Kenplay:
With my personal Experience, Observation and inner conviction, I think I dont want to be part of any religion again. This thing is truely an opium of illusion meant for people who cant take their destiny in their hands and for a sheeple masses.

Despite withdrawing from religion I found myself even having a better moral compass which I cant explain. We are throwing away common sense, hardwork and universal principles to leave in illusion. At the end of my observation I have come to the conclusion that its what you do for yourself that counts more.

When I see poor people dying of hungry in a country which have the capacity to be the global industrial hub I know we have throw away common sense, Nigeria biggest investment to South Africa is Religious buildings (Church) while here in Nigeria the South Africans brought us MTN, DSTV, SHOP RITE e.t.c which employs thousands of people and gives profit to our Investors inventing in the stocks and shares of those companies I realise religion is lack of common sense.

No amount of religion can make you succesful without application of common sense.
No amount of religion can make your marriage succesful without application of common sense and consideration for your partner.
No amount of religion can a nation grow and prosper without application of common sense, productivity and good policies.

At the end of it I think am leaving religion, its not worth it. Even uprightness and moral comes from a person inner conviction and not because of religion.
Lalasticlala
Myndd44

OP, you didn't come out clear.

Using the word religion is quite wide. Be specific on what you are refering to. Or have you been practicing worldwide religion, everywhere you go things?

I am sure your experience is related to a particular group of people, so state it clearly. Are you refering to Christianity or anything else?

Finallydead:

First off, you haven't answered my question. Is it a yes or no?
Second it matters much what I've done in Eph4:6. Cause he called it one faith and one baptism in the same text. But it doesn't take away the fact that faith unfolds in degrees (Rom1:17) as well as the baptism. Hence you must acknowledge that Eph4:6 doesn't take away from Heb6:4 before we proceed. You can also see this degrees of baptism in Ezk47.

Read Rom 1-3 well. There is nothing as faith and another faith. Same faith from old to new. That is exactly what he is saying. No difference. Infact it is saying the opposite of what you are saying.

It will simply translate that the faith preached in OT is same. Nothing different. Faith in Christ. Check all verses that reference Hab 2:4. They all mean the same. Same faith in from Genesis to Revelation. Same gospel to Adam to us. God's word didn't change according to faith. But as I said baptism is what I want to focus on here else we will change the whole topic.

So, I want you to state for me the different baptisms require of believers.

As per your question. Surely Jesus is our example.

Maximus69:


Hmmmmmmmm,

Only hoopernikao has become a JW, all because he's trying to stand out for his firm conviction about God and his words!

I just hope hoopernikao soon realize that the one and only organization defending God's word zealously is JW!

How Sir? Trying to understand that.

Finallydead:

Do you know that he says one faith also in the same verse yet the righteousness of God is only revealed from faith to faith(Rom1:17). It's not two faiths but it's the degrees through which we come into the fullness of one faith.
So also it's the degrees in which we come into the fullness of the baptism.
Read my modified post. I have touched on the Holy Spirit baptism.

Before we can get into the degrees, you have to acknowledge that Paul mentions "baptisms" not baptism in Heb6:4.

Also I would ask if you know that the Lord Jesus is the pattern of our Christian life? yes or no?

You can't explain scriptures in isolation

Ephesians 4

3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

How many body do we have?
How many Spirit? Lord? God? Father?

You don't isolate scriptures, you must interpret as a whole. From faith to faith never implies different faith or more than one. It simply means it is all faith from first to last. Hence "the just can only be by faith" that is both in old and new.

But let's leave this. Not the issue here.

I need to know how you find different baptisms for believers or levels of baptisms in the bible.

GRIMMJOE:
Of knowledge is what kills people, do you think any body will be dead.

use your cognitive.

I don't understand the above. Make it clearer.

But I maintain, people die because of lack of knowledge. Note I also didn't say EVERY PERSON that die, die because of knowledge.

So let me understand what you are saying.

GRIMMJOE:
bros, I can use the Bible to justify rape, does that makes it right, no.

Hope you understand, I believe it's simple.

The way I see you sef you can use constitution of all countries to justify rape. You will likely be the judge and the jury

On a serious note.

Using a book to justify wrong doesn't mean you are reading or interpreting the true intent of the book.

There is an intent in every writing, that intent is what should be discovered not your own interpretation. When you decide to leave the intent and essence of a writing or author you will fall in error or be a false fellow.

There is difference between twisting a scripture to justify an action and staying true to the original meaning and intent of the writing.

Lawyers uses constitution to defend their client who can even be a notorious person. Yet they will find a way to misinterpret and explore the constitution to justify wrong actions.

So your interpretation is not what matters but the intent of the author. When your interpretation align with the intent of the author, that is when you just started bible study.

petra1:


I get your point . Maybe I used wrong term . I should have probably said . “To receive infilling “

Acts 19:1-2
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples, 2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Salvation Sir. That is what is referred to in Acts 19. Receiving the holyghost is salvation.

They weren't saved. The lack of the holyghost in them was obvious to Paul. They only know about the preaching of John (baptism of repentance). They have never heard Jesus preached nor anything about the spirit. Hence, salvation through faith in Christ wasn't known to them.

Paul handled then the same way he will handle all unbelievers. Just like Philip and the Eunuch. They do have zeal even to know but hasn't been taught salvation in Christ.

GRIMMJOE:
People die because of lack of knowledge, shame of you.

Thank you. So any issue with the above, that people can die because of lack of knowledge?

GRIMMJOE:
How many times will i tell you, your book of illusion can be used to justify anything, even rape, by the way didn't you say you don't know why your Jehovah let a 5years old girl get raped.

And that's because it doesn't exist.

Calm down, stop twisting words. This doesn't fits you. Check yourself head to toe. You are bigger than doing such.

Get stable in what you say. You are moving in circles. It's an attitude of someone who has nothing to say but I know you have maybe hard for you to say. Always know how to present truth truthfully. There is difference between, me, God, bible. But you are raising uncoordinated accusations to all. Who exactly are you refering to, always be distinct.

Show me where the bible have issues, asking you 20th times likely.

Is it a hard thing ni.

GRIMMJOE:
Due to this pandemic I've been more active online, when things goes back to normal I'll be occupied, I'm trying really hard to achieve my dreams, I do my best, and for the rest, I do them too, I don't have time for drinking, womanizing, clubbing and all that stuff, imagine my surprise when a chronic womanizer and a shameless lair is telling me how to live my life.

Well, what can I say, just another day on planet earth.

GRIMMJOE, there is no applause in all you listed above. Nothing peculiar and non move my opinion about you. Even if you are the emblem of morality or the poster boy of immoralities. it doesn't change any of my opinion about you.

What matters to me is what informed your knowledge. What drives those actions. The influence. This is all that matters.

And more importantly, what drives your opinion about the bible and its teachings.

GRIMMJOE:
It's funny at times, but its also disappointing too, knowing people are dying because of things like this, indoctrine.

People die because of many things in life most especially lack of knowledge. Just like you are also handling and treating bible now, blaming God and bible for everything is a false knowledge on its own and this informed your actions which can lead you into many things. Yet claiming it's the bible that misled after failing in such.

Stay with bible narrative. The reason I have been asking for your own knowledge of the bible.

People do things and claim it's bible or indoctrination yet have no clue of what the bible truly stands for. And the sad part is looking at your conduct of liking to judge people afar off you will always conclude that bible misled people without you yourself knowing or checking what exactly the bible teaches.

Don't you think you aren't truthful and fair in your judgement? The whole of what you hold today against God and bible is what you see around or what you were told. Have you taken time to check yourself if these things are true, if this is how it was truly taught in the bible?

This is what I am ready to do with you here. At least you should either confirm your opinion or reject it after honest and open study. But you aren't allowing that. I know you believe in fairness but is this action fair? To conclude without knowing?

GRIMMJOE:
He's fellow JW brother hoopernikao has alienated him.

I don't understand what this means.
But also let's face our facts.

You haven't still showed me anything o. I love truly counting on you to show me what the bible teaches wrong or how bible portrayed God wrong and contradictory. You are only moving us in circles.

Finallydead:

Naah. Mixing things up. There are different baptisms.
Baptism of the Holy Ghost is the second in order.
Baptism is taught as one in Eph4:6 because it is ultimately one but is administered in degrees hence in Heb6:2 "doctrine of Baptisms".

Okay so can you explain the baptisms. I will need clear explanation between the baptisms you mentioned.

Also, saying Ephes 4 mentioning ONE baptism is refering to ultimate isn't true.

There is a sequence in the verses

So is it also many Lords,many God's, many of the Faith etc? Also many Spirit in Christ?

One simply means one in all the context.

petra1:


Maybe I didn’t express it well.

We Saved by the Holy Spirit. But it’s possible to be saved and not be filled with power and gifts . When a man received the in filling of the same Holy Spirit that when ability and enduement comes . As you said there is only one Holy Spirit but two exoeriences

Ability and endowment comes the very day you receive the holyghost and that is at salvation. You can't separate the spirit from the spirit ability. You can't have the spirit and lack it's ability. Most of the time what is lacking is knowledge. The day you come to know you have it doesn't have to be the day you received it. It is there all along.

Endowment is what you are born with not what you acquire. At new birth you received the spirit and then endowment of the spirit. Functioning in it will be a knowledge fact.

Also "be filled" with the spirit is not refering to receievinh something but being control by what you have received. It means to be controlled with.
In Ephes 5 Paul use a contrast. Drunk with wine, filled with the spirit.

18 And do not ye be drunk of wine, in which is lechery [in which is luxury], but be ye filled with the Holy Ghost;

Drunk and filled are contrast saying the same thing. Do no be taken over or control with wine but will the spirit.

Being filled with the spirit will mean activities of the spirit, it's operations among us.

Hence Vs 19 shows you how to be filled.

19 and speaking ye to yourselves in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and saying psalm in your hearts to the Lord; [speaking to yourselves in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and saying psalm in your heart to the Lord;]


Verse 19 listed out how. These are activities of the spirit. You must read 17-19 together to understand this .

18 And do not ye be drunk of wine, in which is lechery [in which is luxury], but be ye filled with the Holy Ghost;

19 BY speaking ye to yourselves in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and saying psalm in your hearts to the Lord; [speaking to yourselves in psalms, and hymns, and spiritual songs, singing and saying psalm in your heart to the Lord;]

the word AND will mean BY pointing to how to be filled. Always read the letters in context.

Same thing you will read in Acts 4. They were filled and then spoke with boldness. That is to function in ability you already have.

Dtruthspeaker:


I never ever said 2 Baptism (or is Baptisms?).

1) I said "Baptism refers to the Washing of Your Body and Soul, That is A Bath to wash all your dirts (Sins and Offences) Away.

And,

2) The Pouring and Receiving of the Holy Spirit can be likened to the Rubbing of an Ointment (which you can not do to yourself), A Holy Ointment on Both Your Body and Soul, As well as the "Clothing" of Your Body and Soul.

One is Bathe and bathe very well both bodily and Especially Spiritually.

Two, is Pray that your bathing is Acceptable to and Accepted by the Lord, if not, you'll need to do it again, until the Lord Accepts You.

Jesus requires no bathe or cleaning from an unbeliever to be saved Sir. No matter how he washed even with white soap he cant be cleaned except by the blood of Jesus.

A man don't clean himself to come to Jesus, no single scriptures for that. A man must repent, change his heart and receive the life of Christ, that is how he is washed.

I say again, no man can wash himself clean expect the blood of Jesus. A man is to come with trust that all his sins no matter how big can be taken care of by the blood, that is repentance and it's driving by faith.

" I am a sinner and I now know and receive truly there is a savior to deliver me and clean me, I have no ability of mine to do so, hence I come to you trusting in your blood to make me whole".

That is salvation. No personal stuff.

If I can take care of my sins before coming to Jesus what sin then will Jesus washes away. Hence a sinner will come to him with all he is and trust and accept him as the only sacrifice to wash and take away sins. Anything outside these is not salvation.

Dtruthspeaker:


Okay, lets go this way. It is Settled that "The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit". What does a "broken spirit" mean in this statement? Does it not mean Remorse, Regret and A Quest to Seek Forgiveness for the doing of a Wrong (that you now know is wrong)? Isn't that what is known as True Repentance, which Always brings about a Broken spirit?

Therefore, by the Law Stated Above here, where there is a broken spirit, the Lord would accept.

Why would the Lord accept it? Because it fulfills another Law which States that "Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? or who shall stand in his holy place?

4 He that hath clean hands, and a pure heart; who hath not lifted up his soul unto vanity, nor sworn deceitfully.

5 He shall receive the blessing from the Lord, and righteousness from the God of his salvation." Psalm 24:3-5. And Also Psalm 4:5- "Offer the sacrifices of Righteousness (Rightness in today's speech).

Therefore, by the Law in Romans 12:1, the Lord would Accept "a living sacrifice, Holy, Acceptable unto Him", and if the Lord accepts this sacrifice of Contrition, have You, who did All these things, Not Offered a Holy and Acceptable Offering?

These are the Laws and therefore this is my Stand

It seems you are mixing things up.

I don't have issues with what you wrote above.
Why I asked questions is because you called the above a "baptism". Let me quote you again and

Baptism refers to the Washing of Your Body and Soul, That is A Bath to wash all your dirts (Sins and Offences) Away.

In other words the Holy Spirit Only Comes After a Pure And Acceptable Baptism, which itself Also Only Comes After A Pure And Truthful Repentance and in that Order

So, refering repentance to acceptable baptism is a big issue. Firstly, that can't be called baptism and was never called baptism in the bible.

Baptism is taught in Epistles as one. Hence the baptism of the holyghost. This is also what you received at salvation. It is not what happened afterwards. A man who received salvation must have done so with a repentance heart i.e. a change of heart. Hence no man with salvation lacks the baptism of the holyghost. Any other visible or spectacular act you see afterwards are only signs. The receiving of the Spirit itself is supernatural and don't have to be spectacular. And that is done at salvation.

achorladey:


That post was meant to address this part of Maximus69 post when he said......

Do you notice how all of them are getting along, even when GRIMMJOE keeps disputing the existence of God?

Okay. Thanks.

Maximus69:


Do you notice how all of them are getting along, even when GRIMMJOE keeps disputing the existence of God?

That's why we are fittingly called JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES

None of them can stand up to defend God's word, isn't it now clear enough that they are all on the same page?

Who are the "all of them" then Sir. Because as far as I can see only 5 persons is discussing currently with GRIMMJOE. One is your colleague, one has different view, Rozz, you and I. So who are the "all of them". Always be clear.

Also make clear the "getting along" too. Dont do behind the door whispering to Rozz in other to sell your views.

achorladey:


What has Hoopernikao being doing in his discussion with GRIMMJOE?

Is this your first time of coming across GRIMMJOE?

You seek glory bask in your glory. When GRIMMJOE is done playing with your MIND and HEAD and the THREAD gets to 50. This thread will veer into another DIRECTION. Be patient you will get to see it.

I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain more. Any issue with GRIMMJOE?

Dtruthspeaker:


Is it not written- 4 "There is One body, and One Spirit, even as ye are called in One hope of your calling;

5 One Lord, One faith, One baptism,

6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Everything is One, even the experiences you claim, are all One.

But I'll drop it!

Also here you agreed to ONE baptism. And according to your former explanation you mentioned two:
1. Acceptable baptism: for washing of sin and body of sins.

2. Holyghost baptism: for the holyghost to be received.

Going by Ephesian you quoted, which one is actually the one baptism.

Dtruthspeaker:


Ok. I did not say "Holy Spirit is not responsible for the cleaning of man's sin" neither do I say that "the Holy Spirit is Responsible".

So therefore, who is responsible? By the Authorities of Simon vs Peter in Acts I cited above, Paul in the Corinthians I cited and Psalms 51:17, Luke 7: 37/38, it is you, the offender or offendor or the sinner who does the cleaning of yourself, for yourself!

If I get you well, the sinner will have to clean himself, perform what you called acceptable baptism, wash himself off sin and offences then the holyghost can come and baptise him. Right?

I have also checked the text you gave

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise

I can't see a cleaning of sin here by the sinner nor do I see his immersion for acceptable cleaning of his body and sins. You may need to expatiate.


Secondly and more importantly,
How does the person cleans himself from his sin and does acceptable baptism by himself since the holyghost is not responsible.

Dannyfan:
Ok, I got some point here, that he might have received/had the spirit but not speaking tongue because he was chosen.
Now lemme do it like this;
what's the essence of baptizm of the holy spirit when you're already performing healing, deliverance etc?

I hardly do this, short answer things. but let me try it

Baptism of the holyghost is not speaking in tongues. Speaking in tongues is one of the evidence (visible) of baptism of the holyghost. When a man doesn't speak in tongues, it doesn't mean he is not baptised by the holyghost. He has been given the spirit, that is the seal, the prove of his salvation.

You cannot see or explain holyghost baptism beyond salvation. And that is not baptism by water immersion. A man is immersed in Christ, identified with his death and life at salvation. This is the work of the holyghost.

The moment you start to see baptism of the holyghost beyond receiving salvation, you are either not reading well or being driven by the spectacular to miss the supernatural.

Dtruthspeaker:


First, it should be appreciated that, No One Brings Upon Themselves the Holy Spirit and No One can do so.

The Holy Spirit Comes of Its Own Will on a Chosen Person and Not Any person Taking UP the Holy Spirit as though It were a Cloth that can be taken up.

This is what informed my own opinion and it is supported by several scriptures Acts 10:2 and 44-48. Acts 8:12-17 Simon here too, was baptized like the rest but he did not receive the Holy Spirit. Why? Verse 21-23 gives us the answer.

It is easily possible to be baptized but one shall never have the Holy Spirit. Why? As Paul put it in Romans 2:28/29 "... and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter (or form).

Which I followed in saying that Baptism is not outwardly in the water as circumcision is not in the flesh but "but baptism in the heart and in the spirit."

Likely you didn't get my question well as it seems you aren't answering it. Let me state it again.

This is based on your first post that the holy spirit comes after am acceptable baptism. That is the cleaning of one's sins according to your word.

So, I asked, since the Holy is not responsible for the cleaning of man's sin or acceptable baptism, who does the baptism, who is responsible to cleaning (baptism) a sinner from his sin. That is the question.

That is what I desire to know.

First, I study no Theology, I Only Love The Lord and I therefore Study His Ways, Which in Goodness, He Has Revealed!

For the Lord Himself, spoke in Clear Precise Language and not Once do we hear a strange speech in all of His Teachings.

The Lord Himself showed us by Clear Examples, Physical Things Explaining the Spiritual Things He Taught, Always. And not once is there any Spiritual Thing which can not be explained by a physical Replica. E.g "The Kingdom of God can be Likened to .. " or "Which one of you..."

Thus, while the meaning of Tongues in the physical Clearly and undisputably means Languages, Native Dialect and means of communication from one person to another, No Supporter of the idea of Ble-bleble is able to ground or justify their spiritual concept of Speaking in Tongues, Physically, for Perfect Understanding Purposes. No, not One.

And this is an Anomaly I see, which is not found anywhere in the Teachings that Christ Taught us.

Therefore, those who came up with this Ble-bleble, ought to Convincingly Prove what they say.

I may have to correct the bold. Every bible study and every bible student has a theology. Theology means study of God and by extension his work and ways.

So, saying theology isn't a bad word. It is what we do daily. Saying you should study your theology of a topic simply means you study your that concept as related to God's knowledge.

I won't go in the direction of tongues as that isn't necessary here. There are detailed work and discussions on Nairaland that can give you critical view of what you wrote and hold concerning that. But like I said, try check again your theology of such concept very well.

GRIMMJOE:
I see what you're trying to do, changing the topic.

We are all born sinners i s that not a believe you hold on to.

Changing topic that you already changed by yourself? You are truly a funny fellow.

GRIMMJOE:
At least you're calling a demon, so not bad I've had worst forced on me.

This isn't related to what I said. Stay on point.

GRIMMJOE:
We not all born sinner according to you believe, or JW is different.

This isn't an apology. I need your apology that is honesty.

I didn't say what you said I said and it's a false accusations. So apologize.

GRIMMJOE:
I'm not an Atheist, no you must be an Atheist, in fact you are one (Maximus69)

I'm not influence, lies you're influence, a born sinner (hoopernikao)

What's next ask me if I do drugs, then denial my answer and be like you do drugs you just don't know it.

Do you see the bold? You subtly inserted that so that you can twist my narrative. Point me to where I said such. It is not proper when you give false accusations or account of people especially when it's deliberate.

You can't live on twisting people's words and expressions, it won't help you. This is the reason you can't present your point because they are based on twist.

I hope you will apologize for this. And I truly mean it.

GRIMMJOE:
The influence that you've forced on my head.

Force ké. Like you only know about force and fighting. Influence aren't forced, you are exposed to influence and you will be influenced as you open your mind.

Dtruthspeaker:


Baptism refers to the Washing of Your Body and Soul, That is A Bath to wash all your dirts (Sins and Offences) Away.

The Pouring and Receiving of the Holy Spirit can be likened to the Rubbing of an Ointment (which you can not do to yourself), A Holy Ointment on Both Your Body and Soul, As well as the "Clothing" of Your Body and Soul.

In other words the Holy Spirit Only Comes After a Pure And Acceptable Baptism, which itself Also Only Comes After A Pure And Truthful Repentance and in that Order

Also, do not be Misled and Deceived, Speaking in Tongues, in Bible Always refered to Speaking in Languages (English, Igbo, Swahili etc).

By the Bible Definition, Tongues Always Means Languages, not the ble-bleble! as in Translyvania Cartoon or singing Bonethugs N Harmony songs!

Also why are you interested in performing healings? Is it your desire to play God? Remember, God Always Sees and Knows Your Thoughts, Even Before they become yours!

And if your thoughts are not Pure And True and Good, the Holy Spirit Will Never Come Neither would your Baptism be Pure nor your Repentance Acceptable!

They All Work Together as A Single Unit!

Based on the bold above.
If the Holy Spirit only comes after a pure and acceptable baptism.

Who then do the acceptable baptism. I mean who and how do you receive your acceptable baptism without the holyghost. I will appreciate if you layout scriptures when responding.


Secondly, you may need to check your theology about tongues ones again with a lot of proper and critical view.

GRIMMJOE:
As in, you want me to become like maximus, a shameless lair, I refuse.

By the way you already answered, short time memory loss.

You aren't becoming anyone, you are discovering yourself. You are finding out exactly who you are.

You can't become me or any other person. But there is a you in you that has been dissolved under an influence. That is what you need to see.

GRIMMJOE:
I'm not really one to be easily influenced, or believe people with gray hair are automatically smart, or see people celebrate a festive period and want to get involved.

Like I said, I was born before my time.

And you should ask your self what kind of members do you have, phone, line and sinker.

You see, listen to this well and I mean well.

All that you wrote up there are in themselves product of influence. It is obvious you don't understand what influences are. You think it's about sitting you down?

From the point of what you wear, how you speak, how you think, even the phone you use in typing all the errors above etc, they all stem from influence. You saw it somewhere, heard it somewhere, read it somewhere etc. Infact saying you aren't influenced or hardly get influenced is influence itself. You heard it somewhere, believe and hold it. Don't be deceived sir. Every man is a product of influence but the one who is influenced and never knew he is, is the one that speaks as you wrote above: "I am hardly influenced". When you speak like this, know that your influence already gotten you to where exactly it want you to be: a position of lack of knowledge of its influence. A very bad position.

So it seems I have a lot of work to do on you o.
That you don't even know you are influenced, how will you now know when you are influenced badly. This is a big case.

GRIMMJOE:
Let get this page to 50 and be over with, come defend your illusion.

hoopernikao
Maximus

I am here for. I will be here deliberately for you till you give me reasons not to.

So, I await your points which you have been afraid of giving since. I await your points that informed your decision about the bible. I have been waiting for 36 hours. You have non. What more can be illusion than speaking all-day on what you know nothing about.


But as it stands now, you have displayed that know nothing about the scriptures but stay on hill top shouting it is illusion, it is contradictory, it is false. Don't you think, if we are speaking face to face by now people would have deserted you as one who is incoherent. It is only proper for you now to sit down and start learning how to speak and acts properly during discussion. At least that will present your smarter than your current state.