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You got it wrong again. Not similar they are the same. Even more in some poly.

What are the differences between B.Engn, B.Tech, Bsc and HND in Nigeria? HND holders were equipped with Technological training to do B.Tech work. Why duplications? FGN will do it well with the Polytechnics stopped at ND Level. Nigeria became dumping ground of other countries products. Nigeria is full of Bachelor graduates looking for jobs instead of creating JOBS using the Polytechnic products, Nobody is saying that HND and Bsc are the same.

Mr. Stephen Oronsaye,former Head of the Civil Service of the Federation, sparked off a new debate over the over-flogged superiority battle between holders of the Higher National Diploma (HND) and their Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science counterparts.
Mr. Oronsaye, at a forum, frankly declared that HND was not equivalent to a university degree because "it is not the same curriculum". To further drive home his point, the Head of Civil Service said, "There is a body, the National Council on Establishments, where this thing was tabled, and unanimously, all of them said HND cannot be equivalent to a university degree, and that is the highest body to take this decision." Indeed, this is an old debate with all its déjà vu features, but it seems nobody had ever put it in such a tactless manner as Mr. Oronsaye did, probably because of the national passion it will generate. The superiority battle between the HND holders and their university degree colleagues is as contentious as the rivalry between two wives marrying to one husband.
The battle which is seriously rocking the private sector is equally affecting the public service, thus, creating unnecessary animosity as a result of ambiguous national definition and delineation between the two academic qualifications.
Nigeria is a "certificacentric" society, placing so much emphasis on paper qualification rather than output and competence. I wonder if this is the same attitude abroad! Larry King of CNN, I was told, has no university degree, yet he has carved a niche for himself doing what he knows how to do best!
Receiving university education in Nigeria is more of a function of luck, connection and parental background rather than a function of intellectual ability. In other words, access to university education is a big problem in Nigeria.

The government of Nigeria do not want the polytechnic Education. No funding to promotion technological education Why are HND holders of HND stranded? In fact I regreted atteding the polytechnic. No government want to do anything about it. Those that had HND discriminate aganst themselves talk less of the University degree holders.

Entry requirement at ND level now is five credit.
HND require ND, + At least a year experience+ five credits

Let us take government to court

Coren with HND and Bsc problems
http://corennigeria.org/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=2&id=4&Itemid=53

Patnaj release limited information.

How do we know the link for the letter.

High Tech.
Remember that you are dealing with life here. For you to do a good job. Send your phone or open an E.  mail for these students to contact you.

I do no trust @Tobex, Please keep your informations. Name, number, phone and adresses. Be wise and wait for UI official list.

Please check back soon.

Jambite good luck

Remember now, Nigeria polytechnic offers OND and HND there are lots of discriminations

Nairaland is not only for fun but highly educative. As old papa in the house. I must confess that entertaiment and informations from nairaland is first class.

I warn you do not go to poly o. its ever lasting sorrow

I warn you do not go to poly o. its ever lasting sorrow

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Please I warn you do not go to poly o. its ever lasting sorrow

I warn you do not go to poly o. its ever lasting sorrow

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B.SC/HND dichotomy: NATE urges implementation of white paper
Monday, 23 May 2011 00:00 Francis Okeke
Daily trust

Nigerian Association of Technologists in Engineering (NATE) has called for the implementation of a ‘white paper’ approved by government abolishing the unjust dichotomy existing between university B.Sc holders and polytechnic HND holders.
President of NATE Chief Leo Okereke made the call over the weekend where he stated that harmonizing both qualifications will reduce the “mad rush” into the university as well as harness critical skills by HND holders in government agencies.

A white paper waiting for implementation was issued by government which recommended the abolition of the dichotomy which currently disallows all HND holders from proceeding beyond Grade Level 14 (GL 14) in the civil service and assuming headship of works department in some agencies.

The association also called for equal representation into the Council for Regulation of Engineering in Nigeria (COREN) stressing that in a meeting of COREN last year NATE condemned the “lopsided” representation of professional bodies in the council.

“We noted that the maximum number of representation granted to a professional body is six members for Nigerian Society of Engineers, while NATE and other professional bodies have one each,” he said.

While calling on the Head of Civil Service of the Federation (HOS) to implement the white paper, he recalled that ongoing reforms in the civil service “recognise the fact that the HND holders have continued to maintain relatively high level of responsibilities in their duties.

“The job complexity and responsibilities vested on HND and first degree holders on equal grade level had remained virtually the same and interchangeable and therefore ordered the abolition of all forms discrimination and dichotomy against HND holders in line with reforms.”

Poly graduates threaten protest over B.SC/HND dichotomy
By Sanni Ologun 23/05/2011 00:00:00
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The Nigerian Association of Technologists in Engineering (NATE) at the weekend urged President Goodluck Jonathan to implement the Federal Government’s white paper on the removal of grade level (GL) 14 ceiling placed on the career progression of holders of the Higher National Diploma (HND) in public service.
Its President Leo Okereke told reporters in Abuja that the group would embark on mass protest to the National Assembly and other key government offices should their demand not be heeded by government.
Okereke noted that the implementation of the policy is long overdue as it has resulted in the stagnation of its members and the overall infrastructural development of the country.
According to him, despite all directives for relevant government agencies to amend laws that placed undue disadvantage on HND degree holders in their career progression, nothing has benndone to effect that change.
Okereke said: “The implementation of this policy has been lingering and overdue, and has become of great concern to the members of our association and generality of Nigerians who rightly believe that the consistent infrastructural failure and lack of technological breakthrough is a direct consequence of this obnoxious discrimination and stagnation.
“The issue at stake is the issue of technology; it is the issue of taking Nigeria among the comity of nations because over the years, we have seen that even the ranking of the developing countries, Nigeria is number one along with Brazil, India and a host of others. But today, Brazil, India and China are moving forward technologically but Nigeria is left behind.”
Besides, the chairman of the NATE’ committee on The way forward for technologists in Nigeria, Dr Mutairu Useni described as sad the way and manner technology has been neglected, adding that no country in the history of the world has ever progressed without technologists.
Useni , who is also a lecturer at the Federal University of Agriculture Makurdi, Benue state stated further that even the ongoing reforms in the Civil Service by the Federal Government of Nigeria recognizes the fact that HND holders have continued to maintain relatively higher level of responsibility in their duties.

No but PGD

http://thenationonlineng.net/web2/articles/47912/1/Polytechnic-graduates-protest-discrimination/Page1.html

Polytechnic graduates protest discrimination•
By Adegunle Olugbamila
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When members of ‘the Nigerian Association of Technologist in Engineering (NATE) converged on the Federal Institute of Industrial Research, Oshodi (FIIRO) to inaugurate the Lagos chapter of the body, last Saturday, the event, which featured among other things the induction of some members and inauguration of the chapter’s executives, did not leave out their age-long agitation. They urged the government to remove the career ceiling for technologists in the civil service. Technologists at present cannot rise beyond Grade Level 15 while their university counterparts who, according to NATE, contribute less in terms of value to the economy, can move up to Grade Level 16 in the state and federal civil services
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This dichotomy is ‘man’s inhumanity to man’, said NATE National President, Sir Leo Okereke; adding that the nation’s quest to be among the top 20 countries of the world by 2020 will remain a mirage if polytechnic graduates are still discriminated against in the civil service.
Okereke urged his colleagues to use the platform to launch renewed agitation for the sake of undergraduates studying in polytechnics across the country, who may make a foray into the civil service only to find their careers ‘handcuffed’ due to the ‘virus’ called GL 15.
Ahead of the event last Saturday, NATE had resolved to pass the baton to polytechnic students who are victims of the imbalance. Today, polytechnic students under the aegis of the National Association of Polytechnic Students (NAPS) plan a protest to compel the Federal Government to go beyond mere pronouncements in ensuring that discrimination becomes a thing of the past.
The students union presidents of the 21 Federal Government, 38 state and 41 private polytechnics nationwide will lead others in the protest to the Education Minister, Prof Ruqayyat Rufa’i and her counterpart in the Ministry of Information, Prof Dora Akunyili.
NAPS has also arranged to meet President Goodluck Jonathan and visit the National Assembly, which would be having a session same day.
"This fight " Okereke said at last Saturday’s programme, "started a long time and some people are tired of the fight; but we are just rekindling the fight and the polytechnic students who should benefit from this exercise are going on a demonstration in Abuja next week (this week) on this same issue. It is unfortunate that, in Nigeria, nobody is asking you what you can do with your hands but your certificates, that’s why certificates are being purchased right left and centre."
This issue, however, was to become the fulcrum of NATE’s deliberations as some members expressed grief at how the careers of their colleagues in the civil service had been pegged because they are graduates of polytechnics. Their fear is that if this ceiling is not removed, it will result in low morale among polytechnic undergraduates who will find themselves in the same shoes tomorrow, compelling them not to give their best and slowing down the technological development of the country.
They also say it would encourage the certificate syndrome in Nigeria which elevates mediocrity over ability.
The NATE members contend that the Vision 2020 can only be achieved if the dichotomy between polytechnic and university education is bridged.
Of all the testimonies heard that day, that of Rufai Muhammed was the most pathetic. A past National President of NATE, Muhammed told the gathering that his experience as a technologist in the civil service forced him to forbid his five children from attending polytechnic.
"I am a product of the Yaba College of Technology. I graduated there 43 years ago, but because of the experience in the civil service, today, I can say I did not allow any of my five children to pass through the polytechnic. I do not want their careers stalled while their mates with university degrees move up the ladder fast," he said.
ASUP National PRO Adesoji Adetola Senbanjo holds the government responsible for the development.
"When the government said students with only four credits are eligible for admission into polytechnics while five credits are for admission into the university, little did they know that, from that point, they had created the dichotomy," he said.
He also holds the government culpable for its failure to realise the different roles both institutions serve.
"Our roles in polytechnics and universities are different. While universities thrive in the realm of academics which involves propounding theories, polytechnics thrive in the practical aspect of whatever is being discovered."
He argued that while National Diploma graduates of polytechnics should be regarded as middle-level manpower, the Higher National Diploma is equivalent to a Bachelor degree hence, holders should be allowed to acquire a Masters in technology."
The implication, Senbanjo said, is that the dichotomy will give more strength to the universities while killing the interest among those who aspire for polytechnic education.
"Another implication is that the demand for varsity education will continue to rise, while that for polytechnic will continue to dwindle. See, all of us are already seeing the effect on the technological development of this country. It is the polytechnics that will drive our technology, not the universities."
Despite plans to upgrade some polytechnics to degree-awarding institutions, Okereke argued that it is needless considering that the problem is a result of Nigeria’s fixation with certificates.
"Some of our demands have been met because polytechnics will start awarding B.Tech. But this is unnecessary. It is the over-emphasis on certificates that resulted to this. If polytechnics start awarding degrees, it’s okay. They can even go ahead and get Ph.D, but whatever they acquire, we should de-emphasise certificates and emphasise ability.
"Because of Nigeria’s technological advancement, the country has not come to terms with how best to use the technologist. It’s a reflection of our technological background," Sebanjo said.
Reacting to the issue, Lagos State Polytechnic SUG president, Ajibike Taofeek Babajide, said it was time polytechnic students took their destiny in their hands as they are tired of the discrimination in the labour market.
"When we compete with our colleagues from the universities, employers look down on us, yet most of us from the polytechnics have the practical knowledge and can do better than university graduates.
"The Federal Government has stipulated this before, but it is like there are elements frustrating our moves. This is what we intend to get rid of on Thursday (today) as we want to force the Federal Government to let it reflect in the budget," he said
Still on the protest today, NAPS National PRO Comrade Ezeilo Uche said over 2,000 students are expected to feature in the protest which he said would be non-violent.
"Everything is in order," Uche told our reporter on phone. "We are also involving security personnel because we want the protest to be non-violent. We just want to tell the government that polytechnic students are not happy over the unfair treatment. We are also involving colleges of education to join us in the fight while we implore Nigerians to give us their full support."

Students want FG to abolish HND, degree dichotomy


National Association of Polytechnic Students (NAPS) has called on the Federal Government to eliminate the dichotomy between degree and Higher National Diploma (HND) holders as recommended by a committee set up by government.
President of the association Comrade Mustapha Tijjani who made the call in Kaduna said discriminating between university and polytechnic graduates is not healthy.
He also accused office of the Head of Civil Service of the Federation of tinkering with the original report which recommended the immediate abolishment of the dichotomy.
He said the allegedly altered report would soon be sent to acting President Goodluck Jonathan for ratification and implementation.
He therefore called on the acting president not to approve the retention of the existing dichotomy as canvassed by the office of the Head of Civil Service of the Federation.
He said the association will resist attempts by the office of the Head of Civil Service of the Federation to retain the dichotomy between HND and degree holders.

Head of service of the Federation has been accused of not implimeting the Government directive. He want Dichotomy to continue Polytechnic student president open up.

At the end of the Two-Day Stake holders Meeting Forum of 15th-16th June, 2009 at Abuja, a Communiqué was presented.

The summary of the Communiqué is that the Office of the Head of Service of the Federation should proceed to issue implementation Circular letter without further delay after the 34th Meeting of National Council on Establishment (NCE) scheduled to hold in Uyo, Akwa Ibom State, 2009.

This has been issued to some establishment such as FRSC send in your mail I shall forward scan coppy to you.

Consequent upon the Presidential directives for the removal of Ceiling and other forms of Dichotomy, Discrimination and Stagnation from career progression of Higher National Diploma (HND) holders, the Federal Ministry of Education (FME) submitted a memorandum on the subject to the National Council of Establishment (NCE) at its 31st Meeting in Asaba, Delta State in December 2006. After all the deliberations Council directed Federal Ministry of Education (FME) to convene a Stake holders Forum to reflect and incorporate all shades of opinion on the matter, before final decision is taken. This position was reiterated at the subsequent Meetings of the Council at Abuja and Jos in 2007 and 2008 respectively.

time for me and you to act. we are asking the government to implement their own white paper.

During the NEC meeting at Uyo, some permanent Secretaries ask for time to study the main document. check end of dichotomy up at http://www.nate-ng.org

this has be done. send your e. mail i will make the circular available to you