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typicalgamer:
Bros you’re just spewing thrash out of your mouth
Get tf out of your high table and see how people live

From 90s till date I can guarantee you that not more than 50% of Nigerians have birth certificate.
Are you high ?

More than 70% of Nigerians get a new birth certificate when it’s necessary either for job or even traveling.

You think say na everyone they born for 5star hospital

There’s a whole world ahead of your view

I don’t care about the u20 boys both of y’all are arguing about but your statement is dead wrong
How many of us here get birth certificate

This is disappointing ... Really?
"Spewing thrash"
"High"
"tf off a high horse"
Is that all the foul language you can come up with without actually making a point? Just 2 or 3? You should expand it.
C'mon You can do better.
I'll be expecting a longer list next quote.

komekn:
First of all I did not use the UK 🇬🇧 as my reference point. I used the term "developed countries"

The use of the word automatic birth data capture, precludes an individual making the registration of birth to the national data base.

Your entire assertion is anchored on personal effort and integrity.

You are too ASSUMPTIVE and emotively led once again l did not use the UK 🇬🇧 as benchmark you did, not me.

I did not create the lack of confidence in Nigerian government institutions. They have used 63 years of generational corruption, abuse, ineptitude, incompetence and impunity to prove that to the whole world.

You have a former governor discharged and acquitted of a myriad of corruption charges in a Federal Appeal court Asaba. But pleads guilty in a British court to all charges without contention that are almost the same.

You have a criminal convict as president after blatant and broad daylight election rigging.

We have the highest paid national legislators in the World and we struggle to pay people a minimum wage of £30 a month.

We are the 7th Largest Exporter of crude oil 🛢️ in the World and we are importing finished petroleum products. We have spent more in maintaining 3 NNPC refineries in the last decade than Dangote has used to construct the largest refinery in Africa.

My expectations are higher than yours and you accept MEDIOCRITY, CORRUPTION, IMPUNITY you are the quintessential Nigerian problem not me

This is a strictly sports forum, I hate derailing therefore I won't comment on the political points you raised.

But if you must know, The election was rigged, the man that came third actually won and Buhari is Jubril from Sudan

komekn:
There is no government verification authentication of birth certificate in Nigeria that emanates from automatic birth data capture.

Thats what a birth certificate is in Developrd country confirmation of automatic birth data capture authenticated from the national database.

Who issued the Nigerian birth certificate please ❓and what verification authentication data base is it anchored ⚓ on upon please ❓❓

Jesus Christ!

Are you aware Nigeria is no longer a British colony?

It might also interest you that not all Nigerians are age frauds, many Nigerians had their birth dates accurately registered by their parents with the National Population commision (especially children born in the late 90s till date) or even themselves,and no one is claiming the NPC are independent verifiers, but they do register births and issue birth certificates, I obtained one for my daughter as soon as she was born and millions of fathers/mothers are doing the same in Nigeria today and have been doing it for years. Now if anyone like you questions her age in future, myself and that person will have our day in court.

However for you Mr Komekn if a Nigerian says his blood is crimson red, you'll need an independent verifier from Britain for you to believe, that is good for you!

Your lack of confidence in your country and her processes becomes your problem and your problem alone, and the burden of prove is on you.

Now I don taya abeg.

komekn:
How did they independently corroborate verify and substantiate their date of birth and therefore ages please.

Baba stop going in circles
Wayodude is clearly saying it is your duty to independently corroborate/disagree or verify their dates of birth since you are the accuser in this case the burden of proof is on you!

I submit my birth certificate which says I'm 20 (prove of age) to FIFA , FIFA accepted it.
You disagreed, you say I'm a liar... It becomes your job to prove that the document I submitted is a lie as you claimed.
Any other thing you say is just English/ inferences if you cannot provide your own hard evidence..

Bringbackmandat:
stop fooling around. He Hamzat apply for naturalization in the US. By applying for naturalization shows that you denounce all citizenship of other countries.
Anybody that voluntarily denounce his citizenship will loose his citizenship either by birth or registered.

According to our constitution a Nigerian by birth does not have the power to renounce his/her own citizenship of Nigeria
Ask Nnamdi Kanu and his lawyers.

komekn:
Thats what you are saying.

I've said repeatedly I really don't know.

Performance is not the overiding factor but w one of them.

In terms of performance Harvey Barnes almost has three times the goals that KC has scored with 13, and he is a winger.

Maddison has 10 goals that's double KC goals and he is a Midfielder.

You are trying to explain what cannot be explained.

You mean you don't know the criteria for choosing a club's player of the season?
You mean how a club's player of the season is arrived at cannot be explained?
You mean with all your knowledge of English football, you cannot say categorically how a club like Leicester city would arrive at the choice of it's player of the season?

Really?

chuks404:
you truly have time
The guy is evasive. Whether anyone likes it or not the HERE AND NOW theory says iheanacho is the best. Better than everyone in the club according to the club.

I get time today, I know wetin I dey do
the internet never forgets

komekn:
Very simple Vardy had been the club favourite for a decade now he is 37 and expired, they need a new talisman, and unfortunately they don't have many.

If I am to use a Machiavellian approach, "When the desirable is not available the available becomes desirable"

Statistically Harvey wide player has 13 goals, Maddison has 10. But the fans chose KC who has 5 and Daka who has 4 all in the EPL.

Some view Maddison as a traitor for expressing a desire to leave.

Otherwise I really don't know .



Fans are a funny lot one day they love you another they hate you, very fickle.

Alright...so In conclusion a club's player of the year award is nothing but a popularity contest, which is dependent solely on the mood of the fans and wether or not they like a player's face at that time or not, and it has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with the quality of the winner right?

komekn:
What do you think it is then .

I really can't read the minds of Liecester City fans.

But it seems you can

No I cannot.... Let's go back to the begining.
First I wrongly assumed that winning the player of the year award means you're the best in your club.....
You corrected me by pointing out it is just a measure of "popularity" not performance .... I agreed....
I asked again how someone as poor a player as Iheanacho got so popular with the fans and coaches, you said it was "emotive preference and prejudice "...... I agreed.
Now the question is ... How can we logically explain Iheanacho winning a sentimental and prejudiced contest at Leicester city with a super legend like Jamie Vardy still actively playing?

You've been my teacher since the begining... Don't push me away at this juncture.

komekn:
The same factors here sentiment and emotive preference.

It didn't help the popularity of Maddison when he was already alluding to leaving Leicester City in public.

Otherwise I don't know.

Oh... Okay now I understand.
In other words.... Iheanacho won the sentiment and emotive preference game of Leicester city fans and coaches over someone like Jamie Vardy?

komekn:
Essentially it's an accolade thats more about popularity than measured performance

Okay !
Bookmarked for future reference

But isn't it surprising to you that such a piss poor below average, league 1 level forward is the most "popular" Leicester city player with the coaches and fans for 2022/23?
What factors could be responsible for this "popularity"?... I want to learn

komekn:
Essentially it's an accolade thats more about popularity than measured performance

Okay !
Bookmarked for future reference

komekn:
Unfortunately their best player KC according to you is also a forward player. He this season played 28 games and scored 5 goals, if that's a measurement of oustanding quality what then is average or poor or excellent ❓

Harvey Barns is not as good as KC according to you but played 34 games and scored 13 goals. He has now got several bids from Newcastle, Tottenham and Villa and counting but he is not so good as KC.

Maddison,Castagne, Tielemans, are generating all kinds of interest from premier league clubs but they are not the best player in Leicester City, according to you.

So how many clubs in the EPL are fighting for the clinical marksman and striker KC, 🤔❓

According to me?
How?
Am I the one that gave him leicester player of the season award?

Abi am I missing something
Better still educate me... What does it mean to be your club's player of the season?

komekn:
Fabulous

Iheanacho also won leicester player of the seaaon
Meaning Leicester city players and coaches and fans believe he's their BEST overall player this season.
Does this mean Leicester city has become so shitty, their BEST player will struggle to get a team in the championship and no EPL club would pay shishi for Leicester city's best player?

O ga o

komekn:
The problem is you think 🤔 you know what I am thinking 🤔 that's the PROBLEM.

When a player is playing in the EPL the first point of recognition and appreciation is his immediate peers the EPL. That's where the first assessment of quality will be made.

If Ndidi is so exceptional and oustandingly consistently excellent. Then there should be a host of clubs fighting to get his signature in the EPL.

In other words... Tammy Abraham was never a quality striker, Fikayo Tomori was/is a poor defender, Folarin Balogun piss poor

Since no English side fought for their signature.
And please... Dont shift goal posts, they were not signed by an English side means no English side showed interest. Be consistent with your logic o

Marjoribanks:
You must be a kid! If football is that easy to predict people will be making millions everyday! lol!

Yea... I'll turn 10 in September ,yesterday was children's day. It's not too late to wish me happy children's day.

Alaye dey calm down, life is not that hard

gatecrash123:
We are meeting either usa or argentina. easier opponents than england

Lol
If we meet Argentina... There's no point playing the match.
We are out

Bameyi must play[center][/center]

komekn:
A few questions ❓

Is the Nigerian society corrupt.

Is the Nigerian pice force corrupt
Is the EFCC corrupt
Is INEC corrupt
Is the Judiciary corrupt
Is NNPC corrupt.
Is NFF corrupt.

Tell me just one institution in Nigeria that is not endemically corrupt please. And don't mention church please, that's not exempt.

This is the REALITY and this is being REAL

You may wish to be living in a delusional bubble, that's your choice don't blame anybody for being real.

I answer Yes , yes yes to all the questions ... The police is corrupt, government is corrupt, NFF is corrupt, even the church is corrupt, everyone in Nigeria is corrupt.
Even you are corrupt....

So what exactly is your point?
What do you intend to achieve by (being real) telling the world and everyone on MARS that your country is the most corrupt and your compatriots have no intergrity?
To what end?
What do you people gain?

Curtisaxel10:
There is nothing positive about men in their late twenties beating a set of teenagers.

Nothing.

Na this same thing Tiamiyu do, and you go follow drag am on Twitter

If we ask you to bring hard evidence to prove any of them is above 20...

You'll start saying "he looks 40"
I know a sister cousin daughter friend who was his classmate in 1939.

Abeg rest.
Stop dragging your country in the mud

Curtisaxel10:
My only problem with this U20 team is that they are grossly overage. For all we know, they could all be in their mid to late twenties i.e at their peak.

This means the boys have only two or three years max to perform optimally before nature takes its course and diminishing returns sets in.

For those celebrating that we have found fresh solutions to our SE problems, I would advise caution. It is not yet Uhuru. Those boys are not boys.

Dem don curse us for this country, no one can convince me otherwise!
Why is it that Nigerians find it difficult to just accept something positive about our nation without any negativity?
Why do we like dragging ourselves down all in the name of being "real"?
Just why!?

Na you born them?

TheGoodJoe:

In the long term, the possessive/offensive side will succeed more.

That is why Pep is winning multiple leagues in the Premier league and Mourinho can't win one.

The final has to do with luck and not tactical brilliance

Finito.

Alaye Pep keeps winning because he has oil money to spend at city, he had Messi at Barca, and he walked into a Bayern team that won a treble the season before he arrived.

The statement you made above is the reason why Pep isn't popular among most football fans.... His fans like yourself always make it seem like he's some demigod.

Guardiola is a brilliant tactician, no one disputes that fact, but he isn't the best untill he can achieve what folks like Klopp, Ancelotti, Mourinho and Diego someone have achieved with less fancied sides and with far less resources.

He can buy three 50million pounds leftbacks in one season and three 40 million pounds centre back the same season and end up not playing any of them! How many coaches have that luxury?
Abegee

TheGoodJoe:
Will you say Mourinho was better tactically than Alonso looking at the stats?

Oga tactics is not defined as "possession football"
Tactics is the method you adopt to win a football game. Whoever wins had the better tactics. You had 99% possession and still lost = poor tactics.

When I play football manager, and come against an ultra defensive team, at about the 65 mins mark, I change my tactics to deliberately start giving my opponent the ball, because they didn't plan to have the ball, they wouldn't know what to do with it, they start making mistakes and concede ... Alonso no fit do that simple thing?

You hug the ball for 70 mins, no result then you go on hugging it for the entire 90 mins and lost... Radarada poor tactics!

komekn:
Let me quote you verbatim;

Your brain should tell you that a young player affliation will be first to his/her country of birth before anything else.

You then anchor ⚓ your prejudiced and ignorant deduction on your self-birthed and self-justified imaginative negative bias.

How many Nigerian origin players born in Europe playing professional youth football ⚽ DO YOI KNOW, personally ❓❓

I know too many to count Nigerian origin players who their first choice was and is Nigeria. But the NFF officials have an agenda that is not based on merit but Egunje.

NFF corruption is not unique to Nigerian origin players but all players it is well documented and has been going on for decades.

You are now changing your strongly held original proposition.

Oga you are a lie
You are not a liar, you are THE LIE
All you do here is claim you know players personally, players whose names you refuse to mention.
You know plenty of professionals, work with them, yet you do not contribute anything meaningful to the resourcefulness of this forum.
Someone can come here and publish a whole football journal using the contributions of people like TheSuperNerd, Bascovanveli, icon4s etc. These guys don't claim to know everyone, they just do their thing.

You come here claiming to have worked with A-Z yet you give zero insight, zero insider news even your contributions 90% of the time make a lot of people question if you actually are involved in football at all, even in England where you claim to live.

Alaye you strike me as "The lie"

komekn:
Without context Data is very limited in making inferences on quality and capacity.

The KPI's you have presented are academic noise making without context.

1.work rate
2. Skill set
3. Pace
4. Technical ability
5. Physicality

The measurements of all 5 KPI's will be seen in the context of the league you are playing. So a footballer with high stats in all of those KPI's in say the Turkish league may not get off the starting line in the EPL.

And in this regards only someone with the most outstanding KPI's in the Turkish league may be considered average on arrival in EPL, or even very poor.

The requirements of each league is different as well as difficultly to complete task's.

In a less physical league with a lower work rate (intensity with or without the ball, running and chasing)

You may have a player with a statistics of 10km in a match but it could lazy running without conviction and or intent. Then you could have a player with a lesser figure of 7 km of extreme intensity and determination and winning MENTALITY.

That intensity may not necessarily be captured in the statistics of interceptions and tackles, but that intensity will change the trajectory of the match , cause errors and limit the options of the opposing side. These variables will not be caught in your statistics.

What it takes to win a header in the EPL is not the same as it is in the French league one. Different levels of physicality and pace.

The difficulty of putting a through ball with much more intelligent, faster and physically stronger defenders , will not be the same in Bundisliga as it is in the EPL. Again in general, before somebody talks about Haaland. Consider Timo Werner and his perspective in comparison to the Bundisliga,it's faster tougher and more physical.

So now let's get to context again in relation to Nwakali a big part of the discussion on statistics.

The Segundo division is very poor quality below the first 5/6 teams. Having this in mind whatever the statistics you gather they have to be seen in the poor level of the league.

None of you here, would consider the statistics of any player in NPFL team as a yardstick for quality. Why then would you consider the very poor quality Segundo division and in this case a team at the bottom relegation zone, Ponferradina which is near bankrupt.

This is not a comedic attempt to cast aspersion but I truly believe and if it were possible I would place a bet with my small 💷££ that Bendel insurance will flog Ponferradina FC ,with all seriousness.

All the KPI's have to be seen and measured in the context of the league and the individual player. This is something that statistics cannot capture.

In this regards that's why a club will send a scout to make a personal appraisal all things seen in context. That context is the league the player will potentially come to and the ethos of the club as well.

Finally, l watched Sheffield Wednesday FC beat a full strength Newcastle United a League One club ( with several Nigerian players)

Do you think any Segundo team can beat a EPL team, that's too much actually a Championship team and which one ❓in my opinion Sheffield Wednesday would flog Ponferradina FC.

For context consider no EPL U21 Academy team can beat a league one team. However, Wolves U21 were narrowly beaten 2-1 by Villa Real B ( effectively the youth team)

I watched Wolves U21 get flogged up close and personal by Liverpool FC U21 5-0.

Stats must be seen in CONTEXT not in emotive assumption.

Ah Komekn!

My comment was simple...
Bring data from your up close and personal assessment of players that can control the midfield better than Nwakali....

You did not provide any!
Wiki screenshots all over the place... Again!

While I'm still struggling to see the relevance of league comparisons to the above question, I must remind you that:
1. The speed of light is the same anywhere on the Earth's surface
2. The speed of sound too is the same anywhere on earth's surface
3. Gravity is also a constant in most places at sea level.
Which implies that a 100m sprint at a speed of 5m/s in the Turkish league is the same as a 100m sprint at a speed of 5m/s in the premier league, these are empirical stats that are the same anywhere in the world, I don't understand where "context" comes into empirical discussions on the same physical plane.

Finally I will not be tempted to respond to other things you brought up, I do not see their relevance to our line of discussion .

Please do not derail this discuss, as the demand is a very simple one :You mentioned Nigerian names, names of Nigerian players in league 1 and 2 who you believe can control the midfield better than Nwakali, because you've watched them *up close and personal*
I then asked you humbly to give us empirical evidence from your up close and personal assessment notebook ( not Wikipedia screenshots) .

I believe when you go watch players, you write somethings down... Show us those things.

Abi your employers just take your word for it?
No data ,no stats, no PowerPoint presentations... If Komekn says the player is good then he's good, if he says the player is a waste man then he's a waste man and that's that!

Is that how things work in your professional world?

komekn:
I know you find this hard to believe.

If statistics were the beginning and end of player assessment.

There would be no need for a team of players and game analysts as well as video analysts. We would not be sending teams of scouts to watch players up close and personal. There would be no need to write up a player review.

We would simply jump on one of the plethora of site's purporting to carry out players analysis and statistics. Clubs would on that basis alone buy the players they want.

I know too many football club recruitment head's and officers, none of them look at stats alone.

There are other things mentality, work rate, discipline, adaptability, culture, skill sets, technical ability, physicality, pace , resilience, etc , etc.

When I talk about players with any depth 75% of the time it's players I've seen up close and personal.

So I am giving you a first hand deduction and view, sometimes that view is augmented with talking to the coaching staff associated with the player. On the odd occasion I may speak 🗣️ with his agent as well.

So how do you judge these things
1.work rate
2. Skill set
3. Pace
4. Technical ability
5. Physicality

Without data leading to statistics?
When a pro watches an event say a football match up close and personal, he generates data, stats interprete his raw data.

Culture, mentality, discipline and resilience are subjective variables which are difficult to analyse using data

So what exactly are you saying?
Baba bring out the data from your up "close and personal " encounters that shows how those Nigerian names you mentioned can control the midfield better than Nwakali like TheGoodjoe said....
There's no need for long Epistles!

TheSuperNerd supplies Nwakali stats every match day, you claim you watch those league one and league two players up close and personal... I say wow! That's even better!
So convince us, bring the damn data! Yours should even be more elaborate.

And please don't bring those boring screenshots from Wiki.. for once contribute to the richness of this thread by giving us a pro report from your" up close and personal journal" a peep into your professional world, enlighten us with some evidence not epistles

Except of course you're preaching a gospel you want us to accept by faith (the gospel according to Komekn )

komekn:
Football is not mathematics.

There is no probability theory that if you play more minutes you will score more goals.

Give V.O. 136 games over 6 season by the 3rd season he would have retired Vardy completely.Do you disagree ❓

Your performances earn you game time, the less you perform the less you play.

You don't seem to understand that.

Ademola was not given automatic game time he had to prove himself. He had same number of games as K.C. but scored 6 goals from the wing and earning MOTM against Liverpool. After KC was substituted he scored within 3 minutes a solo goal.

The thing is your track record here ideally shouldn't give you the moral right to compare Osimhen with anyone...

When this Osimhen was at Wolfsburg getting sub in to get 3, 4, 5minute cameos, you said he was no good and wouldn't make the academy of championship teams, if he was any good, he would get game time at " lowly Wolfsburg"

He went to Chaleroi got to start a run of games and today the rest is history .

Baba I when you look yourself in the mirror, what do you see?

komekn:
Football is not mathematics.

There is no probability theory that if you play more minutes you will score more goals.

Give V.O. 136 games over 6 season by the 3rd season he would have retired Vardy completely.Do you disagree ❓

Your performances earn you game time, the less you perform the less you play.

You don't seem to understand that.

Ademola was not given automatic game time he had to prove himself. He had same number of games as K.C. but scored 6 goals from the wing and earning MOTM against Liverpool. After KC was substituted he scored within 3 minutes a solo goal.

How time flies! So Victor Osimhen has now become a standard by which komekn run his comparisons?

Wow! Just wow!

This right here is a miracle worthy of the theme for a 7 day fasting and prayer

kingphilip:
Abeg wetin be the meaning?

Literarily " the mouth is a sworn servant" you can use it however you wish.

Blueelf:
Ha

You're right

They are delusional. They will support a mediocre team and blame any other factor but the mediocre players and their mediocre coach

I'm a little confused, what exactly are we supposed to be doing here?
The title of the thread reads " the super eagles thread..." Are we not supposed to be fans?
Fans support their team not because it is the best in the world! But because it is their team! Their damn team no matter how bad it is, they can criticise yes, but they still support!

Komekn has made himself abundantly clear over the years:
If your name is not Odion Ighalo , you were not born in England, and you do not play in any of the English leagues (EPL, championship, league 1, league 2, or at least the English national league) you are not good enough for the super eagles. Aye! aye!

Make your stance clear too baba, this one mediocrity that one mediocre, e get as e dey sound

TheGoodJoe:
That man has not said anything. I am the one telling him that there are different brands of possession play. He tried to imply that manch City does not play Tiki taka. That is heavu possession football. I already explained to him that his impression is false. Because Manchester City are now the kings of possession heavy possession play.


What you are posting is something we have discussed at length years ago.

Ok, maybe what I thought he was saying is not actually what he is saying

mostob:
Bielsa playing possession football

I hope you're not thinking what I think you're thinking