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God4moi: Dey didn't deny cos there was no opportunity too.

You're obviously not talking like one.

Peter cleared his doubt and took his stand with God. He didn't jst stay in the boat and held on to his doubt like the rest.

Are you saying you don't ask God questions why somethings happen/ how they happened? I'm sure if you're single you're definitely not asking him for a life partner nor did u ask if u are married. Cos if seeking more knowledge in God's word is in ur opinion faithlessness then sigh*

I'm also guessing the parable of the talents teaches u nothing about equality? Smh.

Stop repeating wat I said earlier jor!

First wat christ says is the 2 greatest commandment and den he said the 'great commission' and not "greatest commission" like you're puting it.

Yet he still fell into the water because as usual his little faith failed him again. the rest didn't ask who was coming, the rest were actually the ones who told him Christ was on the sea, when he heard them, he still doubted and asked "if you were"(Go and read your bible). we are not talking about peter here. the case here is " confessing your sins to a priest", is this what Jesus taught his disciples?

I am not talking like a christian because i sound different from the normal Christians you know? anyways, i am not here to convince you, my aim is to make heaven, whether i sound like one to you or not, that's not my aim on earth. as long as i am not acting against the teachings of my savior, i am all good.

Are you trying to say the parable of Jesus discriminates against some Christians? hope you remember the "one body" parts? (should be in James or john, not sure). the fact that some were called to be pastors, prophets, teachers e.t.c does not mean they have advantage than the rest Christians when it comes to having access to God. faith is the number one thing every christian need to get access to God, also are "a clean heart", a thanksgiving mind.

Remember this again "i am the way, the truth and life, NO MAN commeth to the father except through me" so irrespective of the post you hold in the church, you still have to get to the father through Jesus.

God4moi: Please read from the begining. The first quote given was an instruction to call on elders when u're sick and since you say u're equal to d task I asked den u need no elders and that passage is useless? + while you're @ it I'd like you to show me where I stated that "God said he answers prayers according to your position, hirachy or "referral methods" cos I know this is part of the problems of reading 'btw the lines' rather than reading what was writen.

When you're sick and you've prayed and there's no improvement, you are to seek the "elders", meaning those more rooted in the word and spiritual things in the church, they could be your pastor, your Sunday school teacher, your prayer warrior, your fellow brethren but an elder in the things of God. this you must know. being an elder in the things of God is not calculated by how long you have been in the church but what you possess inside of you.

I explained the "equal access" to God to you already and i have given you examples of when you need to seek help from those more rooted than you.

You brought up the issue of "hirachy e.t.c and you know what we were discussing before that popped up, so i already have an "idea" of where you were going with that.

[quote author=gree-die]you ain't like Christ in anyway!! U think u are holier? Dat u have a better understanding of the bible? Let me tell you a bible story about the publican and the pharisee: the publican didn't have a great understanding of theology, he was just deeply contrite and cried out loud begging God for mercy but the Pharisee stood proudly and thanked God that he was not a sinner like the publican .... It was the publican that went home justified before God that day!


Do u recognise yourself in the story?[/quote]Please when quoting, please lets stick to the word of God and please always quote the bible so that i'd know we are on the same path. i am in no way holier, the bible says take heed, less you fall.

I am still working out my salvation, until i make heaven, i won't relent, in the process of making heaven, one of my primary obligation as a christian is to test all spirits and also make sure i am not consuming traditions of men in place of the true word of God. A christian should be able to live and act according to the word of God and also according to the walks of Christ.

Unless you can show me where i claim to be holier or better apart from the fact that i said Catholics aren't Christians which i already explained, i don't see how your analogy concerns me. My prayer for you is to seek Christ on your own and not wait for anyone to feed you. the bible is there, pick one up, concentrate mostly on the new testaments, ask the holy spirit to guide you, in this stage of my life, i am trying to know Christ/God more on a personal level to save myself from swallowing lies with the truth.

God4moi: Haba! Uncle/anty. Ahahn! Peter wasn't the first to backslide please re read your bible. When they came for Jesus in the garden didn't you read the part that some of his disciples ran away?! Then Peter bravely attacked his masters adversory. And followed @ a distance. Talking about backsliding? He wasn't the first to abandon/ deny knowing Jesus.

Secondly as a human being ones primary aim is not to preach the gospel. That's not why God created us. No! He created us to know him, to love him and then to serve him (service then includes propagating our knowledge of the eternal father to the world for conversion of souls). And like Paul did make several references to his way of life among the gentiles basically our way of life is supposed to facilitate peoples curiousity which the holy spirit would then use as a tool/window for conversion (we can't convert only God thru his spirit can). So bro/sis God primary aim for creating u a xtain is not 2 preach but 4 u 2 discover him first.

Peter was not faithless. How many people trusted Jesus enough to walk on water with him? How many trusted him enough to say 'to whom shall we go You have the message of eternal life'. How many where brave enough to attack his masters adversory? So how faithless and fearful was he?

And mind you Jesus flock that needs to be fed are not 'those who are outside the fold' that's not the flock. The 'flock' are souls within the fold. So jesus wasn't talking bout soul wining here

Running away does not equal backsliding, denying that you knew him not is backsliding, going back to your vomit is backsliding.
He was the first, if not, kindly point to where any other disciple "publicly" denied him.

I am not talking here as a human being, i am talking as a Christian, I have passed the stage of living in darkness, that's why i am a christian, i am to know him more as a christian and at the same time live a life that will attract others to him and at the same time go out to preach the gospel, this is the greatest commission JESUS gave we Christians before leaving earth, if i am wrong, prove it with the bible.

Peter was faithless even with the closeness and "special" love he enjoyed from Jesus, he still had alot of doubts in him, he often queried Jesus with statements like "if you are" Christ, if you are. even before he walked on water, he used the same word. when you don't believe in something, that's when you query.

We're deviating, now back to topic. AS CHRISTIANS, we all have equal rights in the sight of God and one more thing, our commission here on earth as Christians (not humans only) is to go out there, preach the gospel, become the light of the world because we have come of darkness into the light. the holy spirit is the soul winner but we are the tools, we have to first take the word out, then the holy spirit takes charge.

[quote author=gree-die]For a start, Christ won't call Catholics non Christians!! Care to take back what you wrote?[/quote]Nah, i won't take that back, anyone who relegates Jesus to the back-seat in its teachings and traditions aren't Christians, because the word christian comes from Christ, if what you do can't be traced to Christ, then you're no Christian.

God4moi: You need no 'elderly' help then! You're equal and the bible does not know what it says when it talks about hirachy and referal methods.

Please quote where in the bible God said he answers prayers according to your position, hirachy or "referral methods" you mentioned.

Jesus said "come unto me, all ye that labor and of heavy laden, and i will give you rest", he also said, "i am the way, the truth and life, no man commeth to the father except through me" unless you count these words of Jesus as irrelevant, then why should i go to a pastor, pope,father, bla bla bla for something i have equal right to ask from Jesus directly?

You can see that i am quoting, so i would like you to always debunk my comments with biblical quoting too.

Thank you.

God4moi: I don't read btw the lines of the bible cos wat I want 2 know is wat the bible says not 'wat I think/want it to say'.

If you say 'elder' connotes anyone who is spiritually stronger then leme ask why on earth would u attend a church that u believe u're stronger than its leader? + ur interpretation of elder does not seem to conform with any existing interpretation. Cos even culturaly elder does not mean anyone better than u.

I'd like you know where this ur interpretation stems from tho.

can you define what an elder mean? Elder has to do with anything that is older, more experienced, stronger, wiser and in all things ahead of you. that is what "elder" to me means, if it's different, kindly state yours.

In this current world, we have cases where some pastors, fathers, pope, bishops, reverend, e.t.c commit atrocities common Christians won't do, we have had cases where some don't even know what they are doing, some are leading people astray, so you mean i should entrust my salvation into the hands of mere mortals like me when i have equal access to God the same way they do?

God4moi: Peter wasn't the least o! He was the one with the most common sense, he wasn't afraid to query Jesus and help the oda apostles get clarifications.

And prefects are not meant for orderliness. They are meant for teaching/grooming leadership skills. The teachers/ school officials are for orderliness and knowledge...

A pastor/priest is not a prefect. They are shepherds. They lead the flock with the principles of christ. Maybe you don't know their job descriptions.

If he blessed them equally like you claim how come he said peter! Peter!! Peter!!! Do you love me? Feed my flock? Why didn't he say everybody! Everybody!! Everybody!!! Do you love me feed my flock. And u still claim Peter had d same blessing to perform a very distinct job has the rest?

Least : faith wise- he was the first to backslide. meaning he had little faith.
Prefects are meant to keep orderliness, yes, pastors are to groom newly converted ones but the job is not for pastors alone, the job is FOR EVERY BELIEVER. our main job as Christians is to go into the world, preach the gospel, heal the sick, raise the dead, win souls to Christ, DRAW MEN UNTO CHRIST, it's not the job of pastors only, it's for every true christian. we are all to groom newly converted ones and when we can't answer some of their questions, we are to seek the help of people we believe know more than us which can be anyone in Christ (be it pastor or anyone).

He said feed my flocks not because he wanted only him to go out there and win souls to Christ, rather knowing how week and "faith-less" peter was, he needed to let him know he wanted him to work. remember peter denied him 3 times before. its like a situation where you have 4 kids at home and you have one who doesn't listen to you all the time. when you want to leave,don't you specially warn that stubborn one?

Our great commission as Christians is to go into the world to preach the gospel, draw men unto Christ and it's not a job even to Peter or the 70 disciples alone, rather to as many that has received CHRIST!

God4moi: You can call anybody 2 push ur car. But the bible says 'elders' not 'anybody' don't twist the bible.

You should learn to read between the line, "elders" means people who are more vast than you. not popes, fathers, pastors e.t.c alone, anyone you feel is stronger than you (faith-wise)spiritually, if there's none and you feel your pastor is stronger, then fine, but Elders in the church has to do with brethren who are stronger than you spiritually. you don't expect me to take my issues to deacons, pastors or fathers that i know are not what they are because they are stronger spiritually, but because of influence, money or politics. (especially in this present Nigeria, God forbids)

Just like if you need help with pushing a car you cant push alone, you wouldn't call someone weaker than you, you definitely will call someone with your own strength or even stronger than you. that's the analogy!

Pebcak: bros check this verse and you ll know that the one another refers to the anointed ones John 20:22-23 When he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.

And who were the people he breathed on? did he separate them before breathing on them or he breathed on all the disciples present at that time?

Do not forget this verse " for as many that had received Christ, to them he's given the power to become the sons of God"

In once you are a christian, you have been given the power to cast out demons, heal the sick and raise the dead, it's all in what and how strong you become in Christ and how well you study the word of God.

God4moi: Hmm. How come Paul recognised the Authourity of Peter since Jesus was speaking to every believer?

Refer to my previous assertion.

God4moi: True! But why do we need pastors?

Orderliness. just as in a school, we have prefects, class captors and time keepers, they all are students but they are there to keep orders. same with pastors, they are there to keep orders, arrange the "flocks" and also help those whose faith is at the early stages. some members are more vast in the things of God than their fathers, pastors and bishops but they still have to have someone to organize the gathering.

Jesus blessed all his disciples equally but had some of them oversee the rest, not because they have more powers or that they are more "Christianed" than the rest, (infact peter was one of the least of Jesus's disciples when it comes to believe and faith), but because in the house of God and things of God, there must be orderliness.

God4moi: Why do these 'situations' remain if u're truly equal in xtainity?

Are the elders hoiler? Or why didn't he say call somebody or anyxtain?

Some situations need more hands just like you can't push one car yourself so you ask for more hands so as to be able to push the car. this should help you. when your faith is not enough to move some situations, you join it with others.

[quote author=gree-die]you need the holy spirit rnrn( right now right now)

so you are saying dat if Gej gives seun an authority, you automatically have d authority cz you are a nairalander?? Have you heard about ranks, level of spirituality? You should cz penticostals believe in it alot... Daddy is the MOG and G.O, only daddy can bless the handkerchief and lay hands on the sick...

there you go again, interpreting d scriptures according to your ignorance. Smh[/quote]You obviously think God work the same way you humans work? do you think in heaven, there's anything like MOG, POPE, bishop bla bla bla? it all ends here and WE all are going to be judged same way. that day every man is going to be judged accordingly so stop trying to "politicalise" spiritual things.

the bible says " as many that has received Jesus, to them, he's given the power to become sons of God, every true believer is a priest, represent christ on earth and has the SAME power to heal, open doors, close doors, forgive sins. too bad i can't remember the verses but the words are in my heart. i am not the types that go to church to seek for any pastors's blessings when i know i have the SAME RIGHT and ACCESS to God as long as i know the right way which is total submission to the will of God, running away from sins and also asking the right things from him.

You need to read bible on your own and stop waiting for some "popes", fathers or pastors to read for you, do you know why the bible is printed in large quantity? so that everyone can study on their own. (study yourself to be approved and stop following traditions of men).

Let me remind you again, i am not one of those "silly" Christians who say i am "baptist, Anglican, redeemed, (catholic is not even christian so i won't add them there) and the rest. I DON'T BELIEVE IN RELIGION, i believe in CHRIST and his ways of LIFE. my AIM on earth is to be CHRIST-LIKE and make HEAVEN. screw tradition and religion. ANYTHING JESUS didn't do on earth, I WON'T DO either!

Matthais: @chukwudi, paying of tithes is Gods instruction Malachi 3:10 which every bible believer should follow.

i don't believe in it because i no longer live under the law like the jews. Tithe is for the jews who are going to be judged by works in the last day.

jamp: So what is d big deal abt confessing to a priest? U ve said it all. So its not wrong after all

its wrong when only 'ordained priest' are seen as the only one sins should be confessed to.

jamp: If. I can confess to u what is wrong in confessing to a priest?

confess to one another, meaning every true christian is qualified and not only the 'priests'. Secondly, we're all priests in christ and his representatives on earth. So i don't really see why only 'ordained' priest remain the only people catholics confess to.

God4moi: O boy read your bible properly jor. What was the first reference? ' Elders of the church' not just anybody the entire reference of 'one another' still refers to elders. And in the catholic setting that falls under the jurisdiction of the priest, bishops...

As a 'protestant' your elders may be your pastors and deacons and ...

point of correction, i'm a christian and not a protestant or any iesh like that.
John 20 spoke about how Jesus appeared to his disciples and breathed on them, gave all of the present the power to forgive and retain sin just as the way we all have the power to pray, rebuke and command situations to change. Every true christian is Christ's representation on earth and we all have been given the power to be sons of God. We're equal and one in one body. Confess to one another is a command for all true christians.

The leaders, elders you're talking about is not for forgiving sins, rather they're for situations you handled on your own but still remains like sickness, lack and wants. The bible's there bro, read not like a novel, ask the holy spirit for understanding na.

Kenneth457: the priest,bishops,archbishops,cardinals and the pope confess theirs to any priest.i doubt u re not a gud catholic.quote me

Not a catholic n never will i because i've found the light!

intrepid: He confesses to another priest or to his bishop...Let me ask you,have you ever told your evil to any human being-male or female?have you eva gone for councelling where the pastor or whoeva probed you and you gladly divulged everything?

yes i have. Do you know that every christians are priests in God's sight? I mean true christians? Have you read that part in the bible before? Do you know that all true christians arr equal in christ?

[quote author=calculusx]According to James 5:14-16, Catholics confess their sins to a priest because they are ordained and have the grace to forgive or retain your sin which your neighbor may not have.

Priest have the power to absolve you of your sin while a friend or anyone else doesn't have such power. Moreso, priests had vowed to secrecy while you can't trust a friend or your neighbor with your secrets.

@ OP Please don't be confused,if you need more knowledge about confessing your sins,contact any catechist or priest in any parishes closer to you for more knowledge and to the person that ask who do priests confess their sins to? They confess their sins to one another.[/quot

confess your sins to one another, what does that mean?

Was the bible specific on who in the church have the power to forgive or retain sins? If yes, show us.

fixmykey: All pardon for sins ultimately comes from Christ’s finished work on Calvary, but how is this pardon received by individuals? Did Christ leave us any means within the Church to take away sin? The Bible says he gave us two means.

Baptism was given to take away the sin inherited from Adam (original sin) and any sins we personally committed before baptism—sins we personally commit are called actual sins, because they come from our own acts. Thus on the day of Pentecost, Peter told the crowds, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38), and when Paul was baptized he was told, "And now why do you wait? Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name" (Acts 22:16). And so Peter later wrote, "Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ" (1 Pet. 3:21).

For sins committed after baptism, a different sacrament is needed. It has been called penance, confession, and reconciliation, each word emphasizing one of its.aspects. During his life, Christ forgave sins, as in the case of the woman caught in adultery (John 8:1–11) and the woman who anointed his feet (Luke 7:48). He exercised this power in his human capacity as the Messiah or Son of man, telling us, "the Son of man has authority on earth to forgive sins" (Matt. 9:6), which is why the Gospel writer himself explains that God "had given such authority to men" (Matt. 9:.

Since he would not always be with the Church visibly, Christ gave this power to other men so the Church, which is the continuation of his presence throughout time (Matt. 28:20), would be able to offer forgiveness to future generations. He gave his power to the apostles, and it was a power that could be passed on to their successors and agents, since the apostles wouldn’t always be on earth either, but people would still be sinning.

God had sent Jesus to forgive sins, but after his resurrection Jesus told the apostles, "‘As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained’" (John 20:21–23). (This is one of only two times we are told that God breathed on man, the other being in Genesis 2:7, when he made man a living soul. It emphasizes how important the establishment of the sacrament of penance was.)

Now who're the apostles of Jesus? Every born again christians have been given the right to be apostles and sons of God. "forgive one another' is for all christians and not few.

basisop: In Mark 2:5,7,10 Jesus proved that He has authority on Earth to forgive sins.

That same authority was further confirmed to his disciples in Matthew 28:18.(I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth).

He passed the authority down to Peter (which includes forgiveness of sins) in Mathew 16:18,20 (...what you forbid on earth would be forbidden in heaven and what you permit on earth would be permitted in heaven.

If you need more biblical prove, I'm on standby.

These passage was for every believer and not to peter alone, you need the holy spirit asap.

[quote author=A-ZeD]Other priest[/quote]and if i decide not to do that, rather confess it to a trusted church member instead? Are priests the only people in the church the "one another' reffered to?

[quote author=A-ZeD]Yeah that what it means but priest are never to discuss it with anybody but are you sure you can trust mama caro to keep her mouth shut?[/quote]Who does the priest confess his own sins to?

omiobo: Typing In the church? You have no respect for God. May God have mercy on you.

But he's the church and not the building na.

The wedding planner

chukwudi44: James 5:14-16

King James Version (KJV)

14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him.

16 Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

@op

I am sure this passages are explicit enough.The protestants should first remove the log from their eyes before trying to remove the supposed pegs in the RCC.

Adeboye should first stop the practice of compulsory tithing and first fruits obsrved in his church which are contrary to the new order.

Did you check the bolded too? why should it be the priest and not to anyone else?

Dextra: I'm glad you brought up this topic because I've been dying to know if other people do weird things I do too. I go stark naked when I'm at home alone. My clothes suddenly feels so uncomfortable to me and I end up losing them one after the other. I just walk around NAKED feeling so divine, natural and content! Please tell me other people do this too!

I do but not always, only when it's cold.

nekaa: have we met?

Maybe in your thoughts as usual

no dullin: I look @ maself unclad..
Look @ lil Johnny..& c aw he grows 2 GrandPa Johnny..
Then smile @ GrandPa Johnny & say... "I respect U"

Lol!!!

LOL

I also love imagining how it feels like to have boobs

[quote author=lola.luv]My roommates haven't been around, so I've mostly been alone for like a month, when there's nobody visiting. Of course, friends pop in and out all day. When I want to be by myself, I lock myself in the room.

1. A lot of times I curl up with a novel.

2. If I have a new movie, I see it.

3. Sometimes, I lie down and allow my imaginations run riot. Especially if I have a story to write, I imagine things, juggle possible scenarios, conversations and so on.

4. I'm learning some new hip-hop dance steps too, so when I'm alone I sometimes video-record myself dancing my butt off to assess my progress.

5. I listen to 2pac, Cassidy and other hardcore raps.

6. I listen to rnb, right now, it's Trey Songz.


7. I type what is bothering me on my laptop. Sometimes I save it, sometimes I delete.

8. I write.


9. I go online.

Sometimes, I just assess my life in general.[/quote]But how are these weird na? how una take pass self?