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cornelboy:
I got everything all figured out already.
I have been able to put the pieces of the TRUTH together to get the whole picture.

You can as well say the JWs twist the scriptures. It not new. They get that a slot.

How'd you explain Daniel 2:44 if I asked you to?

It is obviously talking about Jesus' new earthly Kingdom to come in which Righteousness dwells.

Well, according to Atheists, the above statement is true.

So according to their belief assertion (because Atheists claim to not have belief, as they believe assert that beliefs are not based on proof)

Anyways, lets analyze the question, 'Is truth relative'?

Firstly, what is relativism? It is simply the basic idea that there are no universal truths about the world, but rather, there are just different ways of interpreting it. In other words, the relativist asserts that, 'What you believe is true (for you); what I believe is true (for me)'.

To be a relativist means that a belief (Atheists believe assert they don't have beliefs ), idea, proposition, claim, etc. is never true or false, good or bad, or right or wrong, absolutely.

According to the relativist, there is no absolute or objective truth; truth is relative and subjective. For example, a relativist can’t consistently claim that 2 + 2 = 4 because the answer 4 is neither right nor wrong. It just depends. Your math teacher likes 4, but you like 6; so for you, the answer is 6. Hilarious, right?

To debunk this, I would say that relativism is logically incoherent. Consider the statement: all truth is relative. If this statement is objectively true, then relativism is false because then there is at least one objective truth—namely, the truth that[b] truth is relative[/b]. So. someone that says all truth is relative is in essence saying that the only truth that is not relative objective is that truth is relative and that contradicts the idea that truth is relative. Because if you are saying that truth is relative you have in essence said that it is true that truth is relative, thereby establishing relativity as an objective fact. Capisce?

But if the statement is only subjectively true, then, as we have already seen, this just means that you believe in relativism (and this provides a problem for Atheists, because they claim to have no beliefs, because they believe assert that belief isn't based on proof).

Thus, by claiming that truth is relative, you either contradict yourself or make a trivial claim with nothing to recommend your belief assertion. (The other possibilities? Relativism is objectively false, in which case you obviously shouldn’t be a relativist; or relativism is subjectively false, in which case you don’t believe in it.)

But I would like to say that some things can be relative to people's subjective opinions. For instance, I might think that bread and butter is a good combo for me, but your preference might be bread and jam. In that sense truth is relative. But if I say that I am a man because I have male genitals and you say that it isn't true for you (a man), but you choose to see yourself as a woman. That doesn't change the fact that you are a man. It just means that you don't believe the truth that you are a man. Capisce?

So, in summary, The claim that all truth is relative is either incoherent or trivial. Moreover, relativism is neither supported by our inability to know what’s true, nor by the fervency of our belief in relativism.

But does this mean that nothing is relative? No. The answers to all the following questions are relative. Is Buhari a good president? Does chocolate taste better than vanilla? Who’s the world’s greatest athlete? Am I a great philosopher?

It’s not the claim that some things are relative that has been positively refuted; rather, it is the claim that all things are relative that is incoherent or illogical. And if all things aren’t relative and subjective, then some things must be absolute and objective.

Peace to you all!!

https://reasonandmeaning.com/2016/11/23/is-truth-relative/

cornelboy:
Hismasterpiece,

1 Corinthians 15:45,47
[45]The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is, Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.
[47]Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven.

John 3:5-6
[5]Jesus replied, “I assure you, no one can enter the Kingdom of God without being born of water and the Spirit.
[6]Humans can reproduce only human life, but the Holy Spirit gives birth to spiritual life.

I'd like to start from the creation of Adam again.
First I want you to carefully study and compare the verses I provided above at John and Corinthians. You should see that the life we got from Adam is clearly different from the one Jesus brought through the holy spirit.

God made Adam from dust and was given life. He was not a spirit or preexisted as a spirit.
When he stopped breathing, his life ended just as God cursed him and he returned to dust.
Did he have any independent spirit inside him? No!

You mentioned something about the spirit of Adam dying the day he ate the fruit. Is that idea coherent? No!
If his spirit was him, there's no way he could continue to live when his spirit had died.
The reality is, God breath/spirit gave Adam life.

So the life everyone that lived after Adam had is the same as Adam's. They lived, grew old, died and returned to dust.

Every one of us got that same life from Adam, but it was different for Jesus cos he was from heaven directly and for born agains, i.e those that were/are baptized by the holy spirit.
Note from John 3:6 that only those that are baptized by the holy spirit would be born into the spiritual life.


You should see that those that had died before Jesus (Moses, Samuel, David etc..) are actually in no other place than the grave. That's why Jesus said in John 5:28&29 that they will rise up to experience eternal life.

1 Corinthians 15:48-51
[48]Earthly people are like the earthly man (Adam), and heavenly people are like the heavenly man (Jesus).
[49]Just as we are now like the earthly man, we will someday be like the heavenly man.
[50]What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

1 Corinthians 15:42
[42]It is the same way with the resurrection of the dead. Our earthly bodies are planted in the ground when we die, but they will be raised to live forever.

There are actually two type of Resurrection.
Some (people like Paul, the Apostles, born agains generally) will be resurrected to heaven after death. They are the first fruits and will be made king and priests in God's Kingdom.

The rest of us will be resurrected in the future when Jesus comes back.

Read through 1 Corinthians 15:35-50.

2 Corinthians 5:1-8 refers to those that will be resurrected to heaven. These people are born into spiritual life through the holy spirit. The born-agains!

Sigh! I rest my case. You JWs are truly something else. In the end all will know the truth.

Hamzashaf99:
If all are available, and it's only one choice, the sardine would be it.

If two choices re allowed, I would add butter.

Would never go for mayo though

Sardine and butter ke? I've tried it before... didn't enjoy it at all..

Alooone:
Isn't it obvious...Am Alone

I feel you, man... but don't you have family at least?

cornelboy:
Actually I didn't say that. That's just my name Cornelboy.
Tbh, I've been using Cornelboy before I heard about artist like Fireboy and even Burnaboy.

Secular music could draw someone away from JEHOVAH. It would definitely hinder someone from growing spiritually.

So you're not a fan of those guys?

cornelboy:
If Samuel spirit was somewhere in the earth and God didn't answer Saul by dreams, urim and by the prophets, you think he would allow the spirit of a holy prophet to be summoned by a spiritist?

Where do you think Samuel's spirit got the prophecy from? From God?

A spirit impersonated Samuel and took his appearance and gave some prophecy obviously not from God.

There some things the Bible really didn't make clear.

Okay. I have some more Scriptures to show you, after which I'll rest my case. Here they are below:

2Co 5:1 For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down – when we die and leave these bodies – we will have a home in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands.

2Co 5:2 We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long for the day when we will put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing.

2Co 5:3 For we will not be spirits without bodies, but we will put on new heavenly bodies.

2Co 5:4 Our dying bodies make us groan and sigh, but it's not that we want to die and have no bodies at all. We want to slip into our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by everlasting life.

2Co 5:5 God himself has prepared us for this, and as a guarantee he has given us his Holy Spirit.

2Co 5:6 So we are always confident, even though we know that as long as we live in these bodies we are not at home with the Lord.

2Co 5:7 That is why we live by believing and not by seeing.

2Co 5:8 Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord.

The above Scripture talks about believers leaving their physical bodies and going to Heaven to be with Jesus.

Php 1:21 For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Php 1:22 But if I live on[b] in the flesh[/b], this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell.

Php 1:23 For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.

Php 1:24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.

Paul clearly says that he has a desire to go and be with Jesus in Heaven. What else does he mean by saying 'be with Christ'? Is Christ in the grave? No. He is in Heaven.

2Pe 1:13 Yes, I think it is right, as long as I am in this tent, to stir you up by reminding you,

2Pe 1:14 knowing that shortly I must put off my tent, just as our Lord Jesus Christ showed me.

2Pe 1:15 Moreover I will be careful to ensure that you always have a reminder of these things after my decease.

Here Peter refers to his body as a tent, or house and says putting off his tent will happen when he dies.

FatherOfJesus:
The problem here is that I think the scriptures is folklalore and shouldn't be taken seriously, just like any other folklore. So I really do not take anything in the Bible seriously because alot of things are inaccurate in it.

I also don't take Science seriously, because a lot of it is guesswork

This man's interpretation is very incorrect. Jesus made it clear that the virgins He was referring to were His disciples. Because at the end of the parable, He said, 'Watch therefore, for you know not the hour when the Son of Man is coming'

The virgins represent the Church and the extra oil represents preparedness for His return. All this long story and the man was wayy off point.

cornelboy:
Nwafor seems like an Igbo name. Maybe he was trying to tell you his real name when you called him ajebo.

Oh.. unless that..

TheBlackSheepX:
Because I'm different, I have opposite opinion and views from the generality believe system. and dislike African culture and traditions.

The black sheep.

Hmm.. do you mind sharing some of these opposite opinions with me?

cornelboy:
Your father pursue you comot for house?

Ignore him. He's not funny.

cornelboy:
Well, Cornell is the short for my name Cornelius. Acts 10. My friends, classmates and colleagues naturally call me Cornell/Cornel.
I added the "boy" to rhyme with Burnaboy, Fireboy lol.

Wow... I never knew JWs were allowed to listen to artists like Burnaboy and Fireboy

FatherOfJesus:
I had sex with Mary, we had Jesus but I intimidated joseph into taking responsibility for the child.

Boring.

Orc13:
My love for anything villains, especially of elvish origin... Orcs of course! Azog the Defiler comes to mind easily

Why do you love villains? They are the bad guys and are generally disliked.

cornelboy:
Why didn't the lord answer Saul by dreams, or urim or the prophet?
There's no way God would allow Samuel spirit to be brought up.
Let's assume I also believe that humans have spirits, do you think God would allow the spirit of his righteous prophet to be summoned by a spiritist?

See it's clear that a demon impersonated Samuel and predicted the future to Saul or do you think it's they lord's doing?

You know, only God can give accurate prediction of what would happen in the future.

Can someone who's dead and his spirit probably resting somewhere in the earth know what would happen in the future? No!


This were facts that the demon was already aware of.



Did all his sons die with him? False prophecy!
There's no way Samuel could know about Saul's and Israel future.



Saul obviously didn't see the face of the spirit or confirm if it was Saul. Seems it was the spiritist seeing everything. He clearly was hearing the spirit impersonating Samuel.



I wouldn't believe the words of a spirit summoned by a spiritist if I were you.

You know God really hate, magic, witchcraft, spiritist, mediums, diviners etc? This people work with demons. Nothing else!


Well the truth is glaring. I didn't come here to mislead people. It makes me sad when I see people do and believe what's contrary to the Bible.
I'm here to help people see the TRUTH. But when they hear your a Jehovah witness, they take everything you say as lie cos of the mean rumours already spread about them.


Your welcome anytime

Don't you think that if it was a demon disguising as Samuel the Bible would have made it clear? But the Bible doesn't say 'a demon appearing as Samuel' it says 'Samuel spoke to Saul'

FatherOfJesus:
So tell me why you think your God cannot be created and why you think th universe must be created?

On what basis?

Okay. So based on Scripture God is perfect. Perfect in Knowledge, Power, Wisdom, etc. And we all know that the greater creates the lesser, right? Like the creator of the car is greater than the car and the creator of the creator of the car is greater than the creator of the car, right?

So, concerning someone greater, the Bible says:

Heb 6:13 For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself,

So, my reasoning is thus: If God has all knowledge and doesn't know of anyone greater than Him then what is the conclusion? THERE IS NO ONE GREATER.

So if the greater creates the lesser and God says there is none greater than Him, then He was never created and has always existed and will always exist. Capisce?

cornelboy:
Why didn't the lord answer Saul by dreams, or urim or the prophet?
There's no way God would allow Samuel spirit to be brought up.
Let's assume I also believe that humans have spirits, do you think God would allow the spirit of his righteous prophet to be summoned by a spiritist?

See it's clear that a demon impersonated Samuel and predicted the future to Saul or do you think it's they lord's doing?

You know, only God can give accurate prediction of what would happen in the future.

Can someone who's dead and his spirit probably resting somewhere in the earth know what would happen in the future? No!


This were facts that the demon was already aware of.



Did all his sons die with him? False prophecy!
There's no way Samuel could know about Saul's and Israel future.



Saul obviously didn't see the face of the spirit or confirm if it was Saul. Seems it was the spiritist seeing everything. He clearly was hearing the spirit impersonating Samuel.



I wouldn't believe the words of a spirit summoned by a spiritist if I were you.

You know God really hate, magic, witchcraft, spiritist, mediums, diviners etc? This people work with demons. Nothing else!


Well the truth is glaring. I didn't come here to mislead people. It makes me sad when I see people do and believe what's contrary to the Bible.
I'm here to help people see the TRUTH. But when they hear your a Jehovah witness, they take everything you say as lie cos of the mean rumours already spread about them.


Your welcome anytime

Lol... are you ready for more Scriptures?

cornelboy:
Lol I like this thread. Maybe he thought you were guessing his last name.

No I said he's an ajebo and he said that he's a nwafor.. I have no idea what that means, hence the question..

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, stop deceiving yourself!
You're always against Jehovah's Witnesses organization (Watchtower) yet you're anticipating a member of such organization in heaven (your most cherished destination)
Do you also anticipate members of other sects in your so called heaven? NO!
But as for JWs whom you always claim aren't in a good organization (Watchtower) you're quick to attach yourself to me, calling me brother, saying you and i worship the same God and believers.

Well let me make one thing clear to you today, it may hurt you but it's the TRUTH:

If you're not a member of Watchtower you will PERISH!

Just in case you don't know, that's the confirmed truth, you may decide to say the same thing back at me no problem, just know that anyone outside JW organization will perish and we are not worshiping the same God with you people!

Ok oo.. I sha know that my God is the One who sent Jesus to Earth, who raised Him from death, who exalted Him to His Right Hand, and who will send Him again to Judge the world.

If that's not your God, then according to your own doctrine, you will perish.

[quote author=LordReed post=112388533][/quote]Yeah you would say that because you 'believe' it.

FatherOfJesus:
Nope we don't say so, scientists say it happened via Bg bang and they don't know how what caused the big bang.

Only illiterates and ignorant people think that's chance.

And also only illiterates and ignormasuses think that Christians are not also scientists and that big bang is an atheist concept.
Because you were a total waste of resources in school, you don't even know that big bang theory was formulated by a Christian, a catholic priest called George

Go School, you no gree

I don know who formulated it. I also know that Charles Darwin was said to be Christian. But I don't believe they were true believers because if they were, they would have believed the creation story as told in the Bible.

FatherOfJesus:
Same way the universe doesnt come from anywhere and doesn't need your God to create it.

Lol... Ok.

LordReed:
No, I wouldn't say that.

So what shalt thou say?

MaxInDHouse:
Wahala dey o!
Well i have nothing to do in heaven Sir!

Lol.. we go still jam for there las las

Greatzeus:
To always remind myself of my Divinity

Lol... So you think you're a god? You think you're Zeus?

FatherOfJesus:
You also believe it, esle tell me where your God came from
From nothing!? Gotcha

He didn't come from anywhere. He didn't need to since He has always and will always exist. He is the only one that's truly Immortal. Hallelujah.

FatherOfJesus:
no, I say I don't know. I don't say that my invisible friend did it

Wow, you say you don't know? If I ask an Atheist how the world came to be what would he say (even if, obviously he doesn't know). He'll say it all just happened by chance.

The Earth is the perfect distance from the sun by chance. Humans came into existence by chance and so on..

LordReed:
I would say the data shows high degrees of change that may become catastrophic in future.

And what would you describe as your view of the data? Wouldn't you say, I believe the data shows high degrees of change that may become catastrophic in future?

DoggoneDogg:
Nope.
I be Nwafor.

Wetin be nwafor?

ifyken:
Yes, you got it

Wow! Thumbs up to me, then!

PastorMIsBack:
I was thinking of that to be honest.

So why didn't you?