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TheGoodJoe:
You are not saying anything. Trying to shift gear, does not change nothing.

Tiki taka is possession football. Enrique plays Taka, which is an offensive brand of possession football. No matter the sign you throw in, it does not change that the brand of football played by Guardiola is possession football.

I have broken it down for you. If you want me to explain it further, I will.

You were wrong to think Guardiola brand of football is not similar.

There's no need for the argument, what the baba is saying is that there are different brands of possession football.... Tiki taka is a brand of possession football but it's not all there is to possession football.

Gengen pressing is a brand of posession football ( it's faster and wins the ball quickly)

There's sarriball which emphasises quick vertical passing

There's is the Marcelo Bielsa ultra attack brand also

komekn:
Even with hard facts, many will not believe it.

I've said this the approach of the NFF is open to several questions. And we know our NFF are corrupt and telling unrestrained lies is normal practice. Having this knowledge we will still believe the NFF over the parent .

What exactly is the "hard facts" here?
The words of Saka's mother is "hard facts"
But the NFF president's words are not?
Based on what empirical evidence did you conclude that Saka's mother is not corrupt but the NFF president is?

I will say it is emotive prejudice steeped in deep bias

Did she allege that money was demanded from her son before being allowed to play for Nigeria? Hell no!
All she could come up with was that she didn't like the way Pinnick spoke... Maybe the man refused to prostrate and lick her feet.

Arrant nonsense!
Palapala

Alfryd:
Update: Saka's Mother Has Opened On How Amaju Pinnick Failed To Lure Saka To Play For Nigeria

No doubt Saka is England's sensation at the World Cup, scoring a brace for the Three Lions in their opening game against Iran few days ago.

Looking into the circumstances surrounding his decision to represent England instead of his fatherland, Saka's mother is of the opinion that ex NFF President Amaju Pinnick may have contributed to it.

After former U-20 coach, Paul Aigbogun, approached Saka to join his team in 2018, owngoal Nigeria revealed that Pinnick had also made contact with the player who was just rising to the occasion at Arsenal.

Pinnick according to owngoal Nigeria had approached Saka's mother to help convince Saka, but, the mother wasn't comfortable with the way the football executive laid out his talks.

When all these was going on, England ceased the opportunity and handed the Nigerian a call-up to the national and honourably accepted; the rest became history.

Reacting about the kid's decision Pinnick took to Instagram to lash out to the kid, telling him that Nigeria is blessed with lots of talent scattered across football academies all over the world, and cannot stoop so low to begging him come to the Super Eagles.

"Saka is an excellent prospect but we have other players in his position who are playing so we'll," Pinnick said on Instagram Live chat in 2020.

"We have talents everywhere so we won't beg people to play for Nigeria. It is about ardour and fervour, if it's their desire and they merit it, they will be given a chance to represent Nigeria," he added.

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#NPFLupdate

If the report is correct, then Saka's mother with all due respect is talking in the rubbish and in the nonsense.
"She didn't like how the NFF president laid out his talk"
The NFF president should have promised to hand her son the captain's arm band
Her son has since been playing for England, she should just shut up and rest abeg.

TheSuperNerd:
I disagree with the emboldened...

Nigerian Football's True Glories may have started with the Super Eagles but it surely doesn't end with the Super Eagles.

We have national teams who did exceptionally well this year. We have players who dorned our jerseys and repped with distinction. Are we gonna ignore them just because the Super Eagles lost 5 friendlies in one year?

What about the fact that this same Super Eagles sit top of their Afcon Qualifiers group? We could lean a bit on that.

Now look at this, holistically... in 2022:

- Nigeria's U17 Golden Eaglets won the Wafu B Afcon Qualifiers tournament with distinction. We won all games. We have lads like Emmanuel Michael, Abubakar Abdullahi, Precious Williams, Richard Odoh (GK), Jibril Azeez, Raphael Oyebanjo, Basil Mbata, Ebube Okere, Ozor Okeke, Miracle Ogwor, Yahaya Lawali, Jeremiah Olaleke, Light Eke etc all in that squad of truly talented youngsters.

Are we not gonna recognise them?

- Nigeria's U20 Flying Eagles won the Wafu B Afcon Qualifiers Tournament as well. We won it unbeaten.

The squad includes impressively talented lads like Daniel Daga, Ibrahim Muhammed, Tolulope Ojo, Oluwatosin Adegbite, Nathaniel Nwosu (GK), Ahmed Abdullahi and a few more.

Are we not gonna recognise them?


- Nigeria’s Flamingoes won Bronze at the FIFA U17 WWC becoming the Second African side to bag a medal at that level.
Impressive lasses like Opeyemi Ajakaye, Amina Bello, Edidiong Etim, Miracle Usani, Taiwo Afolabi, Faith Omilana (GK), etc.

Should we ignore them too??


- Our Super Falcons didn't win the Wafcon but we saw Asisat Oshoala earn a Ballon D'or Nomination and ranking this year. When was the last time a Nigerian player man or woman earned that?


I think we should go ahead with the NNFF Awards. We have feats and talents to recognise even in the midst of a bad year in general for the Super Eagles.


Cc Danielnino00, Icon4s.

Valid points !
However I'll argue that some of the award categories will look like a joke if we are to have nominees for them, bearing in mind that the award has always been "super Eagles centric" over the years, now imagine the following:

1. Who and who will be the Nominees for goalkeeper of the year Uzoho or okoye


2. Most impactful new inclusion? Who? Where is the impact? Definitely not in the super eagles, in the super falcons, maybe people like Plumptre will be nominated but what impact? The falcons had one of the worst if not their worst Awcon outing this year.

3. Defender of the year: can we give it to the under 17 left back? Winning the WAFU B tourney should not be enough to win "defender" of the year... So again the question arises, who will be the Nominees?
Super eagles players! And it'll look like a joke, we simply do not have defenders that deserve the award this year

In conclusion while I agree that the award should hold to appreciate the few performers we had in 2022 (very few in fact) some award categories should be left out (so we don't look like jokers), or we create new categories to target the teams that made us happy in what has been a gloomy year for Nigerian football

Danielnino00:
Gents, Ladies, good evening.

As we all know, it's been rather a bad year for our football..At least mostly... we saw shege here and there...But there were also a few positives too.

In light of this, I'd like the thread's opinion as to whether the annual Nairaland Nigeria football fans award should go ahead this year? And if the thread permits,I'd like to organize the award again this year.

Those in support of the award to go ahead, click like...those against should click share.

Thank you



CC: icon4s

I don't think there's any point to the awards this year.

No Nigerian footballer deserves any awards this year.
Some may have done well for their clubs but none has done anything worthy of recognition for any of the national sides

TheGoodJoe:

Stop shifting goal post.

You were trying to make it look like Segunda at 24 is career over. However, Jamie Vardy at 24 was in Conference league and still became a phenomenal EPL player.

Finito.

Baba wait a minute, are you sure the English conference league is not above the Spanish segunda in quality?
Don't just assume, with Komekn league rankings is a very dicey business.
So ask!

komekn:
Over the past 7 seasons Vardy has scored no less than 15 goals a season in the EPL. He scored 15 last EPL season .

KC scored 4 goals last season and his best season in life was 2020/21 , where he scored 12 goals in the EPL.

Vardy has had a few injuries it's suspected he is not as good but that not withstanding, his not so good is still way better than KC best.

There is no justification to drop Vardy for KC in the past and or present, Vardy may be 35 but he is still performing.

Consider the bold that is hypocrisy and double standard. Considering KC scored 4 last season and your calling a man who scored 15 last season already finished.

Waoh!
See who's back!
Senior man, while you were away Sadiq Umar, you remember him? The clumsy good for nothing footballer, who Lord Stephen Gerard rejected at rangers and only makes Super eagles invite lists due to emotive sentiments? Yea, he got purchased by Real Sociedad and has even started scoring in La Liga o
About 3 goals in 4 games now, does this mean the La Liga is below championship?
Umar that cannot make the bench of a championship mid table team, a guy whose level is league 1 scoring goals in la Liga... Such poor standards!
Can you imagine!

yemyke001:
Osimhen needs to watch Haaland to learn movement and positioning

Rather Napoli players/coaches need to watch Man City and learn how to play to the strength of their number 9.

TheLoneCitizen:
Fernandinho was card-resistent, is black and fouled anything that moved.

If you watch the Serie A, you will realise how trigger happy the refs are.

Brendan Rodgers will be next
Jamie Vardy will eventually have to release his nudes

TheGoodJoe:

I did not say that. Remember, the reflection is with respect to France and Spain team. If you make modern tactical adjustments to suit the modem game but in a defensive pattern. It is your way. And it can help. But, the France team lacked even the understanding of such concepts to pull it off.

Now with respect to defensive and possessive, the possessive side remains superior when you compare it to the ideas of the modern game.

He who controls the ball, controls the game. That is why Guardiola has the most win percentage in the modern era to all coaches. Because his side controls the game more.

No top club will hire a manager today that can not control the game better than most managers. Why? Because those who hold the ball better are actually the better manager.

It is not true that controllers are generally the better managers, it is all about what you want, what the fans want and what the owners want.

See Guardiola has better win percentage in the modern era not necessarily because is the absolute best! Yes, he loves to pass teams to oblivion, naturally he likes to dominate, follow me.
The rich club owners love their teams to dominate other teams (it is the syche of the average rich man) so they keep hiring Guardiola who is as obsessed as they (the rich men)are Guardiola inturn keeps buying the best players, coupled with his undeniable knowledge in possession play, he keeps winning!
Simple logic!
It doesn't necessarily make him the best ever, it is just what it is.

TheGoodJoe:

If you have average players that are advanced in tactical concepts, and play it well, they will outclass a side with top players that have average understanding of the tactical game.

An excerpt from Jurgen Klopp;
Too often the team with the better individuals won the game because it was all one-versus-one challenges all over the pitch, so if the other player was better than you, how could you win?

Sacchi's organisation made it completely different.

It meant I watched 500 videos of AC Milan.

Pretty much overnight we became a successful football team. We were not easy to deal with. We defended really well and it opened my mind.

That was the basis for me when I became a manager, and still is. Organisation is the basis of football.

So, tactical understanding bridged the gap between skill and intelligence. Now it has even advanced.

So it is no more about talent but understanding of the game. Couple with talents, you advance even more.

See I play defensive and you play possessive doesn't necessarily mean you understand the game more than me!
I play football the way I understand it tactically (defensive) you play football the way you understand it (possession) now who told you my understanding is inferior to yours?
Who is the superiority other judge?
Expansive sexy football and defensive edge of the seat football both involve knowledge!
Who is the judge that says one knowledge is better than the other?

TheGoodJoe:

Please, explain to me why the top teams in England today play with a possessive fashion. Manchester City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham Hotspur. Even struggling Mancheter United went for Ten Hag that plays in that fashion.

You will see the same in other top leagues.

No one says you must play in a possessive fashion. The fact is that the possessive sides do better in a long run.

I agree with you that the top sides now play "possessive" football, but do they really? All of them?
But let's also agree that a team is not necessarily better than another because it plays possesive football and the other does not.

But the logic of football even at amateur level is if you have the better players chances are, you are going to have the ball more, if your team has a better number 6, a better number 8, and a better number 5 and 4 you'll naturally dominate possession all things being equal... These days with money comes better players and with better players comes ball dominance
Those teams you listed have more money than the rest, so it's only natural that they dominate play, their true colors come to the fire when they play each other: namely the hard core possession guys aka Guardiola and Klopp and the guys who don't really care just win! aka Conte, and the guy in between aka Tuchel
Antonio Conte for example isn't a possession freak, yet a really good tactician...
If Tottenham plays Nottingham forest today, naturally Tottenham will dominate simple logic!

But when he wants to play Man City, he'll play to his/ his team's strength, defensive discipline!

Guardiola on the other hand will rather loose 10 nil but have the major share of possession, that's his strength... Doesn't necessarily make him better than Conte

TheGoodJoe:
The better side lost. If they play that game ten times, Barcelona will win far more.

I hate this statement, and it's the favorite of possession football fans.
But there's no football rule that says the team with the better possession will be awarded the win!
So what made you better if you hug 98% of the ball and I still beat you?
Your strategy is to play to your strengths which is hugging the Ball, my strength is to stay solid at the back and hit you on the counter... You play to your strengths, and I play to mine, so who says you're better than me?

Abeg the better team is the team that wins on the day, anybody wey like make e hug the ball, na their wahala be that.

PS: defensive football also involves a lot of tactical discipline and know how abeg

Abeg
TheSuperNerd, charlesemeka85, Cecco90

Can you guys just stop the vawulence?
It's enough please, the thread in the last five pages or so is becoming an eyesore!

Make una no vex abeg.
Let's go back to talking football

lovewins:
Falcon's play Monday 9pm

Oh!
That's true ... Thanks

Anyone have an idea which site will stream the falcon's match tonight?

FalseProphet1:
For a nurse to do that to a doctor means she's sleeping with the CMD or a high ranking medical director in the hospital and the doctor has zero authority over her.

This I have seen.

This comment is ignorant and annoying, shows you've been watching too much Nollywood.

FYI a Doctor is not the nurse's boss they belong to different professional bodies, and one is not supposed to have "authority" over the other.

But matter of fact Komekn has nothing against Porto, the fact that a Nigerian made left back aka Zaidu Sanusi is consistently starting games at a supposedly top European club like Porto was giving him sleepless nights, a Nigerian born and bred left back can't possibly be quality, it doesn't make sense, so problem had to be Porto, Porto had to be a useless team, infact so useless it is the equivalence of mid table championship teams.
Hence the Fulham comparisms.
The day Sanusi leaves Porto, and Porto signs Fred onyedinma or any of his carpenter init boys, the narrative will change

As at December 2021, Luiz Diaz was part of the Porto team, and according to Komekn back then he( Diaz) isn't good enough to make the Fulham team

God1000:
you can't conclude that way bro, he will be a visionary, proactive and pragmatic leader

Lol
I was once a sowore fan
I even actively campaigned for him in 2019.
But his recent activities has shown that he will be a worse tyrant than Buhari if he ever gets to Aso rock.
People who believe they are always right, and others are always wrong don't make good leaders and that is sowore's character.

The nail in his coffin for me was when he joined IPOB singing Nnamdi Kanu is a saviour in court.... Just because you hate Buhari,. You started supporting someone who wants to break up the country?
A true nationalist would never do that, no matter what!

komekn:
Everything in context.

When you are the lowest paid person in a football club and you are getting barely €3k, it tells you how much they value.

Before the season has ended they tried to offload him without success for essentially peanuts €80k but nobody wanted him even for next to NOTHING.

One the opportunity arose, before the season has ended they have terminated his contract. What does that tell you❓ Add to that they tried to illegally terminate his contract before the player's union got involved.

They have now terminated the contract most likely using a clause in the contract that allows them to terminate before the season.

What's the relevance of Isaac Success, to this discussion. Issac success was overweight , Indisciplined and a complete waste man in the EPL. Whether he earned 20k or 3k it is of no relevance.

Nwakali released a statement on Twitter a few hours ago, detailing his ordeal with Huesca.
I hope you have not read it, but if you you've read it and you still continue to tow this nonsense ( contract termination due to quality) line of yours, then I must say... You are SOULLESS, and worse than a Demon, and there's no iota of humanity left in you

Joezinho:
Bros, that 2014 squad reeked of corruption...The likes of Eguekwe, Ruben, Babatunde, Agbim, Uchebo and Ameobi etc had no business in that team.

Uzoenyi gets a pass cos he was the MVP at the CHAN but it was hard justifying his place while the likes of Uche ike, Obasi, Aluko etc were left out. It was a disgrace..

We forget things so easily in this country and it's the reason why people like OBJ , Good luck Jonathan, IBB are national heroes today and someone like Sunday Igboho will wake up on a good side of his bed one morning and become a freedom fighter/liberator... In 5 years' time Buhari too (if he is still alive) will be offering advice on how to grow the economy, because we would have forgotten how terribly he handled the economy

My point is.. prior to and during the 2013 nation's cup, Ike uche was fighting Keshi, he wanted to turn himself to a mafia leader in the super eagles forgetting that Keshi himself was a master mafia, there was no way he could have made the world cup squad even if his name was Messi.
Obasi was always injured and unreliable, Aluko too was in decline... He couldn't even make the AFCON winning team the year before (2013) Eguekwe, Odunlami, Oboabona were giving stellar performances at the heart of the defence.. heck Oboabona even retired Yobo to the bench (because he was better) Agbim was third choice ( he was never going to play anyway), Michael babatunde justified his inclusion in the squad before injury ended his tournament...
Please guys kill this talk abeg

komekn:
My approach to games stats is they are indicative and not conclusive .

They help you to understand a player not necessarily conclude.

And your are entitled to your opinion again itsva matter of perspective. What got be instance Klopp and Pep will call a great performance is different from day Moyes and Gerrard.

But what I can assure the KPI 's associated with Midfield play will be at the center in of it. Those KPI',s I have already stated.

What would be interesting was for you to state where in those KPI' s he Nwakali excelled, or was good in your own opinion.

Oga
Saudiq had a poor game everyone agreed ... No arguments, because a poor game is a poor game, visible even to the blind.
Nwakali created 3 big chances in the first half, would have had at least one assist had saudiq been clinical, he put a corner on a plate for Ajayi, all set piece deliveries were spot on
He was the midfield ball recycler when Nigeria had 70% possession all through the first half and early in the second.... 92% passing accuracy.

What KPI are you looking for again?
Stats are indicative to you and not conclusive, yet you are quick to ask how many goals and assists the boy has for his club.

Oga abeg rest this matter!

Just admit you were wrong about him and move on, better still you can spin your HERE AND NOW narrative, we will understand

Abi the guy snatch your woman?

Joezinho:
And how did Nwakali bring calmness to the midfield?

By making back passes thereby putting his team under immense pressure? He kept passing it back, he tried to dribble and lost it.... Even ndidi grew tired of the back passes...

The midfield got weaker with Nwakali's introduction. The attacking drive from the midfield reduced..

Thank God you got the point, every other thing is subjective, I believe we both watched the match howbeit with different eyes, I no get strength to argue that one.
I saw what I saw, you see what you want to see and believe what you want to believe.
But be prepared because Nwakali will start the next game, he is good at what he does whether you see it or not... And passing it back it also a big part in bringing control.... See I don taya abeg.
I no get strength.

andrewbaba44:
It’s the coach decision for him to be in the team and not me ,even onyekuru with a very poor season made it to the afcon so nothing new .

If you have not seen any hype then you aren’t always on this thread .

Happy Sunday

lol I sleep and wake up here, I just do not enjoy typing that much, I find it burdensome.
Maybe our definition of hype is different.
What you see as hype, I see as explanations.
No one has said he is the best in the world or even in Africa, or the best in segunda ( that is hype) , no one has said he is a finished product either.
All what the supposed hypers have been doing is explaining why they think he should be in the team

Joezinho:
onyeka is a box to box midfielder (except you haven't been watching brentford's game all season).. Most times he drops back to help initiate buildup and make an impact in the final third but that doesn't make him a pure DM..

Okay agreed... Box to box ba? Good
Can Nwakali play box to box? No!
Do you need a box to box midfielder when you want to bring calmness and recycle the ball in midfield? No!
You see why one cannot compete with the other? A tank is not in competition with a Ferrari ( Aba made) they do different jobs.
It's that simple

andrewbaba44:
You guys should rest abeg ,both the Nwakali slanders and hypers

He didn’t have the best game and also he didn’t have a bad game ,no need for you to start this nonsense hype setting him up for drags ,you don even Dey mention kome moniker ,I laugh Swahili
Nwakali hype men and slanders make una rest .

This is where you guys get it wrong, difficulty in separating hype from simple explanations.
I've not seen any hype of Nwakali on this thread, just clarifications and explanations.
Why is he in the team? And why is he playing.
I don't understand why you call that hype
We are only trying to explain that he is on the pitch for footballing reasons , nothing else

Joezinho:
These are the strange and weird things we get to see..

Imagine a wack player getting played ahead of frank the Tank. It's beyond shocking. Eguavoen is trying so hard to sell Nwakali..Same thing he did in 2006 AFCON (taking a wack 19 year old Paul Obiefule to the tourney)..There are other players ahead of him that should be getting on the pitch.

How else are we supposed to explain that Nwakali and onyeka are different players and one cannot do the other's job? Nwakali is playing ahead of onyeka because we needed someone to stabilize the midfield.
Eguavon is not Rohr that will play Ndidi and onyeka (both pure DMs) together against an inferior team.
In the current set up onyeka is not competing with Nwakali, his competition is Ndidi ! And Nwakali has no competition (at what he does) in this AFCON squad.
How else are we to explain this? TheSuperNerd and TheGoodjoe have explained this over and over again.
And I find it surprising that Komekn with all his supposed involvement in football at the highest level still find it difficult to understand the simple point: Frank the TANK Nwakali the Ferrari (maybe Aba made Ferrari at present but a Ferrari all the same) you don see where Dem replace Ferrari with Tank before? .... They serve different purposes my man.

komekn:
Well it seems the whole of the coaching staff at Arsenal, MVV Maastricht, Venlo, Porto B and even Huesca in the Segunda Division where he is the second lowest paid player in his club. Seem not understand him.

So not just the fans but all the coaching staff in that have been involved with him apart from the NFF coaching staff who have given him undue opportunity.

Well I dare say you are correct with a little modification though which is they probably do not need his skill set. Not every team will need an Nwakali kind of player, he is the type of player that can only thrive in specific tactical setups. It is who they are, it's not their fault if you do not need them and decide to move them on.

Nwakali is the Jorginho of the super Eagles
A player grossly misunderstood at this Early stages
But he will become important and loved with time, and a run of games.
In my eyes, he was magnificent today.
But players like him suffer unfair criticism because most soccer fans do not understand them , what they do, and why they bring to their team's midfield.

As for sodiq... You never know what to expect from him.
One day he is Messi and Ronaldo rolled into one... On another he becomes so atrocious you'll wonder how he became a pro.
But one thing you should never do is write him off!
Sodiq will show up in his own time, it is what it is.

bazooka1:
I have been courteous enough with my replies to you. If if you can't return the favor, trust me, I can roll my sleeves and dance in the mud with you all night long. It's not a threat.

with safarigirl ? You don't want go that path bro , believe me.
And by the way , na you start am.
I call it a draw now, please
I'm enjoying the sweet posts, it's a football festival season, abeg no start any fights

chrisooblog:
I'm just curious.

In one instance you said Nwakali wasn't training with the Arsenal first team, today to buttress your point you now agree he indeed trained with the likes of Ozil, Ramsey and co at the time. Good

Don't waste your energy arguing with Komekn we were here when he said no championship club will sign Osimhen, and he will struggle to even make it into the academy of any EPL team, we were also here when he denied it all and brought his "here and now" rule.
We will all be here someday in the future when Nwakali will get signed by a top team and he will deny/twist all he is posting here today, he will even challenge you as usual to bring out 2 posts where he said Nwakali is a total failure.
Just give it time