death, whoever does this knowingly, should be put to Death, according to sharee'ah.

3. *It is a sin to Kill even a cockroach with FIRE.* Narrated in the tradition of The Prophet Muhammad SAWAbdullah ibn Mas’ood may Allaah be pleased with him narrated: "The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) stopped in an area (during a journey) and went to relieve himself. When he returned, he found that a man set an anthill on fire, either on the ground or in a tree. Hence, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) asked: “Who did this.” A man from the people said: “I did it, o Messenger of Allah.” Thereupon, the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention )
said: "Put off the fire! Put off the fire!" [Ahmad].
This is an Ant or Cockroach, how much more A Human Being.

4. *It is a sin In Islam to Kill, not to talk of being boastful of killing*
Whoever does this would definitely be killed just like he killed, this is an Islamic Ruling.

5. It is Not accepted in Islam for anyone to execute any judgement, even if your relative is being killed, you're not to take laws into your hand, all offences are to be reported to The Agencies.

That's why I even said maybe they learnt that evil act from the bible... Because the punishment for blasphemy in the bible is death by stoning by people in congregation...

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

Kobojunkie:
That Law in scripture, even where blasphemy is concerned, applies only to those who are born with the blood of Jacob coursing through their veins.
The Old Covenant Law of Moses does not apply to anyone not descended from Jacob, unless the person believes the God of the Jews a Fool instead.

check the bolded and detect your error who are strangers?

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].

Kobojunkie:
Pretty much the same verses you continue to post can be used to argue for the barbaric acts carried out against Deborah, particularly those I highlighted in red earlier.

I asked you earlier if Mohammed gave definitive instructions as regards this blasphemy nonsense, and you said no, yet Muslims world over seem to believe that blasphemers deserve death as punish, how come?

Leviticus 24
16And he who blasphemes the Name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him; the stranger as well as he who was born in the land shall be put to death when he blasphemes the Name [of the Lord].


The punishment for blasphemy in the bible is death but no where in the Quran will you see death as punishment for blasphemy...

Let them show their verse that justified this maybe they saw it in the bible..

Kobojunkie:
1. I am afraid I don't see what you assert as regards the Deborah case. She was falsely accused of blasphemy against Mohammed, not even Allah, and those who lynched her believe themselves just and good in their acts according to what is Muslim standards. So?

Then let them come forward to show the verse that justified their act...

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TenQ:

Aren't you doing Taqqiyya again?

By reading each of the Quranic scriptures listed above can one truely says these were meant for times of war?

Your posture is totally deceptive!

Muslims are expected to force Jews and Christians to pay Jizya if they would not convert to Islam UNTIL they feel humiliated in the process. Is this during the times of war or peace?


haekymbahd , You may may dislike violence as a person BUT don't forget that Allah says that Fighting has been prescribed for you as Muslims!

hahaha... This problem here occured because the Jews and the Christians didn't follow what their book preached to love their neighbors as themselves. Why didn't the Jews and the christian love the Muslims. Or are you saying the Jews were not the first to attack muhammad. Didn't the form alliance with pagans of mecca to expel muslims from Arabia which they did successfully.

Imagine Muhammad came back and said okay you Jews are the ones who sent me out of Arabia as they saw the Muslims as enemy okay if you want to stay in Arabia you will have to pay tax (is it their country arent you paying tax in Nigeria) and observe a treaty (agreement of not forming alliance with the enemies because they can't be trusted)


The Jews connided with pagans of mecca expelled Muslims from Arabia and the Muslims gave them rules to follow if they wish to stay in Arabia during their reing isn't that kindness..

Kobojunkie:


4b. Here's the problem, Muslims seem to fight back everywhere claiming they are permitted to do so by Mohammed, and Allah. You say they can't but have yet to show your claims correspond with Muslim scripture.

What do you make of this verses putting this in the case of Deborah was it worth it?

Allah SWT said:

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 125)

"And if you punish [an enemy, O believers], punish with an equivalent of that with which you were harmed. But if you are patient - it is better for those who are patient."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 126)

"And be patient, [O Muhammad], and your patience is not but through Allah. And do not grieve over them and do not be in distress over what they conspire."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 127)

"Indeed, Allah is with those who fear Him and those who are doers of good."
(QS. An-Nahl 16: Verse 128)

Kobojunkie:
1 . Arabia as Allah's chosen nation? Nigeria is not in Arabia though.

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By the way, Adonai didn't command the Jews to annihilate the enemy states simply on grounds that Israel was "chosen" by Him. If that had been the major reason then the Adonai would not have had other Nations destroy Israel every time Israel erred against Him now, would He?

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so the Amelekites did nothing wrong or what was their offence?


1 Samuel 15
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Samuel said to Saul, "I am the one the LORD sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the LORD.
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This is what the LORD Almighty says: `I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt.

Kobojunkie:

2.. What you quoted seem more like random verses from here and there to support your particular opinion as far as your claim. My question to you is not meant to solicit your person view here but a generally accepted Muslim wide teaching on this differentiation between war-time and peace-time.

Now listen those verse occured during the time when Islam was finding it's foot and Allah has chosen Arabia. was Prophet Muhammad not expelled totally from Arabia by meccans and Jews in ALLAH's chosen nation. Should ALLAH lose his chosen nation while YHWH didn't lose his definitely no he fought back for it....

Also Allah didn't command the killing of Deborah because it is not justifiable by his words.

Allah SWT said:

"And when you see those who engage in [offensive] discourse concerning Our verses, then turn away from them until they enter into another conversation. And if Satan should cause you to forget, then do not remain after the reminder with the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 68)



Prophet Muhammad wasn't violent early on he was oppressed and expelled from his home town which is also ALLAH's chosen nation that was why he was commanded to fight so Allah didn't command Nigeria Muslims to fight for him. The khaabah itself was built by Ishmael for the worship of ALLAH..


Allah SWT said:

"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

"[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, Our Lord is Allah. And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 40)

Kobojunkie:

Imagine the case or 4 muslim families evicted from their homes by a non-muslim landlord for either one issue or another, what stops those 4 families from deciding war has been declared on them all because of their belief?

Allah SWT said:

"Indeed, those whom the angels take [in death] while wronging themselves - [the angels] will say, In what [condition] were you? They will say, We were oppressed in the land. The angels will say, Was not the earth of Allah spacious [enough] for you to emigrate therein? For those, their refuge is Hell - and evil it is as a destination."


Muslims can leave their home if been evicted or oppressed for the sake of their religion and start a new life. Muhammad fought back for Arabia because Allah had chosen it as his nation and that was why he was given the permission to fight...