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He isn't lying sha!

An acquaintance, whose company did contracts for the State government told me about 2 years ago what was goin-on.

He mentioned they getting a 10 billion contract and our very own 'Constituted authority' calling for his own 6 billion naira cut.
...this without buying a pin.

They usually ended up doing nothing or little in the end.

I have every reason to believe the black man is cursed!

The British left Nigeria, with all the World's potential-- 50 years later, poverty capital of the world!

The Boers were eased out in South Africa-- 30 years later, corruption, unemployment, rape, HIV and abject poverty are are at unrivalled rates amongst the black (ruling) population.

As repressive as the Boers were, they built South Africa to what it is today.
They started from the scratch, had to fight the (superior) British who herded them like dogs and built a beautiful nation out of nothing.

Power is handed over to the black man and shame is all I feel!
Has anyone watched sessions of the South African Parliament? It is shameful!

The black South African's response is to loot (in the 21st century!), in answer to a perceived competition from foreigners.
Competition for what kind of jobs if I may ask? High end ones or the shitty one?

...and this sordid story is the same the world over, from the Carribeans, to Africa, the Americas and the Pacific-- I really believe the black man is cursed!

yemex04:
Sorry for this question, What was ur course of study in the university? Which university did u attend?

For the record, from available statistics and rankings, CU is far better than other privately owned universities in Nigeria.It remains the only private university that competes favourably with the likes of UI, OAU, UNILAG and some first generation universities..

Don't mind the naysayer-- I felt bile rise in my tummy while reading his comment!

I attended a federal university, one of the 'supposed' best in the country, but I won't advice anybody to attend one, except your course of study is in the health sciences.

I spoke poorly of Private Universities myself, but Covenant University is heads and shoulders above the rest-- their graduates are a delight for HR executives.

Why would I subject a young student to the uncertainties of year of graduation and sadistic lecturers?

CU has been maligned and derided, but things keep getting better for them.

Last last...if you no get money hide your face!

RTSC2:
They have a submarine.
But that is the extents of their advantage. If it comes to war, Nigeria would buy submarines from France or Germany.

Nigeria has better ships which we recently bought.

Jon Snow!

...you know nothing!

Barca can sha not win Champions League this season...not with that squad!

Una go hear am.

adonainana:
Oga fear God ooo now we have moved on to president of the Central Bank of England

Kai, very soon you will say you are the President of the Bank of England and your salary is this that

Then property valued in billions in Banana island you wont be able to afford still

Inside life

Whatever works for you bruv, Sayid Javid was on a 3 million pound salary before he joined politics.
There many more (legit) rich people like that

They were dirt poor growing up in England but he rose through the ranks.

With the 'little' I earn now, I am still doing stuff in Naij. I am still going to do more!

I try to move with the right people and sniff out investment opportunities wherever possible-- real estate and tech (for now).

By God's grace, and by hard work in the right environments, I will get there!

Cheers mate

adonainana:
The calculation doesnt matter now tbh, i have made my point your £100,000 friend is classified as rich in the uk BUT will be shocked when she gets to Lagos Island and see big boys there

I have made my points, I rest my case

Hahahaha!

She doesn't consider herself rich. When presidents of banks are on 3 million pound salaries!

There are big boys everywhere, even in England!

Ogneni, I called you out on your flawed tax calculation, get your facts right.

It's a shame you lived there so long and don't know what's going on! Sorry o.

adonainana:
Pakis and indians have taken over which workforce in the UK,
The taxi industry workforce or which one

The NHS for one.

adonainana:
Smh dedecutibles you said on income tax You get nothing back bro

Tax relief could be from CGT or Entreprenuer Relief

There are no reliefs from income tax in the UK
You dont have a choice when it comes to paying your tax in the UK

You dont want good road again ni

And did you just say you earn after tax £6000 in the UK

Kai oga oooo Even the Prime Minister in the Uk does not earn £6,000 after tax

50 to 150k is 40 percent, above is 45%

And even at that someone in the 50 thousands range stills earns over 3k pounds a month.

Your calculation is flawed!

adonainana:
Yes I repeat a £60,000 job in the uk is very very very hard to come by
I can't stop laughing even when you said an economic migrant will come from anywhere else in the world and just take such jobs easily here in the U.K.

Don't mean to be rude ooo but imagine people that will struggle to understand your accent and don't even like you like that that will offer you £60,000 top job

Accent?

We talking what you have to offer, you talking accent.

Pakis and Indians have taken over the workforce, you talk accent!

Sorry o!

adonainana:
Hope you passed mathematics in primary school bro cos this maths is too simple tbh

If your salary is 100k a year, that's the equivalent of £8,333 a month

The tax rate band is 45% of 100,000 which is £45,000

If you divide 45,000 by 12 months that's £3750
So your income tax bill is £3750 a month

If you minus £8,333 From £ 3750 Please what would you be left with

Pls keep the answer to yourself

Mr Oga it is over 150k pounds that's 45%

Kam Dan!

SIRTee15:
Exactly what I suspected....

Pls go and read about h1b visa....
This is a visa that brings in over 150 thousand professional immigrants into the usa every year....
Taking up jobs with salary up to 100 thousand dollars....

Tier 2 visa in the UK brings in professionals to work in NHS, IT and high end manufacturing....
Most jobs in that category are over 50 thousand pounds......

Most European countries also have respective high skilled visa for skilled professionals....
I'm really surprised how ignorant u are about these things because I know a lot of naija IT guys who left for Germany using the highly skilled route....
I know like 10 to 15 naija IT guys who were initially in uk but later left for Germany....
Guy leave story....
Knowledge is power....
Without knowledge, u can't go far...
Also mixing with the right group n friends is a plus....
They help u change the way u think....

I can remember reading on some thread where a Nigerian doctor in the US chipped in he was making up to 800k dollars a year...
They came for him o and said it could never be possible. "Who born am... For where?!"

Last last is it not his Akant that will do gbagaun gbagaun at month end?

Joker!

adonainana:
Yes I repeat a £60,000 job in the uk is very very very hard to come by
I can't stop laughing even when you said an economic migrant will come from anywhere else in the world and just take such jobs easily here in the U.K.

Don't mean to be rude ooo but imagine people that will struggle to understand your accent and don't even like you like that that will offer you £60,000 top job

Sorry sir!
Our Akant is saying otherwise.

adonainana:
Now I know you've never been to the UK, you have just been using SENSE to reply me and google, youung man I am a payroll manager (the department which deals with people pay )

If you are on a £100,000 salary in the Uk, your salary is taxed 45%

On your payslip all you will see that is going to your bank account every month will be £4,583

45% percent of your yearly must madantoroly go to the govt as Income tax

Now convert £4583 to naira every month and tell me if it is up to 3 million naira

Chai I even thought you knew a lot about the uk Kai so I have been wasting my time talking to you

So you thought all the £100,000 your friend earns goes to her chai see ignorance ooo

100k is 5500 pounds a month bruv!
Where are you getting your Info from?

adonainana:
You keep beating around the bush all the time
When I counter your points you go and bring something totally irrelevant

What's your friend being an investment banker being to do with the points I made in this previous posts.

I never said Nigerians never had good job, my argument was middle class uk like this uk friend on £100,000 can never be better off than an equivalent middle class or high class earning the equivalent of 2 or 3 million naira per month

Everytime you are just giving irrelevant examples all the time

Keep shifting goal posts, you have said 60000 pounds were hard to come by.

I have told you otherwise which you don't want to believe.

You are just incorrigible!

adonainana:
No now please just answer my question do you know how many Nigerian daughters and sons are abroad now paying £18,000 as tuition fees in naira paid in advance

Please it's a simple analysis
Call a spade a spade pls

If you think middle income earners are the ones paying 18000 pounds for tuition abroad, you must be deluded!

Means there is no middle class in a whole Nigerian civil service!

Someone ears 1.5 million naira a month, that's say 18 million a year and can afford to pay 18000 pounds (9million naira ) as Scholl fees for 1 child?
En no dey chop?

You are lugubrious!

adonainana:
Yes thank you for helping my point, yes convert his 1 million to pounds that £2,000, plseae do you earn this much in the uk after your rent, and living expenses pls

The answer is no

Bruv, I do!


You must have been fv.cking poor when you were in England!

adonainana:
So please can you shed more light as to why Europeans would neglect there own professionals who are even more trained in their own systems and attended the same university in the same European country in question and start looking for trained immigrants in the same field who can do the same job

I think you need to be more reasonable pls.
You cannot come no where and come to the Uk and land a £60,000 job Please i beg it is almost impossible do you how many solitary indigenes of the uk will and apply for top jobs al the time and don't get it

So you will just come from no where and they will hand you over the job with a work permit cos you are boss abi lol

I wish I could divulge my personal information...

My roommate in uni, barely 1 year in the UK, had 10million naira in savings, and this after sorting Hsi parents out in Naij ( he sends reasonable amounts home).

My brother-in-law barely 1 year in the UK bought an 11000 pound car in cash!
He could afford to gimme200k naira,without me asking, when I needed money for some things then. They didn't born him well when he was in Naij.

The first time I visited the UK, I stayed with a Nigerian girl in London ( in a high brow area). She was an investment banker ( and a friend to my girlfriend). Her salary was touted to be close to 100k pounds!

But whatever you believe is yours to believe sha, there are Nigerians with very good jobs.

ahiboilandgas:
major general earn 1.5m for life...federal perm sec 1m monthly while guys in british council band 7 earn 1.2 per month...starting salary in total is 13m

How about the other 90%?!

So Majors, Colonels, Consultants, Commissioners are all poor?

Means we have loads of poor people in the country-- like almost every body is poor!

adonainana:
Quite a few check international universities and see Nigerian students there from Nigerian families in their thousands

Check Lagos alone for how many millionaires live there

I laugh at you bro

I laugh

Mind you, it's only in poor Nigeria someone regards himself a Millionaire because he makes a million (naira) a month!

He buys a second hand car, lives amongst dirt poor people and thinks he is made?

Convert that money to Forex and know what's up!

...and to say only very few of the population can even boast of that million naira a month, tells you a lot.

adonainana:
Quite a few check international universities and see Nigerian students there from Nigerian families in their thousands

Check Lagos alone for how many millionaires live there

I laugh at you bro

I laugh

You must be living in a bubble! grin

How many Nigerians (in Nigeria), through Legal means only, earn 1 million and above?

Very few!

That my friend indicates how poor the country is.

Your demographics have been centred on your Business men alone.
Is there any other profession that falls into the middle class (according to your 1.5million mantra) in Nigeria?

So you mean to say 90 percent of the people in the military, health, IT, showbiz, education, power... sectors are considered poor?

Come on!

timesup234:
Millions of Nigerians earn 1 million legally. Yam and crayfish sellers make more than that. People with petty stores along the road make sales of over 40,000 naira daily. They have all built houses and trained their children in school with no support system from government

...and there is no cost of goods, cost of labour, cost of power, tax?

The 40,000 naira enters their pockets?

I have people in my families who are business owners, so don't give me that crap!

adonainana:
This is not even an argument about rich and poor people tbh so what you can do for me is you can try and find out how many people you think throughout Nigeria earn or make up to 1 million naira per month

Your answer would answer your curiosity
You dont need a profession to be weatlhy, Google answers would come along professions because these are the professions you can easily fit int and work out an economical statistic with

Please how many doctors, lawyers, are on Forbes list of the 1,000 richest people in the world

Who told you you will be automatically middle class cos you are an engineer

You must be living in a bubble!

How many Nigerians (in Nigeria), through Legal means only, earn 1 million and above?

Very few!

That my friend indicates how poor the country is.

Your demographics have been centred on your Business men alone.
Is there any other profession that falls into the middle class (according to your 1.5million mantra) in Nigeria?

So you mean to say 90 percent of the people in the military, health, IT, showbiz, education, power... sectors are considered poor?

Come on!

adonainana:
I am not even sure you know what you are talking about now sir, but whatever it is, please i agree that you are not rich.

Because from our discussion so far, i have evidence to believe you are not rich.

Going to university for 5 years and graduating and getting a job asa a engineer, lawyer does and would not make define you as middle class. If it does then every graduate will be middle class, here in Nigeria, UK, USA etc.

Dont forget i told you come to the UK and see what the average salary is, who told you there are not doctors, lawyers, engineers on this average salary i told you about. If professions determine your social economic class, what about people who dont belong to any profession and they are the providers and distrubutors of wealth for these so called professionals

Where are you going to place them sir.

Please look for families who send thier kids abroad to foreing universities and pay crazy tuition fees in naira. Tell them i said they are the Middle Class of the Nigerian economy, they are just a few of them, they sometimes complain too they there isnt much left, so they arent rich rich either, but there are not poor poor at all, They are in the Middle ground in between hence the word Middle class

Please sir know where you stand in this equation

Parents sending their kids to school abroad (from Nigeria) don't consider themselves Middle Class.

Nigerians ( majority of Nigerians) don't consider themselves Middle Class-- the country is that poor!

Your Owerri big boys don't consider themselves Middle class, they believe they are well-off. That's how poor the country is.

A Doctor ( Consultant) on the average doesn't make 1.5million a month.
So you mean to tell me that in Nigeria a Consultant or university professor is considered below Middle Class?

If you Google middle class on your phone, the first thing that pops up is professions-- that's the easiest way to delineate classes. The next is income, which in most cases follows the lines of professions.

Your arguement is soooo flawed!

If your arguement of middle class in Nigeria is 1.5million and above, then the middle class is almost non-existent-- then we only have the rich and the poor!

adonainana:
Its funny you roll with big men in the UK on £3000 a month

But you dont know anyone who earns close to 1 million naira a month in Nigeria

Even if you knew them, to you they are the extremely rich

Just like how you think you were rich with a disposable income of £3000 a month in the UK right

I think you must be dreaming and fantasising about unsual things.

The extremely weathly live in Banana Island my good bro,

Just to burst your burble further, there are some properties in banana island worth billions of naira that Home owners in the UK will never be able to buy till they die

Please go to Lekki to see Middle class Nigerians, Go to Gbagada, Ikeja,

If you are from PH, ABA, Owerri go there and see people making 1 million naira per month with ease. They are not extremely rich people, they are in between the Rich people you see in between V,I and Banana Island and the poorest of the poorest you see in Nigeria

Please learn to learn new things, your salary in the UK is poor to the standard of the equivalent salary earner here in Nigeria.

This is a fact

How much someone earns determines which scale bracket they fall into not the profession, so i dont understand this doctor , etc you are shouting, the profession does not determine which class where you are

It is how much real income you are earning

Hope this is making sense to you now

I have never considered myself rich, at least not yet...

I loved in Lekki, when I was in Nigeria, so don't you spout off!

I have friends making well above 1 million a month, and in Nigeria they are not considered middle class... Nigeria is that poor!

Socio-economic classes are clearly defined along the lines of proffesions. It is the easiest way to segregate people.
So if a Doctor/Lawyer/Engineer is not Middle Class, then where is he?

Mind you I didn't say I earned 3k pounds a month, it's more than that. The actual amount is my business.

adonainana:
Someone sent you his paycheck and you saw £6600 there ( He must have been on £130,000)
Even the UK prime minister is not on £130,000 a year, he is on £120,000

You are delusionally trying your best now trying to give people wages they cant earn here in the Uk,

How can you say you know several people on £60,000 and they average normal people.

Do you even know how what the average salary and minimum wage in the UK is so you can have an idea of who earns £60,000 or not

And please you dont have to live in Banana Island to be middle class in Nigeria, Go to Owerri, Porharcourt, Enugu, Calabar and see young rich middle class millionaires. There kids end up attending expensive private schools in Nigeria and end up paying raw cash about £9,000 for tuition abroad.

Please can you tell me how many people who live in the UK can afford to pay £9,000 every year like its nothing. Please even that your friend that earns £60,000, tell him to his needs to send his kid abroad and pay £9,000 and see if he wont commit suicide.

Youve been to the British Parliament, there is rug in front, it looks clean, well done, Have you been to the Brunel President Palace or the Saudi Arabian parliament, then you will know there is more to what youve seen.

Middle class Nigerains are not UK middle Class earners mate for the reasons i have told you above

Please reflect on it

I earn over 3000 pounds a month also, and I am an average person, deal with it!

I don't know what circles you roll in.

FYI, anybody leaving in Banana Island, or paying 9000 pounds for tuition is not middle class.

Doctors are middle class, they don't earn 1.5million...
Level 12 and above Civil servants are middle class, they don't earn anywhere close to that?

Generals in the military even barely earn that!

A Governor's salary is 650k naira, a whole Governor.

I guess you don't understand what middle class is.

Ugosample:
they are THIN at best

we don't exactly have a middle class in the conventional sense of it.

I have seen around while I was in NIGERIA

what we think is a middle class is an illusion

the economic terrorist provrd that with his disastrous moves in 2016; where millions who THOUGHT were middle class were shown a raw deal by his policy mistakes

A lot of things don't add up in Nigeria

Middle class paying 9000 pounds for school fees?

Don't mind him abeg.

SIRTee15:
U know London is only town in uk...
Isn't it...
How did u even quote it...
I thought I deleted it...

I'll appreciate if people stop making reference to that post...
U can believe whatever u want...
Thanks...

Don't mind him...

A sister lives in a 700 pound house, some where in England. Very nice place.

timesup234:
200k is not money but when you plan with what you have there will surely be an evidence of your years of labor. And that is why taxi drivers, food hawkers, tipper and truck drivers and bricklayers who know what they are doing are all building houses in Nigeria and training their kids in above moderate schools.

200k?!
In above moderate schools?

Hahaha...

Seems you like to argue, I don't like to.

...to each his own!

timesup234:
Go and learn a skill and stop looking for a salary job. Bricklayers make well over 200k monthly during building season. Even women hawking food make over 150k monthly. Taxi drivers can make upward from 150k too. That's just 5k daily. That's nothing for an average Nigerian. Salary job is confinment, create something for yourself

...and is 200 thousand naira money?!

Nigeria rates very poorly on the ease of doing business list.

My family is one of business people and I know how they have suffered over the years-- hardworking innovative people!

You make it seem as if the answer to success is 'work hard and believe in yourself'

Lemme burst your bubble, your environment is the most important factor to determine success-- decade when born, where you grew up, your family background, schools you attended...

Acertain secondary school in he North has produced at least 3 Nigerian Heads of State/President. You think it's co-incidence?

Successful people don't work harder than poorer people, they just have some 'unfair' advantages which they leverage on.

I am not a dreamer or philosopher, I am practical.

SIRTee15:
My guy who earn 800 thousand naira per month was complaining bitterly about his daughter's school fees to nursery school...
250 thousand per term....
He lives in surulere area...
I told him to send her to public nursery school if him no wan pay big man money...
Abi wetin u wan make I talk....

That guy will soon come and tell me he can afford to shop in Harold, fly first class and even buy a new car...

Baba mi, I tire o!

And how many people earn up to him? In a country where people are begging for 100k naira jobs?

Will you compare Lagos traffic, waking up by 4am and getting home by 10pm for a 100K job, with the London underground?

Some things are more than 'just' financial equivalent!

Person wey dey reason say Naija na the best option...so be it.

adonainana:
if ceos are not the ones earning 3,000 a month, then who else.
Do you know how much the average salary in the uk is even
its £28,000 per year sir
Only a few privileged citizens would ever earn £60,000 per year in the UK

So these artisans you talking about now, i wonder where they fit in this equation.



Come and see lawyers here with 10 years experience on £35,000 salary

Please confirm all of this with the working class friends you may have right now in the UK

Also sir, someone buying up a whole street in London is not a working class individual

He may just be weathly enough to do so, There are a lot of millionaires and billionaires on the planet from different countries, buying and selling a property is not new.

So forget what the indians and paki have been trying to tell you.

Also your last paragrapgh vindicates my point, yes the naija guy would be left with so much from his 1.5 million naira that he would be able to afford to come to London and shop in Harrods every month. Yes this happens all the time

Now can the UK equivalent guy who has just earned £3,000 go to dubai every month and spend from his salary what he is not sure would even last him till the end of the month, the answer is NO

So the Naija guy is richer than him cos he would even come to London every month, spend spend spend then go back home cos he is way way much better

What CEO earns 3000 pounds monthly?
Maybe CEO of a shop!

I don't know what kind of friends you keep or circles you role in.

I know several people who earn more than 3000 pounds and they are no where near anything like CEO.

A friend sent me his paycheck some months back and it was 6600 pounds-- young Nigerian guy!

For the Nigerian guy earning 1.5 million... It's good money in Nigeria,yes, but he won't live in a poor area.

In Lagos, he lives on the Island, pays rent of say 2.5 million, minus electricity.

...He pays for health ( worse if you don't have health insurance) and school fees ( if he has kids), and it has to be according to 1.5million salary standard.
Hospitals on the Island, deposit for admission would be at least 250K, even if you have malaria. Then school fees would shatter your brain!

All of these are free in some parts, once you pay rent ( and it's attached bills) and food, you are good to go.

70 percent of Nigerians will slide into poverty if they have an illness like kidney failure, but people still bounce around (like say nothing dey) in the UK.

All the tax paid in the West is geared towards making their lives better.
The plan is for as many people to live comfortable lives.
I have been to British Parliament and gone to the Prime Minister's office-- nothing grand. The rug in front of Theresa May's office showed it had been used very well!

The idea is to manage resources so as many people will live well.

Mind you 1.5 million naira earner in Nigeria CANNOT gallivant up and down-- no MONTHLY Harrod's or Dubai or anything, the money no reach. In the international market, it's still Forex you will pay.