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raumdeuter:
Was Xabi not part of the 2014 team where they got rubbished and Xabi was one of the major culprits?

Busquest was always playing DM

Xabi does not know how to mark nor intercept without fouling, His best attributes were long passes when he is not pressed
Opposition coaches started instructing AM to press Xabi and deny him spaces and he fell apart

Because he was already old. As agile and strong as Fernandinho you saw how Mount put am for floor. Bousq was the younger player, he was suppose to take up the mantle instead him yansh open.

raumdeuter:
Pep played with Martinez for 3 seasons
Martinez played for Ancelotti Kovac and Flick, why are they not playing Martinez as DM?

DM is a delicate part f the team where you cannot afford to have rash or mistake prone players. If you are mistake prone any sensible coach will move you away from where you can cost the team

So how did Martinez now won everything while playing CDM before pep came. After being played as CB for three seasons he will definitely forget CDM work and players will be bought too by new coach so the damage have already being done by pep on Martinez.

raumdeuter:
DelBosque was Spanish coach between 2008 and 2016
Yet he used Busquets at DM over Xabi

He never used bousq over Xabi. Xabi was starting every game. When Xabi retire for spain their yanch open as usual.

raumdeuter:
Martinez played CB and DM for Bilbao before coming to Bayern
After Yaya left Pep, other coaches didnt play him at DM also. Was it because Pep influenced Mancini and Pellegrini?
Fernandinho and DeJong played DM and not Yaya

The reason yaya left, he is a complete midfielder and these two managers saw that he offers a lot for the team going forward so they never thought of playing him as DM, they are not pep that over do things. Are you aware pep destroyed Martinez career by wasting him in a CB position when he just hit his peak as CDM for Bayern that won them everything.

Kilishihunter:
Are Vicente del Bosque and Luis Enrique that played busquets at DM Pep too?

Spain under Vincente Alonso was the actual DM, bousq was just there to continue that his tag with xavi and iniesta. What has Spain achieve under Enrique.

raumdeuter:
If Yaya was good at DM he wont be sent away from the position and out of the club

Its not about being good, it’s just pep style and philosophy. He did it at Bayern too by playing Martinez in CB. He did it with Fernandinho too does that make rodri better than him? Answer. In actual sense and according to pep’s style those DM playing CB are the still defensive midfielder for the team because his team play high line. He had to adjust this madness in epl because of the pace of the league. Before pep Martinez was a beast in DM for Bayern, they won everything before pep came to destroy the team tempo. Or you want to tell me Martinez was bad because pep played him as CB.

raumdeuter:
When Xabi was in his prime, he was not trusted to play as a DM

At Liverpool it was Mascherano, In Spain it was Senna, In Madrid it was Khedira

And you think bousq was trusted when mascherano played behind him. Go watch Barca game mascherano was the actual CDM because press every team then.

raumdeuter:
The same Yaya that played EPL and was shamed out of Barcelona

Raumdeuter bousq nor bath well to talk were yaya dey for football matters.

Jodera:
Everyone knows messi been rubbished by CR7 fans is something different entirely. It's just the rivalry between core messi fans and core cr7 fans ONLY. Any neutral fan adores both tho they might prefer one to the other.

But when a fan threatens to "rubbish" his legend, what saith thou?

No one is rubbishing xavi, the truth is that I like any quality midfielder because it is the position I love in football

raumdeuter:
As a DM Busquets us better than Yaya Toure

As a DM Bousquet can never be better than yaya, him nor reach yaya for anything. Same yaya that played CB for Barca.

raumdeuter:
Did you remember it was Xabi Alonso that was Peps DM at Bayern who was getting molested everytime

How old was Xabi as at then? Pep play no tackle football is not Cabo’s fault. Bayern is not known for that type of play.

raumdeuter:
In that game Klopp told his AM to target Xabi since he is slow

How old was Xabi in that game. Will say that when he was in his prime.

raumdeuter:
As a DM Busquets us better than Yaya Toure

You mean passing side ways and short passes type of DM because he is really poor in tackling.

Jodera:
but you just see someone threatening to rubbish xavi isn't it?
Maybe I don't know the meaning of rubbish again sha, but rubbish is not something someone have to associate with xavi or anyone except that person is seen as overrated.

Messi is better than robben, but no context will make someone threaten to "rubbish" robben except of course they feel he's a tad overrated in that Bayern squad.
Or am I missing something?

Are you aware messi is being rubbish on a daily by cr7 fans. Does that mean messi is overrated.

raumdeuter:
You don't know much about football.

Vidal and Kante play more as CM than DM

Vidal as a DM will be a huge liability because he lacks discipline

How about Kante as a DM? Is Bousquet good in his primary duty?

Jodera:
Nna na wa ooo

To some Busquet rubbish
To some iniesta overrated
To some xavi overrated

Who come dey hold that midfield during Spain and barca dominant years na?

No one will call xavi or iniesta overrated except you are comparing them to their equal in football world. The fact that people start pointing out iniesta lapses when being compared to Zidane doesn’t make him bad. Understand context bro. But for bousq, he was just an ok player, nothing extraordinary in his play. He is even bad in primary duty as a DM. Barca possession in their prime covered his defensive lapses. Valdez and bousq are just ok player in that team, the fact that prefer them due to ball playing doesn’t make them great in their primary duty. I believe pep will play Valdez ahead of Buffon or casillas or cech due to ball playing goalkeeper. But outside Barca system players like bousq and Valdez will be normal player, just like Jorg and rodri, most football fan don’t rate them, they are seen as liability defensively, even pep is not that comfortable with rodri, this is why he still prefer Fernandinho sometimes at the age of 36.

Kilishihunter:
I've corrected it and I know Senna retired after euros 2008, All I'm trying to tell you is that busquets is more than an ok player, no passenger wouldn't be found out in that Barcelona midfield under pep

Like said using players like bousq is just pep’s thing, it doesn’t mean that’s the standard for DM. Because pep don’t like his DM to be physical doesn’t mean it’s the standard, just as he will prefer Valdez to Buffon, cech and Cassilas because they don’t were trained to play from the back and that’s not their primary duty. The fact that bousq held that position is just Barca continuing in that structure since it brought success under pep and he is Spanish too.

iamoyindamola:
It's senna not darijo srna

Yeah Marco senna of Villarreal.

Kilishihunter:
Yeah it's not 2008 It's 2010 WC, I've corrected my huge error, Bro this one no be hype, na fact, no fraud won't be found out while playing alongside xavi and iniesta Many of you are just using Barca's recent humiliations in the UCL as your basis as leverage to downplay his technique

But you mentioned senna and he retired from national team after 2008 triumph.

Kilishihunter:
No me I care about song, because you people believe every midfielder would have excelled so far they were playing with xavi and iniesta, Didn't xabi play under pep at bayern too? Why didn't he also get better results there too since he was the main guy in that spanish DM role? And in Euro 2008 busquets was preferred ahead of Marcos Senna and xabi Alonso Had barcelona reached their level of massive domination under pep in 2008 or the next season?

Were you see bousq for 2008 wey him go displace srnna. You are hyping bousq too much.

Ibime:
Busquets made his Barca debut in 2009.

Which one you dey sef

I have said that most of those Barca players are run on narrative. This one probably thinks Busquets follow for Euro 2008 and UCL 2009 win. Xavi done bless a lot of scrubs sha

Make him go google srna, a black guy that played dm for Spain.

popizaino:
Can you explain why the scoreline of Barcelona vs Bayern Munich was 4-0 without Busquet? Mind you the surperior players all featured in this game while spineless Busquet was missing.

Can you explain Barca other big margin defeat with bousq. Baba this question nor hold water.

popizaino:
If na by combative DM Africans for dey do well in the world cup .

So you mean to tell me combative dm like Kante, Casemiro and Vidal are not technical with the ball. Those African players you referrred to are not just good players overall. Football is brain work and then physique, this is why they train to look fit.

Kilishihunter:
Sentiment? Okay did the sentimental decision work or not? Vicente del Bosque who was a former real Madrid coach must have been very sentimental too in fixing busquets as the pivot for many years in the Spanish side, Song that came and played with xavi and iniesta was found out and loaned to West Ham two years later, He's not your typical box to box midfielder but he used his deep playmaking and interceptions to compliment that , He's more than an ok DM

I don’t care about song, it’s yaya we are talking about here. Vincente had to just continue with that Barca three in Spanish team but Alonso was still the main guy in that DM go check stats. Yaya toure won ucl with Barca if you don’t know, he was a beast in that season. If yaya continue with barca they would’ve still won those trophies, bousq didn’t change anything, it’s just the way pep like playing, his believe is that as far as you don’t dispossess the ball no need for tackle. Yaya was doing it all; defense, attack and dictating play, he is an all round midfielder not some sissy style of play.

Most coaches love impactful/influential players because they reduce their work load. Artistic/luxury players are headache to their coach in most cases. Okay players are mostly carry along.

Kilishihunter:
Yaya toure and seydou keita had to accept less playing times or play at CB in place of busquets, were they not good CDMs too? You think a fraud could vibe with xavi and iniesta in that midfield without being found out? Think again bro

Pep used sentiment to shift yaya toure backward which he didn’t accept to continue playing and move to man city. Will you be bold enough to say bousq is better than yaya as a player. Those are just pep doing it doesn’t mean bousq is too good.Pep will choose prime Valdez over prime Buffon or Casillas due to ball playing goalkeeper does that make Valdez world best goalkeeper. Pep doesn’t play to tackle, he just want his team to hold the ball for 90 minutes, that’s why he always crumble when he meet his match in tactics.

swiz123:
What are you even saying? Busquet crumble under pressure? Do you even watch him? Why do you think he maintained his position for Barca and Spain for many years??

During the last Classico, tell me why things fell apart so quickly immediately he got injured... Shouldn't the mildfield have gotten better since the escort has left?

Jorg’s own is obvious because he play in epl. Bousq is not different from Jorginho in terms of playing style. Go watch Jorg napoli days and confirm yourself.

Kilishihunter:
Prime in terms of ball playing abilities or pace? Which one? Cause the busquets I know is still a vital part of the Barca and Spanish team as of now, He's not a runner and jambody but he outwits opponents, I don't need to tell you that

Bar bakayoko any decent player CDM can do what you are praising Bousquet for. Have you not seen Kante play CDM under Lampard and bossed it. Casemiro, Kante, makelele, Alonso, play those type of passes and turn but because your mind is fixated on pep tiki taka with prime barca you think others don’t do it.

Jodera:
Jorg maybe...
But busq is one player that's really press resistant.

Jorg own is obvious because he play in epl. Same will be bousq fate in epl. Them nor born am well to try those slow turn in Epl. If you watch Jorg at Napoli he was playing exActly like bousq but epl pace made him scared. Bousq will crumble in epl.

Bousq and Jorg look scared while playing, they are quick to release the ball and crumble under pressure. Pep over sabi is the cause of this type of DM, it’s not suppose to be popular.

Oasis007:
Statistically, I've once said it Bruno is god, but linking Midfield to Attack as an AM, Dude needs to work on it.

Bruno should be more assist-concious than goal-concious. He did leave the AM Position, most time at United for Fred to take charge while still defending.

Bruno is good no doubt. Is he good enough an as AM? Well maybe as a false 9.

Bruno is just like Havertz, they are not actually number 10. Bruno play as supporting striker just like Rooney then in old traditional 442 formation.

airmark:
Maybe a 25/26yr old midfielder was too old, i dey wait for their excuse.

Him yansh open after the departure of xavi and iniesta.