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To be honest I don’t see anything wrong with eating donkey meet.

The only reason you can arrest these women is if they stole the donkey from somebody or somewhere.

I actually enjoyed this article

Dogasas:
I am based in Abuja but come to Lagos State once in a while. Now because of my unfamiliarity with Lagos roads, I decided to use public transport this morning.

I was at one of the Oshodi parks when I started hearing "eko" "eko" "eko". I moved closer to the conductor to ask where the bus was going and with a sachet of dry gin in his mouth, he harshly said "Lagos". That wasn't my destination but as I was looking for a bus going to my destination, I kept pondering, no be the same Lagos we dey abi is there another Lagos in Lagos?

eko is majorly Lagos island

Who counted the bullets ?

no it is not good

Oggolden001:
A degree in architecture nd that in civil engineering which is more sustainable in the nigerian society? Please i need advice bcuz i'm finding it hard to choose btw this two. Heres me like, i b average maths student wey like to draw alot especially building related drawings/environmental drawings too. Heres my jamb subj comb, maths, physics, chem nd english. Please advice from experience persons in the field will be veryly appreciated. (if there is any word as such)

Since you are average in maths then Architecture would be your best bet. Engineering is actually more of maths than drawings. You only translate your designs to drawings which would be done by a draughtsman.


SO THE BALL IS IN COURT

Funny fact was I just finished listening to hip hop is dead before I saw this thread

Stupid thread

We are already in danger already, with this man in charge

I can't say anything if I can't see the design

Maybe when I am less busy, I would go hunting and I would drop my own food thread

keppler:
For your first statement, I added a screen shot of who FIRST made the claim. It's good that internet does not forget

For your alleged proofs, I laugh in Swahili. [s]How does Mother Teresa's opinion (especially, those which are not derived from the Bible) represent Christianity? Seems I need to check the fallacy of hasty generalization again. lol[/s]

Since you listed scientist who had christian faith as one of the reasons why christianity helped science.

Secondly, you seem to still be in the 'dark ages' for not knowing that the words are misleading and inaccurate for describing the MIDDLE AGES (which is now the accepted usage), since the accomplishments of the middle ages are now being known. But of course, any tool that discredits Christianity is welcomed even if later found to be wrong, for wannabe atheists.

Well you get my point and dark age is still used to refer to the early part of the middle age, when human specie were backward politically, technologically, economically and this was cause by religion being in command.

Again, you have said nothing with substance against religion (I am arguing for Christianity which is also categorized as religion). But you can't give up, I guess. Just try to make informed statements and avoid fallacies in your effort to prove your case.
Thanks

You have not said anything meaningful to show religion helped science case.

keppler:
I took my time to go through the History of modern science. I did not see any major contribution of religion to it
One simple way for you to get that is to google "Christian foundation of modern science". You don't need to read from Christian sites (as I doubt you'd be willing to do that), just pick at least, 4 sites that looks neutral and read. It's not difficult.

I read most of them especially from the catholic website. And they had nothing serious to offer rather than mentioning name of scientist who had christian faith. attached below are some sites I went through

please do not twist history. Galileo was arrested for heresy. when Galileo came out with his new model, It was against some certain part of the christian scriptures, and was therefore considered heresy at that time. Then Galileo came and said His model is not in contradiction with the scripture as not every passage should be taking literally. The church stood as a barrier against science. Because in science there are no scientific authorities, anybody can be questioned, as far as you have your evidence.
You will definitely not talk about the fact that his model was not well grounded and cannot be proven scientifically. And will avoid the part that I said that it was still CHURCH GOERS (CHRISTIANS) that firmly established Heliocentricity. I doubt if you even know what the affair was about in the first place, but just interested in him being unfairly censored by the Catholic church (IT IS IMPORTANT TO ALSO KNOW THAT THE CATHOLIC WAS NOT THE ONLY CHURCH AUTHORITY OF THE TIME).
The simple truth was that he was right, but he couldn't prove is ideas correctly (not to talk of his wrong theories about tides also) and since the church was following the BEST OF SCIENCE of the era, wrongly interpreting the Bible to fit geocentricity, it is normal for him to have enemies within the scientific circles who would definitely use the church to silence him (just as humanists use academia to silence dissenters now).
Like I advised, be well informed and not just read one sided information due to your bias against religion

Galileo was ordered to turn himself in to the Holy Office to begin trial for holding the belief that the Earth revolves around the sun, which was deemed heretical by the Catholic Church. Standard practice demanded that the accused be imprisoned and secluded during the trial. I do not believe what you are saying.
the reason why he was arrested was because he went against the bible teaching. the bible supports earth centred solar system. The church thought that if Galileo was right, then it means the bible was wrong and It means god is a liar.

yes he was a very religious person! but it does not mean religion helped the advancement of science

No you are committing a Non- sequitur; because you said


70% are christians therefore christianity helped science
The proof of an assertion must be a logical step in reasoning with a logical relationship. Because these scientist don't go to the labs with their faith, they drop it outside. so this argument is logically incoherent
You just attacked strawman again. Seems you need to really learn about logically fallacies so as to be able to use them correctly. I argued that Christianity was instrumental to rise of modern science as against your claim that religion is a poison to science. I only supported my assertion by adding that most top scientists are Christians. because folks like you tend to imply that religion is like an opposite of science. Many anti-God sites make a false dichotomy of religion vs science, making it look like they are mutually exclusive.

first reason why religion and science are incompatible; one works on faith, the other on evidence.

we have Hindu scientist, muslim scientist and other religious scientist. Why don't you make a claim that hinduism helped in the advancement of science?

feeloscar:
I am having issues exporting etabs analysis results to staad rcdc for design. I do not know if I am the only person experiencing this. I am using the latest etabs v 19 and the latest staad rcdc.

I have replied your email

sconp:
Is this the complete package i.e Cads RC and crack or it's just the crack?

this is just the crack. I think I have removed the main installer

keppler:
You don't turn the onus on me. You made a claim and I challenged you to cite examples to back up your claim. That is what you should do and not turn it on me

you are shifting the burden of proof here. You made the claim that religion helped science and I said no.

By the way I would list some examples I can recollect off hand.
1) mother Teresa
2)during the dark ages you know it was called dark age because of the intellectual decline and around the 18th century we call it enlightenment age because the church stopped controlling things


religion poisons everything

keppler:
Yes scientists are religious people but it doesn’t mean religious brings about development
You are quick to respond when you did not even read what I asked you to read. Else, you wouldn't give this response. Try to read it so that you may stop dishing this wrong impression of religion (Christianity especially)

I took my time to go through the History of modern science. I did not see any major contribution of religion to it.

Galileo, etc were strong Christians but we saw what the church did to them
Who are the etc? Then, make an extensive study of the real Galileo affair so as to have a grasp of what actually happened. He had a correct idea but does not have the scientific backing for his arguments. He was literally challenging the BEST OF SCIENCE of that era - Ptolemic geocentricity which had been accepted for more than a thousand years and has worked well. It was never an issue of science vs religion, but science vs science, and in this case, the church was following the 'BEST OF SCIENCE' of the era which had the best case for it.
It's funny that it was other Christians; Copernicus, Keppler that established Helicentricity with better arguments and evidence which over turned the reigning paradigm; yet, the Church did nothing to them AS AGAINST YOUR CLAIM. (Imagine how ridiculous it do sounds to believers of Big bang when they hear others challenging it, that was how it was during Galileo's time, just that he does not have the required evidence in his case).

please do not twist history. Galileo was arrested for heresy. when Galileo came out with his new model, It was against some certain part of the christian scriptures, and was therefore considered heresy at that time. Then Galileo came and said His model is not in contradiction with the scripture as not every passage should be taking literally. The church stood as a barrier against science. Because in science there are no scientific authorities, anybody can be questioned, as far as you have your evidence.

Be well informed on a topic and not just read what you WANT to hear.

Newton was an alchemist does not mean that all alchemist were scientists also
You are merely attacking strawman here and trying a redherring. It doesn't change the fact that Christianity was a driving force for modern science and till date, over 70% if Nobel prize winners of science are Christians.

No you are committing a Non- sequitur; because you said 70% are christians therefore christianity helped science
The proof of an assertion must be a logical step in reasoning with a logical relationship. Because these scientist don't go to the labs with their faith, they drop it outside. so this argument is logically incoherent

keppler:
Please back up your claim with sound facts.
I hate it when folks don't cross-check whatever they read from anti-God sites, only to spread such propaganda

just give me when religion helped in terms of development

keppler:
I have been reading along but your atheistic conviction and bias is already making you to type errors.

For your last sentence, you'll need to read about what led to the founding of MODERN science (empirical method) and its advancement.
It doesn't do much good to listen to ONLY one side of the camp.
By the way, over 70% of Nobel Laureates in science are Christians - Religious people

Yes scientists are religious people but it doesn’t mean religious brings about development.

Galileo, etc were strong Christians but we saw what the church did to them.


Newton was an alchemist does not mean that all alchemist were scientists also

SyrusdeHansome:
You're referring to the paedophile right?

yeah and Jesus also

Ever8090:
as you believe in history of humans and animals existence predating to 50 million years ago which your guess work comes back to argue with itself soon after a discovery is made and establish as fact, the confusion in this context can't be compared to the believe of resurrection and the second coming of a Messiah.

Did you say guess work?

SouthSouth1914:
Then you should respect other people’s religion same way you want yours to be respected.

Yes! You have every right to believe what ever you want. I also have right to find whatever you believe to be ridiculous

neyyoh:
Religion brought a lot of enlightenment both Christianity and islam.

Please do a thorough research.

I haven't seen any Bible verse that says, thou shalt not Innovate.

Even the United States mantra states in God we trust.

Africans blaming religion is tantamount to ignoring the elephant in the room.

Blame the government, colonials, religion etc, but the real problem lies with brain capital.

You see Nigeria has Arabic on its military flag, member of Islamic nation. Arabic symbols on its currency. It doesn’t mean Nigeria is a Muslim nation.

Yes the laws of the Bible are holding us back.

Tvoice:
And yet u believe witchcraft exist right ? may God help you .

no I do not

neyyoh:
You're not taking time to understand.

Usa is a country of faith yet it's innovative, right? ( Christian)

If the above statement is true, then religion can't be held responsible for lack of advancement.

It has to be something else... Which is obviously brain capital.

Religion was never meant to bring any scientific advances even though it did through missionaries etc, it lends itself to the soul, self and man.

If religion prevents advancement in a people, then the people didn't have the brain capital in the first place.

USA is not a country of faith, same as saying Nigeria is not a country of faith.
saying USA is a christian nation to me is a meaningless statement. The constitution forbids all mention of god in it. let alone of Jesus or Allah or any Hindu god. Its true to say that majority of religious people in America are christians It sounds funny that the 1st amendments contradicts the 1st commandments

You and I know that religion has Hindered the progress of science more than it has helped.

JimmyBishop:
So, which of the two interest you?
Is it the way to go to heaven or the way the heavens go

the way the heavens go. I actually do not have any interest in going to heaven (even if it exists) it looks boring

neyyoh:
Off course, but the point is, a scientist can have faith. The usa for example is innovative but portrays itself has a country of faith... Whether hypocritical or not is another topic of discuss.

Religion doesn't make people backwards, low iq and lack of curiousity does.

I do not understand the bolded.

religion makes perfectly rational people do what only insane people can do. Religion does not really bring any advancement

Jokerman:
That's because the word of God is bigger than any thing human can conceive

at least rational humans don't believe they can ride a chariot of fire to get to the sky

SouthSouth1914:
You are an atheist?

yes

neyyoh:
You can have faith and still be a scientist /innovator.

Religion or not.. high iq and curiousity is what brings advancement more importantly less grammar more action.

scientist don't go into the labs with their religious convictions and that is what brings about advancement.

galileo made a statement The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go.