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Kilishihunter:
Senior man, you don see opening sha , He didn't have enough player votes to displace xavi, iniesta, xabi Alonso, Gerrard in 09, sneidjer in 10 and later Pogba and Modric so you can't really blame him there and him not having goals and assists like his other 'advanced' midfielders didn't help his case, I knew he wasn't in the fifpro 11 before I put it here but your eyes say the FIFA 2010 all star team na, at least if he did virtually nothing he got recognized there and by in team selections, Casemiro was a vital part of the three peat yet players with better stats pushed him out, does that mean he isn't a great player? You might care about the goals and assists, Well they are the most important in a match, but others also care about the inner workings on the pitch that lead to the goals and assists, Is it not Kante's activity all over the pitch rather than the main stats that put him in god status?

Kante’s activity on the pitch is visible for all to know, we are all seeing how he is influencing the team to glory unlike bousq that you don’t see anything he is doing when you watch the game except you are looking at only him on the pitch like say na lawn tennis player.

Kilishihunter:
Say you didn't recognize him cause I don't think you really watched him play with all these contradictions you've been spewing, Don't lie ontop UEFA and FIFA's head, Let me wait and see the next Amala you want to turn now

Whats that? Is that fifa 11 or some bloggers working for fifa that decided to do their rating during leisure time.

swiz123:
I asked because you are seriously posting okpata here. Which one is Busquet only play short and sideways passes

Thats what he does at best; turn and then give short pass to xavi or side way pass. Is he known for long passes? The answer is know, what about unexpected pass that lead to goals, is he a free kick specialist, can he really mark as CDM if ball possession is no longer there. It’s not a coincident he wasn’t recognized by fifa and Uefa even while playing for a superior side then.

swiz123:
Are you a Barcelona fan? Do you watch Busquet religiously every week starting from 2009?

2009? You mean the era when ball possession was covering his ass.

Kilishihunter:
Busquets hasn't even kicked a ball yet for Spain in this competition due to contacting covid before the euros, why don't you wait to roast him after the match against Slovakia? Even at that sef most of us know how the Spanish Andy Carroll keeps on messing up most of his teams chances created upfront
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I don’t need to wait, that’s what you guys hail bousq for, I.e for playing short and side way passes and also according to u guys he is calm so these are what make him a quality CDM, like say Kante nor calm. Yeye Dey smell. You will see the likes of alonso and Pirlo making long and unexpected passes that results to goal. The likes of bousq are predictable with their play, just doing the basics.

Them rodri and bousq them.

raumdeuter:
Hensben look at those pictures and you will see a DM beside Alonso. Maybe he was already old in 2007, 2008 and 2011

When I tell you people that I know more in my toe nails about football than in your entire body this is what I am saying

So u want to tell me in the first pic gerrard na DM. Alonso can still be refer to as DM, CM, regista or deep lying playmaker, he was midfield general. You know nothing about football.

raumdeuter:
Alonso always played with a real DM beside him because he cannot handle DM role by himself

Because he was deep lying playmaker , he was not the combatic type of DM. Those guys with Alonso in the pic were box to box like Kante, they were not sitting DM except mascherano. Alonso was the sitting DM in those pics. You know nothing about football stop overrating yourself.

raumdeuter:
That is because Alonso is not a DM

Anyone who watched football will know this. Unless you watch in your 5th language

Listen to people who watched Alonso

Scholes was AM in his young age too. It doesn’t matter Alonso can still be refereed to as DM or regista or CM, he was a midfield general.

raumdeuter:
You spent the whole of yesterday arguing that Alonso was a DM and today saying he is not

I dont even know if English being your 4th language is the problem or watching football from a jaundiced lens

Im calling you ‘mr Alonso is not DM’.

raumdeuter:
You definitely watched Alonso play for your club and your summary is similar to mine that had Xabi play for my club

Hensben doesnt know anything so its futile wasting your time on him

Mr Alonso is not DM can you show me Alonso and bousq defensive stats since you don’t fancy eye test.

airmark:
I still don't know how somebody would open multiple accts to give himself support for his foolish views.

What are the benefits for God sake?

catching cruise. Nor loud am.

airmark:
Now one can see through this.

And the we have Havertz10 who criticize everything Mount does.

Kilishihunter:
That's how he has been twisting and turning like okoso, turning amala like an overly experienced olopo, The main system of the cruyf, pep and a little reduced Luis's Enrique era was what: POSSESSION FOOTBALL , If it has been shown that you can't thrive in a system then nobody would use you there or will gradually discard you after sometime, He would have continued with the bogus Mascherano claims he was making again na, Only one person pursued Yaya toure, seydou keita, mascherano, All bonafide CDMs to the CB role despite being physically deficienct to them just cause of his 'brain', continued playing on the field while xabi Alonso would be taken off and thrived under 3 different coaches, He has regressed and is closer to retirement for sure but prime busquets is not an OK PLAYER I no blame anybody Na bartomeu I blame

So you expect vincente to curse bousq. Someone you don’t see when you watch the whole game is that one a good player. Pep should do and retire so we stop seeing those types of DMs with football basics but no specialties, just there to turn and give simple pass to the nearest man. I nor know over sabi wey Dey worry pep; only him prefer ball playing goalkeeper that’s not special in his primary duty, prefer ball playing DM that don’t do his primary role simply because he don’t believe in tackle. That’s how he ruined Martinez who just won quadruple for bayern playing CDM by converting him to CB.

Locatelli will not be bad, but I’m not so convince with Italian players in epl.

Havertz10:
that's what I was telling ibi me, the quality of the game nowadays has improved, many of those stars that have mystical greatness aren't that good if we look at them properly.

They were good in their time and that settles it.

Trevor012:
If you like type Epistles from now till tommorow Xavi will still remain a system player

Yes he is a system player with specialties to his game unlike those three with football basics only.

Trevor012:
A system player is a system player according to you

A system player with specialties is classics unlike those three that got basic football skills only.

User09:
Depends on who you ask?

Majority of football fans don’t rate them.

Trevor012:
Xavi is also a system player Incase you forgot . Why do you think he was a nobody until Guardiola at Barca and Spain started playing possession football

At least xavi was special at it unlike those three.

In summary, rodri, Jorg and bousq are system players with football basics only. It’s not a rocket science why they are not rated.

Kilishihunter:
That is what the video you showed me is about
Mascherano tackling and intercepting the ball from CB at high line , he should have come out to drag the DM position and leave pique to face attackers at the back alone na when he's not mad, Alabi and pavard did the same too under flick who played high lines too why didn't they displace the midfielders and mascherano left Barca for China in 2018, Barcelona still won the league and went into the UCL semi-final, Like I said the anfield debacle made many to start baseless talks? Infact can you pinpoint one goal in that match with busquets as the main culprit? I don't care about Martinez who was already playing CB at Bilbao before he moved to bayern, this is about busquets

He was actually leaving pique to join the midfield in tackles when barca are not with the ball on several occasions. I watched barca play then and i know exactly what i am saying. One of the example was Frank Lampard pass to ramirez, mascherano came out from cb line to try to stop him from giving the pass. Try to go study the way barca play then, the tactics and structure, with and without the ball.

monerozi5590:
How many times did you watch Alonso at Madrid? Busquets is better under pressure than Alonso

At the bolded. Not true. So team cannot counter Spain when Alonso is substituted?

You seem not to understand me. Madrid didn’t play ball possession football so it was expected to have attack from opposition let’s say every five minutes but same was not for Barca so bousq didnt face attack too much like Alonso. Without the ball Barca did gather defending on opponent due to their tactics but it was not so in Madrid, in Madrid you were responsible for your position so individual brilliance was easily spotted as individual errors. I watched Alonso in all the club he played for except real soceidad.

monerozi5590:
You are just hyping Alonso. Busquets is calm and better on the ball than Alonso. Alonso fumble under pressure. He is not press resistant. I am saying this as a Madird fan who watched Alonso weekdays and weekends during his playing days.


Even in the Spanish National Team, Alonso was always substituted but Busquets is untouchable. Alonso is good at long range passes through.

Bousq is worse under pressure. You didn’t notice this due to Barca style of play then. Substituting Alonso was down to vincente maintaining Barca trio since they play together for Barca. For Alonso to still be included in Spain line up showed his quality.on a normal, he will be dropped to accommodate offensive player but bousq can not be trusted fully should in case the team loose the ball or being countered. Alonso was a deep lying playmaker and he was special at it.

Havertz10:
system matters, nobody is denying that

But which system excels? Barca have shown the world that positional awareness will always dominate brute force, players that play better in the superior system are better

That's how we should look at it

Well well, you are kinda right.

Trevor012:
What you are saying is not even related to anything

It is honestly.

Trevor012:
You are not Ibime who made the post so shut up

Im saying it as it is tho.

Trevor012:
We are saying the same thing . You dragged attacking midfielders with goals and assists by using defensive contribution even tho you stated a different thing below

Without the ball mata and fabregas were useless and chelsea is not Barca that played ball possession then so we can not really tell if iniesta will be useful without the ball in a team that don’t play possession.

airmark:
Busquets na suegbe DM. Very lucky mofo.

Defensively the guy na liability and that is supposed to be his primary duty, offensively no level, he just turn like snail and give the ball to xavi to orchestrate and dictate. When the team is caught on counter he can not run, he can not spot danger on time, too lazy and frail. In the link I sent to you, the second slide mascherano who is acclaimed CB already saw that Lampard want to release a quick and rushed at him but it was too late because he is coming from afar, where was bousq at that time, a supposed DM of the team. Watch that second slide again and tell me if Mascherano didn’t play the role of a DM there. A DM that is bad without the ball. Ball possession covered his ass all those years, immediately ball possession reduced for Barca every Barca fans eye open to see that na fraud them Dey parade as CDM.

thorrvik55:
Lol.. That'll be like playing Kovacic in AM and expecting him to feed Ronaldo

Activity forming with no output!!
True definition of a carry-along.

He was hugging the ball too much due to ball possession they played, probably it was part of the tactics to make ball possession effective so I can not really fault him. Messi was the one doing ozil work for Barca and also scoring, he was the one orchestrating offensive play that resulted to goals. Messi is god Abeg.

thorrvik55:
Traditional ko, spiritual ni?

What's the job of an AM?

Iniesta was lucky to play in teams that did not rely on him for creativity despite the fact that he was an AM!!

He was lucky to have a player like messi who is a play maker and also a goal scorer. Imagine iniesta in Madrid and he is to feed cr7 like ozil.

thorrvik55:
I swear!! Mesut Ozil is one very very underated player..

Leaving Madrid and moving to Arsenal in his prime did him no favours at all.

Ozil was very good, individually he is better than iniesta. But then again iniesta success with Barca will make some persons think otherwise. Just as some people here are rating bousq due to team success. A defensive midfielder that is a liability defensively, he was not the orchestrator xavi was, he only turn like snail and give short and simple pass to xavi or side way pass to alvez. There was a reason bousq was not recognized by football governing body even when he played for a dominant team.