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thesicilian:
typing. a minute pls..
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Like I said, the world is spiritual, much more spiritual than physical. Take the human body for example. What is the difference between a dead man and a live man? How come the dead man still has his organs - eyes, heart, kidneys, brain etc but can no longer function? Because that part that is invisible, the spirit and the soul, has left him. We can't "prove" the spirit or soul exist, but we all know and believe they are there. Why? because we see the effect, and what happens when you take them away.
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The same way a perfectly working light bulb will not come on unless there is electricity. We can feel the effect of electricity, but we cant see it. But we know they are there.
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Now let me take your points one by one and tell you of personal encounters:
Miracles - I have seen with my own eyes countless miracles. I once saw well known a mad man on the streets receive his healing after being prayed for by a pastor. I have also seen a little girl being exorcised of terrible demons.
African bullet proof/Satanist - Now as for bullets I haven't seen. But my own personal experience with a "traditional worshipper" is this: I once had a man who was injured in am accident. He fell of his motorcycle and sustained deep cuts on his leg that needed to be repaired/sewn/stitched in the hospital. Now here is the part that was a little ironic: When he fell, his skin was torn. But when it was time to stitch his leg with a needle, no needle could penetrate. In the end he ordered us all out of the room, nobody knows what he did but when he called us back in minutes later, we were able to stitch with ease and stop the bleeding... I myself may not have believed if I was told. Till today its the only case I have seen.
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There are many things that are beyond our comprehension, and it will only show a great lack of wisdom to try to explain it in physical terms. A man threatens to deal with his neighbor, days later the neighbour ends up with a stroke. All investigation in the hospital proves the man is 'perfectly normal'. But this man is dying of a stroke. No drug is working. Then he gets prayed for by a pastor and he's back on his feet at that instant. And you say you don't believe in the spiritual?

Well written and logical to some extent.

You say man is alive because of his spirit right?
So why is it that if I grab your neck and hold it tightly depriving your brain of oxygen, you will be dead under 10minutes? If we are alive because of our spirits why does the spirit not just hang in there while the choking is going on. Why can a simple thing such as choking kill a man that is alive by means of a spirit that can't be choked?

VictorRomanov:
Well i don't know ur gain is by being rude. One thing i know is that it does a bad job at convincing people.

I am having a more civilized discussion with someone else here. So enjoy ur rudeness.

Enjoy your civilized discussion cos I don't know where I was rude to you in the first place. Reason for my answer (u aint seen rude yet).

hopefuLandlord:
Video tricks bro

You are wrong bro. Not video tricks I am well experienced with delivering possessed people.
They are real. But the question is what is really happening? And I have answered that above

VictorRomanov:
I'll do that. I am sure u ve also seen youtube videos of people posting their demon possesion videos or those of others....u have any thoughts on that.

Demon possession is a psychological thing it is not real.
I was once a pastor and casted "demons"

Even when I stopped believing God and could not tell my church members I was till casting demons.

I once had a deep discussion with a girl I delivered from witchcraft. I asked her a lot of questions and I discovered it's psychological. They don't have any real powers, they can't hold meetings in the spirit world. They only think they do.

As I said in the op give a witch a written message isolate her in a room and ask her to read the message to her counterparts in their meeting. Then go and ask the counterparts what the message is. you will realize they are not what they claim to be. Cos they can't pass this test

thesicilian:
I think I already answered that, don't know why you chose to ask it again.
They are all real.

What I mean is, "which do you have proof of?"

VictorRomanov:
Does being atheist make one rude and talk or say things dey don't know.

U aint seen rude yet.

hopefuLandlord:
Angel is a magician and a trickster

Even he doesn't believe in the supernatural

He laid a challenge for someone that said he has psychic powers

https://en.m.wikinews.org/wiki/Criss_Angel_challenges_Uri_Geller_and_Jim_Callahan_over_paranormal_claims

The likes of chris angel are even better magicians than our local magicians yet all they use are tricks and human psychology to fool their audience.

VictorRomanov:
I am not here to defend unfounded news and stories, just want to ask a question.



Do u know Chris Angel and have u watched any of his shows, how do u think he does what he does?

Yes I have and I have also watched Valentino's videos on youtube exposing ALL the tricks Chris Angel uses. Just type "THE MASKED MAGICIAN" on youtube and enjoy!

You will be shocked at how easy it is too fool humans.

All the tricks exposed and even more unbelievable ones too.

Problem is you people don't research, u believe everything you see and hear

thesicilian:
They are all real. You don't have to believe in them, but they are there.

Who is talking about belief here? I am talking about real life you are talking belief. Believe it or not, the sun exists and does not need anyone to believe before they know the sun exists.
Address any of the points I raised. Which of them is real?

I won't waste time typing an epistle.

Money Rituals
You argue endlessly that blood money is real. Name the world billionaires that did money rituals

Have you seen how poor and wretched those who even sell the human parts are? Why sell a human head for as cheap as N5,000 when that head has potential of vomiting Millions or even Billions? At least you have done a terrible thing by killing a fellow human, the least you can do is to at least sell the parts for more reasonable amount of money. Does this not tell you it's all a scam?

Ok ok, you have Heard stories of people turning to snake in hotel when they went to meet an "Alhaji" and the Alhaji used the lady for money rituals and she turned to a big snake with Human head. Such stories are only seen on cheap blogs and magazines, you don't see such an Epic story on Channels TV or AIT or BBC. You only Hear how many have you seen ? Have you ever seen evidence of people vomitting money as portrayed in Nollywood movies?

someone could be traffiking drugs and because he keeps his business secret rumors start to fly that such a person did "Blood money"


How more stuupid can people be?

Those Ritualists are only taking advantage of peoples ignorance. I will open a thread to fully discuss this scam later as I have a first hand experience.


Church Miracles

Now this is the most unfortunate one.
We can spend all year discussing this fraud called church miracles but I will make it simple.

In what situation does one need God's intervention and a miracle?
Definitely in situations where man is helpless.

Do I need prayers to get a wife? NO
Do I need a miracle to get a Job? NO

A Real need of miracle is to see amputated limbs grow not headaches cured.

A real need of a miracle is to demand a beheaded man be resurrected not someone in coma coming back from coma.

Why are people praising God? Where is the miracle?
With millions people who get one part or the other amputated every year, why is it that we don't see at least ONE just ONE amputee's limbs growing back just once in 10years?

But every sunday around the world hundreds of millions of christians are sharing testimonies of God's miracles Yet NOT ONE amputee even just once in 10 years!


Satanists

Oh yeah, the most deluded of the bunch. They believe satan gives them everything instantly unlike God. Lol
They claim they interact with demons
They claim they can travel out of their bodies.

YET no satanist can travel out of his body and go and deliver a message to another satanist just the way we pick up our phones and call friends to discuss. Or should we put it to the test? I give you a message and you use your astral projection to go and deliver the message accurately?
Not possible!
So why are there people who believe this Nonsense?
Human stupidity!

African Bullet proof!
It's astonishing that almost 99% of Nigerians believe this magic exists. Even highly supposedly educated intellectuals.
Wait a minute.
Do you know that we don't even have good herbalists in this generation compared to 100years ago when our forefathers were full blooded traditionalists?

When our local warriors where 100% soaked in Charms and voodoo?

Go back 100 years in african history and you will see how the Europeans came to Africa with their guns and razed down many of our villages and ancient cities including the Great Benin kingdom.

Where was the bullet proof charm? Did any European run back to Europe to tell tales of a people that bullet and knives could not penetrate?

If they experience such, trust me it would be part of the history we would be reading today.

Why are Governments spending Billions of Dollars to buy and develop bullet proof vests and vehicles?

Common sense is indeed not common.

Jacksonville:
I'm not the bringer of death, neither am i the giver of life. But let me tell you as the spirit leads, what you bring upon yourself would be left upon your shoulders to carry.

Keep quoting me out of ignorance, you will seek what you find.

Is that all? This how some people end up beheading others because they think they have god's backing. You have a problem, better see a psychiatrist before you kill someone from your frustrations

hopefulLandlord:
Threats, threats and threats that's all they have

Why do these people need to threaten people online?

Another characteristic of their supposed Yahweh

Don't mind him.
He can't command a mosquito to die, he is here forming mr curse. In his little mind he thinks he is powerful

Jacksonville:
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I won't banter words with you. But if you disturb my peace, i will evoke GOD's wrath upon your life. Enough said, now go back to your cave.

That is exactly what I want you to do.
Oya be quick with it. Infact command that I die with immediate effect

Jacksonville:
K

Don't edit my posts. Or are you ashamed of the Cursed part? Are curses not your heritage anymore?
The cursing expert.

Jacksonville:
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Is that all?

That is all your excellence sir. Have a curse filled day

uckennety:
JESUS CHRIST

May God punish any one dt v hurt you

You seeeem lyk a 9ce person

I would leave you until you @ least grant me a fone call!

Dating game or not! Wise or not

Pick me or not

interested or not

Am also like you and I want quit!

D only way I stop is if I lost my brain,fone,internet or life

Am serious

You don lost your brain already. Hope you find it sha. Once again "na joke I dey joke o" yimu

halfricanadian:
NOT INTERESTED CUDNT B ANY MORE CLEARER IF I NEED A MAN I WILL FIND OK
NOW IM WISER IN D DATING GAME
FREE ME

Chai! Wicked guys have dealt with you? Just kidding

Jacksonville:
I see what you can't see...I will use you just like Elisha did with those children after his days of seeking the face of GOD'... I prophesy upon your life. for raining insults. You will look for good things in life, you won't get it. You will sweat for good things to come by. You won't get them In Jesus name.


Until you ask GOD to forgive you and ask for GOD to touch my heart to let you GO.

I shak my d!ck for you. Is that all? U sabi curse and yet you have not used this ability to solve any world problem?

Edybleketara:
Hello

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honourhim:
John 3; 16 says.....that WHOSOEVER believeth in him WILL NOT PERISH.

Salvation is for WHOSOEVER embraces it.



Why will you choose to die a sinner and go to hell when there is a better choice of salvation? Doesnt that show how evil minded you are? Why will somebody see fire and desire to end in it when there is a way out?




God is a creator and displaying his creativity everywere. In some worlds he created perfection. In our world he created imperfections that can be perfected. in another world he made no room for perfection. Thats the creator at work. That imperfection dwells in the earth does not mean that it is so in other realms or universe that God created. This is where you have found yourself and you have to work according to his guidelines concerning this place.

What is God's desire? That ALL men be saved. If god wants that so much why not make us all exist in heaven without coming to earth, why put us through the test?

honourhim:
Yet when we kneel down to pray we say we are in the presence of God. When we go to church we say we are in the presence of God.Do we go to heaven before saying that? When God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Elijah and Jesus did they come visiting him in Heaven? Why are you people evil minded?

This is information from a bible study website

Question: "Does Satan still have access to Heaven? Why does God allow Satan to enter Heaven, as recorded in the Bible?"

Answer: Satan was originally one of God's holy angels, but he rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven (Luke 10:18). That was only the first stage of his judgment. Satan's kingdom was vanquished at the cross (John 12:31–32). Later, he will be bound in the abyss for one thousand years (Revelation 20:1–3) and then will be cast into the lake of fire for eternity (Revelation 20:10).

Until his final judgment, Satan is "the prince of this world" (John 14:30), but it seems that he still has restricted access to the heavenly realms. In Job 1:6, Satan stands in the presence of God. There is a similar situation in 2 Chronicles 18:18–21 involving a "lying spirit."

Since God is holy and absolutely without sin (Isaiah 6:3), and since He will not even look on evil (Habakkuk 1:13), how can Satan be in heaven? The answer involves God's sovereign restraint of sin. In Job 1, Satan stood before God to give an account of himself. God initiated the meeting, led the proceedings, and remained in absolute control (verse 7). The result was that Satan's power was limited (verse 12) and God was glorified.

Here are some other facts to note: 1) Satan does not have open access to God's presence. He is summoned by God. 2) The visits are temporary. His time before God's throne is limited. 3) In no way is the purity of heaven tainted by the brief, God-ordained presence of a sinful being, "quarantined," as it were, by God's regulatory power. And, 4) Satan's access is only granted prior to the final judgment. After the judgment, God creates a new heaven and new earth (Revelation 21:1), wipes away all tears from our eyes (verse 4), reveals the New Jerusalem (verse 10), and promises the complete absence of sin (verse 27).

When we say, "God cannot allow sin into heaven," we simply mean that God cannot allow human beings who are still in their sin to live in His presence. But it is possible for God to command a sinful being to stand (temporarily) in His presence in order to commission him (Isaiah 6), to exact an account from him (Job 1-2), or to judge him (Revelation 20:11–15) without compromising His holiness.

God's holiness will eventually consume all sin. Until that day, His holiness regulates sin, and that means that Satan, on certain occasions, is briefly summoned before his Creator to give an account of his actions.












Who should I believe? You or those who believe satan visits heaven literally?

Image123:
Goal shiftings from a frustrated fellow. Your question has been answered as usual, it's okay for you to ignore as usual, or run off to create another thread for penance. You thought your master "refused to repent and prefers to be in hell". Now, it is that he has calmly agreed. Did he discuss with you? You try to define God to suit your definition, now it is satan's turn? Stuff does not sound like satan to you, what does, and from where do you get your picture? Get over it, satan is a loser and he knows it, when will you?

Where is the answer

honourhim:
Again stop dodging my question. Did Moses, Abraham, Elijah, Jesus and others who spoke with God do that by going to heaven? You are just trying to cover your SHAME. You quoted bible and i used bible to expose your errors and shame yet you are still messing up.

Lol
What is this one feeling like?
Dodging your question? What is there to dodge. Job 1:6 said they sons of god gathered before god, this was not in figurative terms at all. I am well familiar with christian desperation that makes you guys twist literal literature to suit what ever fancies you. And when it favours you again you would still say the sons of God gathered in heaven before God.

Ok ok let me compromise, let us assume satan was not actually before God but was there by means of prayers (as ur silly argument says), was satan not living in heaven all his life before he revolted? Does he not know how sweet heaven is? Yet he has no regrets about being condemned to hell. How about that?

honourhim:
Yet when we kneel down to pray we say we are in the presence of God. When we go to church we say we are in the presence of God.Do we go to heaven before saying that? When God spoke to Moses, Abraham, Elijah and Jesus did they come visiting him in Heaven? Why are you people evil minded?

Hehehehehe
You want to play the figurative card now. Lol
So he was visiting god figuratively in prayer abi? Lol

honourhim:
Sorry this does not show heaven. In heaven there is no day and night as we observe on earth so its not heaven abeg. No counting of days. Learn to be sincere.

God was being visited, so where is the abode of god?
Earth?
Lol
You people are a confused set

Medicis:
show us a verse in the Bible where the devil regularly visits God in Heaven?

Job 1:6 shows it is a regular thing for the angels and devil to come before god. And within the book of job you see that the devil kept visiting regularly

Image123:
He's smart enough to know that he has been judged. Your gnashing fellows are not. Beat it.

Lol see excuse. For a devil that could revolt against, yet he has calmly agreed to give up heaven for eternal torment. That does not sound like satan to me. The stories don't make sense cos they are nothing but stories. If heaven was so fantastic, the devil will not hesitate to try and take over again or even beg once a while for a second chance

winner01:
Those things that makes sense to man may not always be right.
You may be married to your wife for 10 years and rationalize the urge to find a younger babe to satisfy your desires. It may make sense to you but its not right.

It does not matter what our wishes are. It does not matter what seems rational to us. The universe created us to live suffer and die, according to the atheists. This in itself is not rational. There is no reason why we should live then if man is damned in hopelessness.

There is even no reason why you are typing this cos the universe that allegedly created you cares less if you believe in truth or falsehood.

There is a need in man that clings tightly to purpose even when he denies the reality of purpose. That is a good proof for the existence of a Creator.

Long story all to no avail.
How does this answer my op?
God wants all to be saved, so why not just create us all into heaven? Why come to earth first?
It's not rocket science. Putting earth in the equation alone would guarantee that majority end in hell for wide is the path thereof to destruction. So it is either God enjoys burning people while pretending to be the most loving being ever or earth is a second chance from a life before earth were we all offended God.

honourhim:
Pls show me where it says that the devil visited God in heaven to talk about Job or you bury your head in SHAME.
All the people that spoke with God in the bible- Abraham, Moses, Elijah and Jesus etc. did they visit him in heaven before doing that? The voice of God that spoke from heaven when Jesus was baptized did the people that heard it go to heaven before they heard it? The prayers we say here on earth to God and the answers we receive from him do we go to haven to receive it?
Keep messing yourself up while thinking you are making mockery of the scripture.

Job 1:6 or did they hold the meeting in your bedroom?

Image123:
This only gets poorer, evidently the devourer is eating up whatever is left of the commonsense you obtained in Sunday school, or you simply had little knowledge in Sunday school but was only after toys like miracles.
Joh 16:11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.

The devil and his cohorts have already been sentenced, even before the creation of Adam. He has no place of repentance again. Same thing happens after man dies, after death, no more repentance but judgement. This is kindergaten stuff, you should be ashamed of your Sunday school. Again.

Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

Nonsense!
Judged or not won't the occupants of hell not still cry for mercy even though it is too late, yet they shall still gnash their teeth in regret.
The devil may be judge for all I care, YET, visiting heaven and being fully aware of what hell is like should have been enough to make the devil still beg to be forgiven even if it won't change anything.